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2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns

David C. Baker and Blair Enns2bobs.com
Conversations on the art of creative entrepreneurship with David C. Baker and Blair Enns

Episodes

Advising Clients Ethically

Whether you call yourself an advisor or consultant (or not), David has seven core ethical principles that should govern advisory work. LINKS "Advising Clients Ethically" article on Punctuation.com

Apr 24, 202424 minEp. 188

Just Stop Talking

The fact that sales people tend to talk too much is nothing new, but Blair has observed in recent client work just how profound of an effect this pervasive problem has on sales outcomes. Links “How and When to Talk About Your Firm” “Replacing Presentations With Conversations”

Apr 10, 202431 minEp. 187

Working With a Maverick

When it comes to qualifications for ideal clients, David doesn’t hear anyone talking about how agencies can benefit when the person across the table is someone who presses boundaries and ethically skirts the rules within their own organization.

Mar 27, 202423 minEp. 186

The Dichotomy of the Expert Salesperson

As Blair is finishing his new book that drops later this year, he comes to the realization that pretty much everything he does comes down to the fundamental issue that experts think they need to show up as a different person during the sale: pitching, persuading, and convincing instead of as the leader their prospective clients need them to be. LINKS "The Dichotomy of the Expert Salesperson" article by Blair Enns at WinWithoutPitching.com "Ditch the (Sales) Script"...

Mar 13, 202424 minEp. 185

Maximizing Pro Bono Opportunities

While discussing eight ways creative firms can do pro bono work better based on an article David wrote recently, both he and Blair discover a couple new profound insights together. LINKS “Maximizing Your Pro-Bono Contributions” by David C. Baker at Punctuation.com Left-handed Mango Chutney

Feb 28, 202419 minEp. 184

Attending the Way

Blair recognizes how a Confucius quote is really bad business advice, but is still moved by how a highly principled creative firm in New Zealand continues to thrive by prioritizing their creative practices and client fit over new business strategy. LINKS "Attending the Way" article by Blair on WinWithoutPitching.com AltGroup.net

Feb 14, 202422 minEp. 183

A 7-part Theory of Principal Compensation

David frequently gets hired to help resolve issues at firms between multiple principles when it comes to who does what and how much each should get paid, so he’s come up with a 7-point framework he can use in each unique scenario.

Jan 31, 202423 minEp. 182

The Time Value of Knowledge

David interviews Blair about his recent article in which he takes a lesson from investing with compound interest to understand the increasing returns we can receive from our relentless pursuit of knowledge over time. Links “The Time Value of Knowledge” article on WinWithoutPitching.com

Jan 17, 202429 minEp. 181

Revisiting Remote Work

David looks at the current data and weighs all the pros and cons of continuing to have staff who work from home in our post-pandemic economy, which makes Blair wonder if he would even survive if he was starting out in his profession today. Links “The Pros/Cons of Remote Work”

Jan 03, 202428 minEp. 180

Ditch the (Sales) Script

Blair sees too many creative firms talking at prospective clients using sales scripts instead of having a series of wide ranging conversations on their unique issues and objectives that set the tone for the potential long-term engagement. Links “Ten Set Pieces” “Mastering the Value Conversation”

Dec 20, 202325 minEp. 179

Constrained by Artificial Boundaries

Blair’s latest obsession is bounded rationality, in which he sees too many creative firms failing to make “rational” decisions because they choose to bind their businesses with outdated and overly-constraining ideals like the 80/20 principle. Links “The Great Convergence is Upon Us” by Blair Enns for Win Without Pitching Award-winning “Unapologetically Human” ad campaign by Kruger and BHLA Productize: The Ultimate Guide to Turning Professional Services to Scalable Products by Eisha Tierney Armst...

Dec 06, 202324 minEp. 178

A Theory of Leisure

David shares his thoughts on some bad advice he hears involving the focus on pursuing personal passions in business.

Nov 22, 202326 minEp. 177

The Death Throes of the Pitch

Blair weighs in on this year's Forrester report, which shows the ridiculous amount of money agencies have been wasting on pitches. LINKS "Are These the Last Days of the Pitch?" by Blair Enns for Win Without Pitching "A New Forrester Report Urges Brands and Agencies to 'Ditch the Pitch'" by Olivia Morley for AdWeek published on 4 A's...

Nov 08, 202328 minEp. 176

How Much Should You Spend on Your Own Marketing?

