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The show for SaaS marketers and product people. We talk with industry experts about email automation, marketing, content, and product strategy.
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Marketing Channels vs Programs with Asia Orangio

Why should your marketing evolve into programs? In this episode, we talk to Asia Orangio, founder and CEO of DemandMaven. You'll learn about the five growth levers you can pull, why you might be doing OKRs wrong, how to know which marketing programs to double down on, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. DemandMaven In Demand Episode 26: What is the SaaS Black Hole? Managing SaaS Growth with Asia Orangio Userlist’s email examples posts SignWell – example...

Apr 25, 202550 minSeason 9Ep. 7

The Impact Mindset with Connor Joyce

How can the Impact Mindset improve your product development process? In this episode, we talk to Connor Joyce, senior user researcher at Microsoft and author of Bridging Intention to Impact. You'll learn why you need to ask if your product is really working, the five success metrics for products, some approaches to collecting behavioral data, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Bridging Intention to Impact Desired Outcome Labs Follow Connor on LinkedIn ...

Feb 28, 202539 minSeason 9Ep. 6

Bullseye Customer Research with Michael Margolis

How do you narrow down to your perfect customer? In this episode, we talk to Michael Margolis, UX Research Partner at Google Ventures. You'll learn about their bullseye customer sprint, the difference between an ideal customer profile and the bullseye customer, how to apply prototypes, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Learn More Faster – Michael’s book Follow Michael on LinkedIn Thanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the...

Jan 24, 202530 minSeason 9Ep. 5

Product SEO with David Pasztor

When should you start investing in product SEO? In this episode, we talk to David Pasztor, founder of UX studio and Ranking Raccoon. You'll learn why they built a platform for link collaboration, how to target transactional keywords, how they’re doing SEO for their own product, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. UX studio – David’s company UXfolio , Copyfolio , Archifolio , Ranking Raccoon – their products Ranking Raccoon email example Building Two-sid...

Dec 20, 202427 minSeason 9Ep. 4

Storytelling in SaaS with Stephen Steers

How can you leverage storytelling in SaaS sales and marketing? In this episode, we talk to Stephen Steers, sales coach, consultant, and storyteller. You'll learn about why you should sell the outcome, how to choose the right story to tell, how to apply storytelling in your sales calls, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Superpower Storytelling – Stephen’s book PR Strategies for Founders with Sneha Saigal Get Stephen’s resources for podcast listeners Fo...

Nov 22, 202439 minSeason 9Ep. 3

Managing Priorities with Harry Max

Are humans inherently bad at managing priorities? In this episode, we talk to Harry Max, speaker, coach, consultant, and author of Managing Priorities. You'll learn about the DEGAP process, the four approaches to prioritization, prioritization processes in large organizations, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Managing Priorities – Harry’s book The Eisenhower Matrix RICE , ICE – scoring models for prioritization Prune the Product Tree Method Innovatio...

Oct 18, 202437 minSeason 9Ep. 2

Implementing Self-service SaaS with Franciska Dethlefsen

How do you plan and implement a self-serve option for your SaaS? In this episode, we talk to Franciska Dethlefsen, Head of Growth Marketing at Amplitude. You'll learn about their journey from being completely sales-led to launching a self-serve plan, how they approached pricing and packaging, how it all ties with their free plan, what channels they use to provide support, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Amplitude Amplitude Academy Amplitude Communit...

Sep 20, 202434 minSeason 9Ep. 1

Measuring Paid Media for SaaS with Barbara Galiza

How do you measure the effectiveness of your paid media campaigns? In this episode, we talk to Barbara Galiza, a growth and marketing analytics consultant. You'll learn about the three types of campaign performance metrics, how to manage attribution via multiple data sources, how companies are adapting to the recent focus on data privacy, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Data Discrepancies in Marketing Sources Snowplow , Segment – data platforms Deco...

Aug 16, 202436 minSeason 8Ep. 10

PR Strategies for Founders with Sneha Saigal

What can SaaS founders do to jumpstart their PR strategy? In this episode, we talk to Sneha Saigal, co-founder of Geeks & Experts. You'll learn why it’s best to DIY your PR strategy in the early stages, why you should be thoughtful about your pitches, how PR experts tap into a founder’s story, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Geeks & Experts Help a B2B Writer , Source of Sources (formerly HARO) Survey-based Research Projects with Becky Lawlor...

Jul 19, 202430 minSeason 8Ep. 9

Hybrid Messaging Approach with Carolyn Beaudoin

How do you develop your messaging to serve multiple segments at once? In this episode, we talk to Carolyn Beaudoin, co-founder of Boxcar Agency. You'll learn about their Hybrid One Reader approach, tips for structuring your homepage and dedicated solution pages, how to use customer call recordings as copywriting material, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Boxcar Agency Copyhackers Proven Ideas for A/B Testing with Sahil Patel JTBD for User Onboarding ...

