Ep. 827: Hunting Defensively vs Offensively and Other Advanced Hunting Strategies with Bobby Kendall

of exciting stuff on that front. I will touch on it just a little bit, but before that, I want to let you know about the show we've got today. We've got a hell of a show for you. My guest today is mister Bobby Kendall. Now, Bobby is someone who's been on the show a couple times in the

last two ish years. The first time he came on to talk habitat the second time he came on to talk a little bit about habitat and a little hunting, but in the what would you do format that we do sometimes, but I wanted to get him on here at the beginning of kind of peak hunting season to dive really deep into his hunting approach, his tactics, his strategies, and what I like about Bobby is his analytical approach,

the detailed mindset he kind of takes to the with him. Now, if you didn't see the past couple episodes that we did with Bobby for not familiar, Bobby was a former guide.

He used to work for some outfitters in Illinois a number of years ago, and then, gosh, I'm not exactly sure when he started, but he started a company called the Whitetail Group, which first started as a company that bought and resold farms, and then they started managing farms, slipping farms, then doing consultations on farms, then doing all sorts of different content around whitetail hunting, whitetail habitat management strategies. They make some of their own products now, box blind

scrape trees, all sorts of stuff. But what grabbed my attention with Bobby when I first started seeing his content a couple of years ago. Was what I mentioned two minutes ago, This analytical approach, the very very thoughtful way he thinks about what deer do, why deer do what they do, and what all that means for us as deer hunt trying to get close enough to them to get a shot. And so today's podcast we really go

into the nuts and bolts of his hunting philosophies. I think we do about as good of a job as I've heard anywhere of getting into Bobby's mind. That's what I wanted to do today. So a couple of the particularly interesting things we cover. I kind of tease this at the beginning, but Bobby has this approach that he refers to as a defensive approach to deer hunting rather than an offensive. So think about the two sides of the ball in a game of football game right offense

versus defense. Well, he plays on the defensive side, and I think it's it's an interesting way to look at things and very different than some folks these days. We also talk about the Jenga approach to deer hunting, which we'll get into. We talk a lot about how he chooses stand sites, and not only builds ambush locations, but finds ambush locations. And I want to make a key

point here. You know, Bobby maybe has become best known for the heavily managed properties that he sets up and consults on, but he also does a lot of his own hunting on permission farms or pieces that he can't actually develop. He's had a lot of experience in that too, And I really wanted to focus a lot of our conversation today on those kinds of setups, because if you're listening now in October, when this podcast is coming out, you don't have time to develop your farm, You don't

have time to make habitat manipulations. What I really wanted to cover it today was what can we find in the woods right now? If I'm heading out in the woods scouting a new piece, how do I pick a stand with what's there now? What can I do with the cards of them and dealt to me now in October or November, whatever it is. So that is really the key filter to look at this episode through. Everything we talk about should be relevant to you right now to help you kill a deer in whatever situation it

is that you find yourself in. So cover All those things cover a lot about his approach to patterning, deer analyzing, deer timing, deer hunts, a lot of good stuff. I enjoyed this one. It should set you up well for success in the coming weeks here as we roll through October and then enter that sweet sweet month of November. So I'm excited for you guys to listen to this.

I also want to let you know that if you are listening to this the day it comes out or the first couple days afterwards, which would be oh gosh, I should have had this pulled up, this would be October third, would be the day this is coming out. October third, twenty twenty fourth, if you're listening on that date or the fourth, fifth, or sixth. Meat Eater's Whitetail Week is still ongoing. So white Tail Week is something we kicked off last year. Basically, it's a big old

celebration of white tails. We've been able to convince everyone on the Mediator team to produce white tail focus content because you know what, even though Steve and Kale and some of these other guys live out West and they chase mule deer and elk and moose and all that stuff. It's cool, but white tails are America's big game animal, right the critter that we all love and know so well is the most pursued, most beloved animal across the

entire country. So I think it's well warranted that we spend a little extra time given some love to this creature, this incredible critter. So content across the board. New podcasts from myself of course, from Tony from Meat Eater, new podcasts and films from the Element of course, Rough Fresh Radio coming out this week. We have new films from me. My twenty twenty three films are starting to come out,

so we have my return to the Back forty. If any of you guys followed the Back forty TV series a couple of years ago, you are likely aware of the fact that we bought a farm a handful of years ago. We worked for two years to try to transform this piece into a good hunting property but also kind of a biodiversity hotspot. Tried to make this property good not just for bucks, but also birds and bunnies

and butterflies and everything between. Can we take astic approach that was the question with this property, and then also could we not only make this a wildlife paradise, but could we also use it to help other people, especially help educate newer hunters. So that's what we try to

do for the two years that we owned it. But then when we got done, we gave the farm to the National Deer Association for them to continue using in a similar way, for them to continue managing and showcasing as an educational spot, specifically for their field to fork hunting program. This is their new hunter mentorship program where we bring a whole bunch of new hunters out a couple different times throughout the year, pair them with mentors, and they get to have a great hunting and educational

experience on the Back forty. So this new film tells that story. It catches everybody up on what's happened in the last three or four years since we gave the farm to the NDA. There's a really cool story that I get to share in this about two new hunters who have been on the podcast in the last couple of years. So maybe you've heard the story, but force An, we're two folks that got to help kill their first deer on the Back forty and we've continued to kind

of hunt together. I've continued to try to teach them along the way, and they've now become volunteers on the back forty giving their time to improve the habitat, and now they're even even mentoring new hunters themselves. So I got to spend some time with them for this film. I think you'll enjoy it. I hope you enjoy it. So that's film number one. Film number two is the story of the Wide nine, so hopefully you guys are familiar with that story. It's been several years ongoing, the

longest experience I've ever had with a single buck. This is my fourth season with that deer last year and finally was able to wrap my tag on them. So that film, it's it's something I'm really excited to see come out. It's a heck of a story.

of deals going on. The big thing is buy more, save more, So something like, if you buy two hundred dollars worth of gear, you save fifty bucks. If you buy four hundred dollars worth of gear, you save x number of dollars. I know it's up to two hundred dollars in saving. So if you were thinking of buying one of the new white tail kits that I've told you guys about earlier this year, now is probably about as good of a time to do it as you could save two hundred bucks off one of those sets.

