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A Francis Admirer and a Francis Skeptic Debate the Pope’s Legacy

On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat is joined by the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and the editor of America, to reflect on the legacy of Pope Francis and the challenges facing the next papacy. (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at [email protected] . Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts ...

Apr 24, 2025•58 min

What if There’s No Way to Stop Trump’s Approach to Power?

President Trump may forever reshape the boundaries of executive power. This week on “Interesting Times,” Ross and Jack Goldsmith, who was the head of the White House’s Office of Legal Counsel under President George W. Bush, discuss which cases are most likely to win in the courts and permanently expand the executive branch — for better or worse. 00:02:03 Donald Trump’s “moonshot on executive power” 00:04:16 What has surprised Goldsmith the most 00:06:57 Are we in a constitutional crisis? 00:08:5...

Apr 17, 2025•1 hr 6 min

This Instability May Be Worth It. Here's Why.

Is the short-term economic pain of President Trump’s unpredictable approach to tariffs a reasonable price to pay for a more resilient America? Mr. Trump appears to think so, and so does Oren Cass — sort of. On the first episode of “Interesting Times,” the founder and chief economist of the think tank American Compass joins Ross Douthat to discuss and debate the Trump administration’s drastic trade war. (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at i...

Apr 10, 2025•48 min

Introducing ‘Interesting Times’

There’s a saying that comes to mind these days: May you live in interesting times. It’s understood to be a curse, even though it sounds like a blessing. “Interesting Times With Ross Douthat” is a new weekly podcast from New York Times Opinion. Every Thursday, he will map the new world order through interviews and conversations. Answering questions like: What does our new political era really look like? What is the future of democracy around the world, with American empire in retreat? What happen...

Apr 06, 2025•3 min

How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms

The tech investor Marc Andreessen and his fellow Silicon Valley giant Elon Musk weren’t always the Donald Trump supporters they are today. In this episode, Ross asks Andreessen, a founder of the venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz, about what led to Silicon Valley’s rightward shift and the new agenda of the tech-right faction. Editors’ note: This episode originally aired on the “Matter of Opinion” podcast on Jan. 17, 2025. (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website...

Apr 06, 2025•1 hr 3 min

Steve Bannon on ‘Broligarchs’ vs. Populism

In this conversation, Ross talks to Steve Bannon, the chief strategist from Donald Trump’s first term and part of the original MAGA movement. Despite his clashes with new factions emerging in the Republican Party, Bannon argues that Trump is still central to advancing a populist agenda. Editors’ note: This episode originally aired on the “Matter of Opinion” podcast on Jan. 31, 2025. (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nyti...

Apr 06, 2025•1 hr 12 min

The Anti-D.E.I. Crusader Who Wants to Dismantle the Department of Education

Christopher Rufo brought the term "critical race theory" into mainstream conversation. Now, the anti-DEI activist is bringing his critiques of education to the White House. In this episode, Ross explores Rufo's mission to make universities feel "existential terror." Editors’ note: This episode originally aired on the “Matter of Opinion” podcast on Mar. 7, 2025. (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at [email protected] . Unlock full ...

Apr 06, 2025•1 hr 5 min

Tom Friedman: Trump Is a ‘Small Man in a Big Time’

President Trump has been operating with complete impunity and disregard for American institutions. In this episode of “The Opinions,” the Times Opinion deputy editor Patrick Healy and the columnist Thomas L. Friedman discuss the repercussions of such behavior on America’s national and international policy. This episode originally aired in "The Opinions" feed on Mar. 20. For more episodes like this, follow "The Opinions" wherever you get your podcasts. Unlock full access to New York Times podcast...

Mar 22, 2025•20 min

Three Opinion Writers on Trump’s First 50 Days

In this episode of "The Opinions," Michelle Goldberg and Frank Bruni join Patrick Healy to discuss what has defined Trump’s presidency thus far. This episode originally aired in "The Opinions" feed on Mar. 12. For more episodes like this, follow "The Opinions" wherever you get your podcasts. (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcas...

Mar 14, 2025•30 min