Hey guys, welcome to this week's episode. This week, I have a very special guest. Her name is grace prosor and she is a spiritual teacher that also helps with wound healing and menstrual cycle mentorship. And I am so excited to sit down and have this conversation with her because we're going to talk about all things, women, specially healing, that wound space. And I can not wait to get this conversation started. Grace. Hello, gorgeous. Thank you so much for being with me on today's episode.
You are a light to so many of us. I found you on Instagram and just to let you know, I feel this connection to you even though we just met today and we've, we've had some trials and tribulations just so you can get on here. But energy, I just wanted to make sure that I tell you this before we get started. Your energy portrays energy. Radiates lightness and love, and I know you're spiritual healer and a woman healer and feminine energies.
Activists, you know, in a way, but just wanted to start off with that. And thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much, Yael and me. And I know we've been connected for such a long time. Um, and yeah, we've had some, we've had some, uh, challenges with, you know, getting the date and the times, but, you know, we said before, didn't we? That, um, you know, sometimes we're tested on how much we want it and we're here and the same goes for you. I love the work that you do.
Do I just love how you show up? Um, and yeah, I'm really excited for the chat. Yeah, me too. And with that being said, as women, I think it's so important for us to be really connected to ourselves. And being a woman in business, I read some of your stories, especially your last post. So ladies, if you haven't followed her, know anything about her, go follow her. Your story is truly inspirational and I can relate to it in so many ways because I've been in business.
I've had successful businesses. I've had them fail tremendously. I've had. Ups and downs. And I used to be a lot more in my masculine energy because I felt like that's what I needed to be able to be successful. And it's what I considered it and equated to power and happiness.
You know, I have to be the doer, the goer, and you have the softness about you and from what you're, you shared on your story to who you are now, I feel like you've come such a long way into being in touch with your feminine. So I want to hear a little more about that. Thank you for sharing a little bit of your experience as well. It's always good to know that we're not alone.
Um, and I'm sure so many people are going to resonate with that feeling of finding power and distorted masculine when power is actually a feminine energy. So, you know, that, that power force life force energy, that creative force energy is actually where our power lies within. The divine feminine in every single human being.
Um, and I think it's really important as well to when we're talking about like the feminine, masculine energies, you know, you can also call it Amiga and alpha, and this is not like a gender based concept, so it doesn't matter what gender you are, where you put yourself on there. On the gender map, every single one of us has the alpha and omega, the masculine, the feminine energy within us.
And also if I speak throughout the podcast about female and male, because a lot of my work is anatomy based. Um, I will be using woman and man based on the biology of if we're born with a womb or if we're not born with a womb. Um, so again, any kind of just clearing up any gender roles there for everybody, just so we're really clear of that. Um, and what a great question, you know, I think similar to you in a sense of I grew up, um, you know, in the same society as everyone else.
And I think that's also really important to know is that we're all born Into a masculine structured society, and it's a pretty wounded one, um, to say the least. So, it's no one's fault, really. It's not men's fault. It's not women's fault. And you know, you can even go as far as to say, um, you know, it's not even like our teacher's fault, our school, or our, our, the people in the systems. It's, it's above that, you know? It's the way.
Society, society is, is built and that goes so far out of our control sometimes. And so to give a context a little bit on, on, you know, kind of where that might come from, so we can all know that we're all moving in this energy right now. We're all learning to, you know, lean out of that matrix wounded masculine system into a more. You know, feminine flow and healthy, masculine. Um, yeah, to give that context that a bit of history is, you know, this has been two, 3000 years, the patriarchy.
So, everybody's so new to having space to learn a new way. And learning the new way is learning the new way of the feminine, is learning the new way of the healthy masculine, the union between them both, the balance, not being in your masculine all the time. And not being in your feminine all the time, but really allowing actually the equality not only as human beings, but as spiritual beings.
And on my journey, I think I was very much in a wounded masculine energy of my masculine just didn't feel strong enough to hold my deeply intuitive. Radiant, powerful, feminine. And so what happened with me is... It was that I was in my masculine, but a lot of what mine was, I was in like a dominating over controlling feminine wound. Um, and it can play out as maybe a masculine, but for me it was that I actually didn't trust my inner masculine. So I wasn't actually in my masculine all the time.
I was just in a really wounded, fragile, vulnerable. feminine. And so, you know, I've kind of had to really lean into, well, where was I kind of not even giving myself permission to lead in a healthy way? Um, where was my feminine just constantly controlling everything and, you know, not letting herself trust. Herself to be held. This was showing up in my work.