Jun 21, 202448 minSeason 8Ep. 8

SEO Optimization for Existing Content with Kai Davis

How can you get more mileage out of your existing content? In this episode, we talk to Kai Daivs, an SEO consultant. You'll learn how often you should update your pages, the two levers for improving your SEO, how to use heat mapping, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Survey-based Research Projects with Becky Lawlor Ahrefs , Semrush – popular SEO tools Screaming Frog Hotjar – a heat mapping tool Follow Kai on Twitter Get Kai's exclusive resources for B...

May 17, 202441 minSeason 8Ep. 7

Data-powered Growth with Arpit Choudhury

How do you leverage data for SaaS growth? In this episode, we talk to Arpit Choudhury, founder of Databeats. You'll learn what makes a robust data foundation, how teams can work together to collect data, why less data is better, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Databeats Make (formerly Integromat) — Arpit’s previous place of work Good Data To Growth: The GDG Model Measuring the ROI of Email with Claudiu Murariu Get Arpit’s book Follow Arpit on Linked...

Apr 19, 202440 minSeason 8Ep. 6

Pricing and Packaging for SaaS with Dan Balcauski

How can we get better at SaaS pricing and packaging? In this episode, we talk to Dan Balcauski, founder and chief pricing officer at Product Tranquility. You'll learn what department should own the pricing function, how often you should revisit pricing, why you shouldn’t A/B test your pricing, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Product Tranquility Follow Dan on LinkedIn SaaS Scaling Secrets — Dan’s podcast Thanks for listening! If you found the episode...

Mar 22, 202444 minSeason 8Ep. 5

Running a Portfolio of Products with Tim Schumacher

How do you run and manage a multi-product portfolio? In this episode, we talk to Tim Schumacher, co-founder and CEO of saas.group. You'll learn how they developed their acquisition model, the importance of setting up central teams for operative tasks, why founders need to think about successors, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. saas.group — Tim’s company UI Breakfast Episode 135: Multi-Product Portfolio Model for SaaS with JD Graffam Prerender , Pipe...

Feb 23, 202434 minSeason 8Ep. 4

QA in Email Marketing with Michael Wilding

With so many elements involved in email marketing, what does the quality assurance process look like? In this episode, we talk to Michael Wilding, a marketing automation architect. You'll learn how QA is done in larger organizations, why creating a base template is important, how to do QA on your workflows, and how to test your emails using different methods. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. DEPT ® — Michael’s place of work Litmus , Email on Acid — template te...

Jan 26, 202426 minSeason 8Ep. 3

Proven Ideas for A/B Testing with Sahil Patel

How do you come up with new ideas for A/B testing in B2B SaaS? In this episode, we talk to Sahil Patel, CEO of Spiralyze. You'll learn why you should get inspiration from the tests run by other companies, how early you should invest in A/B testing, where to use disruptions in your website design, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Spiralyze Connect with Sahil on LinkedIn Thanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, please spread the word abou...

Dec 22, 202331 minSeason 8Ep. 2

Community-led Growth with Lloyed Lobo

How do you build and grow a community-led business? In this episode, we talk to Lloyed Lobo, co-founder of Boast.ai and author of From Grassroots to Greatness. You'll learn about the four stages companies go through to become a global phenomenon, the values for building a sustainable community-led business, how to nurture brand evangelists, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. From Grassroots To Greatness — Lloyed’s new book Start with Why — a book by Si...

Nov 17, 202345 minSeason 8Ep. 1

Automated Webinars with Melissa Kwan

How can automated webinars help your product grow? In this episode, we talk to Melissa Kwan, co-founder and CEO of eWebinar. You'll learn the difference between live-first and automated webinar solutions, why you should be honest with your prospects, how you can make your on-demand demo effective, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. eWebinar — Melissa’s product Zoom , Livestorm , Demio — popular tools for live webinars How to Script an Effective On-Dema...

Oct 20, 202324 minSeason 7Ep. 10

Marketing for All-in-one Platforms with Geoff Roberts

How do you market a product that serves multiple jobs-to-be-done? In this episode, we talk to Geoff Roberts, co-founder of Outseta. You'll learn about their special approach to SEO, why you should sometimes prioritize resonance over reach, the importance of narrowing down on your audience, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Outseta — Geoff’s product Basecamp , HubSpot — popular all-in-one products Follow Geoff on Twitter and LinkedIn Thanks for listeni...

Sep 22, 202341 minSeason 7Ep. 9

Lifecycle Marketing with Nout Boctor-Smith

Why should startups invest early in lifecycle marketing? In this episode, we talk to Nout Boctor-Smith, growth marketing consultant at Nine Lives Digital. You'll learn the difference between B2C and B2B lifecycle marketing, why customer centricity is important, how to market to sensitive audiences, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Nine Lives Digital What is Product-led Growth? The Ultimate Guide to Account-Based Marketing B2B Marketing Attribution wi...

