Episode description

Hello from Philly! 

This week, Andy joins us for one of Tammy’s last eps as a host of TTSG. 🥲 After catching up on dog COVID, [6:10] we discuss how China’s historical self-identification as a vanguard of the Third World has given way, through decades of technological and economic growth, to a more general anti-West position. [29:00] We also reflect on the various pockets of U.S. public opinion on Gaza and Zionism, from Andy’s college students to our elected officials (and their press secretaries). [53:30] Finally, we debate whether the term “barbaric” has been selectively applied since October 7, along with larger questions of media bias. 

In this episode, we ask: 

Where does China’s relatively strong support of Palestine come from, and is it actually as strong as it seems? 

How does the movement for a free Palestine fit into the idea of what it means to be a good leftist? 

Should media outlets rethink when to publish gruesome images of victims of violence? 

For more, see: 

* Times coverage of the Biden-Xi Summit (and Blinken’s reaction to a Biden gaffe) 

* More on the three young Palestinian American students who were shot in Vermont, the NYU doctor who was fired over his racist social media posts, and the friendship between a Palestinian and a pro-Israel chef in Philly that has soured

* Words from Lydia Polgreen and from Jay on the question of publishing graphic photos of children killed in Gaza 

Reminder: Tammy is hosting a virtual TTSG book club meeting for subscribers tonight at 5pm PST // 8pm EST (9am in Shanghai) with cartoonist, illustrator, and Discord OG Jillian Tamaki! We’ll get some BTS insight from Jillian on the graphic novel she just published with her cousin and co-author, Mariko Tamaki, Roaming. You can find the Zoom info on Discord or in this post! 

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