This was showing up in my family dynamics It was showing up in my romance And I've attracted men as well that have been very masculine and then very feminine for me It's always been like such a different kind of person. So It's been a journey most sure of Really healing that wounded feminine and then leaning into healing my wounded masculine and just really letting them dance together and lean into each other and knowing that it's not a competition, you know, between those parts of yourself.
We don't have to be in one all the time and the other all the time, and if we're trying to force to be in one, the other one, we're pushing away and neglecting. And so I think it's, I think it's a dance throughout our lives that we're gonna always have to lean into with different, phases of our lives that come up. Um, and for me, it was just, it was just a big one to firstly lean back in and heal that, that wounded feminine.
Um, so I could firstly start to trust her intuition and let her be seen and heard in a way that she felt held and safe. And then leaning into like where I felt emasculated in my life. Um, where are the times where I've felt like I've, you know, been, you know, kind of weak or weakened and All those kinds of things. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely a journey. Does that answer your question?
Yes, and I love that you gave me that perspective of healing your feminine first, because I thought I had, even hearing you now, I'm resonating more with that idea than thinking I had to heal my masculine. You're right, because... Being intuitive as women and that nurturing that care that that womb space.
We'll get into that as well we learn to ignore that and to second guess it and So when we're constantly fighting with our intuition our feminine energy, I feel like becomes very toxic for ourselves so even hearing you say that and I don't know about you. For me, it was a lot of inner child healing and like holding my little inner child that never was held and cared for and nurtured and loved.
So I think even hearing you say that, I'm resonating more with the idea that I think I have worked more on my feminine and because of that, I've been able to give it space. To own my masculine and be powerful. And I love that you touched on relationships because as women, we will, I've, I've attracted the same. I've attracted men in very unhealthy, masculine roles and energy. And then very feminine. Cause I wanted the opposite, right? When we're in this healing stage, I feel like.
We, we kind of maybe get attracted to both polar opposites because if we're not healthy in either one, we kind of want one thing from somebody and then the other from the other. So I love that you even mentioned that. What are some ways that I think or that you would think that women could start really Honing into that intuition more and healing that feminine and maybe embodying that womb space because I'll get into that later.
But I shared with you some of the womb stuff that I've been dealing with in my menstrual cycle, and that is all wild, but it's all interconnected. So I would love to hear your perspective on that. Yeah. Oh, thank you again for, for sharing all that. I totally resonate with everything you've said and most certainly really do resonate with that. Because I leant into healing my feminine, it gave me more trust in my masculine.
Like, that is just, it's a natural, it's a natural development, isn't it, within when we, when we do that? Um, yeah, I think for me. Again, the inner child stuff was really important to help heal that wounded feminine, those parts of me that were very cut off and shut off because society didn't validate any of that. And I look at my mother line.
I would always recommend anyone starting their feminine healing journey, um, you know, to look at your mother line and, you know, if there is challenges with that, maybe you don't speak to them or they're no longer here, or you perhaps never knew your, your mother. Is there any way that you can ask in your family, like, you know, does anybody know what she was like or? You know, really getting, uh, curious about your mother line, I think is really also important. Or do a family tree.
See, see where your mother line, what, what they worked as. You know, I come from a mother line of midwives. So of course, I'm here doing womb healing work. You know, it's part of our lineage to be in that space of that energetic creation of life. And I think that's really helped me lean into knowing where I truly came from. And, you know, one thing that not a lot of women know is When, um, when our mothers are in our grandmother's womb, all of us have our eggs by four months old.
Um, four months old in the womb. So when we're a fetus by four months, we have every single egg already within us that we carry for our life. And so we are actually in our grandma's womb because our mom was in her womb. holding us as an egg at four months. So we literally carry. Our mom, our grandma, like, straight from our grandma's womb, like, we carry that energy. And so the motherline is such a great way to start understanding, like, who you are as, as, as a, as a woman in a family lineage.
It's exciting sometimes to find out, like, where you're from. And it also starts to bring you a bit more of awareness and mindfulness of how important You know, that is. So firstly, really look into that. I think that's a really, really great thing to do. Go slowly with it. Don't try and rush the process and think, I've got to heal this and this happened and I've got to heal this. Um, because then we go into that wounded feminine again, right? That wanting to control and force.
And the best healing comes, honestly, in some of the most unexpected times, places, people, experiences when we're not truly searching for it so much. Listen, you know, like, allow yourself time to listen. Meditation is really important because meditation is going to require you to relax and not do, do, do, you're going to start to feel the to do list pop up in your head. Like I don't have time to sit here and meditate. I've got to go and do that.
