Episode description

Tamay Besiroglu joins the podcast to discuss scaling, AI capabilities in 2030, breakthroughs in AI agents and planning, automating work, the uncertainties of investing in AI, and scaling laws for inference-time compute. Here's the report we discuss in the episode:  

https://epochai.org/blog/can-ai-scaling-continue-through-2030  

Timestamps: 

00:00 How important is scaling?  

08:03 How capable will AIs be in 2030?  

18:33 AI agents, reasoning, and planning 

23:39 Automating coding and mathematics  

31:26 Uncertainty about investing in AI 

40:34 Gap between investment and returns  

45:30 Compute, software and data 

51:54 Inference-time compute 

01:08:49 Returns to software R&D  

01:19:22 Limits to expanding compute