Episode description

In 2021, a trio of retired U.S. military generals co-authored an opinion piece in the Washington Post. It warned that what happened on January 6, 2021, would happen again — that America must prepare for another coup attempt in the aftermath of the 2024 election, one they predicted will have more help and coordination from members of the U.S. military. But how can the nation be prepared for more political violence aided by those who are supposed to protect it?

A group of veterans decided to run a simulation. It assigned unscripted roles to elected officials, government agents and military personnel to examine how they would coordinate on a strategy to diffuse a violent insurrection in 2025. Their work was documented in real-time and presented in a chilling film called “War Game,” which is making the rounds on the festival circuit.

In this episode, host Kai Wright gets a call to speak with Tony Gerber and Jesse Moss, the co-directors of “War Game,” and with Janessa Goldbeck, CEO of Vet Voice Foundation and a producer of the documentary. They talk about the real world challenge of radical extremism within the military and what resources the U.S. government has to employ to counter an attempt at overthrowing American democracy.

Perhaps you’ve noticed: the news is newsing in overdrive lately. Notes from America is meeting the moment with an extra podcast drop on Thursdays like this one. It's a pop-up series of conversations about politics, voters and democracy right now that we're calling “On the Call."

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