Again, all of this stuff that comes up is just being able to witness it and, you know, talk to it kindly. You know, the to do list is going to get done. You're, it's going to be okay. You're safe. You know, you're safe. Like, you, you can lean into how your body feels and where your body starts to panic if things aren't getting done. And it's in those really short moments, maybe even a couple of minutes is all you need to just come in, place your hand on your heart. You're safe.
You're safe to relax for five minutes. It's, it's safe, it's safe. And I think it's just a, a willingness, you've got to have a willingness to really want to, I wouldn't say change, but a willingness to develop that new relationship with your feminine. And with that willingness will come consistency and devotion.
You will do the practices, you will show up for them, um, and the more you show up for them, just like when you're learning to play a guitar, or you're going for dance lessons, you're not gonna have it straight away, um, it's gonna take time, but the consistency, the devotion to you, to honouring this part of you, that hasn't been honoured for thousands of years, and we have to remember that as well. It comes with time and patience. But again, patience is one of the core feminine energies.
Patience, you know, it's a beautiful, important divine feminine energy to have. So if you lack, if you lack patience, if there's anywhere in your life you're lacking patience, you already know, oh, okay, I'm in a wounded feminine, so where can I bring more patience into? this situation? Do I just go and sit down? Do I have a massage? Do I go for a walk in nature?
What can I do to connect to my body and embody that within myself and just taking it slow and leaning in as and when the things come up? Because as soon as you take it slow, as soon as you're willing to listen, you will be guided. Um, and you'll be guided into the right places at the right times with the right people. And you start to begin to trust more and more and more. I love that because it is so hard, especially in this society.
I think you nailed it in the head at the beginning of this episode that you said we were born into this. We're born, especially if you're born in a big city or anything like that, we're, we're conditioned to know and think that we have to go, go do, do, do to feel validated. You'll love to feel valued and as women learning that beautiful balance.
And I love that it's become such a thing now where women are waking, waking up and say, I want more out of life and my success and my value is not just going to come from the way I look or my business success. And for me, like you said, it is walking in terms of all I have, or. Sometimes it's, I, I worked with an interviewer one time that said that I carry a lot of my stress, which I do on my back and my shoulders and it's in my heart space, you know, my chakra, my heart chakra.
So I lay down on the floor and I just take some deep breaths and I root myself onto the surface underneath me to help me feel held. Yeah. Yeah. Just learning to do that for ourselves. And I don't know if you relate to this. I talk about relationships a lot. I think with. Us as women, we lose ourselves sometimes to wanting that feeling from somebody else, usually in a romantic relationship, because we're unable to hold space for ourselves.
So we want to be held by others, but we, we try to find that in unhealthy ways, but learning, I love that you mentioned that learning to hold space for yourself, start trusting yourself, knowing that. Anything that ever happens to stress anxiety, you're feeling, you're always going to be okay.
And looking for looking at your past, I'm a big believer in looking at your past for confirmation of this, anything we've gone through in life, we can look back and say, Oh my gosh, at that moment, I thought it was all going terribly wrong. I couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. But everything always worked out for me. So I love that, that feeling of holding that space and doing all that.
So let's get a little deeper even because I really want this episode to be all about women and the womb space. So for me, like I said, I wanted to share this about my menstrual cycle. I lost it for about six months and it was right before, and I don't think this was a coincidence. It was right before I went to a spiritual retreat. And the one thing that kept coming up for me in that spiritual retreat was heal your womb. It came to me. It just came to me.
Like, I don't, I always thought it was crazy when people said that just came to me and I was like, well, I don't know how you get messages like that, but it did. It came to me like heal your womb space. And it has been a lot of working and healing my mother, my mother trauma, you know, she was, she wasn't a very nurturing, loving, caring mother to me. So. And she didn't have that. Right.
So learning about your lineage and the fact that you said that it resonates so hard with me, because I did have to really look deep inside and figure out, okay, this is how I feel. She wasn't there for me, but how was my mother mothered and, you know, on and on and on. So talk to me a little bit of how we could think into our menstrual cycle, learn more about our, that womb space, the bleeding, the shedding, the beautiful release that we get every month, instead of being angry that we get.
Yeah, again, thanks so much for sharing all that, it's nice to hear a little bit about, more about you as well, um, and likewise, you know, I think the mother wound, um, and the sister wound. is just as important as the father wound and like the brother wound. Um, you know, we've always heard that phrase in the past, like, oh, she has daddy issues or whatnot. But there, there are a lot of us out there who have serious mommy issues from mother daughter bonds.
