Fine, Let’s Do What JD Vance Wants: Talk About Immigration

Donald Trump and JD Vance have sparked panic over immigration in Springfield, Ohio. This week, the hosts talk about why our country’s immigration debate is now focused on a distraction instead of the core of the issue.

Plus, Ross is hot and cold about a particular pet obsession.

(A full transcript of this episode will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)

Recommended in this episode:

• "Trump Has Crossed a Truly Unacceptable Line" by Lydia Polgreen
• "What  JD Vance Believes" by Ross Douthat
• “How the Trump Campaign Ran With Rumors About Pet-Eating Migrants — After Being Told They Weren’t True” by Kris Maher, Valerie Bauerlein and Tawnell D. Hobbs in The Wall Street Journal
• The Real ‘Border Czar’ Defends the Biden-Harris Record, “The Ezra Klein Show”
• “Go West” by Lily Lynch in The Baffler
• “Melting Pot or Civil War? A Son of Immigrants Makes the Case Against Open Borders” by Reihan Salam
• “Chimp Crazy" on HBO

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