So check it out at themeateater dot com or first Light dot com. That's it on that front for me. Let's just get to the episode. This is a great chat with Bobby. I think we're all gonna learn a lot and it should help us on our future hunt. So here we go. All right back with me today we've got Bobby Kendall. Welcome back to the show, Bobby, thanks for having me. So yeah, I'm excited to do

this one. I have. I found that your approach, your kind of analytical style of deer hunting, meshes very well with the way I see things and think about things, so I've been naturally drawn to hearing your take on stuff and very interested in it. So We've done two podcasts previous, as you know, but never have we gotten deep into your hunting side. We did the Habitat one, we did one of our what would You Do episodes

where we touched on some hunting stuff. But there's a lot of ground left uncovered, which is why I wanted to get you back on here. And you know, when this podcast airs will be early ish October, so a lot of hunting season ahead foreverone. But people are definitely getting I guess in your words, they're getting Rammy now, they're getting excited. M yeah, so so so yeah. I'm hoping we can kind of geek out on the nuts

and bolts of your hunting strategy. And that brings me to my first question though, which is are you getting Rammy yet? Are you getting excited yet? We're days away from opening day in Illinois and Michigan when we're talking. Are you feeling it?

it's not that exciting. And I think it's a good headspace. I think people don't really talk about the mental space of deer hunting, and it is so important because when you start getting Rammy and you start losing faith in the system and losing faith in all the strategy and the anticipation you've done, I feel like that starts causing problems.

So I'm not Rammy. I actually, as of right now, there's a couple of deer I know about around, but I don't have anything any candidates that are wanting to play the game right now, which I'm totally fine with. Sometimes I think this time of year, we're now, we're starting to transition. But sometimes I think if you don't have one this last month on camera, it almost means you could have higher odds of having one as they

move around, you know, probability. So I'm not Rammy. I was just looking forward to it, looking forward to helping some other people and stuff as of right now, and so yeah, looking forward to it. Not Rammy.

not where they're at, are less. And so if your farm is this void over here and you don't have one as they disperse, you know, you just have a good chance of having one fill that void, especially if you have multiple maturitier in an area, because I feel like when they do disperse within that upper age group, they each take their own their own they set up shop in their own little space, and then they start marking their territory as you know, we get into this time of year.

have a defensive hunting strategy. I'd love to better understand what you mean by that and why you take the defensive approach, you.

push in or whatever it's. It's you can be a lot more subtle versus the end of the month when you're kind of running out of time to hunt him doing what he's doing before he goes to the rut. If there's a chance of me getting Rammy during the deer seas and it's when the sun goes down on Halloween night and I haven't got him killed yet, That's when I'm like, here, we go getting ready for the grind. But but yeah, so and and that same risk reward philosophy for me, you know, goes right into the rut.

And a lot of times, you know, as I'm hunting November, I'm getting I'll get more and more aggressive, and sometimes I'll have a deer peg like he's in a bowl. It's kind of not bowhuntable. It just it doesn't make sense to go in there because the wind swirl or whatever and then open a day gun season, which I do. I love him opening day risk award goes food and I'll just be in there really early in the morning, up as high as I can get, you know, and

looking over ground zero. You know, so that would be like the ultimate flip of risk reward. Does that explain that kind of and and hunting on the defensive? You know, It's it's just we're always like when we do like consoles and stuff help people, I always try and get them to think of their farm as a nature preserve. Everybody wants to hunt that that legendary nature preserved down the road. And it's like, well, how do you make

your farm that that vibe it can be? You know, you set it up in a way that you haunt as little of it as possible, and you haunt as effectively as but still effective, you know, And that's hunting defensively. Every time you go in and out, you're not bogering things up, You're not you know, hurting things. So I guess that's maybe a different spin on on hunting defensively, you know.

at this kind of foundational level. You've got to be able to like understand big deer and their mindset, and you need to be able to hunt them just in the wild, you know, and so all this other stuff it's built on those foundations and principles of how big deer think and act. So what was the question again.

If they happen to call in the biggest mature deer in the area, they don't know they called him in. He is so far down wind and gone it's not even funny. So I feel like without really under like I'll sit there sometimes with the antlers for half hour

and I'm like, nope, not feeling it. Like there's so small windows where you can just feel the electricity in the woods, and you know that they're mind set is like they're just gonna run up there and come in there because they are not in a good head, you know, frame of mind. And so that's the type. And even then I don't know that I really ever blind rattle,

because like quick story, I had. The biggest year I ever killed was two eleven, and I saw him coming across the field and I called this and that, and it had poor rain, and he came down to my left and he went to a creek and he stopped perpendicular to me, and for like five minutes he stood there and he'd looked left at me, and he'd look across the creek, and he'd looked left and look across. He wanted to cross that creek to get down with

me so bad. And finally he's like, well, i'll just go take a peek, and he turned left and he came right down because he couldn't cross the water, and he stopped as soon as he could see the plot, and he turned around and went the other way, and he killed him next morning. But that's just an example of how badly they do not want to come in. You know that that's just one example, but there's so many things, like everything is a tool. We have all these strategies and it's all a tool. Well and some

of it. You know, there's times and places. You know, there's times and places for giant food plots because you have a situation that makes it really huntable even though it's giant. There's other times for little food plots with It's just kind of all tools, you know, And you know, I just kind of I'm always thinking, like I'm trying to visualize what the deer is going to do or how he's going to use it, or how he's going to act and think like him, you know, and if

it doesn't make sense, then probably won't do it. But yeah, back to the original question, I just think keeping it basic hunting like a ghost, not leaving as much scent on the farm as you can. Understanding thermals, you know, like I generally nowadays, I'm going to the woods in my my work clothes that I was like my pants I was working in that day, Like because I've tried so long all the stuff for scent and it's like I stink, I must think, so I'm gonna get smell

it anyway, And yeah, it can make a difference. And I'm not saying not it's all little strategy, but there's things that you can focus on, Like I think if people focus more on thinking like a deer and learning a deer and stuff, they'd be more successful than some of the you know, I don't want to use the word gimmick, but just some of the stuff that goes on.

had people. I had a guy for a few years ago that had a giant and he's I'm like, what are you doing? And I mean he told me about exactly what the deer is doing. He's like, well you know so and so says, wait till November when it's right. I'm like, whoa, that deer is gonna be gone, dude. So yeah, you need to get in there. Here's another thing to keep in mind if you get lucky. So there's one thing, the pressure on your farm. You have the farm long term. You're trying to grow and hold

a big deer in a safe space. It is a glasshouse. It's a delicate act. You need to let him feel like that's that nature preserve, so he's going to live in there. On the flip side of that, which I've ran into this situation a lot because I bought a lot of farms and acquired a big deer, you know,

not on purpose, but just one that was there. And when you get a piece or you get permission on a piece, and you put cameras out and you have a big mature deer, he is called the older he is, the longer he's called that home likely the smaller his core has gotten. And it can be extremely difficult to run that deer out of there. And I've seen that over and over again. I've made some I had to go around with a deer a few years ago on

our YouTube channel. There's a video called face Space with a Monster And anyway, I had to go around with this deer and it was unbelievable. I couldn't run him out of there. So, you know, there's every situation is different. You know, if you're hunting your your farm and you're managing your farm and it's your farm for bever or whatever, like, yeah, need you need to you know, it's a glass house. But if you just find a deer, you have got to you have got to hunt that thing. You can't

just sit around. And you know, and that's a loaded question too, sit around and wait for the perfect days in October. You know, you need to use probability on your to your advantage. You may only have four or five days that he walks in daylight because of the weather, environmental conditions, and you need to up your odds by being in the woods each one of those days. So so you do you do need to hunt a lot, but you need to hopefully have situations that allow you to get in and out.