They are just, like I said before, when we are that close in those womb spaces together with our grandma and our mom, like, It just, you, you can, when you feel into it, you're like, I can just feel that closeness of, of women. And there's no surprise that, you know, when women are together, we sync at the same time. So our menstrual cycles will sync with the people that we're close with, like our sisters, our friends, our mothers, uh, you know, the people who are around us.
And so to go deeper into this. I think a little bit of history again is really good because, you know, before we cut this off, before we cut off our divine feminine energy and we were kind of solely leaning into this wounded frequency purely based on, you know, the world we live in, um, we did gather together as women every single month and they would call it a red tent. So this may have been caves.
Um, it may have been mud huts, um, and then as it developed, you know, different places outside, inside, um, and so we would gather together as women from the village on our bleed and we would free bleed. So there was nothing stopping the bleed, right? But we're taught now.
To use a tampon or to use something to stop this natural process happening So if we actually look at the dynamic of the energetics involved like if you are stopping your bleed every month from free flowing and giving it that opportunity to release naturally, what else are you blocking and stopping in your life? And so I think there is so many ways we can look at how we deal with our bleed, how we think about our bleed.
Perhaps we don't even have any emotion towards it because we just learned from so young not to, to just Power through to just carry on but traditionally that is not what we did as women We would gather together. We would share our wisdom.
We would give our blood back to the earth We would honor mother earth with this amazing nutritious blood The menstrual cycle blood is full of proteins, electrolytes, these amazing amazing nourishing Blood that we would give back to the earth And so, we would also teach our children, you know, how to manage the bleed. And what actually happens on the bleed is, in our brain, um, this area of our brain near our, near our front gland here, which people would call the third eye, it opens up bigger.
And actually, that side of a woman's brain, where her intuitive gifts and her psychic abilities And her wisdom, um, comes from in, in this area, opens up as she bleeds. So, when we are not actually allowing ourselves rest or time or softness in that stage of our bleed and we're just propelling forward, we're not listening. We're not being open. We're not actually honoring.
This sacred gift we've been given and in the Red Tents We would share our intuitive wisdom and some of this was really important for the village It could have been a psychic intuition for you know, the land We were those people in the villages to bring forth psychic intuitive messages and also back then It was a miracle. This, this, this red blood was a miracle. It wasn't seen as disgusting or dirty or, you know, you know, demonic. It was seen as, wow, this is a miracle.
We have no idea how women create babies and this is so sacred. And so the men would really hold us in this time. So they would protect us. So they would be like our noble men would probably take it in turns to come and protect the space when we were bleeding. They would bring us food. They would make sure we were safe. They would check in on us. They would make sure that we were hydrated.
And our noblemen did that for us because they knew how important the womb, the menstrual cycle, this miracle of life is for that village for the next generation. And, and that's how it was. It was, it was not pushed aside. It was not, it was not demonized. And so when we can actually come back into relationship with that way of being. Where everybody respected the bleed and we knew that it wasn't just to disperse the worm, but it was to create so much more.
It was to bring through all of that juicy wisdom and psychic information. When we can connect back to that, we can start to begin to ask ourselves how much we've been really missing. How much we have been really, you know, just ignoring it. And so the menstrual cycle is the perfect place to ask yourself, what is my relationship like with my bleed and the people around me, because remember the people around us are also reflections of, you know, how we're feeling about ourselves.
And I think when you can really start to just ask that question, the one thing I ask women to do is not change themselves. Because we haven't been taught to respect this. We have been taught to take the pill, to put a tampon in, to use these toxic products that are literally filtering through our vagus nerve. There's a study that's been taken out, 70 percent of women who stopped using tampons, headaches started to go from their menstrual cycle.
And if you think about the cervix, that is part of the womb. The cervix is the, it opens up three times in our lives, when we're giving birth, when we're having sex, and on our period. It's the gateway to this shredding process, this death and rebirth process, um, by human life and by our menstrual cycle and energetics.
And so, if you are placing a tampon that has toxins in it, and it's pressing up against your cervix, The core nerve from your cervix, which is the vagus nerve that wraps around your womb, around your vital organs to your throat and then signals to your brain, if that toxic energy is going through your core nerve, which is your nervous system, this is your fight flight response. This is everything about how you. respond to things in life.
