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Burn Wild

BBC Radio 5 Livewww.bbc.co.uk

For more than a decade two mugshots of fugitive environmentalists have sat amongst airplane hijackers, bombers and murders on the FBI’s Most Wanted Domestic Terrorists list. One of the photos is of a tall, hipster looking engineer from Seattle. He’s wearing a red shirt, has a light shadowy beard. His name: Joseph Mahmoud Dibee. The other photo is of a young white woman with thick eyebrows, piercing brown eyes and long brown hair. Across her back is a large tattoo: a bird with its wings outstretched, soaring. Her name: Josephine Sunshine Overaker. To the authorities, Joseph Mahmoud Dibee and Josephine Sunshine Overaker are dangerous, violent extremists, part of an eco-terrorist movement that in 2005 the then Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI called the number one domestic terror threat in America. And now one of them - Joseph Dibee - has been caught. For the past eighteen months journalist Leah Sottile has been recording with Joe Dibee as his case progresses through the courts and as she works to understand the truth behind the mugshots and how they ended up here. Burn Wild is a story of radical environmentalism and morality that journeys into one of the most thorny and murky questions of our time: How far is too far to go to stop the planet burning? Answering this will take Leah and producer Georgia Catt into radical activist communities past and present on both sides of the Atlantic, amongst people who’ve spent their lives running from the authorities, and those who carry the weight of that word - terrorist - on their shoulders. In this story people will take away very different things on what they hear, but where you sit isn’t a question of the past. It’s a question of right now. CREDITS Presenter: Leah Sottile Producer: Georgia Catt Written by: Leah Sottile and Georgia Catt Fact Checking: Rob Byrne Music and Sound Design: Phil Channell Music including theme music by Echo Collective, composed performed and produced by Neil Leiter & Margaret Hermant; recorded, mixed and produced by Fabien Leseure Artwork by Danny Crossley with Art Direction by Amy Fullalove Script recorded and mixed by Slater Swan at Anjuna Recording Studio Series Mixing and Studio Engineer: Sarah Hockley Editor: Philip Sellars Assistant Commissioner: Natasha Johansson Commissioner: Dylan Haskins Burn Wild is a BBC Audio Documentaries Production for BBC Sounds and BBC Radio 5 Live.

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Episodes

Episode 8-and-a-half: Extraordinary collateral consequences

An update on Joseph Mahmoud Dibee, who on November 1st 2022 was sentenced. CREDITS Presenter: Leah Sottile Producer: Georgia Catt Written by: Leah Sottile and Georgia Catt Music and Sound Design: Phil Channell Music including theme music by Echo Collective, composed performed and produced by Neil Leiter & Margaret Hermant; recorded, mixed and produced by Fabien Leseure Voiceover actor: Chloe Beeney Artwork by Danny Crossley with Art Direction by Amy Fullalove Script recorded and mixed by Sla...

Nov 10, 202221 min

Episode 8: Just like the rest of us

Joe Dibee, an alleged eco-terrorist, unexpectedly changes his plea to guilty for the Cavill West slaughterhouse arson, revealing details of the chaotic night for the first time. The episode also features an interview with Elspeth Overacre Faye, mother of fugitive Josephine Sunshine Overacre, who discusses her own activist past and challenges the FBI's portrayal of her daughter. It explores the effectiveness of radical environmental action and the ongoing dilemma of how far is too far to protect the planet.

Oct 25, 202253 min

Episode 7: When the Fed met the Radical. Again.

This episode brings together retired FBI agent Jane Quimby and ex-Earth Liberation Front member Chelsea Gerlach for an unprecedented conversation, exploring their shared environmental concerns despite their opposing pasts. Jane surprisingly admits to political pressure influencing the 'terrorist' designation, leading to reflections on the fairness of Chelsea's nine-year sentence. Concurrently, the episode checks in with Joe Debay, another fugitive awaiting trial, highlighting his deep connection to nature, the personal toll of isolation, and his unwavering conviction in environmental direct action. The episode culminates in a hopeful dialogue on bridging societal polarization and assessing the true impact of radical environmentalism.

Oct 18, 202241 min

Episode 6: The Line

The episode revisits the site of a 1996 ELF arson in Detroit, Oregon, a town recently devastated by wildfires, highlighting the ongoing debate about effective environmental action. It delves into the history of radical activism, including the Earth Liberation Front and their "no harm" policy, before exploring the non-violent mass civil disobedience of Extinction Rebellion. The discussion covers criticisms of various approaches, the personal tolls on activists, and the deep divisions between environmental groups and impacted communities, asking where the line for action should now be drawn.

Oct 11, 202251 min

Episode 5: The centre of the story

Leah and Georgia visit Eugene, Oregon, a nexus for key figures and ideas in radical environmentalism, to investigate the influence of the Unabomber Ted Kaczynski on the movement. They uncover sealed letters and meet local anarchists, including the "Sunshine" behind a counterculture tea house, who unexpectedly sheds light on a cryptic note. The episode explores the evolving debate among activists regarding the definition and effectiveness of violent versus non-violent protest tactics in the face of environmental crises.

Oct 04, 202241 min

Episode 4: Ghosts and myths

The episode explores the complex term "eco-terrorist," examining its historical application to groups like the Earth Liberation Front. It follows the stories of fugitives Josephine Sunshine Overaker and Joe DeBay, detailing Joe's life on the run and subsequent capture. The hosts investigate the emotional and legal repercussions for activists, highlighting the impact of "terrorism enhancements" on sentencing and cooperation. The discussion also critiques the subjective nature of the "terrorist" label, influenced by industry lobbying, and draws parallels to contemporary environmental protests and evolving protest laws.

Sep 27, 202258 min

Episode 3: The case of Sunshine

The episode focuses on Josephine "Sunshine" Overacre, an Earth Liberation Front member who has evaded the FBI for over 17 years, and the agent dedicated to her capture. It explores the deeply divided opinions surrounding eco-terrorism, interviewing former activists, local victims of ELF arsons, and FBI agents. The narrative also examines how the 9/11 attacks dramatically redefined the perception and prosecution of domestic terrorism, highlighting the controversial and subjective application of the "terrorist" label to actions involving property damage rather than loss of life.

Sep 20, 202251 min

Episode 2: The Family

Journalist Leah Sottile delves into the story of Joseph Dibee, an eco-terrorist fugitive from the FBI's most wanted list, exploring his capture and the radical environmental movement known as "The Family." The episode examines how individuals like Dibee and Daniel McGowan became radicalized, detailing key actions such as the Warner Creek blockade and the Cavill West horse slaughterhouse arson. It also raises questions about what truly defines terrorism in the context of property damage versus violence against people.

Sep 13, 202250 min

Episode 1: The Elves are watching

An underground group of radical environmentalists become a domestic terror priority. Then two go on the run. And this series goes in an unexpected direction. CREDITS Presenter: Leah Sottile Producer: Georgia Catt Written by: Leah Sottile and Georgia Catt Fact Checking: Rob Byrne Music and Sound Design: Phil Channell Music including theme music by Echo Collective, composed performed and produced by Neil Leiter & Margaret Hermant; recorded, mixed and produced by Fabien Leseure Artwork by Danny...

Sep 06, 202246 min

Introducing: Burn Wild

For over a decade, a pair of mugshots have lived side by side on the FBI’s website, on its list of America’s Most Wanted Domestic Terrorists. The government says these fugitives were part of an eco-terrorist movement that in 2005 the then Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI called the number one domestic terrorism threat in America. And now one of them has been caught. For the past eighteen months journalist Leah Sottile and producer Georgia Catt have been recording with him across a case that ...

Aug 30, 20225 min
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