the all the it's everything. It's it's a lot of little things. And that's what he's talking about. The game agenda. Every one of those strategies that's a block and some of those things, any one thing is not really going to make or break. But when you start adding all that up and you're super dialed. You know, a lot of the most successful deer hunters I see are just very, very over analytical, and they're very you know, they just

cross every t and dota every eye. How many dear have you heard about, like somebody that they didn't end up getting job because of something stupid that happened. I mean, I've been guilty of it too. So it's just having everything dialed. And sure enough, it's that one. It's the last limb that you were like trimming lanes and you're sitting there and you're like, I'm not getting out of tree to go get that stupid thing, and then that's the one it costs that deer, you know.

You said, if you've got a big deer on camera, But do you mean do you mean that you're gonna be poking in there and hunting a bunch even if it's just nighttime pictures or are you waiting for the daylight or are you waiting for your magic X days and specific conditions. I guess more generally, I'd love to hear more about what will make you push in and do a hunt on this property that's supposed to be a glass house. But but sometimes you've got to do it. When do you take your swings?

So I was like, I'd love to help you. Guys they live out of town and then you know, they show up and they just it's hard for them to get everything set up and everything. So leading up to this point this started unfolding maybe three or four weeks ago, I'm trying to anticipate this deer's what he's going to do, right, I'm also thinking, Okay, this area has a big picture. I'm thinking, Okay, this area has got a lot of

hunting pressure. This farm that they bought did not, so in order for this deer to be this age and this big on this several hundred acre farm, he's probably this is probably home. He's probably spent a lot of time here. So also with all that hunting pressure and stuff, I'm like, we need to really try and get this done. In October, so they have late planted beans. They've got the latest planet beans in the year in the area.

They also have some corn, so we got on a zoom and kind of came up with a plan and basically, this deer we have to mitigate like a westerly wind. But where my mindset goes to is what's this deer going to do? Okay, he's gonna be most likely because this is his core and it's the latest beans around. The biggest deer generally will hang on to the field that's just got looks like some yellow leaves, but there's

green ones down in. He'll be in that field. That's the last place they'll leave usually, so when he transitions from that, so they're already lucky because they're going to have that green field. I wish it was corn because we can mow corn back there. They have like a so this field goes back into the east and then and then there's like a turkey foot and they had

planted a little food pot there. But the westerly winds, the type of winds that were anticipating having the night that he walks in October, are going to have some west in it. So we need to mitigate that. So we need to use a ditch for thermals. We need to use a box line. Where do we want to sit? So we have an up ran found that spot. Put the box there. The next thing is as these this small window where the beans are green, what's he going to do? He is going to transition from that green

to other green slash corn. So I got two spots that up to buy that corn ready to mow. Blinds put on there if he shifts to the corn. And there's kind of like one hundred and twenty yard gap that goes from the corn to the beans, And I've got brownings along the road lined up so I can catch him anytime he transitions.

thirty inch rows. So I went over there and I drilled wheat, ratuses and turnips for candy, and I actually drilled a really heavy dose of winter Piece because winter Piece, to me, they generally like will get decimated, you know what I mean, Like anytime you try and plan them. They just wipe them out, but they love them because it's so close to a soybean. I almost drilled soybeans in the mix too, to get a bunch of baby soybeans. And that's kind of putting all my eggs in that.

Just we're trying to hold him there in extra couple of days to catch one front. So I drilled into the standing beans, I know, till then we didn't get rained. So then I went over there and spent a day with a water tank and I put twenty six tank foles, which equates a half of an eight inch per acre. I watered this entire shield because I'm like, we've got desperate times called for desperate measures. We've got to drag that in all the while. So that day again back

to the hole. You can't run a big deer out thing. Somebody was like, Oh, you're gonna run that deer out. I'm like, that night, after I took twenty six trips back and forth in there, he was back there on camera. A few days later. I went back to check to see if it germinated. I went back in there, and he was on camera that night too, Both at night, which I'm totally fine with. So all that being said, I've anticipated what he's gonna do. He's gonna be on

the last being field, which we have. We have a westerly wind, we've mitigated that, and we're dragging him to And this is the final thing I did. There's like a fifty yard gap. I took my side by side and I grabbed all these tree tops that had blown down on the edge of the field, and we do all these walls, you know, like from excavation walls to wolven wire fences whatever. I used to do this a

lot when I was young. But I just grabbed all these blowdowns and I drug him around the field and where that wishbone comes to the beans, I just laid them from that corner over there. I actually mowed under the tree branches in the corner because that's where the natural concentration of the set's going to be. I anticipated where's he gonna want to scrape, So I led the horse to water and I mowed it to dirt because

it was really tall brush. Gave him that spot, and then from that corner, I laid those tree tops out into the beans, so it looks like a tree fell out in the field and then I didn't start no tilling him until this side of that. So I'm leading the horse to water and i'ms and this probably won't work out like this, but if I'm that deer and what he's doing, I'm gonna come out stage in those

little food pot that's already there. Which if my peas and stuff popped and he transitions, which as of last night. I text these guys this morning, I said, did you notice how many deer are on the camera now loitering right there? It's because that stuff popped. And I said, if he starts doing this, which he did at last night, I'm going to go in and I'm going to disk half of that food plot in it's over there in bow range because I don't want him loitering downwind and

I don't want him hanging up back there. So the current situation now we got this pinch because of these blowdowns. We basically reverse engineered thinking like a deer for a very specific window, which is October. He should do this the whole month of October unless he goes that corn. But I think he'll be back and forth, So you know, I don't know if that kind of ties everything in. But currently I was texting them this morning, I said, here we are. We got a decent look and opening day.