If that's full of toxins every month, well, of course it's going to have an effect on your nervous system. So some of your nervous system, like responses could merely be partly to do with what products you're using, you know, and it's just really going back to the basics. We were all created from here. None of us would exist without it. So the deepest part of us, the most loving thing we can do for ourselves, in my opinion.
Is go back to that wound space and begin a new relationship with it from just a different perspective. I love, I love everything you said, and I know I keep saying that, but I do because I can, I can feel the passion that you have in doing this work and bringing us back to basics. And thank you for sharing all this history on here because no idea. About any of this, especially the whole tampon part. I mean, as small as those things may seem, they make such a big difference in our lives.
And, you know, it might be a bold statement, but I just don't think it was, I think it was done on purpose. I just do. I just think it's another way to cut women off from their power because you, all you have to do is look back at history. And, you know, of course we don't live in historic times.
But modern technology and modern science is also as detrimental to a woman's health in certain ways as perhaps the witch hunt trials were when we were getting hung for giving our blood back to earth or for speaking about our intuitive gifts. We were not allowed to do that. It was a, you will be killed if you spoke about a dream you had.
Or, you know, if you were giving blood back to the earth, or you were even talking about your bleeds, you know, they had a, they had a whole book on how to hunt down a witch, and everything that the Divine Feminine represents with Is quote unquote witchy. And so there's just this fear as well that if we do move into these rounds of our power as women, we can still fear that we're going to be rejected by society. And there are places in society that will reject you.
So I'm not gonna make it, I'm not gonna lie and say it's easy because you will get. Bump us in the road where you have to make decisions on whether or not you're owning that feminine power and that's where your boundaries and your discernment and your kind of devotion to who you are is going to really show because in those times Um, we have to remember we still live in a society that does not value a woman with a worm. It just does not. There is no space for us here still.
And so we have to really lean into not ignoring it, but also not being mad at it. Because if we're mad at it, That's just a wound like you did, you look at your mother, you ask, What was my mother going through? What was her mother going through? And we start to open our hearts with compassion. Most people around us. have got no idea about this stuff.
And so, we're learning, of course, they've gotta learn, so it's gonna take time, and I also think that when we do lean into this, it's gonna really help our men start to stand up more in not only their feminine energy, but also a more healthy masculine. Um, and the one thing that, like, I always Will say quite openly, which not a lot of women may agree with, but if you are born with a womb, it's your responsibility to look after it.
You know, it's your responsibility to take care of that cycle, and it's okay. Sure, we can blame society and say, well, why weren't the men given the pill? And then we can question God and say, why do women have to give birth? So, if those questions do go on for you and you're listening to this, there's probably an element of like, resentment there, and some, some energy of forgiveness that needs to go on, because it's not men's fault that they weren't born with a womb, either.
The more we start blaming men, um, This is exactly what the patriarchy want, you know, they don't want a union because a divine feminine and masculine union coming together actually means more peace. It's actually what the structures of society have done for thousands of years since the Roman Empire kind of came in and changed everything through religion. It's drawn us against each other. Um, and a lot of men and women are now just in competition and a lot of women are feeling very angry at men.
Um. Um. Which is absolutely okay, you know, we've all been very angry at men, but the one thing I can do is share, if that's helped me, is coming back to that womb and cycle because it allows you to just start accepting that you were born with it and you can start to really switch your relationship from this is a burden to this is a gift. Yes, absolutely. And I can say that I have not been that woman that's been resentful to have a period.
And it's funny because the moment I lost my period, I recognized how much it's needed in our life. I felt almost energetically because I've been so in tune with my energy for the last like year and I felt like there was like this bubbling up of energy and I never had a release. every month. And it builds up anxiety and it builds up all these different things.
So I've had my own relationship with my, my parts, you know, my vagina, my, my sexuality, you know, as women, we're taught that sensuality and sexuality is wrong. And if we're hyper sexualizing ourselves, then men are going to see us a certain way or whatever. The things that we were taught as children. And a lot of it is because of men and something you said that resonated with me as well.
And I think it's important to understand that when people don't understand something, they will fight against it. And I do believe that that's why witches were looked at or women, intuitive women that had like visions or intuition were thought of as witches or because they were scared of what they didn't understand. And we will.
Yeah, we live in a society that especially men will look at us and not want to understand us or the, I shouldn't say men, unhealthy men in their toxic masculinity, right? We'll look at us not understand us and as women, we will shame ourselves. Like you said, we'll, we'll, we'll dim our light.
