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Hannah Apricot Eckberg, the editor of Permaculture Magazine, North America, joins me to share her role in the creation and launch of the latest North American permaculture periodical. Along the way, we talk about how permaculture practitioners, especially media producers whether they are publishers or podcasters, can engage in some cooperatition, a friendly form of cooperative competition, and cooperation to strengthen the community and our own individual work. That there is room for more producers.