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GTM Live

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GTM Live is a new evolution of Revenue Vitals by Chris Walker, now hosted by Carolyn Dilks & Trevor Gibson, Co-Founders of Passetto — a part tech, part advisory GTM agency for high-performing B2B SaaS companies. This weekly live show is built for CEOs, CFOs & Revenue Leaders who know the current way GTM is executed & measured is broken, and are ready for something better. We cut through the noise & ditch outdated playbooks. No fluff. No vanity metrics. Just honest, modern conversations about how to track & optimize GTM for what actually matters: unit economics, efficiency & long-term growth.
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Episodes

71 - Creating Demand with Momentum | Demand Gen Live S2 x04

Last night we continued Season 2 of Demand Gen Live with the AMA format. Chris and Megan tackled questions asked both before the show and live ranging from what demand REALLY means and how to create it with momentum to case studies and podcasts. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube.

Oct 28, 20201 hr 32 min

70 - Unrealistic Goals Drive Poor Marketing Behaviors | SUMMIT Podcast with Kyle Hamer

Kyle Hamer (Founder & CEO, Hamer Marketing Group) hosted Chris Walker on the SUMMIT Podcast to talk about marketing in a post-COVID-19 world. They discussed how to use both intuition and data to determine where to spend your budget, why you should separate performance and brand, and how unrealistic goals drive the wrong marketing behaviors. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Oct 26, 202042 min

69 - B2B Influencer Marketing | Kevin "KD" Dorsey (VP of Inside Sales @ PatientPop)

Kevin "KD" Dorsey joined Chris on State of Demand Gen this week to talk about how B2B can learn from B2C, especially in regards to influencer marketing. They discuss their thoughts on B2B influencer/user marketing and why SaaS companies in particular should be considering this approach. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube.

Oct 24, 202040 min

68 - Brand, Demand & ABM | Demand Gen Live S2 x03

On last night's Demand Gen Live we received several questions before the show and tackled them live. Some topics we covered include: -Brand, Demand, ABM - Where to focus?; -First 90 days as the first marketing hire; and -How the pursuit of ROI and Efficiency drives bad marketing. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Oct 21, 20201 hr 16 min

67 - How Word of Mouth Drives Revenue | Demand Gen Live S2 x02

On Season 2 Episode 2 of Demand Gen Live, we talked about: How Sales can work well with the CMO, How word of mouth drives revenue with zero attribution, and what B2B marketers can learn from B2C. We also hosted a live AMA and answered questions about topics including LTV, ad copy variation, imposter syndrome, and segmenting. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Oct 14, 20201 hr 56 min

66 - Metrics are not More Important than Outcomes | The Growth Leadership Show

Chris Walker joined Sandro Meyer on The Growth Leadership Show to talk about: why other people don't post regularly on LinkedIn, what happens when metrics become more important than the outcome, the importance of primary market research, content creation and distribution, and what you can outsource vs. what you can't. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Oct 12, 202057 min

65 - The Demand Do’s and Don’ts | Latané Conant (CMO, 6sense)

Latané Conant, CMO at 6sense, joined Chris Walker on State of Demand Gen to go into more detail about the concepts that are discussed in her new book “No Forms. No Spam. No Cold Calls.” For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube.

Oct 10, 202047 min

64 - Demand Predictions for 2021 | Demand Gen Live S2 x01

Last night we kicked off Season 2 of Demand Gen Live with our co-hosts Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs) and Megan Bowen (CCO, Refine Labs). We leaned harder into the AMA format and covered a variety of topics including: Being proactive vs. reactive in the sales process and with customers; Why meaningful content should be incorporated throughout the entire sales and customer journey; Launching into a new market with a new product; Customer at-risk identification programs; and 2021 Demand predictio...

Oct 07, 20201 hr 36 min

63 - Marketing is not Sales and Sales is not Marketing | Darryl Praill

Chris interviewed Darryl Praill (CRO @ VanillaSoft) on State of Demand Gen this week to talk about marketing, sales, and where both sit in the organization. They discuss common frictions between the two teams, and how they can work together to achieve a shared goal...revenue. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube.

Oct 03, 202053 min

62 - "Nurturing" Leads in Long Sales Cycles | Demand Gen Live S1 x28

In the Season 1 Finale of Demand Gen Live, we had Gaetano DiNardi (Director of Growth Marketing, Nextiva) back to go through a stacked agenda. We covered: -Scaling a global demand team, -Why Enterprise companies don't publish pricing, -Hot takes on LinkedIn stories, -Why is it so hard to hire top demand gen talent?, and -Better ways to nurture "leads" in long sales cycles. Tune in next week LIVE for Season 2! Link to register here: https://zoom.us/meeting/register/uJIpdO-vqDsoxeNkHjM_AAG9HFI9m9S...

