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2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns

David C. Baker and Blair Enns2bobs.com
Conversations on the art of creative entrepreneurship with David C. Baker and Blair Enns

Episodes

Reverse Trojan Horse Syndrome

Blair is confused by David’s mixed metaphors about creative agencies being able to sell strategy services up front, instead of entering through the implementation door with new clients and then trying to demonstrate how much more your firm can provide.

Mar 01, 202332 minEp. 158

Is Your Firm Addicted to New Business?

Blair sees some creative firms as “black holes” where accounts go in and seemingly never come out, and others as “new business development machines,” consistently generating half of their revenue from new clients every year. Links “Is Your Firm Addicted to New Business?” “Churn, Baby, Churn”

Feb 15, 202329 minEp. 157

Secret Tradecraft of Elite Advisors

David has a brand new book, Secret Tradecraft of Elite Advisors: Covert Techniques for a Remarkable Practice . In it he reveals exactly how he manages engagements with his clients, and he’s nervous about how it will be received. Links Secret Tradecraft of Elite Advisors: Covert Techniques for a Remarkable Practice The Business of Expertise: How Entrepreneurial Experts Convert Insight to Impact + Wealth Read the transcrtipt and episode notes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/secret-tradecraft-of-elite-...

Feb 01, 202331 minEp. 156

Innoficiency in Your Agency

Blair has talked many times on the podcast about how innovation and efficiency are mutually opposable goals, and after presenting his first keynote on the "Innoficiency Principle" goes deeper into this idea with David. Links “The Innoficiency Problem” “The Marketing Procurement Problem” The Google Cemetery “The Enemy Within” “The Complex Battle for Margin” “Five Levels of Pricing Success”...

Jan 18, 202339 minEp. 155

Churn, Baby, Churn

David gets flack for his contrary perspective on how agencies shouldn’t necessarily aim for long-term client relationships. So he clarifies how he’s seen the the fear of both client and employee churn hold firms back. LINKS "Reboot Your Culture Through New Business" "Your Firm Should Be A Team—Not A Family" "The Problem of Standards" by David Maister Read the transcript and episode notes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/churn-baby-churn...

Jan 04, 202330 minEp. 154

Reboot Your Culture Through New Business

Blair frequently tells his clients, “You reinvent the firm one new client at a time.” So looking ahead to the new year, he has five areas where principals can be looking to upgrade their agency’s culture through the next new client. Links Tim Williams, The Unscalable Business Model Jim de Zoete, Don't Pitch Your Mental Health Maintaining the Expert Position...After the Sale The Agency Gatekeeper Slapping Down Your Childlike Glee Everything Can Change in One Conversation The Enemy Within Masterin...

Dec 21, 202234 minEp. 153

Who Should Be Promoted?

Have your firm's managers been promoted based on technical proficiency and status, or was it because of their self-awareness and critical thinking? David shares why he sees so many poor managers in the creative firms he's worked with, and then lists what he looks for in great team leaders. Read the episode notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/who-should-be-promoted

Dec 07, 202226 minEp. 152

Maintaining the Expert Position...After the Sale

Without turning everything into a power play, David provides seven sources of leverage that can help agencies maintain the leadership role in client engagements long term. Read the epiosde notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/maintaining-the-expert-position-after-the-sale

Nov 23, 202233 minEp. 151

When Your Engagement Level Drops

David has 16 things for principals to try when they feel the need to do something different from running their firm. Links Play the Game of Constraints Read the epsisode notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/when-your-engagement-level-drops

Nov 09, 202234 minEp. 150

The Marketing Procurement Problem

Blair talks about his new podcast with Leah Power, 20% - The Marketing Procurement Podcast , in which they are speaking with marketing, procurement, and agency professionals about how to "procure" creativity without killing it. Read the episode notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/the-marketing-procurement-problem

Oct 26, 202232 minEp. 149

The Agency Gatekeeper

Blair recommends five things firms need to be effective at qualifying new business opportunities in order to prevent the over-allocation of resources against early-stage buyers. Links Slapping Down Your Childlike Glee Mastering the Value Conversation Models Everywhere Critical Questions Your New Business Person Should Be Able to Answer How and When to Talk About Your Firm Read the episode notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/the-agency-gatekeeper...

Oct 12, 202231 minEp. 148

Prostitutes and Scope Creep

David thinks creative firms can learn something from sex workers about how to run their business. Read the transcript and episode notes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/prostitutes-and-scope-creep

Sep 28, 202231 minEp. 147

How Would You Prepare for a Downturn?