Aug 25, 202341 minSeason 7Ep. 8

Marketing for Humans with Sarah McCredie

How can B2B brands become more authentic and straightforward in their messaging? In this episode, we talk to Sarah McCredie, director of product marketing at Recurly. You'll learn what marketing for humans is, which brands are nailing it, why you shouldn’t be afraid to rebrand, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Recurly — Sarah’s place of work Glossier — one of direct-to-consumer pioneers in human marketing Slack — an example of human branding in SaaS ...

Jul 28, 202331 minSeason 7Ep. 7

Re-engagement Emails with Tim Hart

How do you know if a subscriber is due for a re-engagement campaign? In this episode, we talk to Tim Hart, senior email developer at Response Labs. You'll learn what incentives you can offer to reactivate subscribers, what engagement metrics matter the most, how often you should be pruning your email list, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Response Labs Email Geeks Connect with Tim on LinkedIn Thanks for listening! If you found the episode useful, ple...

Jul 14, 202329 minSeason 7Ep. 6

Customer Acquisition Strategies with Farzad Rashidi

How can you improve your customer acquisition funnel? In this episode, we talk to Farzad Rashidi, co-founder of Respona. You'll learn how they grow and convert their website traffic, how to help your landing pages rank, what content promotion strategies work best, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Respona — Farzad’s tool UI Breakfast Episode 167: Designing Effective Presentations with Payman Taei Semrush , Ahrefs , Moz — Farzad’s tool stack Outreach S...

Jun 30, 202343 minSeason 7Ep. 5

Prioritizing Engineering Resources with Phil Alves

How do you get the best ROI from your engineering team while keeping them happy? In this episode, we talk to Phil Alves, founder of DevSquad and DevStats. You'll learn how to prioritize feature development, how to take care of your developers’ well-being, what non-technical founders should know, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. DevSquad — Phil’s consultancy DevStats — Phil’s product Shape Up — a book by Ryan Singer UI Breakfast Podcast Episode 238: T...

Jun 16, 202338 minSeason 7Ep. 4

Virality & Word of Mouth with Gaurav Vohra

How can virality and word of mouth help with your SaaS growth? In this episode, we talk to Gaurav Vohra, a startup advisor and a member of the founding team at Superhuman. You'll learn why they decided to focus on a specific set of channels, the mechanics of virality, how you can measure it in the early stages, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Superhuman — Gaurav’s company Traction — a book by Gabriel Weinberg and Justin Mares Warby Parker — an examp...

Jun 05, 202342 minSeason 7Ep. 3

Using Swag to Grow Your SaaS Brand with Scott Markovits

How can swag amplify your SaaS brand reputation? In this episode, we talk to Scott Markovits, fractional COO and startup mentor. You'll learn how swag supplements your marketing strategy, when it’s best to offer swag, why you should be thoughtful about selecting physical items, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. InVision — Scott’s previous place of work Threadbird Cotton Bureau Fathom Analytics Follow Scott on Twitter and LinkedIn Check out Scott’s web...

May 19, 202347 minSeason 7Ep. 2

Personal Motivation in B2B SaaS with Sofia Quintero

How can you uncover your customers’ personal motivation and leverage it for SaaS growth? In this episode, we talk to Sofia Quintero, the founder of Collie and previously the founder of EnjoyHQ. You'll learn the lessons she learned from building EnjoyHQ, how you can get customers to open up to you, why you should ask why their project may fail, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Collie — Sofia’s new product, a tool for engineering teams EnjoyHQ — Sofia’...

May 05, 202353 minSeason 7Ep. 1

SaaS Brand Architecture with Karrie Sanderson

What makes a SaaS brand special? In this episode, we talk to Karrie Sanderson, a marketing executive and former chief marketing officer at Typeform. You'll learn about the work that goes into branding, why branding also involves internal education, how to stay on brand when you’re scaling, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Typeform , Smartsheet — Karrie’s previous employers Uncovering Customer Insights with Aggelos Mouzakitis Wynter — a research platf...

Apr 21, 202341 minSeason 6Ep. 10

Managing SaaS Growth with Asia Orangio

How do you approach and manage your SaaS growth processes? In this episode, we talk to Asia Orangio, founder and CEO of DemandMaven. You'll learn why selecting your North Star KPI is crucial, how to pick a focus area, how to handle pricing experiments, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. DemandMaven — Asia’s company Hacking Growth — a book by Sean Ellis and Morgan Brown Sprint — a book by Jake Knapp, John Zeratsky, and Braden Kowitz North Star KPI Van W...

Apr 07, 202343 minSeason 6Ep. 9

Software Pricing Design with Chris Mele

Why should SaaS businesses invest in a pricing strategy? In this episode, we talk to Chris Mele, the managing partner at Software Pricing Partners. You'll learn what happens behind-the-scenes of enterprise pricing, what value-based selling really is, the problem with pricing tiers, and more. Visit our website for the detailed episode recap with key learnings. Software Pricing Partners The three worst B2B SaaS pricing errors – and how to avoid them Thanks for listening! If you found the episode u...

Mar 03, 20231 hr 5 minSeason 6Ep. 8
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