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Demand Efficiency

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The show where we unpack the methods and tactics used to reduce CAC by the most efficient and fastest growing companies in tech. In each episode your host, Eli Rubel, founder of Matter Made, will evaluate how the best companies in the industry are driving down their cost to acquire while still achieving remarkable growth.

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Episodes

Lacework Director of Digital Marketing on Orchestrating and Implementing High-Quality Lead-Opportunity Handoffs to Drive Efficiency and Growth.

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Simon Chuang, Director of Digital Marketing at Lacework, he talks about orchestrating and implementing high-quality lead-opportunity handoffs to drive efficiency and growth. Today, you’ll hear about Lacework’s process and execution, their lead opportunity quality feedback loop, how they systematize data collection further down the funnel, the things that Simon would’ve done differently a year ago, and the exciting next frontier. Prior to joining Lacework...

Jun 29, 202319 minSeason 1Ep. 13

Metadata Head of Brand and Product Marketing on Use-Case and Persona Specific Sequences

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Mark Huber, Head of Brand and Product Marketing at Metadata, he talks about use-case and persona-specific sequences. Today, you’ll hear about moving from generic to persona-specific sequences, how the results have changed over time, an exciting future development for Metadata, and an important lesson that Mark has learned. Prior to joining Metadata, Mark served as Senior Manager of Marketing Operations at Uptake and Director of Demand Generation at Fast ...

Jun 05, 202319 minSeason 1Ep. 12

Gated CEO on creating seamless on-boarding experiences

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Andy Mowat, Co-Founder of Gated, he talks about Gated’s demand efficiency levers. Today, you’ll hear about his approach to demand efficiency, the custom Chrome extension that they built, focusing on all the surfaces and experiences, and driving creativity. Prior to founding Gated, Andy served as the VP of GTM Operations and Growth Marketing at Culture Amp, the Senior Director of Customer Success Operations at Box, the VP of Business Operations at Upwork,...

May 22, 202311 min

Dan Frohnen on channel mix, tracking, and structuring teams for success

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Dan Frohnen, CMO at PicnicHealth, talks about Channel Mix. Today, you’ll hear about PicnicHealth’s channel mix, Dan’s approach to channel diversification, choosing when to invest in new channels, keeping teams organized and productive, and the most common pitfalls. Prior to joining PicnicHealth, Dan served in numerous roles, including as the CMO of UpKeep, the CMO of Sendoso, the Executive VP of Marketing at Skedulo, and as VP of Global Demand Gen and Sa...

May 15, 202317 min

6Sense CMO and GTM Champion Uses Flawless ABM and Lead Management Programs to Drive ROI

In this conversation with Latané Conant, CMO at 6sense, she talks about doing account-based marketing right. Today, you’ll hear about making demand centers more efficient, team structures at 6sense, ensuring an accurate source of truth, Latané’s most-used platforms, and the importance of saying ‘no’. As CMO of 6sense, Latané is passionate about empowering marketing leaders with effective technology, predictive insights, and thought leadership so they can confidently lead their teams, company, an...

Apr 24, 202318 minSeason 1Ep. 9

Checkr VP of Marketing Uses Experimentation and Hypothesis-Driven Testing to Benchmark Regularly and Drive Demand Efficiency

Podcast In this conversation with Prachi Gore, VP of Marketing at Checkr, Inc, she talks about marketing and experimentation. Today, you’ll hear about Checkr’s lifecycle marketing, experimentation, how Checkr is set up for success, knowledge sharing, and some exciting areas of opportunity for the year ahead. Prachi Gore is an accomplished marketing leader with over 15 years of experience in marketing and consulting. Prior to joining Checkr, Prachi served as the VP of Marketing at SmartRecruiters...

Feb 21, 202316 minSeason 1Ep. 8

Mutiny Head of Marketing Uses Revenue Orchestration To Transform Buyer Signals Into Buying Decisions

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Ryan Narod, Head of Marketing at Mutiny, he talks about revenue orchestration. Today, you’ll hear about the strategies and tactics Ryan has used, orchestrating team structures, keeping the teams in sync, running regular experiments, approaching measurement, and what Ryan would’ve done differently. Prior to joining Mutiny, Ryan has served in numerous marketing roles, including as the Product Marketing Manager at Google, and Head of Marketing at Radar, as ...