There's generally a very small window, like the first few days a season where before they start getting to like rammy or reclusive. That's a really good date phase or mindset to get one killed. We have this weird like long It's not like a really powerful magic X. It's kind of like a long one. It's subtle. But I said, the next few days will tell you know if he locks onto this and starts doing this. I don't really care if a deer is doing something at night, especially

this time of year, that's what they do. I mean, you just got to pay attention to what they're doing at night. So like in this example last night, I mean he was he was doing what we want him to do. And that's all good and fine, because in my opinion, big matured Europe they're not necessarily like geniuses. They're not like they can't like reason, or they're not

smarter than other deer. They just when they get into this mindset in the fall and they start getting inclusive and stuff, they have a much more specific set of triggers that make them walk in daylight, but then when you see them, they're just so we're all good with him walking at night. It's fine. You just got to anticipate the days that you need to be there in daylight, which would be opening days looking decent. Because we have a north northwest, we have some form of a high

pressure front. It's a long, kind of slow drawn out one. But we also have a magical little date in those first couple of days of the season.

But those three things mean the same thing. When you talk about date, what it really means is what phase of the deer season we're in. It also mean ultimately means what is the mindset of the dear and that changes. October is kind of the same mindset throughout the month. It's just that it gets more rammy or more powerful. He's in a territory, mark working, grumpy move in October. Now there's two little there's a couple of little windows or micro phases within that that I think, and that

is the first couple of days of season. For some reason, just seems like you can have less of a powerful environmental situation meaning weather, and still have them in daylight. It's a small window, and I just subtly feel like I've noticed it over the years.

area that they're marking territory. And then, like clockwork, if you pay attention on the twenty seventh, twenty eight, they're sitting there and they're each doing this, and all of a sudden, this dude goes whoom and he hits his scrapes and woom and he hits his scrapes and it's not that regimented, but it kind of is if you start paying attention to that. And so then by using that concept, if it's October twenty eight, you might say, well, I know this big deer is next door. I know

he's hit this scrape in the past. I'm probably gonna go sit here tonight because there's a chance that he boomerangs out of his core and he ends up over here. And that's just one of those things compounding strategy, one of them little layers in the jinga, you know, that help you make educated decisions and eventually probability catches up with you. Yeah.

ahead of the deer. We talked about this last time, so we don't need to do it a super long run, but I want to make sure if someone's listening and they didn't hear that first one, that they get a sense of what environmental factors you're looking for. And then also, the moon is another thing I know you believe in two.

Ben Rising, they all feel it. That's another thing that's a constant, that's something that you can predict and watch. And then the third thing is environmental conditions and that's the wild card. Those are the fronts. In my opinion,

it's all about high pressure fronts. I'm less concerned about the temperature and it and more concerned about, you know that the power of that high pressure front, which we have videos on our YouTube called magic x Days or something like that, or how to set up your weather app or something, and that just kind of breaks down how I how I look at that. But you know, that's kind of everything else kind of falls in that.

Like I've seen some comments, well what about like the rut like and a girlfriend and that, you know that that falls into date phase or mindset, you know. So, And as far as the moon, just so I can like, I don't know anything. My moon thoughts are so simple. It's like I don't know anything about a red moon.

I don't know anything about all the charts. All I know is that the rising moon is powerful and when it rises forty five minutes before it, you know, the sunsets on the day before the full moon, it's more powerful. It's a factor that makes it more powerful to see him,

and then it flips in the morning, perfect example. And again this is kind of subtle, but if you pay attention, did you see all the big year that got shot in the opening few days of Kentucky and Kansas this year and there was not really any good weather and then it kind of slowed down perfect moon a couple of days leading up to the full moon. So that that's the type of subtle things you pay pay attention to, you know. So this year we're anticipating that full moon

around what the fourteenth, thirteenth of October. I've seen so many years where everybody's like, oh October wall and the moon's in the middle of a month like that, and it's fire, you know. And again it's like one of them things where you might choose to hunt on a subpar environmental night because it's in that powerful three day window or four day window leading up to the full and you might kill him because of that, you know.

And the day of the fall, Like I feel like over the years, I've I've just noticed that you might not see a ton of deer. You won't see a ton of deer, but man, you might see the biggest one in the woods like last light interesting.

to be the best week of the whole year. YadA, YadA, YadA. Well, we had a front hit that time, Pier in the Midwest, and my target Buck I had my first close encounter with him the morning of the the morning of the thirtieth, and then got a shot at him the evening of the thirtieth. No, I take the back the first encounter with in the morning of the twenty ninth, and had another encounter with the morning of the thirtieth, got a shot him that evening. So I certainly saw the power

of those conditions all coming together myself last year. See what happens this year.

you're ahead of him. Something I haven't heard you talk about as much, though, is actual individual deer data or information like annual patterns, like if a deer did something last year, will he do it again this year? Or how much does camera information or observations of deer doing you know, a specific deer doing a thing in past years or this year, how much does that factor into your decision making process when deciding when to strike. I mean, it's it is huge. You hear it all over the place.

But yeah, you can take that to the bank. That's some of the best information you can have if you know what he did last year.

apes into like February, it's March. I mean, it's crazy, and just by learning, Like when I'm on a farm, I'll pin on onyx, I'll pin every scrape I find in every bed I find so that I can look at it and it might not make sense this year, but next year, like it'll it'll just sometimes it's like a light bulb, like, oh, you already got the map.

You already got the you know, you got the dots of all the bedding areas to where he's going to go looking, and you've got all the scrapes, and those scrapes are making sense, you know, when he shows up the following year. So I guess that'd be one version of it. But yeah, I mean, I don't know how to deep dive too much in that other than saying absolutely they will do the same thing almost to the day. It seems like, you know, one quick story hunted this place late season saw a big dear got set up,

dropped Antler's Christmas day bummed. The next year, it was all corn. I went up there. It was that face face with a monster deer. It was all corn. So I waited late until I knew there were scrapes because the edges weren't mode and it was going to be a nightmare. And that deer was betting like in this

little area the year before that winter. And I went up there and I came around the corner and I'm looking for scrapes to put cameras and got a backpack and weed whacker and I come around the corner and I'm like, man, there's got to be a scrape right here. This is kind of where he was coming out, and this point it's all kind of beat down. I come around the corner. Dude, he stood up out of the I mean it was right where I left him the

year before in the winter. He stood up and took off out of there, and it looked like a grocery car and on top of his head. I was like, oh my god. So yeah, I mean, they'll uh And that's not really doing the same thing to the date. That's just doing the same thing, But.

