Episode description

This week the hosts discuss what was obscured by the civility of the V.P. debate, and consider what JD Vance and Tim Walz really offer their running mates and their parties’ futures.

Plus, Michelle won’t be washing away her stresses any time soon.

(A full transcript of this episode will be available within 24 hours of publication on the Times website.)

Recommended in this episode:

• ‘There’s a Trap Here’: Four Columnists Brace for the Vance-Walz Debate by David Brooks, Ross Douthat, Tressie McMillan Cottom and Pamela Paul

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