Sep 30, 20201 hr 24 min

61 - Why Your Company Should Start a Podcast | Brands That Podcast w/ Erik Jacobson

Erik Jacobson (CEO, Lemonpie) interviewed Chris Walker on "Brands That Podcast" to talk about Chris's thoughts on what most B2B companies are doing wrong in regards to leads and attribution. He also goes into detail about the State of Demand Gen podcast and how companies should be integrating podcasting and organic LinkedIn thought leadership into their marketing strategy. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine L...

Sep 28, 202038 min

60 - Focus on THEM, not You | Scott Rivers (Managing Partner, Cerca Talent+)

Chris sat down with Scott Rivers (Managing Partner, Cerca Talent+) to talk about modern marketing. They touched on how to can get to a place with your marketing where you are allowing your buyers to learn about your product in the way that THEY want, as well as how to commit to, set expectations, and get buy-in throughout your organization when running a new experiment. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs...

Sep 26, 202041 min

59 - Facebook Ads in 2021 | Demand Gen Live S1 x27

Gaetano DiNardi (Director of Growth Marketing, Nextiva) joined us once again for the 27th installment of Demand Gen Live. We covered: why overweight sales teams can get marketers stuck on the lead gen hamster wheel, why Facebook ads should remain in your 2021 marketing mix, and also hosted a live AMA and took questions from the attendees. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Sep 23, 20201 hr 15 min

58 - If You Want to Be Average, Outsource Your Content | Jonathan Beaton (VP Marketing, IntSights)

Chris Walker was joined by Jonathan Beaton, VP of Marketing at IntSights, to talk through the marketing values they hold that go against the grain. They touched on how they got where they are today, how to stay ahead of the curve, performance marketing, outsourcing content, and modern PR. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube.

Sep 19, 202055 min

57 - Why Your Company Should Start a Podcast | Demand Gen Live S1 x26

This installment of Demand Gen Live marks 6 months since we started the series on Zoom. We dove into why your company should seriously consider starting a podcast and did an in depth live paid social and search analysis of a B2B SaaS company. We concluded with a live Q&A and an incentivized challenge for our attendees. NOTE: The live B2B paid social & search breakdown was cut out from this audio recording. To view the screen share, check out Demand Gen Live x26 on the Refine Labs YouTube...

Sep 16, 20201 hr 9 min

56 - The E-Book is Dead | Alice de Courcy (CMO, Cognism)

Chris Walker joined Alice de Courcy (CMO, Cognism) for a fireside chat about e-books. He shared his thoughts on what marketers should be channeling their time and energy into instead of the traditional e-book and suggests other methods of tracking past the initial download for those that still choose to produce them. Alice and Chris have differing thoughts on the use and effectiveness of the e-book and both make a compelling case for when and how they should be used in conjunction with other tac...

Sep 12, 202052 min

55 - The Growth at all Costs Mindset | Demand Gen Live S1 x25

Over 50 marketers and sales folks gathered together on Zoom for Demand Gen Live this Tuesday. We were joined by Megan Bowen (CCO, Refine Labs) and discussed: The "growth at all costs" mindset; Why intelligent leaders stop innovating; ABM and Intent data - if and when to use both; and Why some CEOs resist investing in marketing. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube.

Sep 09, 20201 hr 40 min

54 - Spend Your Budget Like It's Your Own Money | Champagne Strategy with John James

Chris Walker joined John James on the Champagne Strategy podcast last week to talk about a wide range of topics across marketing, sales, and entrepreneurship. They covered: Why organizations invest heavily in sales headcount as a replacement for lack of demand, and what happens as a result thereof; What Chris's entrepreneurial background taught him about how people make purchasing decisions; How to spend your marketing budget like it's your own money; and The difference between high performing t...

Sep 07, 20201 hr 14 min

53 - Stuck in the Metrics | Jason Widup (VP Marketing @ metadata.io)

Jason Widup, VP of Marketing at metadata.io, joined us on State of Demand Gen to share his thoughts on marketing in 2020. We talked about how we define performance marketing and how it fits into the overall marketing strategy, why paid social isn’t an intent channel, and what happens when you are stuck in an endless cycle of measuring TOO much. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Sep 05, 202032 min

52 - Identifying True Intent | Demand Gen Live S1 x24

We broke the record for the longest Demand Gen Live to date on last night's installment. We discussed: What should my ROI be on Google Ads; How can you identify true intent; Partnership marketing strategies; Is NPS a metric worth considering; What to do when competitors play below the line; and a live Q&A. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Sep 02, 20201 hr 42 min

51 - Top of Funnel Outreach with Josh Braun

We hosted an event in early 2020 with Josh Braun in Miami, FL to talk about top of funnel outreach in B2B sales and marketing. Chris and Josh dove into how to get prospects to come knocking on your door and have your brand top of mind when they're ready to buy, as well as how to sell to prospects who may not know they have a problem you can solve. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTub...