I kind of wasn't even hunting him. It was a bad picture. And I had a picture next door on the piece that I accessed through these people gave me permission to come through there, and they had a produce patch back there, and I had a camera on the produce patch they let me put out, and I had kinda I wasn't even really paying too much attention to it. All of a sudden, like November fourth this year, was like standing in the camera and I'm like, wow, I

definitely miss unjudged that thing. So the next day we had it was that day we had like fifty mile hour winds or whatever, two seasons ago twenty two, like the fifth or something like that, and I literally just went up there and went right to that stand. I left for that deer in horrible conditions. I mean, it was probably some type of affront coming through, I would assume because of the wind and stuff, but man, it

was crazy conditions. Fifty The only reason it happened was because they were all bedded on the north sides in this bedding area of the slope. So I was able to get in there, you know, because they weren't betted where they normally would have been betted, and they were betted right on the backside of a cliff right next to me, and they popped up. But so that would be an example of just like you know, going to where I knew he was the year before, and I

literally left a stand for that deer. And it wasn't the most like I mean, I wasn't even really thinking about the deer until the day before when I got the picture and I was like, oh my god, misjudged him.

deer season is the ruck. Even right now we're ramping where this is a phase of the rock, their mindset is they're getting like, the whole thing is the rock. A deer's whole life is the ruck. But you know, so so yeah, you still got to have the weather conditions, you know, to make a move. But when we get into a certain date phase or mindset, you have got to be in there with them, you know, kind of

like two things. Two things I could tell somebody to do to up their probability and almost get out of their own way is once November first rolls around, get out of the boxes, get out of the fields, and get in the woods in the cover, because that's where they're gonna spend the highest amount of their time. And the other tip would be, once November first rolls around, stop paying attention to your trail cameras and just hunt

and think like a deer. And you know, yeah, the cameras will basically tell you he's a live or he's dead, are he's still around or whatever, But it doesn't even matter if he's not around, because you could somebody could be like, oh, I got a picture him two miles away that evening before, and then you don't go hunt, and then he's all over your farm that morning. So those cameras will do more harm to your mental status when you roll around in November first, and they will do good guaranteed.

and you know, picking those locations. I've heard you discuss this idea of thinking like a deer, always trying to think like a deer when picking a tree stand location or line location. But let's just let's work with the assumption that we're on an undeveloped farm, because anyone listening today in October, you know, it's too late for them to develop their farm because they're hunting right now, so

they're stuck with whatever they have. All they can do now is find spots that check the boxes and set up there possibly. So, can you explain a little bit about what you mean when you say thinking like a deer and how does that play into your strategy and picking spots to hunt?

going to do that. Then you need to find a spot to get set up that as good ingress or egress, and that's kind of I guess I would take the right spot over good Ingress or egress. But the most important thing I could say about your setup in October is those evenings he's gonna move are most likely gonna be westerly, the northwesterly wins, They're gonna be high pressure fronts.

So you need to have your setups for those evenings that he's most likely to move, and you need to really pay attention to finding a setup where you're northwest also aligns with a big deep ditch behind you or a hillside or something to pull your air down. I feel like more big deer have escaped death because of the air currents in October than any one thing, because

we've all been screwed by him. Just when the sun goes down in October and your highest odds of him coming out the air or just starts doing whatever it wants to do, and you need a big ditch or hole for the thermals to suck down that hole. So so that that'd be my process. Cameras on the scrapes, figure out which one he's hitting, hunt that scrape, but do it in a way that you're hunting with a wester really to the northwest, really, and you have something

to pull your thermals down. I did a little real couple of days ago showing the type of spot that I would choose. I would rather be in a stand than a line, and we manufactured blinds itself, and they're sent free for that reason. It's a tool, a deadly tool. I'd rather be in the tree A lot of times. I'll have a tree over the line. I'll have a stand one. I'll be in the stand during the November

and the blind during October. But you know, thinking about those air currents and the egress part, like, honestly, in October, you know that you know the days that he's likely to walk, Like there are certain days in October and everything's lined up where I go into the woods and I'm like this because I just I just know that

the odds are so high. So that being said, you could have a spot that's bad egress because your risk reward is so high, that the reward is so high on those certain nights in October that it's not like you got to come out of there every day. Now, if you do have the fortune to develop a farm and create perfect egress, it just helps your probability because you're able to haunt every night and not screw things up.

Do you? Are you one of the guys that things that these deer are almost always going to use the wind or what? No?

I don't buy it. Like they're just the deer. They're not gonna do. You know how hard it would be to live your life walking like they'd be. They look like they look like, you know what, like they're out there like you know, a shrimp boat or something. You know. I just don't buy it. I haven't seen it. They don't need to do that. But when November rolls around, it's a whole different story. Now they're hunting, you're hunting them.

They're hunting. Does does live in cover? You can't see into cover a lot of the times, depending on the farm. They're using their nose to find a doe. And that's when it becomes really important. So as far as the winds in October, I'm not really concerned with making him

walk into the wind or this or that. November completely different story, and you know, and another thing about that in October, I think I hear every year I start getting texts all they're pushing them already, they're bumping, or they're they're chasing already, and it's like they'll send a video and Buck comes out there's a couple of dose over here, and he goes over to him and he lip curls, he rushes them and they go straight to

the closest scrape and they leave the field. I think there, you've got to get your head wrapped around the fact that, yeah, there's some does that come in early. I get that, but you're you're hunting probability, you're hunting the mass numbers of what's going on. You know, he's flexing his muscles, he's he's marking his territory. He's grumpy, you know, he's

when he stretches his legs on. I mean, I've seen some nights in the end of October where they just put the miles on straight plot through the woods, next straight plot boom. You know. So that's the mindset they're in in October, is their marking territory. They don't need their nose to do that.

the dots. I've also seen them go on a jaunt on the right day with the right conditions in November where they'll hit every single I mean they're on every camera, it seems like on the whole farm in a matter of ten minutes. I mean it's just crazy. We've all seen that too. So yeah, you just got to think, like a deer, he's going to be checked. Those are the places like you can kill him on food source

in October or November. I've done it late in the day and stuff like that, and a lot of times my strategy because to get into some of these places

in November it's more invasive. But the way you make it uninvasive and hunt the best time of day to kill the most matured deer in the woods is you wait until the field clears, the field's clear gray daylight eight thirty, You shoot across the field on the bike and you get into a sweet inside corner funnel on the down inside of the cover, and you sit there till two thirty, and then you get back onto your bike and you go shoot over and maybe you do

hunt a food plot in the afternoon or whatever. And that's that is like, in my opinion, most matured here in the woods. You are definitely more likely to kill him in the middle of the day between the fifth and the thirteenth than you are in primetime in the morning in the evening. We used to see that back in the day, like when I was just guiding for outfitters,

like years and years ago. It was just crazy to me that like the few amount of people like if we had like, you know, one hundred people or whatever in the in the season, the few amount of people that actually hunted all day to the number of deer that were big deer that were killed in the middle, it's crazy, you know. And that's when you're watching odds and probability at work, because you've got so many people out there. Again, you're not gonna see a ton of deer.

