Have you ever considered the font needs of monsters‽ Josh and Kyle are tasked with that very thing in this special Halloween episode as they go about designing business cards for things that go bump in the night. They also encounter headless "S"s, sans-serif existential crises, techy-blobby fonts, and Ancient Roman mummies. And just as long as they don't hear a distant clown horn, they should be fine. Uh oh, Fluffles is right behind me, isn't he...? Font releases highlighted ...
Oct 27, 2022•42 min•Ep 21•Transcript available on Metacast Can type design ever be considered dangerous‽ The guys tackle the idea that designs that "push the boundaries" can sometimes go too far and become stupid or even dangerous. Josh shares a story from high school to help prove this point, a story that Kyle thankfully survives. Before all this, Kyle tells us all about the conference (festival) he attended, a deep look into how technology, coding, augmented reality, and AI are aiding typography into the future. Before we get too far, though...
Oct 20, 2022•31 min•Ep 20•Transcript available on Metacast What could be better than two typography podcasts for the price of one‽ Josh and Kyle team up with Micah Rich and Olivia Kane from The League of Moveable Type's Weekly Typographic and have a rollicking conversation through the Olympics, Italian fashion, and, what else, Future Fonts. Our Interro-couple has finally become an Interrogang, and if anyone out there can figure out how to make an ampersand with their fingers, please let us know... Font releases highlighted in this episode: NaN Tres...
Oct 12, 2022•49 min•Ep 19•Transcript available on Metacast Can you engage with typography using all five of your senses‽ Kyle takes us on a fantastic voyage through the senses of the human body, exploring far-reaching realms of typography though smell, taste, sight, touch, and sound. Josh has a great idea for a partnership with Stomp (patent pending), Bailey the cat calls our bluff, and things sometimes get a little creepy in this accidentally Halloween-themed episode. Well, not as creepy as when you lick your computer... Font releases highlighted in th...
Oct 08, 2022•38 min•Ep 18•Transcript available on Metacast Can you describe what a font looks like from the name alone‽ Josh and Kyle see if they can with mixed results. Font names can be weird and Eklektyk, leave you feeling Wild or like a Hopeless Diamond, or even give you inspiration for naming your children. A Zombie Punk by any other name would smell as sweet... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Carolinéale from Pampatype Writer from Pangram Pangram Landform from Process Type Foundry Typefaces we all should set our resumes in: Facebuster C...
Sep 27, 2022•47 min•Ep 17•Transcript available on Metacast Is there such a thing as a "foundry groupie"‽ Josh and Kyle hang out in the typographic green room and talk about foundries that set themselves up as one-stop shops and how often font buyers only look to one foundry for all their font buying needs. But first, it's story time with Kyle, and his parable leads the guys to the “Goldilocks Zone”, the just right, sweet spot for the number of font styles per family. It also teaches us that terriers know plenty about typography... Font re...
Sep 22, 2022•34 min•Ep 16•Transcript available on Metacast Is there a difference between boring and bad design‽ The guys try to keep things good and exciting while realizing that boring design might just be the backbone of typography and bad design can sometimes be a catalyst of innovation. Kyle talks chairs and Josh descends the NYC Subway into chaos. Little does Kyle know, but he's getting a balloon chair for Christmas... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Goldich from Bold Monday Ergon from Commercial Type Field Gothic from Signal Type C...
Sep 13, 2022•34 min•Ep 15•Transcript available on Metacast What did we miss over summer break‽ Kyle guides us through several of the best font releases from the summer of '22 while Josh tries not to get in the way. Kyle commits acts of physical prowess and Josh doesn't know much about the city he lives in. At least we finally found out where XYZ Type got inspiration for their name... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Fang from Matthijs Herzberg Ohno Casual from Ohno Type Co Racine from Coppers and Brasses Glyptic DJR from Font of the ...
Sep 09, 2022•25 min•Transcript available on Metacast Why is it so hard to find out who designed a font‽ Josh can't always find a designer listed when a font is released and finds this baffling. He's on a crusade to see designers listed, and he wants names! We may never know who designed all the fonts, but at least there will always be Future Fonts to bring us home... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Canicule Display from Kostas Bartosokas on Future Fonts BB Modern from Colophon Foundry Our picks for best releases from the summe...
Sep 08, 2022•31 min•Ep 14•Transcript available on Metacast Ever talk to someone who's using the word "lettering" when they should be saying "type"‽ Kyle serves as judge, jury, and dictionary this week to clarify some of the most common wording mix-ups in type. Readability or legibility? Font or typeface? Understanding the difference matters! Maybe. Kyle then turns the Interrogang into its own Chuckle Hut as the guys submit Andrew (and, by extension, you) to their best typography jokes. You'd better laugh, or else you might ...