David addresses another frequently asked question, looking at what creative firms should budget in terms of both money and time for their website, SaaS/automation, PR, content creation, and social media.

Oct 25, 202330 minEp. 175

The Conflicting Ethics of Selling and Negotiating

Blair identifies the differences between the ethics of selling expertise and the three schools of bargaining ethics, and what happens when we don’t adapt our bargaining approach to match our opponents in the game of negotiation. Links “ The Conflicting Ethics of Selling & Negotiating ” article by Blair Enns on WinWithoutPitching.com

Oct 11, 202323 minEp. 174

Doing Employee Orientation Right

In an era of rapid turnover and remote working arrangements, developing a structured onboarding process for new staff is more important than ever. David has a checklist to help agencies get their new employees up to speed as quickly as possible.

Sep 27, 202323 minEp. 173

The War on Payment Terms

Blair sees non-standard payment terms as a two-sided issue, where agencies should be creatively leveraging terms more to their own benefit as opposed to just defending themselves against procurement departments who impose onerous terms. LINKS "Payment Terms, On Your Terms"

Sep 13, 202333 min

What Your Team Wants From You

While analyzing data from his Total Business Reset surveys, David has noticed five significant trends which principals should be aware of to run their firms more effectively, as well as one thing your team wishes you’d stop doing.

Aug 30, 202332 minEp. 171

How to Ask for Referrals

As a follow-up to the discussion in the previous episode, Blair has some criteria for firms that would beneift from prioritizing and codifying an effective referral strategy as a way to gain new business. LINKS “The Best Referral Machine I Have Ever Seen”

Aug 16, 202327 minEp. 170

How to Make Referrals

In part one of a two-part discussion about developing a business referral strategy, Blair is surprised to hear that David wants to cover how and why we can get better at giving away business, before talking about how to get more referrals.

Aug 02, 202327 minEp. 169

Do You Even Need New Business People?

Blair runs through one of his constraint driven exercises with David by having us imagine running our business with nobody dedicated to the various functions under the banner of new business.

Jul 19, 202324 minEp. 168

Predictive Traits of Successful Owners

David has observed six common characteristics of agency principals that can affect whether or not their business succeeds.

Jul 05, 202324 minEp. 167

Six Barriers to New Business Success

Even after understanding and trying to adopt the philosophies from Win Without Pitching , Blair sees many creative firms struggling to increase profit because of these six obstacles involving their people and processes. Links Mastering the Value Conversation The Complexities of Commission Culture Innoficiency in Your Agency The Enemy Within The Complex Battle for Margin Debriefing After a New Business Call Is Your Firm Addicted to New Business? Who’s Going to Own This?...

Jun 21, 202328 minEp. 166

Ten Questions I Want to Ask You

This is your intervention and David has some tough questions about the important decisions you should be making to manage and grow your creative firm. LINKS "The Four Types of Employees at Your Firm"

Jun 07, 202332 minEp. 165

Qualities of the World’s Best Project Managers

David feels like project managers get a bad rap and has tried to raise their profile within creative firms. So he’s gathered a list of traits from the best project managers he’s met in the hundreds of agencies he’s worked with over the years. Links “Understanding Account People”

May 24, 202329 minEp. 164

CRM and the Mistakes to Avoid

A lot has changed since Blair wrote his article about seven mistakes he sees creative firms make with CRM years ago, and David wants to know why Excel isn’t a good tool for managing sales leads.

May 10, 202328 minEp. 163

Why We Suck at Negotiating

Blair has six challenges creative agencies face when it comes to being compensated for the actual value they generate for their clients.

Apr 26, 202332 minEp. 162

Developing a Client Conflict Strategy

David addresses how vertically positioned agencies can manage a client roster containing multiple companies who are competitors with each other.

Apr 12, 202318 minEp. 161

Inbound, Outbound, and In Between

Blair has been getting too much spam lately and sees an opportunity with warm leads that lies between inbound and outbound marketing which is not being mined well among the creative firms. Links “Inbound, Outbound & In Between” article on WinWithoutPitching.com

Mar 29, 202324 minEp. 160

The Perils of "Good/Better/Best" Pricing

Blair wants sales people to stop ranking proposal options in a way that assigns judgement for prospective clients without considering the many tradeoffs that need to be considered. Read the episode notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/the-perils-of-good-better-best-pricing

Mar 15, 202328 minEp. 159
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