But man, it's just it's kind of like turkey hunting when when they lose their hens or whatever and they just are so vulnerable in the middle of the day. It's the same deal, man. They just they'll get out and stretch your legs and it's hard to tell. You just got to be there. You got to grind her out.

for dose. You want to be where they're going to be, which is what you just describe, correct.

phase mindset. When you get into November, there's like so many like like little phases I feel like to happen and it happened to the day, and I kind of try and be out ahead of them. So like I personally think like the biggest, most mature deer in woods can be hardest to kill in the early part of November because they get the as that bell curve a doze comes in, they get the first one and they lock down, and when that she comes out, he goes

looking and there's more options. He gets another one and locks down, and a lot of times they become kind of non existent. And I think that's why the mid day is so powerful, because you know, when they lose them, they just you know, they gotta go searching.

but that's my rule. And then from like the sixteenth or seventeenth to the twentieth, I think is the most powerful time of the rut to kill the biggest year in the woods. I call it. So that first phase I call pre lockdown cruise phase, and then lockdown. And then this is why in my own mind called post lockdown cruise fase. That's when I feel like I see the just mega giants. It's when I not that I see him all the time, but the ones I've seen, the ones I see on cameras, the random like giant

that you're like, what where did that come from? It's like, you know, that's when that all goes on, because now the belf gurves come off. He's lost of dough and now he has to work for it, and he's had to taste the lion, and lion tastes good, so he's like, you know, fiending, and so that's a very vulnerable stage. That's when you get those deer. They're kind of like almost like zombies, like like you're like, really, he's not

acting like a big dear. And I think I think that phase kind of continues on for a long time. I've seen some of them zombie walkers up until December. I just think that you know, here in Illinois, like where I hunt a lot, I think the gun pressure and stuff kind of puts a big squash on some of the natural movement of that.

pinch point that also is downwind to the cover. It seems like you've said this, you're always looking for spots where features compound, they like build off of each other. Can you can you just expand on that a little bit when you're choosing spots to hunt. What kinds of spots give you those multiple reasons or those compounding factors that make it a really powerful location? Because I think over the next month, month and a half, there's gonna be a lot of guys and girls walking through the

woods trying to say, should I hunt here? Hunt here? And I want to lay out some clear guidelines for what makes a spot like the spot within the spot the best of the best.

Before you start it, and you better hope it comes out early in November. You know, Like we just talked about funnels on the down wind side, you know, thinking like a deer one thing to get more granule on. This is like, I have this thing it says I would rather be in the wrong tree in the right spot then the right tree in the wrong spot. I see so many people and I'll you know, we'll get you know, me and my buddies getting like arguments about

the tree stand location. But I just feel like sometimes it is a matter of yards between it being where it needs to be and not. When I'm assessing a spot that I'm going to put a stand, I'm looking around at blowdowns and depressions and all this stuff and sticks that are falling bushes, and I'm like, when he moves through here, how is he going to navigate this stuff? Because it's usually like all these micro funnels within a

fifty yard area, that's what they are. And so I'll kind of read the area and then i'll go based on the wind I want to hunt here, and I'll look there and I'll be like, where's the closest tree. A lot of times it'll be I mean, my friends make fun of me because I get some jacked up little stuff and I won't sacrifice being in the wrong tree if it means I got to build a nest uff there or be two feet off whatever, I got to do. So, and then once I picked the tree

that I'm going to be in. This is kind of something I think might be unique to my approach. A lot of people are always like, well, I'm hunting this, so I'm going to hang a stand like this. Because I'm right handed, I will always put my back to the least likely spot or the spot, and that's impossible for a deer to be. So sometimes it might be a ditch. Sometimes it might be a big huge blowdown.

Sometimes it might be a pond or whatever. I'll always put my back to that, even if I've got to stand up to shoot that way, because it ups my odds because one hundred percent chance I can't shoot that way and I can only shoot from here to here, you know what I mean. So I don't know if that if all that plays into that question?

a scrape tree or something like that. Like, I see you build those things, but I've also seen you find spots like that, And I guess I'm just looking for more ideas for how to find those spots when we can't build them, or do you have any other examples you can share of a found spot like that that'd be worth keying in on or looking for.

of something going on. Like you know, sometimes if you find an old tens in the woods, you just need to walk it until you find the spot that they're crossing. Those are some of the best spots in the world. But yeah, yeah, and then as far as manipulating, like you know, you can manipulate like crazy, like you know, probably that video you're talking about on or YouTube recently where you're looking at the farm and the natural pinches and ditches and this and that, and then you're building

this other stuff off of that, you know. So it's like it's where the deer already want to be, and

you're just squeezing them even more. And then like an example of this deer I'm helping my friends kill, like I was out there toting deadfalls around to pinch it off, but I was anticipating like that outside corner concentration ascent where he's probably gonna naturally want to come anyway, and I'm just trying to cope them a little bit closer to my setup, which happens to be at the head of the ditch for the So it's almost like sometimes this is another way of saying it, but you're trying

to make him come to you, like you're trying to make him do what you want on your terms because it ups your odds so much. But your original question asking how to find those spots.

just down one of the betting air. I want to be down one of the betting aar at the place where the natural pin pinch is also at the place where I'm within shooting range of this big hubscrape inside the cover, and I've also taken a look in. I've noticed there also happens to be a little dish crossing here that might funnel movement even a little bit better. So it's like the spot within the spot within the spot.

the year. So sometimes you don't need to pay attention so much to the sign or the trails. You need to anticipate what he's going to walk in that very short window of the deer season, and there's not going to be really enough traffic to ever make a giant deer trail there, you know, so none might have.

giant rubs somewhere. If you look around real quick, it's almost always in some type of a concentration of scent, whether it be you know, I mean the reason happens on food plots and food edges is because there's a concentration of scent there, you know. And all that being said, Like the biggest when we talk about it, the most and the biggest you know thing I keen in on

it is tree coy locations slash. You know, when you're trying to make a scrape or a deer go to a certain spot, or you've got a green grain in a little section events or something to pinch them, you're creating concentration of scent and you're you're you're you have the green to grain or green to grain or whatever it is. You have the pinch. Then you put a

tree coy there. You eliminate scrape branches, natural ones on the edges and all that stuff just starts just pushing the scent more and more and more to that spot, which makes it more and more powerful. You want to see the ultimate example of concentration ofcents, put up a tree coy in the middle of a pasture in Kansas or grass fields out in western Kansas. I mean we put out, you know, tree coys and stuff out there, and then you put a feeder near it and getting

more scent. The first year, I thought there was some of our tree coys that weren't gonna survive. I mean they were down to like a one inch it was crazy. And these deer would come from I mean like I had pictures, you know, I'd have like a water tank and a feeder and a tree coin in the rut. These deer would come out there in the middle of the all times a day in the rut. They wouldn't touch the feeder or the water tank. They'd come straight

to that, straight, hit it, and begone. So I truly feel like you could just stick poles in the ground out in some of this big open stuff in Kansas and smoke giants out there. It's hilarious. But you know, they're just communicating. And if you think like a deer spends a lot of his time walking around at night and he's walking. He lives with his nose and he's walking around the woods. And October is generally when they're doing the most scraping, because you're thinking, like a deer

in their territorial and whatever. They're trying to flex and you're you walk through a pinch at night and you get hit in face with all this scent. You know you're gonna get ramming and you're gonna want to say, this is my this is my house. And so that's why that sign blows up. So we're all the time, me and told Me and stuff walking around the woods, and we're like concentration ascent. It's always, you know, I had a classic example of concentration ascent a few weeks ago.

