How can we escape being paralyzed by the burden of choice‽ Josh and Kyle weigh all their options and eventually decide to discuss how having more choices doesn’t always make us better. Kyle deals with duality in this week’s releases and Josh continues to wish we didn’t have to subject ourselves to Twitter. Then the guys wonder why the advent of digital type hasn’t led to a whole new type landscape and they realize that there is value to gathering data on people doing nothing. Two! (Just seeing w...
Oct 19, 2021•34 min•Ep 23•Transcript available on Metacast Can anyone truly be a "Jack-of-all-trades"‽ Josh and Kyle come to terms with the fact that there will always be things they are bad at, but that's ok, there is plenty of other stuff they're good at, like juggling. Kyle strategically seeks out new skills and Josh compares a certain aspect of type design to getting a colonoscopy. And despite the example set by our hosts, remember that it's wrong to lie on a resume... Font releases highlighted in this episode: Tarnac from S...
Oct 05, 2021•28 min•Ep 22•Transcript available on Metacast Are you ready for some typography hot takes‽ There are a bunch of new releases this week, but Kyle takes time to bring up some of type’s hottest takes and Josh unveils which side he comes down on (most of the time). Tempers flare over how revolutionary Helvetica could possibly be, Kyle wants to stop pitting sans vs. serif, and Josh would have you pay by the pixel. We have hot takes on hot takes and you’re just along for the ride… Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversati...
Sep 28, 2021•38 min•Ep 21•Transcript available on Metacast Aren't we all a snob about something‽ Josh and Kyle look down their respective noses for a little while and reveal what they are snobs about. Josh thinks you should read more books and Kyle rejects your red solo cup, but hopefully they aren't being too obnoxious. Should we be bigger snobs about typography? Can we help it? Let's see what happens when you add those extraneous serifs... Also, an important PSA on the use of the word "content". Don't be content with &quo...
Sep 21, 2021•34 min•Ep 20•Transcript available on Metacast Can we turn to Google to adequately answer our font questions‽ Kyle drops some names, picks them up, then invites them to a dinner party, and Josh does the minimum amount of work to quiz Kyle on how Google guides our font needs. Most importantly, the best advice this podcast has to offer is dispensed for the next time you need to quit your job... Editor's Note: Kyle cheated a bit during the Dinner Party game, he counted the Stephenson Blake foundry as one person. We're just gonna have ...
Sep 08, 2021•34 min•Ep 19•Transcript available on Metacast Isn’t it all just fun and games until somebody loses an “i”‽ Josh and Kyle find their playful side and wonder if there’s enough fun in their creative processes. Then they discuss the limitations you put on yourself that might keep you from finding this sense of play within your work, especially when you seek perfection. Kyle feels like he is “shoulding” himself too much, which isn’t as upsetting as it sounds. All this while bearing the weight of history…. This episode is dedicated to the men and...
Aug 31, 2021•33 min•Ep 18•Transcript available on Metacast Are emojis typography‽ Josh and Kyle throw down over whether or not emojis are under the typography umbrella and discuss when it is inappropriate to use emojis in everyday life. Along the way, you may even get some beatboxing advice... It was the best of emojis, it was the worst of emojis. Make sure to follow us on Twitter at @proof_and_co for follow up on this episode! Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphi...
Aug 25, 2021•30 min•Ep 17•Transcript available on Metacast How many stars does a sensible serif deserve anyway‽ Josh and Kyle rate and review the idea of a rate and review process for new type releases. Would this be a benefit to designers or just supply a new venue for unnecessary, opinionated vitriol? Plus, Josh rejects “postmodern” as a descriptor and attempts to coin its replacement, ever forward into the supernow! Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design,...
Jul 14, 2021•29 min•Ep 16•Transcript available on Metacast Have you seen the Wizard about some courage‽ Josh and Kyle close their eyes, take a leap, and jump into discussing what kind of bravery it takes to make it in a creative field. Can you play it safe and still succeed, or do you need to engage in some risky behavior to get on people's radar? How is creative courage different in type? We narrowly escape discussing Yentl and explain how risk-taking can break your back. As a bonus, this episode includes "Hey Jude" like you've neve...
Jul 06, 2021•33 min•Ep 15•Transcript available on Metacast How can I quit when I’ve put so much time into this‽ Josh and Kyle sink into the Sunk Cost Fallacy and want you all to know it’s ok to be a quitter. We also look for inspiration via dog defecation. And sorry Iceland, you’re no longer in the universe… Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Proof&Co Weekly Newsletter as a jumping off point ...
Jun 29, 2021•27 min•Ep 14•Transcript available on Metacast Are all type rules meant to be broken‽ The internet sure doesn't think so... Josh and Kyle weigh the pros and cons to breaking typography's written and unwritten rules through the lens of interesting (read: questionable) movie font decisions. And remember, always double or triple brace your heavier fonts. ♫Wild, wild quirkhorses Couldn't drag me away♫ Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic de...