Jun 29, 2022•36 min•Ep 13•Transcript available on Metacast Isn't it just better to talk about type in-person‽ The guys are excited to be recording from the same room for the first time, and they take that energy to talk about the joys of discussing and taking in type when we are together and not always engaging with each other over a screen. Kyle gesticulates with typographic enthusiasm and Josh admits to asking dumb questions. But if Josh can learn this much about type, then there should be hope for us all... Font releases highlighted in this epis...
Jun 24, 2022•26 min•Ep 12•Transcript available on Metacast Be honest: how do you really feel about Helvetica and Arial‽ If your answer is a hot take, then this episode is for you! It's Typographic Hot Takes Round 2! Kyle poses some of the most controversial opinions in the type world today to see how Josh feels about them. We learn that we shouldn't have passed kindergarten, Josh is a robot, and we all make mistakes in our twenties. We are pro-Blackletter and anti-Geometric Sans, however hot those takes may or may not be... Font releases highl...
Jun 15, 2022•36 min•Ep 11•Transcript available on Metacast Can you tell the difference between the description of a font and the description of a bottle of wine‽ Josh puts Kyle to the test in a game of "Font or Fine Wine" and may have accidentally ended Kyle's type career. The guys also discuss how having strict parameters can help or hinder your work flow and how ligatures can give creepy backrubs. But what are ligatures if not images of ourselves, and what are we if not images of God...? Font releases highlighted in this episode: Dwight...
Jun 07, 2022•36 min•Ep 10•Transcript available on Metacast Do you feel relevant when it comes to the fonts you create‽ We all strive to see ourselves in our work, but we want other people to like it too, of course! Kyle ponders what the point of it all is, but Josh is too worried about his elderly eyesight. What is more important, who designs the fonts or who the fonts are designed for? It may be an unanswerable question, just like, "did Kyle really catch that foul ball?"... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Ghost from Sharp Type Apri...
May 17, 2022•33 min•Ep 9•Transcript available on Metacast What is the Interrogang without Kyle‽ Well, we'd rather not find out. Kyle is away this week, so Josh curates some deleted scenes from this season to tide us all over until Kyle returns. There are metaphors aplenty, what could possibly go wrong? The metaphors may get away from us sometimes, but we can't stop, won't stop making them... Subscribe to the Weekly Newsletter at proofco.xyz to get all the latest type news and notes from your friends at Proof&Co! Please take a moment ...
May 10, 2022•10 min•Transcript available on Metacast Where is that artistic feedback that we all so crave‽ It's time to go back to school, but don't worry, this week's episode is an easy A. Josh enrolls us all in Earth University and tries to find you the perfect minor to complement your graphic design major. Then the guys talk about all the feedback we used to receive about our design work, but can't seem to find much of these days. It was all so much easier in school, but there is hope for a brighter, more constructive critic...
May 03, 2022•35 min•Ep 8•Transcript available on Metacast Do you ever feel like you don't get enough credit for your type work‽ Josh and Kyle would like to give you the credit you deserve, seeing as attribution in the type world seems, well, to not really be a thing. Kyle seeks world peace through type and Josh thinks some recent fonts have let themselves go. But really, where is the zazz...? Font releases highlighted in this episode: Hex Franklin from Hex Foundry Mori from Pangram Pangram Sligoil from Velvetyne Type Foundry Ways that fonts in 202...
Apr 26, 2022•35 min•Ep 7•Transcript available on Metacast Have you ever been worried about sacrificing your artistic principles for a job‽ Josh and Kyle tackle the idea of "selling out" in type and realize that it may simultaneously be inevitable and not really a problem in type. But first, Josh jumps to the defense of the type consumer and keeps the dream of superfamilies alive while Kyle yearns for a day when variable fonts are more universally accessible. This episode is dedicated to (but not sponsored by) all those hard-working independen...
Apr 12, 2022•33 min•Ep 6•Transcript available on Metacast Where can you turn when you don't know when to use a certain font‽ Let's Google it! Kyle runs through a bunch of new releases and turns to Josh (because there was no one else around) to help us all define what makes a font superfamily "super". Then the guys return to everyone's favorite search engine for font usage advice and find, shall we say, inconclusive results. At least Google was kind to Comic Sans... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Fig Grotesk from Typ...
Apr 05, 2022•39 min•Ep 5•Transcript available on Metacast Don't you think that with great fonts comes great responsibility‽ In the releases this week, we are transported to a California drum circle, take a look at something just slightly fancier than what you've seen before, and find a font that is a quirky neutral sans. Then, Josh wants to know how many fonts is too many fonts to use in a single design, and Kyle has some examples of "the power of type", how typography is used for social good in the world. And we're still waiti...