I was up in Wisconsin walking around a farm. Maybe we'll post a little real on that, but it was like a pinch between an inside corner of a field and a neighborhood and there was just all these giant old drugs from the past. It's pretty funny.

pinch them with a bunch of blowdowns. You skid in your golf cart like I did the other day, or a woven layor fence, or one strand of our lawyer or whatever. And it's that philosophy that you're concentrating scent and it's becoming more powerful because of it. The other way to manipulate, or think of it is if you are doing some TSI on a south facing little point, you stand there, you let all the light in, You blow this little point up, so it's becomes a betting point,

a betting knob that a deer has to use. As No, because maybe it's the thickest chunk patch of the woods, and you have a tree stand that's already pre planned on the down side of it, and then you put a water hole. I love this tactic. It's just a little water hole. He's a pond liner, just a little eight foot hole that that is not trying to make a primary water source, that is literally trying to concentrate

scent when he is looking in the rut for a dough. Now, not only do you have the downwind of a betting area, you also have a little water hole that concentrates scent. And then maybe you hang a hamp rope or whatever, because there's going to be a concentration of scent there because of the water. So it's going to be a

spot that they want to naturally communicate and scrape. So now all of a sudden, you've taken a terrain feature that they are naturally betting on, and you've compounded it by you thinking like a deer and saying, you know, now we've got a concentration of a major concentration ascent right here, and they're going to go to that to try and find Mahada in the rut. So all last year Bundy killed at one to eighty on it on exact set up down wind, south facing slope, saddle up

and over funnel, a natural deer trail. After we logged that, I opened back up to make sure it was still path of least resistance water hole, and that deer was there a few times in the summer, never there up until that point, and just trusted the process. It's within his home range, and when he stretches his legs, he's going to know there's a concentration ascent here. It's downwind of a south facing slope, it's a funnel. He's going

to be here. My cousin came out and sat on the sidelines for the first two days because it was warm, and went in there the third day. Hardly saw anything at two thirty in afternoon, first time in daylight the whole year, the whole twenty twenty three walk right down the trail smoked him. So we've got to kind of trust the process and think like a deer. And he knows that area, he's shown that he knows it, he'll be there.

the concentration of sense. I suppose we're almost talking about the same thing here, Yeah, deer.

my buddy skill over here. When I was back there, I went around the edge and I took them all I had. I had a whole ranger full of scrape branches or potential scrape. And some people go going, my god, you're doing that. There's a two hundred steer in there. Well pieces the deer and by taking those other branches when he comes out, you know, he might come out nibble bum Russia dough go to the closest scrape and

leave the field. Well, now there's only one scrape that he can do that too, So you know, I'd say mock scrapes are good. They're most powerful when they're in the area they want to scrape, which is a concentration scent. Usually when somebody's like, I put out a mock scrape but they haven't hit it, it's because it's in a spot it's not really like a concentration scent. And sometimes that concentration ascent is because they have no other options, so they're going to go to it and then it's

going to start fueling itself. So so yeah, they're powerful. I like the tactic of taking some of their natural ones away.

I guess two final questions. Here we have the right spot spots. I'm sure we have an idea when the right times are. But I am curious about your approach to like volume of how often you would hunt a spot like this, because let's say, like everything's lined up magic X, past history, mindset, everything's green light, and you have this spot. Let's let's take let's take the example

you subscribed this undeveloped lease. You've got. There's a cove in the back where you've got these really cool different features all coming together, kind of a inside corner, dropping off, betting off this point. You've got kind of pins, You've got a logging road the deer should use. There's all these reasons for a deer. Hell yeah, I might sneak over there and sit it myself. Bobby watched out. It's a good looking spot. So everything lines up and you

hunt it day one. Let's say he doesn't show. So then my question is do you hunt a day two? Do you hunt a day three? Do you what kind of volume will you apply to these kinds of locations where you really believe in the spot, and you really believe in the conditions, but he just hasn't shown how much is too much? How do you know?

can kind of feel if the type of pressure or damage is he continuing to hit the scrapes at night, like I think you can kind of get The only way to answer that is you've got to kind of be self aware of if you think you're impacting the farm, if he's like all of a sudden not doing the same stuff on on camera, you know, and take it

by case for a case. But in October, those good nights, it's not you have to also be self aware enough to be like, it's not worth going back there tonight, Like those high pressure fronts are such high odd sets that if it's a risky business area to go back into, like you don't need to be going back there, you know, like that little spot I was talking about the other day, and the real the type of spot I'd hunt in October in a stand, Like that type of spot. You

could hunt that like every night. I mean, that's what makes that spot so magical because you can get out of there. The crazy thing is last year I actually shot the deer a shot last year in that spot, but I was in a box and I had hung

this I had blocked the deer off. I hoped I got them not doing a certain thing, int starting to do a certain thing, and I hung a stand and I got feeling was that that stand was going to be wonky because of the winds, and it was so then I brought a box in there to help mitigate that, and I ended up killing that deer. But then this year we got permission to hunt on the neighbors like tree line, and then once I could move the stand a matter of thirty yards, it totally changed my egress,

my ingress. I wasn't leaving scent anywhere. Now all of a sudden instead of being thirty yards there and the air slowly finding its way into the little green plot and then there's a fence and then a beanfield into the corner of a beanfield. Now instead of that air falling towards this big sexy bedding area that we created,

now I'm thirty yards this way and that air. You know, picture somebody pouring a thing of water onto the topo or the earth, and where that water is going to go and slow mow, and that's where the air is probably going to go. And just by moving thirty yards, I feel like that air now is going to just settle behind and then go around the corner to meet

up with the other air. So it went from a situation where you know, probably need to be hunting the right nights, definitely need to be using a sent free blind, to all of a sudden, get hunt pretty much every night that there's a good chance of seeing him. So it's situational. I wish I had all the answers.

deer hunting than stock trading and the like. There's all these strategies. They all work, just not all the time. And you know, the market rewards the specialists and the people that are attentive to detail and the people who are patient and wait on the trade to come to them and not get rammy and not. It's the same thing in deer hunting, the people who wait and are patient and are analytical. You can backtrade the stock market to learn charts, just like you can backtrade the deer

hunting history. You know, it's it's a wild thing. And if you really want to have your mind blown, maybe I'll grab a chart and I'll send it to you. You can post overlaying moon phase with the stock market. That will blow your mind.

have a regimented thing that I follow, not that it's that tight. It just helps you to stay organized and focused and have a plan so you don't get too in the moment and you know, you continue to think like a deer.

