Episode description

President-elect Trump’s cabinet nominees and major appointments — which have arrived quickly in the days since he won the election — are more than just a list of allies. The roster is a window into how he sees the mission of a second term.

One priority will be immigration and border control, and, more specifically, Trump’s campaign promise of “mass deportations.”

On Sunday night, Trump announced the person he was putting in charge of this effort: Tom Homan.

Homan was the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement during the first Trump administration, and he played a key role in the family separation policy.

Back in March 2023, we went to see Homan speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference, known as CPAC. After his panel, we sat down to discuss his views on the border and how he and Trump might institute their preferred policies, like mass deportation, if given the chance.

Which of course, they now have been.

On today’s show, that candid interview from 2023 with Tom Homan, and a possible glimpse at our immigration future.

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