Aug 28, 20201 hr 10 min

50 - Brand vs. Demand | Demand Gen Live S1 x23

Megan Bowen (CCO, Refine Labs) joined us again on Demand Gen Live in Gaetano's place. We talked about: Other alternatives to the sales/marketing compensation divide, how Sales can better align with Marketing on an organic approach, go-to questions when conducting customer research, LinkedIn company page metrics, and separating marketing into brand and demand teams. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on L...

Aug 26, 20201 hr 33 min

49 - Demand Gen for Sales Leaders | Richard Harris

Richard Harris, Founder of The Harris Consulting Group, came on the State of Demand Gen podcast today. We covered: What parallels appear in both the sales and marketing worlds; How measuring the things that don’t matter and don’t map to business results affects the sales org; What questions should a sales leader be asking to understand demand gen better; and Where the CRO role fits in the org chart. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just li...

Aug 22, 202052 min

48 - When to Trust Your Gut vs. Your Data | Demand Gen Live S1 x22

Gaetano DiNardi returns for this week's Demand Gen Live. We tackled the following topics: The brand halo effect, when to trust your gut instead of your data, and why you should develop content in-house. We hosted a 45 minute live Q&A following the previous topics. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube.

Aug 19, 20201 hr 17 min

47 - The No-Commission Sales Rep | Love Selling Hate Sales with Josh Wagner

Chris Walker joined Josh Wagner on the Love Selling Hate Sales podcast. They talked about: balancing marketing with sales, where the balance lies between building relationships and hitting quotas, how to really get into your customers' shoes, and different trains of thought when it comes to sales rep compensation plans. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Aug 15, 202026 min

46 - Should Content Marketing be Tied to Revenue? | Demand Gen Live S1 x21

On last night's Demand Gen Live, Megan Bowen (CCO, Refine Labs) joined Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs) in Gaetano DiNardi's place. Over 50 marketers and sales folks joined the call and participated in a live Q&A. We covered: why brand marketing lowers CAC, what needs to change from a marketing and CX perspective with enterprise deals, should content marketing be tied to a revenue goal, dealing with a CEO who doesn't understand marketing, and what the best answer is to: "if your marketing bud...

Aug 12, 20201 hr 4 min

45 - Slow and Steady Wins the Race | Surf & Sales Podcast

Chris joined the Surf & Sales podcast last week to go into depth on how his background and experiences at former companies shaped the work he does at Refine Labs. They went into depth about: Whether marketing is getting better at selling or sales is getting better at marketing; Why you can't have a short-term mindset with content marketing and thought leadership; and How attribution causes marketers to forget common sense. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Appl...

Aug 08, 202045 min

44 - The Predictability of Demand Gen | Demand Gen Live S1 x20

Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs) and Gaetano DiNardi (Director of Demand Generation, Nextiva) hosted Demand Gen Live for the 20th week in a row. They focused on pre-submitted questions as they related to sales forecasting, LinkedIn video ads, growth hacks, and whether webinars are brand or performance. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube.

Aug 05, 20201 hr 19 min

43 - Attribution Doesn’t Tell the Full Story | ABM Conversations Podcast

Chris joined Yaagneshwaren Ganesh and Manish Nepal on the ABM Conversations Podcast last week to share his thoughts on how attribution oftentimes misses the mark when being used to measure the results of content marketing, what marketers can do in place of trade-shows and in-person events, and why your best leads shouldn't be going to an SDR. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTube....

Aug 04, 202045 min

42 - How Buyers ACTUALLY Buy | The Leadership Locker with Rich Cardona

Chris joined Rich Cardona on The Leadership Locker to share his thoughts on how companies should be implementing a truly buyer-centric marketing and sales model. They discussed what product management can teach you about marketing, how to attract and educate your buyers instead of convincing them, and the benefits of pivoting to revenue marketing. For more content, subscribe to State of Demand Gen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. Tired of just listening? Check out Refine Labs on LinkedIn and YouTub...

Jul 31, 202045 min
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