Mar 29, 2022•30 min•Ep 4•Transcript available on Metacast Do you remember your earliest interaction with typography‽ While a love of typography may have crept its way into your heart over time, it probably was in spite of your time getting an education instead of because of it. Times New Roman, 12pt, double-spaced, or else! Josh and Kyle break down why we were so typographically boxed in in our youth and dream of a future that can provide some room for personal flair in school papers. Until then, Kyle's gonna go work on his handwriting... Font rel...
Mar 22, 2022•34 min•Ep 3•Transcript available on Metacast What should happen to the fonts of days gone by‽ The guys first look to the stars and hope to find some answers from fonts named after their astrological signs. Finding no luck there, they decide it's time to hang it up and discuss font retirement. With all these new type releases, Kyle posits that it may be time to take some fonts off the market to make way. Josh worries that that might lead to typographic murder, but admits sometimes it's just best to move on. Classic Gemini... Font ...
Mar 15, 2022•32 min•Ep 2•Transcript available on Metacast How big of a head do you need to make it as a type designer‽ It's Season Two, and Josh and Kyle kick it off with some early 2022 releases and dream about which typeface they would want to spend the rest of their lives with (don't tell their wives). Then, they attempt to check their egos at the door and explore how much self-confidence aids or hinders the design process. And as a PSA, remember, if you plan to woo a font, always practice safe typography... Font releases highlighted in th...
Mar 09, 2022•30 min•Ep 1•Transcript available on Metacast What are your typography New Year's resolutions‽ The guys look back at the year that was 2021 and then ahead to the year that supposedly will be 2022 and make some predictions for the world of type. Along the way, Kyle makes up some words and Josh realizes that if you love mispronouncing font names, you have to let it go. Ah well, onward and upward! Just as long as we all tone down the wispy bits... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Elevator and Escalator from XYZ Type Affairs from...
Dec 28, 2021•40 min•Ep 30•Transcript available on Metacast What gift do you get for the typographer who has everything‽ It's the holiday season and Kyle is here to serve as elf and provide gift ideas. Spotify tries to ruin our Christmas cheer, but the guys won't let that typography Grinch get them down. And Josh makes us all grateful that there aren't 13 days of Christmas... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Retail from Ohno Type Co Teranoptia from Tunera Type Foundry Plikato from Underware Iota from Type Supply New foundries hig...
Dec 17, 2021•32 min•Ep 29•Transcript available on Metacast Have you noticed the wave of new fonts recently‽ Josh and Kyle attempt to surf over the rash of new fonts that have been released over the past few weeks and wonder if we are able to adequately appreciate them all. There is also talk of jugglers and robots taking over type design, how to make your typefaces stand out in a crowd, and separating the wheat from the chaff, for some reason. And while Josh has lost track of how many Pokémon there are, at least he does remember that one episode of I Lo...
Nov 27, 2021•36 min•Ep 28•Transcript available on Metacast Can we find a unifying theory of typography if we all experience type differently‽ Spoiler alert: we don’t think so. But first there’s a petition for a “snark mark” on behalf of a loyal listener, Josh wants this conversation to be Dunzo, and Kyle brings the crinkle fries. Then the guys discuss colonialism, accessibility, and the different buckets we are in when we approach type design. But in the end, Josh is too pessimistic even for an “optimism” punctuation mark… Font releases highlighted in t...
Nov 16, 2021•30 min•Ep 27•Transcript available on Metacast Our physical universe is ever expanding, but can the type universe keep up‽ Kyle steps up to the chalkboard and guides us through how we can better educate ourselves and the "yoots" in typography, and Josh overstates the greatest atrocity of our time, but all he really wants is a more expansive library of punctuation marks. Now, be honest, you really never got away with writing a paper in 12.1 font? Maybe there should be a doubt mark at the end of that sentence... Join the revolution! ...
Nov 10, 2021•32 min•Ep 26•Transcript available on Metacast If time makes fools of us all, what can we learn from fonts gone by‽ Back from TypeCon, Josh and Kyle ponder the arrow of time in type and think it’s high time for us to be more playful, which is what we all want anyway, admit it. Josh wants us to enjoy each other’s failures more than we currently do and Kyle has a recommendation for your next tattoo. We’ll just see what the arrow of time does to that tattoo… See you at the Monster Mash! Font releases highlighted in this episode: Astronef Super ...
Nov 02, 2021•27 min•Ep 25•Transcript available on Metacast Weren't you just thinking that you were ready for some bonus typography hot takes‽ Josh and Kyle were busy at TypeCon 2021 this week, so we've prepared a bonus episode, in which you'll hear the first ever pass at an Interrogang recording as well as a few more typographic hot takes. It may be a short episode, but the soul of typography is at stake! And finally, the scourge of typography is brought into the light on this podcast: kerning... Join us every week for a shot of type news...
Oct 26, 2021•12 min•Ep 24•Transcript available on Metacast 