Jun 22, 2021•30 min•Ep 13•Transcript available on Metacast If you could snap your fingers and make 50% of all fonts disappear, would you‽ Josh and Kyle assemble to marvel at this conundrum and its tremendous ramifications. In the meantime, Josh encourages you to go stare at your clocks... Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Proof&Co Weekly Newsletter as a jumping off point each week which you ...
Jun 14, 2021•29 min•Ep 12•Transcript available on Metacast Why can't we all just do the work we want to do‽ Now that the world is opening up again, Josh and Kyle are ready to get ambitious again. We all have to keep our audience in the back of our minds when we design, but who we create typography for matters! And if you've got a Pandora's box of fonts to unleash on the world, go for it, what could possibly go wrong‽ Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, gr...
Jun 08, 2021•27 min•Ep 11•Transcript available on Metacast Do we have to be good salespeople to be good designers‽ Josh and Kyle go door-to-door and grapple with the difficulties of having to sell yourself and your creations in order to make it as a type designer. And just in time, Kyle’s Go Fever just broke... Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Proof&Co Weekly Newsletter as a jumping off poi...
Jun 01, 2021•24 min•Ep 10•Transcript available on Metacast What could possibly make a typeface lawful, chaotic, or just downright evil‽ Josh and Kyle get caught up in the epic struggle between font good and evil and classify some typefaces using role-playing game personalities as a guide. Chaos ensues, but only because that's a requirement of the game... Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Pr...
May 24, 2021•47 min•Ep 9•Transcript available on Metacast Typographic war: what is it good for‽ Josh and Kyle wrestle with the pros, cons, and economics of creative competition in typography. Unless this was all a typographic fever dream... Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Proof&Co Weekly Newsletter as a jumping off point each week which you can subscribe to at proofco.xyz. You'll be ...
May 10, 2021•26 min•Ep 8•Transcript available on Metacast Have we gone too far conducting experiments with fonts‽ Josh and Kyle discuss the ramifications of trying something new and ponder the pros and cons to showing your type design experiments to the public. Also, Microsoft Office is getting a typefacelift. Please excuse Josh’s audio, we had some technical issues with his microphone this week. Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creati...
May 03, 2021•27 min•Ep 7•Transcript available on Metacast Shouldn’t every font have an Arcade style‽ Josh and Kyle wonder if there are rules around creative inspiration, get retro with video game-ready fonts, and fall down the ink trap well. Includes part 2 of the Originality discussion. Babyfat Foozle Arcade everybody! Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Proof&Co Weekly Newsletter as a jumpi...
Apr 27, 2021•22 min•Ep 6•Transcript available on Metacast Are there really people out there who don't know what typography is‽ Josh and Kyle dig a bit deeper in what it means to "bridge the gap" between type people and non-type people and they can't help but get a little Spuk-y, all day long. Also, Kyle handles a deer carcass situation in his yard (or does he?). Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more!...
Apr 19, 2021•28 min•Ep 5•Transcript available on Metacast Could it be that we are all running out of original ideas‽ Josh and Kyle begin a big conversation on originality (so big in fact, we couldn’t fit everything in this episode, part two coming in the next few weeks) and Josh’s dog insists on being interviewed. ♫So no Joey, no cry No Joey, no cry I say, oh little oh little doggie, don't shed no tears No Joey, no cry♫ Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic ...
Apr 12, 2021•22 min•Ep 4•Transcript available on Metacast What did Garamond ever do to you‽ Josh and Kyle break some old news about the US Court of Appeals banning the well-liked serif font and Kyle reveals his honest opinions of some of history’s most infamous fonts on this week's episode of the Interrogang Podcast. Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Proof&Co Weekly Newsletter as a jum...
Apr 05, 2021•25 min•Ep 3•Transcript available on Metacast Forget Darwin's finches, isn't the evolution of fonts what we all care about‽ Josh and Kyle discuss the importance of type evolving over time and Josh is reminded of how cool he is not. Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Proof&Co Weekly Newsletter as a jumping off point each week which you can subscribe to at proofco.xyz. Yo...
Mar 29, 2021•23 min•Ep 2•Transcript available on Metacast Wouldn't it be great if accepting cookies on a website came with ACTUAL cookies‽ Josh accepts cookies, both digital and real, and we find out where Kyle and Josh both put their success sliders in this week's Interrogang! Join us every week for a shot of type news and engaging conversation among friends on topics that range from typography, graphic design, branding, art, creativity, and more! We will be using the Proof&Co Weekly Newsletter as a jumping off point each week which you ...
Mar 22, 2021•25 min•Ep 1•Transcript available on Metacast 