Feb 14, 202321 minSeason 1Ep. 7

UserGems Director of Demand Generation Leverages Universal Messaging Frameworks To Drive Demand To The Entire Buying Committee

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Isaac Ware, Director of Demand Generation at UserGems, he talks about messaging. Today, you’ll hear about how UserGems prioritizes messaging, the transition into data-driven messaging, testing the evolution of their messaging, and Isaac’s three most essential pieces of tech. Prior to joining UserGems, Isaac served in roles, including as the Director of Paid Media at Bear Fox Marketing. Isaac holds a Bachelor of Business Administration with a minor in Mar...

Feb 07, 202324 minSeason 1Ep. 6

Superhuman Head Of Marketing Explains Why Customer Focus Plays Integral Role In Marketing

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Seiyonne Suriyakumar, Head of Marketing at Superhuman, he talks about customer focus and growth. Today, you’ll hear about how Superhuman has operationalized customer focus, shifting to remote-first, their growth mechanisms, and the common things that traditional B2B’s get wrong with customer focus. Prior to joining Superhuman, Seiyonne served as COO at Mobitor Corp., SM of Product Marketing at HelloSign, Director of Product Marketing at Dropbox, and as L...

Jan 31, 202322 minSeason 1Ep. 5

Former CMO of SalesLoft and Seasoned Industry Advisor Details The Sophisticated Ad Programs That Drive Demand Efficiency

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Sydney Sloan, Executive-in-Residence at Scale Venture Partners, she talks about ad program sophistication. Today, you’ll hear about stage-appropriate sophistication, leveraging technology and tools, some of the most common timing mistakes, and the impacts of reaching certain levels of sophistication. Prior to Scale Venture Partners, Sydney’s experience includes as a marketing services event specialist at Nestle SSA, Director of Strategic Customer Marketi...

Jan 24, 202323 minSeason 1Ep. 4

Webflow CMO Aligns Massive Marketing And Sales Teams To Drive Full-Funnel Performance

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Shane Murphy-Reuter, CMO at Webflow, he talks about sales and marketing alignment. Today, you’ll hear about how Shane drives sales and marketing alignment, their campaign briefings, the importance of obsessing over little details, and the demand efficiency survey. Shane also serves as advisor for Motion (Creative Analytics), Limited Partner at Stage 2 Capital, and Advisor at Sendoso. His previous roles include Head of Online Marketing at Paddy Power Betf...

Jan 17, 202329 minSeason 1Ep. 3

Box CMO Uses Sales Enablement and Flawless Nurture Programs As The Levers To Reduce Cost To Acquire

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Chris Koehler, CMO at Box, he talks about the sales and nurture programs at Box. Today, you’ll hear about Chris’s early priorities, how the teams at Box have been organized, applying Box’s learnings at product-led organizations, and how Chris stack ranks all the pieces within nurture. Prior to joining Box, Chris served as the VP of Analytics at SunTrust Banks, Head of GTM and Product Marketing of Creative Cloud for Enterprise at Adobe, as a Board Member ...

Jan 10, 202320 minSeason 1Ep. 1

Unpacking Demand Efficiency: The North Star Metric to Reduce CAC

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Eli Rubel, CEO at Matter Made, he talks about the rebranding of the Best in Saas Podcast to Demand Efficiency. Today, you’ll hear about the podcast’s new direction and focus. With over 15 years of marketing experience, Eli has served as a marketing advisor for companies like Dropbox, Hopin, G2, Calm for Business, Loom, and Productboard. Many other companies rely on Matter Made to smash their yearly growth targets through best-in-class Go-To-Market progra...

Dec 29, 20229 minSeason 1Ep. 1

Matt Young, CEO of UserVoice on the aha moments of the customer journey to solve pain points

In this conversation with Matt Young, CEO at UserVoice, he talks about retention and product. Today, you’ll hear about finding the a-ha moment, the customer journey, Matt’s top of mind thoughts around retention and product, the greater noise-to-signal in the industry today, the main problems Matt sees in companies doing user research, when and how to re-evaluate and recalibrate your value proposition, and the future of UserVoice. As a leader in SaaS, product management, and product management, M...

