In this episode, Morag Gamble engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Laura Oldanie about the contested intersection of permaculture and money. They explore the redefinition of wealth, the myths surrounding conventional financial systems, and the importance of community and social capital in creating a resilient and abundant life. Laura shares insights on how permaculture principles can guide financial decisions, the concept of 'enoughness', and innovative strategies for inves...
Mar 06, 2025•56 min•Ep 141•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode I welcome Emeritus Professor Stuart Hill - scholar, educator, and advocate for transformative change in social ecology - to explore the interconnections of permaculture and psychology. Join us as we dive into how to nurture a deeper inner permaculture while nourishing a wider outer permaculture. Stuart is an educator and researcher whose knowledge spans from ecology to entomology, agriculture to psychotherapy, and education to policy development. Currently Foundation Chair of Soc...
Feb 26, 2025•1 hr 10 min•Ep 140•Transcript available on Metacast Join me in this episode with Dr Katherine Trebeck to imagine what an economy designed to serve people actually looks like and how we can make it happen. Come explore the root of today's crises and the seeds of the solutions with us. Dr. Katherine Trebeck is a leading political economist, writer, TedX speaker and leading advocate for economic system change. She co-founded the Wellbeing Economy Alliance , is writer-at-large at the University of Edinburgh , the Economic Change Lead at The Next...
Feb 19, 2025•58 min•Ep 139•Transcript available on Metacast Join me in conversation with Andrew Millison , an agent for change who shares permaculture wisdom through art, design and multimedia storytelling. In this episode we explore how Andrew is actively weaving stories to shift the narrative from one of scarcity to one of abundance - and how you can too. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Festival of Ideas , held in May 2024. Andrew has previously been on this podcast, talking about the epic permaculture projects he has...
Jan 28, 2025•36 min•Ep 138•Transcript available on Metacast This episode, join me in conversation with Dr. Fritjof Capra to explore how to address the problems we see in the world with systemic thinking and what principles we need to uphold while doing so. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Festival of Ideas , held in May 2024. Fritjof is an acclaimed scientist, educator, activist, and author of many international bestsellers, connecting conceptual changes in science with broader changes in worldview and values in society....
Jan 14, 2025•59 min•Ep 137•Transcript available on Metacast Tune into this episode with Phoebe Tickell - an imagination activist and founder of Moral Imaginations, a group who is building a movement of moral imagining - to explore what it means to exercise and stretch your imagination in order to create new possibilities and new action. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Permaculture Festival of Ideas , held in May 2024. From the solar punk movement to radical kinship, Phoebe highlights how important it is that we realise ...
Oct 12, 2024•49 min•Ep 136•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode, I welcome Nora Bateson - an eminent systems thinker, filmmaker, writer and President of the International Bateson Institute - to explore the complexities of our interconnected world with intergenerational insight and clarity. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Festival of Ideas , held in May 2024. Nora's session was the final event in the Festival of Ideas, holding the closing together with readings and insights from her latest book 'Com...
Oct 06, 2024•57 min•Ep 135•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode, I welcome Dr Lyla June Johnston, a multi-genre Indigenous musician, scholar, and community organizer of Diné (Navajo), Tsétsêhéstâhese (Cheyenne) and European lineages to explore what it means to learn from Indigenous cultures in a non-extractivist way. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Festival of Ideas , held in May 2024. Lyla's conversation is an honest look into how we can move from an embedded colonial-settler mindset when engaging with...
Sep 28, 2024•56 min•Ep 134•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode, I welcome my dear friend and mentor, Satish Kumar. Satish is a world-renowned author and peace advocate, who has been speaking around the world and inspiring global change for over 50 years. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Permaculture Festival of Ideas , held in May 2024. From what it means to hold radical love to inspiring active hope, Satish's discussion on the Festival of Ideas was an amazing session that I am now so excited to share o...
Sep 21, 2024•50 min•Ep 133•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode, I welcome Keibo Oiwa, a leading environmental activist in Japan and founder of The Sloth Club – an NGO that promotes slow and sustainable living, encouraging a new appreciation of rural life and a simpler way of living, with community, growing and nature the focus. This episode is part of the recorded series from the International Festival of Ideas , held in May 2024. Keibo is an educator, cultural anthropologist, filmmaker, public speaker and author of over 50 books. In his ses...
Sep 14, 2024•58 min•Ep 132•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode, I welcome Kim Stoddart, an award-winning environmental journalist, speaker and leading authority on climate change resilient gardening. Kim and I have a in-depth conversation about how we can create more resilient (and beautiful) gardens! From mulching tricks to how we see gardening itself, we explore what role gardens can play as the climate continues to change. Kim's knowledge of sharing permaculture through gardening articles is unparalleled - being the editor of Amateur...
