[Episode 150] - Dr. Susan Friedman & Ryan Cartlidge; Off the perch part 2
Jul 05, 2021•1 hr 14 min•Transcript available on Metacast ![[Episode 150] - Dr. Susan Friedman & Ryan Cartlidge; Off the perch part 2 - podcast episode cover](https://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/8/b/d/b/8bdb740b695a2ad227a2322813b393ee/Susan_Friedman_2_-_Thumbnail.jpg)