Apr 27, 202218 minSeason 3Ep. 21

The emergence of Chief Growth Officers with Will Hicklen of EasyWorkforce

In this conversation with Will Hicklen, Chief Growth Officer of EasyWorkForce, he talks about growth. Today, you’ll hear about the evolving Chief Growth Officer role, Will’s key principles, things that get Will excited about EasyWorkForce, emerging people marketplaces, and the ways that Will keeps himself sane and energized. Will is a strategic growth specialist, a performance-driven innovator, HR tech expert, leader, and coach. Will holds a BA in Economics from Miami University. Episode Outline...

Apr 13, 202220 minSeason 3Ep. 20

Andrew Hahn breaks down some of the most common misconceptions in scaling high-performing sales orgs

In this conversation with Andrew Hahn, Advisor at Savor Lining, he talks about growth, marketing, and sales. Hear about Andrew’s thoughts on the marriage of sales and marketing, his sales methodology, the most common cracks in sales, and failures that lead to growth. Episode Outline [01:03] Introducing Andrew [03:50] MQL’s are bullsh*t [05:40] Andrew’s sales methodology [08:10] Cracks in sales [11:19] “People don’t buy from people they like” [14:54] A failure that led to a moment of great growth...

Mar 16, 202222 minSeason 3Ep. 19

Kevin Marasco, CMO of Zenefits on the applications and automation of PLG

In this conversation with Kevin Marasco, CMO at Zenefits, he talks about growth and marketing. Hear about Zenefits’ pivot into a PLG motion, demand gen and organic channels, how Kevin shows up as his best self, and building a culture of experimentation. Episode Outline [01:39] The Zenefits journey [05:19] The opportunity for a PLG motion [09:29] Demand gen practices [11:57] The shift to organic [15:21] Experimentation [16:46] What Kevin does to stay fresh [20:12] Kevin’s motivational people Conn...

Mar 02, 202223 minSeason 3Ep. 18

Rashmi Gopinath, General Partner at B Capital Group on the current market and the rapid acceleration of digital marketing

In this conversation with Rashmi Gopinath, General Partner at B Capital Group, she talks about enterprise software trends and industry benchmarks. Hear about some of the metrics that are dipping, the companies that are transitioning from traditional sales to a sales-assist motion, and how Rashmi keeps herself engaged in the industry. Episode Outline [00:36] B Capital Group [03:01] Surprises in the last 12 months [06:09] New low metrics [11:12] Traditional enterprises trying to be a PLG [13:02] T...

Feb 16, 202219 minSeason 3Ep. 17

Box CMO, Chris Koehler, on generalists vs specialists, and the transition to hybrid marketing

Episode Outline [01:26] Chris’s background [03:23] Thinking through customer journey [05:19] Chris’s tactical tool chest [07:35] What’s happening to events? [12:32] Shifting to sales-assist and PLG [15:56] Chris’s influential people [18:45] How does Chris keep his head clear? Connect with Chris LinkedIn Website Connect with Matter Made Website LinkedIn (Matter Made) LinkedIn (Elias Rubel, CEO, Matter Made)...

Dec 02, 202121 minSeason 3Ep. 16

Chris Byers on using M&A as a strategic lever for growth

Episode Outline [01:26] About Formstack [02:17] The first M&A [04:33] Four more times [07:14] Venture funding [11:00] Chris’s lessons learned [12:31] Chris’s influential people Connect with Chris LinkedIn Website

Nov 17, 202114 minSeason 3Ep. 15

Naman Khan, CMO of Zeplin, on his approach to building and scaling marketing orgs from the ground up

Episode Outline [01:36] Naman’s background [04:53] Interesting use cases of Zeplin [07:11] Communicating Zeplin’s value [10:57] Building early revenue teams [15:54] Some unexpected challenges [18:16] Naman’s influential people [23:48] What does Naman do for fun? Naman’s Inspirations Yamini Rangan Sara Varni Connect with Naman LinkedIn Twitter Website...

