Episode description

As negotiations to end the Ukraine war rumble on, Donald Trump seems equally interested in talking about the past, repeatedly claiming that the US has given much more aid to Ukraine than Europe has, and that Europe’s aid took the form of a loan that they’ll be getting back.

Emmanuel Macron has publicly contradicted the US President - so who’s correct?

Nathan Gower speaks to Taro Nishikawa, project lead at the Kiel Institute’s Ukraine Support Tracker to get the true picture.

Presenter / Producer: Nathan Gower Editor: Richard Vadon Sound Engineer: James Beard