If you had to predict how it might happen and where what do you think is your best chance?

reason to know like where he was this year. But if he's shows up, I think he's going to be a giant, And I personally think it's gonna happen in one of the first several one of the first several high pressure fronts that he shows up. It's gonna happen in that code where I eliminated the branches and put that straight branch, I overseated the beanfield, so I have all these little food plots that are just hand broadcasted

within the beans because that's all I can do. So that deer would probably show up and be hitting that scrape in that corner. And if he shows up later, because I don't know when he would show up. If he shows up, it's probably going to be right across from that cove in that in that great big tree, on that sweet little inside corner. If he shows up a little later and I got to get into hunt in November, I will hunt that spot over and over

and over again, every single sit. I won't move as long as the wind is good, and he will come through there eventually, and it's probably one of the deals because it's two hours from my house. I'll drive up there eight thirty, I'll eat bike, drop my bike twenty yards in the tree, I'll get in and I'll sit there all day and then i'll get out.

I think I got it to germinate a week sooner than it would have, which puts the growth a week ahead, which could make the difference in that small phase in the beginning of the year with the green beans and this and that. I think that I can't see him not I mean, he's large.

We have a logging division where we log for people heavily weighted on deer strategy and stuff. We have a consulting division where we help people set their farms up. We have Facebook and Instagram. It's kind of funny, like a lot of people build these YouTube channels and stuff. They build them, you know, and and and then they try and figure out what they're going to do with it.

Whereas like me and Toby had our heads so focused on buying and developing property for so long, and we kind of stepped away from the hunting industry, like back when the outfitting days and stuff, and then all of a sudden, we're like, oh wow, people like watch our stuff on YouTube. It's kind of weird. So now we're

kind of doing it in the reverse order. Now we're trying to start working on the social media, and we kind of accidentally got where we were now, so now we're starting to work on that So the project he's talking about that I'm excited about launching is we are starting a Discord server. So Discord is an app. It was actually originally made for the gaming community, and it's

like the most genius thing ever. So my vision of the Whitetail group was always like, it's a group of all of you guys and us helping each other and working together, and that's why I named it the group. But it's also the group of people, like professionals on the back end that provide value and in our situation, it's not just like your hunting strategy because we're so heavily involved in real estate. It's it's you know, in markets and stuff, so it's it's there's there's professionals on

the back end. So that's also like a play on the world word of group. So the Discord app, I don't know if you can see this, but it's literally an app you download and it's kind of like a private forum, you know, and there's general conversations. There's an archery there's an archery chat channel where people can help each other with all things archery. There's a there's two

video conference rooms in the general area. One is an archery shop where you can literally somebody can go in there and get on a video conference instantly and help each other set your bows up or you know, work on your shooting form. There's a follow my Blood Trail, like somebody might be on a blood trail and they aren't super experienced and they watch some guys that are more experienced, and fifteen people instantly can be in there like helping you look at the blood and figure out

its instant video conference and helping you make decisions. Or you can just take people on your blood trail virtually live. And then you know, there's all kinds of stuff in here. There's there's our farms pre market, you know, and fully developed. There's a whole section of how to videos like planting Braskas, planning that you know this and that, and each one is like a quick start guide, uh, just organized in one place. How to process dear, how to set up

a weather apple hanging in a tree stand. Then there's a section called market analysis, which is really cool, like for example, like commodities. So I have a friend who's a twenty year corn and bean trader, and he's going to be in here giving real time updates and analysis on the corn and bean markets and teaching people about basis and futures and contracts and how all that works.

And there's professional contacts for banking and real estate attorneys, insurance surveying, land management services, title companies, farmers by county in different states. There's farms off market, Like I know of farm sometimes that are off market. I don't buy, but it's a really good farm, but it's it doesn't fit what I buy. Or there's a listed farm on the market that's been sitting there and I'm like, why is the way buying this? Like this is I know

the neighborhood. I know, Like I knew of a farm a few weeks ago they had a two hundred on it that was for sale. Like so there's special farms that we might throw in there. And then there's going to be like there's downloadable farming leases and hunting leases that are blank, Like we've tailored our farming leases over the years, you know, to be hunting friendly and buy your crops back the right way so it's most affordable.

There's going to be courses in there eventually, like rec ground bookkeeping, like how to set my CFO is going to do a course on bookkeeping for ret ground and how to set up quick books and categorize everything correctly, how to buy your first farm. And this is so easy to like, if somebody is like, you need a channel for this boom, we'll have it. If somebody wants

a course for this boom, will have it. Some of that, like very little bit of it, but like those courses might be monetized because I got these people's time to build the courses and it's just a one time download

to download it. And then the last part like I have this and you know, it's kind of weird to try and promote myself, But there's a Bobby Kendle Deer Season subscription and in the categories of that are and this might be backwards, I don't know how you can see it, but the categories are date based, mindset, moon phase,

whether plan your time off by predicting the season. And this is kind kind of like a real time section that somebody can subscribe to and then we can just chat throughout the whole deer season, all this stuff we talked about today about you know, thinking and making changes, Like I feel like if I can take somebody along in real time through the deer season and they can ride the deer season together. I think it will help like solidify and it's so it is a community that

is moderated. I've got lots of people in there that are you know, I feel like our professionals and stuff that I've met over the years to help with different things. And there's gonna be no drama. There's gonna be no or you're out of there. So it's just gonna be a nice friendly like deer hunting for fraternity, for us to all hang out and help on another and grow as hunters and land managers.

but they can relate to each other. And it's all the white tailed group, Like you know, the guys in in Alabama who's rout is lee, I want them to have a place to discuss, and the guys in in you know, northern Michigan, like everybody should have a place in there, and we should have all the common threads. But then we should have areas to help each other and everything. So I think it's gonna be really cool.

pretty soon. Awesome, good luck, Thanks Bobby, you too, and I look forward to hearing about this two hundred that you're living vicariously through and uh and hopefully you're shot coming together on that giant on the undeveloped lease or or somewhere else soon.

forty and the hunt for the Wide nine. I hope you guys enjoyed this list too, so until next time, appreciate you being here, and stay wired to hunt.