Sep 07, 2024•1 hr 7 min•Ep 131•Transcript available on Metacast Join me in this conversation with renowned author, blogger, podcaster, columnist and broadcaster, Manda Scott. We explore the need for a conscious evolution of humanity through a narrative Manda calls 'Thrutopia' - a vision of the future that's worth striving for. From reconnecting to the web of life to the power of storytelling, Manda shares an exciting vision of systemic change that comes from the power in our communities. And if you're interested in Manda's prolific w...
Aug 15, 2024•1 hr 7 min•Ep 130•Transcript available on Metacast Join Morag Gamble in a deep-dive conversation with Helena Norberg-Hodge - internationally acclaimed localization advocate, filmmaker and author. This was recorded live at our June Permaculture Education Institute masterclass. exploring permaculture and localization - the final of our four part world localization day series we hosted in collaboration with Helena’s organisation Local Futures . Helena and Morag explore how we can grow the movement and foster ecological economies, thriving communiti...
Jun 30, 2024•1 hr 27 min•Ep 129•Transcript available on Metacast Hello, I'm Morag. Welcome to this episode of Sense-making in a Changing World podcast - a project of the Permaculture Education Institute . This is a special episode as part of the International Permaculture Festival of Ideas I invite you to join me each week in conversation with leading permaculture-related educators, thinkers, activists, authors, designers and practitioners to explore the kind of thinking AND ACTION we need to navigate a positive and regenerative way forward, to myceliate...
Jun 24, 2024•48 min•Ep 127•Transcript available on Metacast The most pressing question in these uncertain times may be how can we bring healing and protection to the Earth? Join me this episode the explore this question that Cynthia Jurs carried with her in 1990 as she climbed a path high in the Himalayas, to meet an “old wise man in a cave”—a venerated lama from Nepal. This question is the centre for both her work, her book, ' Summoned by the Earth ', and our conversation - sharing her journeys around the world, from Australian Indigenous comm...
May 19, 2024•48 min•Ep 127•Transcript available on Metacast I'm delighted to welcome Ansima Casinga Rolande to this final episode of our International Women's Series. I've worked with Rolande for many years now and I can truly say that she is one of the most inspiring people I've ever met. Rolande is from the Democratic Republic of Congo and is living currently in Nakivale Refugee Settlement in Uganda. In this episode, she shares her story of how she came to be in Nakivale Refugee Settlement, the challenges of life in a refugee camp a...
Mar 22, 2024•52 min•Ep 126•Transcript available on Metacast Join me in this episode as part of our International Womens' Series to explore how we can speak up for women and climate with Osprey Orielle Lake . Osprey is the founder of Women's Earth and Climate Action Network ( WECAN ) International, leading and inspiring a just transition towards a one-planet, democratised and resilient world. We discuss her new book, ' The Story is in Our Bones: How Worldview and Climate Justice Can Remake a World in Crisis ', diving deep into the impo...
Mar 15, 2024•51 min•Ep 125•Transcript available on Metacast In this second International Women's Series conversation, Clytie Binder joins Morag Gamble in discussing her Churchill Fellowship research on composting and the hyperlocal systems she has observed around the world. Tune in to learn about the importance in 'handmade' composting wherever you are and how it is being used to address the climate crisis. Clare emphasises the need to prioritise household composting and avoid food waste as the first step in the waste hierarchy. She also e...
Mar 07, 2024•49 min•Ep 124•Transcript available on Metacast Tune into this conversation as part of the International Women's Day Series with Helen Lehndorf as we share our deep relationship with nature - finding connection and empowerment in the edible landscape around us. We explore the practice of foraging and the concept of home as a sense of nourishment and connection with the land, discussing the journey of becoming ecologically conscious and the importance of being immersed in nature, in the city or the country. This episode a must listen for ...
Mar 01, 2024•1 hr 13 min•Ep 123•Transcript available on Metacast Tune in for an exploration of sense-making with author, educator, and local government councillor, Leah Rampy . If you're looking for insight into what it means to live in a changing world, the importance of remembering your kinship with the Earth and how to apply this to your daily practices, listen in to this episode. As well representing her local county as a councillor and writing books, Leah lives in a cohousing community, leads a local food initiative called Save Our Soils and runs th...