David is not an economist so he doesn’t have any idea if an economic downturn is imminent, but the signs aren’t great. If you decide that a downturn is around the corner, what would you do right now? Read the transcript and episode notes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/how-would-you-prepare-for-a-downturn

Sep 14, 202229 minEp. 145

Selling Should Be Fun or You Aren't Doing It Right

Blair had fun on a week of sales calls and came up with four reasons why he thinks most people can learn to have fun selling like he did. Read the episode notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/selling-should-be-fun-or-you-arent-doing-it-right Links “Are We Having Fun Yet?” “This Should Be Fun” “Coaches Corner: Now This Is Fun”...

Aug 31, 202238 minEp. 145

Models Everywhere

Blair and David go into detail about what a model is for a creative firm and how they can be useful in closing new business and improving profitability. Read the transcript and episode notes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/models-everywhere

Aug 17, 202232 minEp. 144

How Categories and Positioning Options Might Change

David and Blair follow up their previous discussion about how marketing firms have evolved, going deeper into how different service categories and positioning might look in the near future. Read this episode's transcript and get links to what was discussed at http://2bobs.com/podcast/how-categories-andpositioning-options-might-change

Aug 03, 202232 minEp. 143

The Evolution of a Marketing Firm

Creative or marketing firms look a lot different today than they did 20 years ago. What happened to the ad agencies and design firms? And what trends are Blair and David seeing as businesses and technology continue to evolve? Read the transcript and listen to more episodes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/the-evolution-of-a-marketing-firm

Jul 20, 202233 minEp. 142

Shortcomings of the EBITDA Multiplier

David keeps getting asked: “what multiple are you seeing these days?” As if there’s some simple, magic answer that’ll lead to a company’s value. EBITDA is a great tool…but an incomplete one. Read the transcript and episode notes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/shortcomings-of-the-ebitda-multiplier

Jul 06, 202234 minEp. 141

The Emotional Journey of Buying and Selling

When someone makes Prospect Theory generalizations—saying that buyers either over-weight gains or over-weight losses—Blair wants us to remember that both are true at different times during the sales process, and we need to adjust accordingly at the right times to close the sale. Read the transcript and episode notes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/the-emotional-journey-of-buying-and-selling

Jun 22, 202234 minEp. 140

Hard Lines, Soft Lines

Inspired by some observations of what sometimes happens to people on the journey from vendor to expert, Blair sees some newbie Win Without Pitching devotees going too far–power tripping. Read the episode notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/hard-lines-soft-lines

Jun 08, 202235 minEp. 139

Designing Your Service Offerings

Does your list of service offerings look like a Cheesecake Factory menu? David identifies five hallmarks of poor service design along with five principles of effective service offering design. Read the transcript and episode notes at http://2bobs.com/podcast/designing-your-service-offerings

May 25, 202230 minEp. 138

Secrets Behind the Killer Website

In a follow-up to the popular “Secrets Behind the Killer Proposal” episode, David unloads everything firms can do to make sure their website is locked and loaded for winning over new clients (wink wink).

May 11, 202233 minEp. 137

Why All My Content Is Ungated

David has seven reasons for removing all barriers on his website for readers and prospects to access what he writes - but admits that it may not be for everyone. Read the show notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/why-all-my-content-is-ungated

Apr 27, 202230 minEp. 136

Selling to Different Buyer Types

Blair details each buyer type (Convenience, Relationship, Price, Value, and Poker Player), and demonstrates how your proposal should do the negotiating work for you regardless of which type of buyer you’re selling to. Read the show notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/selling-to-different-buyer-types

Apr 13, 202241 minEp. 135

The Power of Process

Blair discusses what they mean by having a process, how to develop it, what to avoid, and how your process at its highest level can be turned into valuable IP. Get the episode notes and transcript at http://2bobs.com/podcast/the-power-of-process

Mar 30, 202232 minEp. 134

Secrets Behind the Killer Proposal

WARNING: If you only listen to only one episode of 2Bobs it should NOT be this one. In this send up of the ridiculous things people put in their proposals David and Blair give exactly the WRONG advice, hoping you get the joke.

Mar 02, 202232 minEp. 132

Six Hidden Benefits of Client Concentration

Every firm will face the possibility of a client concentration challenge, and every client should probably say “yes” to that opportunity in spite of the warnings going off in their heads.

Feb 16, 202235 minEp. 131

Languishing

The most-read New York Times story of 2021 was about the dominant emotion many of us felt. Blair and David just hit record for this episode, without any plan for this conversation about the pandemic and how they feel about the new year.

Jan 19, 202230 minEp. 129
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