We will hate parts of ourselves that we feel like isn't appreciated, isn't taken care of or healed or, and then to even think that back in the day, like you said, you, we used to bleed out to the, to the earth, back to the earth and men would hold that sacred space for us. But now we can't even really talk about periods. It's kind of gross. Like we try to shun it. And I love the perspective that we have to own the fact that we have a womb.
And I think that goes as far as who do we let into our energy field as women, sexually as well. And I'll get a little cheeky with it, but I learned early on that not everyone deserves that to be a part of us. And it is a big energy exchange and it's something that we should hold sacred because who we let into our energy field, we become. Like them, whether we want to or not, we, we exchange that energy and it becomes, it could become toxic. It could become unhealthy for us.
And so ladies, if you're listening to this own, own that power, like there's nothing more beautiful than being a woman. And I love that you said that. And before I end this episode, cause I can talk to you for hours. We might have to do a part two because I love energy. I do want to ask you, I like to end my episodes asking a very intimate question so that my Listeners can get to know you a little bit better. What is something you would tell your younger self? Maybe an unhealed self of yours?
Yeah, that's such a beautiful question. Thank you. Um, I think I'll go off of like, maybe what I'm sort of moving through now, that's very present for me. Um, and for me, at the moment, it's. It's, it's coming back to, it's difficult to, to explain. Let me try and figure out like how I want to explain it, um, yeah, because I think it's nice to go off like what's going on now. Cause it's, it's so vibrant.
So for me, as a child, I always trusted my intuition, actually, because of what I went through. Now, some children are told no, and some children don't have a choice. In my upbringing, because of the darkness that I went through for so long, I actually opened up to the spirit world more, because that's what I leant into for help and guidance. And so, when I was younger, that was so, so vast, and it was so expressive within me.
And I always wanted to express and be, be seen, but I knew I couldn't be seen through these invisible realms because no one was understanding and it was very private to me. And there's this one point in my teens, I think I was probably about GCSE grades, which I think is about 14, 15. So I was getting my first mints as well. So again, when we've got our first bleed, we're very intuitive. We start to get a lot of download because we were being initiated into being a woman.
And I remember wearing, I had to wear a very strict uniform at school. And I remember turning up in a bright pink jacket. Do you remember Greece where the pink ladies or the jacket? I think it was probably inspired by that. And I just refuse point blank to take this jacket off. And I got taken into headmasters. Um, they were like, you've got to take this jacket off. And I was like, why, like, why, why are you taking away my expression? Like I want to wear color. I want to be seen.
Um, and I think what happened in my early days was I actually didn't really have a healthy discipline. Example, the discipline I saw was actually discipline against my mom for just being who she is. And the discipline I actually received was very abusive. So I saw a very kind of distorted discipline. And so if I could go back now and like teach my I think it's around my teenager age.
Um, I would lean into more of that healing that wounded masculine and just, teaching her, you know, going back in my mind, going back to that scene, sitting her down and just being like, Grace, why are you really wearing this pink jacket? Is this something you're not seeing, being seen at home? Do you, do you need something from me? What do you need? And if I go back to those scenes and I, you remember it vividly.
You know, that inner teenager or child will always tell you what she needs in that moment. And I think for me, she just needed a little bit of a healthier way of being shown that grace. Like, school, there are rules in life that, you know, you do have to think about, you know? Um, and yeah, you want to wear this pink jacket, but how about we do it in this way? You know, and, you know, just different ways of just teaching her how to healthily express without shutting her down.
Um, but giving her alternative methods of expressing this, this creativity she had. I love that because as I've been around parents and I had a stepson for a little while where it's so easy for parents because they're go, go, go to like shun kids and be like, don't do that. Don't do this. Don't do that. And we don't realize the impact that that could have or teacher for school or instead of giving them and guiding them to doing it in a different way.
So that's beautiful that you would, you would tell you that. I love that. Yeah, because yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, because I think like, there are always going to be places in life where we, we do have to have a level of discipline, of course, like you, you wouldn't really go walking in the forest in a, in your underwear, because you might get hurt by some of the, stinging nettles. So you have to kind of cover your legs up.
Like there are just those So those, there are those things that we need to do to keep us safe, but then there are also ways to express healthily. And yeah, it's just getting that balance, for sure. I love that and thank you again so much for being on here and I will put all your information on my footnotes so that people can find you and get deeper into that journey of them. I love that. You're in in the work of helping women. Just get back to them. Get back to their roots.
We've gotten so far from it. So thank you for the work you do. Thank you for being a light in this industry oh, thank you so much for having me. Thank you. And thank you for everyone to listen.