Oct 19, 202126 minSeason 3Ep. 14

Rich Taylor, VP of Operations and COS at Qualio, on approaching conversations, measuring success, and the fundamentals

Episode Outline [01:21] Rich’s background [03:35] Lessons and strategies [05:34] Approaching conversations and measuring success [08:54] Grain [11:44] Testing and hiring [12:46] Interesting and new things that Rich wants to tinker with [16:53] Know your fundamentals [21:21] Rich’s influential people Rich’s Inspirations Jeff Wiss Zack Urlocker Rich’s brothers Connect with Rich LinkedIn Website...

Oct 04, 202123 minSeason 3Ep. 16

Former VP of Growth at Drift and Advisor to many, Guillaume “G” Cabane, on the mashup between Economic Market Dynamics and low-cost CAC strategies

Episode Outline [01:09] G’s background [01:36] Mashup between Economic Market Dynamics and low-cost CAC strategies [07:00] G’s favorite examples of growth hacking [14:26] What questions should listeners ask themselves? [15:36] How does G stay sharp? [20:42] G’s influential people G’s Inspirations Brian Balfour Andrew Chen Darius Contractor Elena Verna Resources KeyBanc Capital SaaS Performance Survey (PDF) Connect with G LinkedIn Twitter Website...

Sep 15, 202122 minSeason 7Ep. 7

Shane Murphy-Reuter, CMO of ZoomInfo, on the importance of setting your brand vision and the ‘Miley Moment’

Episode Outline [01:42] The shift from single-market to multi-market [04:36] The Miley moment [10:50] Setting a brand vision well into the future [13:10] What keeps Shane up at night? [17:20] Shane’s inspiring people [18:59] How does Shane stay balanced? Shane’s Inspirations Mark Watts Jones Karen Peacock Scott Gifis Suresh Khanna Connect with Shane LinkedIn Website...

Aug 16, 202120 minSeason 3Ep. 11

Paramita Bhattacharya, CMO of Blurb, shares on leadership and lessons learned along the way

Podcast Summary In this conversation with Paramita Bhattacharya, CMO of Blurb, she talks about her career roles at various organisations, being named one of the Top 40 Women Leaders in SaaS, and how she keeps herself sane outside of her work. Hear about how she prioritizes team building, how her background affects her work, and get her advice to her younger self. Episode Outline [00:29] One of the Top 50 Women Leaders in SaaS [02:27] Shifting to a smaller organization [07:28] Building her team [...

Jun 22, 202117 minSeason 3Ep. 9

Randy Frisch, CMO at Uberflip on how and when to think about category creation

Episode Outline [01:26] Getting into category creation [02:50] The Uberflip timeline [05:22] Content marketing in 2012 [10:10] Other category names in the running [13:23] The early list of must-have next steps [16:26] The Uberflip Experience [20:28] Looking to the future [24:19] Inspiring people Randy’s Inspirations Peter Cresha Mark McCloud Jay Baer Ann Handley Connect with Randy LinkedIn Twitter Uberflip Website...

May 04, 202126 minSeason 3Ep. 8

Sam Boonin, former VP Product Strategy at Zendesk on all things PLG and Product Marketing

Episode Outline [01:50] Product marketing [04:33] Avoiding the product marketing pitfall [10:10] The quality of product marketing for trial-led sales assist companies [13:27] Sam’s advice for young companies [16:32] How does Sam maintain a life balance? [20:09] Inspiring people Sam’s Inspirations People who are designing the life they love. Connect with Sam LinkedIn Twitter...

Apr 27, 202122 minSeason 3Ep. 7

From $0-$80M ARR in 13 Months with Hopin CMO Anthony Kennada

Episode Outline [01:25] Managing expectations [03:09] Hopin’s numbers [07:41] Capturing the opportunity [11:31] The challenges of fast, effective growth [14:07] Where is the market going? [18:10] Anthony’s health [22:08] How does Anthony unwind? [25:28] Inspiring people Anthony’s Inspirations Nick Mehta Connect with Anthony LinkedIn Twitter Website...

Apr 13, 202128 minSeason 3Ep. 5
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