Feb 15, 2024•52 min•Ep 122•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode, I welcome Ben Moody to explore a systemic way of reversing plastic pollution - a young regenerative entrepreneur with a big vision to clean the seas. Through his innovative business, Seven Clean Seas , Ben has managed to remove over 2 million kilograms of plastic from the ocean by working with a number of countries in Asia, engaging with communities to create positive local employment. He and his partners buy plastic credits from companies - a way to create a systemic solution f...
Jan 28, 2024•41 min•Ep 121•Transcript available on Metacast Are you a teacher, parent or student wondering how permaculture can be related to school? Listen in to this episode, where I welcome Rebecca Leek - an educator weaving permaculture into school systems across England. Permaculture is commonly associated with gardening, but Rebecca shows how it can help our approach to education too. From producing no waste to valuing the marginal, the principles embedded in permaculture can really help shape our schools into places of genuine connection and emerg...
Jan 21, 2024•39 min•Ep 120•Transcript available on Metacast Tune in to this episode with Dr Ruth Backstrom - author, facilitator and public professor - to explore why we need to rethink our democratic political systems, what a new democracy could look like and how we can make it happen. When we talk about politics, we often associated it with the 'us and them' - the distant, polarised landscape we see in the news, and in our discussions with those around us. Instead, Ruth's idea of a new democracy rests on citizen assemblies - a place to m...
Jan 12, 2024•54 min•Ep 119•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode, I welcome Eric Ressler - a digital designer helping social impact organisations myceliate their stories into the world through Design by Cosmic . If you've ever wondered about what goes into the behind-the-scenes of a social action group or wanted to start your own, this is a must-listen! As an organisation designer, Eric goes into the nitty-gritty of what the most important steps for catalysing real world change are - from how to activate people through online platforms to...
Jan 02, 2024•54 min•Ep 118•Transcript available on Metacast Tune in to this episode for a conversation about regenerative business with the fabulous Emily and Josh Prieto - founders of Seeds of Tao , regenerative business educators, world explorers, and homeschooling parents. It was fantastic to chat about their journey into permaculture, moving to Panama, their attraction to regenerative design and how they are applying it to business. We talk about how you can make a permaculture living At the heart of their vision is the integration of permaculture de...
Dec 27, 2023•1 hr•Ep 117•Transcript available on Metacast Join me this episode for an exploration into homeschooling with permaculture author-educator-activist Lucy Legan . I've interviewed Lucy before on this podcast after the release of her book ' Planet Schooling ', a fantastic conversation about re-conceiving what education is for, how she teaches permaculture, has created living learning centres and school gardens plus her process of writing! Now I interview her after the release of her free eBook ' How to Start Homeschooling Y...
Dec 17, 2023•1 hr 23 min•Ep 116•Transcript available on Metacast In this episode, I’m delighted to welcome Robyn Francis - my friend and true permaculture legend. Robyn has been a part of the permaculture movement since the very beginning, working closely with Bill Mollison, and is a leading international permaculture educator. She’s initiated many projects around the world such as Djanbung Gardens , the accredited permaculture design training process, Jarlanbah Ecovillage and the Permaculture International magazine. When I was just starting out as a permacul...
Dec 05, 2023•1 hr 1 min•Ep 115•Transcript available on Metacast In this final episode of our special 2023 Urban Agriculture series, join me as I dive into a new way of approaching change-making and sense-making with William Padilla-Brown . William is a certified permaculture designer, a citizen scientist, urban agriculturalist, mycologist, phycologist, a featured in the film Fantastic Fungi and someone I consider a public professor of mycosymbiotics. It was great to meet William as he is someone I've wanted to interview for a while! Mycosymbiotics is wh...
Nov 28, 2023•1 hr 5 min•Ep 114•Transcript available on Metacast Join me for the 4th episode in our 2023 Urban Agriculture Month series for a deep-dive into the workings of Denver Urban Gardens with executive director, Linda Appel Lipsius . Denver Urban Gardens (DUG) began as a grassroots movement in the late 70s - when a neighbourhood came together to create a space for local women to grow their own food. Now DUG oversees more than 200 community gardens over 34 acres in Denver, including 60 school based community gardens and 19 food forests - impacting tens ...
Nov 21, 2023•43 min•Ep 113•Transcript available on Metacast This episode is part of the Urban Agriculture Month series, so I'm speaking to the wonderful Naomi Lacey - permaculture community gardener and president of Community Gardens Australia (an organisation I helped to start up back in 1995). She's recently returned from a 16 week research fellowship exploring national and regional community garden networks in order to bring back inspiration and lessons to apply back in Australia. Check out her guide on How to Start a Community Garden ! We c...
Nov 14, 2023•44 min•Ep 112•Transcript available on Metacast 
