Ep. 587: Rut Fresh Radio 10/19/2022 - What About The Lull?

powered by Vortex Optics. I'm Casey Smith, this is Tyler Jones, and we are talking to your hunting guys. And get this, I always like to HiPE because it's hip season. Okay, here's the deal. Whatever today is, whatever day you're listening to this, ma'am, it gets better tomorrow and better than next day, and better than next day. It just keeps getting better from here on out. Man. That's right. Alabama

don't get better for a while. Mississippi or the good thing about those states down there, man, is like pretty much just the Bowl appearances actually interfere with the rut you know, because it's so that I was regarding you know, they're with the Alabama loss. It was very unfortunate for them. They family. But yeah, the uh January ruts are nice. But in most of the country, you're right, like every

day it's getting better. It is. Man. We've been talking to people from all over the country and uh uh the further northego, the kind of more consistent this gets. I do believe we're actually fixing a hit up on another little swaying up through the north country to go chase some big old bucks. Uh. But um, it's still that way here in Texas where we got some cameras out hunting some Texas public land right now. Uh and uh kind of targeting these cold fronts that are moving

across the country. And that's gonna be probably a pretty big theme from what we hear guys talk about. You know, depending on your opinion of deer movement. I know that their studies out there that bucks don't move anymore and for any other reason. Like honestly, if you listen to all the studies, they're gonna say that deer movement is

a monotony and it never changes. But if you've been out in the woods some there is perceived reality and that perceived reality is that these things have some influence on deer. I can tell you one thing is when it I mean, there's no doubt like this time of year, and also on colder days, deer or more on my camera, and there are more bucks on my camera. So I mean, I don't know what to do except for just if I'm doing my own science, this is what I see.

So I'm I'm going hunting if it's cold, and you know, guarantee you in November time to be in the woods even in late October right now. Yeah. Yeah, the guys if you haven't, By the way, if you like big Bucks and you don't, you should go check out just the breathtaking situation with Oklahoma buck that I killed last year.

I just got a text message from the guy who's doing the euro for me, and he said, man, uh, I think his buck might be older than what we used him on his bottom jaw because he's like his teeth are falling out. He also had, he said, more bot flies than any other deer he's ever seen. Really, yeah, I didn't show you the picture because you know that kind of thing. I've seen one that's all I need

to see. It was gross. Um but uh, he had like an abscess, his teeth are falling out, like he's digging him out of the bottom of the of the bucket and stuff this old buck. I think, so it's that time. Uh he was he was cool man, and I'm ready to get that head back because, uh what a just epic thing for us. It kind of cemented the buck truck, you know as uh am I using that word right by the way, cemented that's the thing,

right Yeah. Um uh I said that to our friend Mark Keny the other day and he didn't have anything too much just say about it. So you never know if he's just being Mark and he's like assuming you use words right, white, or if he's just like this guy's dummy from Texas. But anyways, uh, that deer after a shot him, just some pretty dramatic things happened. Um that just we're I don't know, kind unexplainable. Yeah. I think we talked about it a little bit on this

same show last last week. Uh. We do a lot of podcasts, and so between our The Element podcast and this podcast, we kind of get confused on what we talked about. But I think we did talk about it, and uh, you know, I saw another comment on the video about this um and you mentioned it, but like, um, when what happens to the deer is not a funny thing.

But we were like about near holding our breath for thirty minutes, and what came out was this joy of watching it, dear fall, because it's a quick, ethical kill, right um, and this whole like, I can't believe it just happened. We had success, we got the shot we wanted, it was super lethal, and all this stuff and what it is and what ends up happening to that dear, it's not like a funny thing. It actually it's hard for me to watch, and that's the reason we didn't

put it in the slow motion replay. But uh, we do laugh because it's you and me. We laugh a lot and we had a good time. And so if you've watched it and it was distasteful, we would probably apologize that it came off that way. We didn't intend it that way at all. We actually both highly respect and value all kinds of animals, probably more animals than

most of your listeners. I can say that, especially about k C. Because this dude knows every bird under the sun, just about you know, he's you're a birder pretty much. And the ones at not too not jars, you know those are actually you were talking about one of the most sorry mark again where you know we we're not grouping here, so I apologize. It's twenty seven different species and night jars, uh, when they're all kind of grouped

into that like nighthawk knock jar type thing. Right. But anyway, we just started out really, uh, whipper wheel It's not That's what I was thinking, Okay, just making sure it's something. And we actually what we call whipper wheels here usually chuck widdows wheels, um, but we just hard to say yeah and not doesn't sound in nears cool. We already got plenty of syllables in the word whipple wheel owner.

Then the song chuck didn't come out here don't Actually maybe it's probably somebody check that fact check that I used to keep up with things on the calendar something and I learned that from Pop, my granddad. He uh would always write down the first whipper wheel he heard in the spring. It was always like late March, early April something like that. Yeah, And I think that I should start do it with there a little more often. Like the first scrape I see open up in Texas.

I'll keep up with that. I'll see you see what that is, because that's what we're starting to see around here right now. Uh got some cameras are gonna be doing some some hunting this week on the cold Front. Um. But I'm kind of thinking in concern and like, you know, just for a little hunting banter here is a lot of people are are hunting and thinking about this. In fact,

that's why they listen to this podcast. Do believe? Are we in a weird time period in the mid October stages where mature bucks actually aren't hitting the scrapes yet and it's the young bucks kind of getting out there, getting fisty and taking care of that stuff. And should I be concentrating on the betting specific stuff still or with the coal front with the rain coming through, are there going to be big bucks on their feet doing

that even in the teens of October? You know, because I affectionately call the twenty second through scrape week, it's kind of, you know, a thing that a lot of us kind of talk about, you know, but as well lead up to that is it's uh foolish to hunt the scrapes. Um, I would say, if you're asking me, I would say that you're you're if you get is this kind of a theory you're developing at as you watch the cameras and we just put out okay, So

i'd say you're on the right track. I would say, Um, personally, I think that, you know, I like to h and this is just this is all coming to me right now as I'm thinking about it, because I mean, without thinking about too much, I would say, oh, yeah, it's coming, scrapes are gonna be hitting. But like, I think you might be onto something. I think that like when I think back to I killed the deer on a scrape in October on some public in Illinois, a big deer,

mature buck. I watched the foot the trail camp footage of this yesterday. So he shows up on a cold front on the sixteenth, which is today when or this week or whatever essentially when we're recording this thing, and uh, you know that is his first time he shows up. But he shows up at night. It's fifty or something like that. So um, and then the next coal front that runs through that's on it's on the twenty three, he shows up that evening and I shoot him at scrape.

So um, my thoughts are that what you're gonna end up doing potentially here on some of this pub around here, wherever you end up hunting is having I mean we saw where last night the weather came in and we saw the night for there was nothing, and then last night there was like what we assume were three year old bucks kind and uh, I think you may end up even seeing a decent buck um, but I think that it's still like a week away from those deer

actually doing daylight things around that. I think they're going to be exploring, but it's gonna be nintime movement majority. But this is a major, major cold front, so uh, I don't know. The colder the weather, I feel like the more willing those deer are to move. But all in all, like when I think about even the private here that I'm hunting, those dear, I'm not seeing dear, I'm not seeing bucks show up till literally the twenty ninth of October at least. So that is my house too.

I'm just kind of thinking that, you know, my strategy in my mind has been let's go hunt these scrapes. But now I'm thinking I should go back to kind of what we did in South Dakota, where we hunt that transitional stuff between food and bedding in the mornings, and that be your best bet to have one on their feet. I think so too. I think it's a good idea. I know it kinda steps on all the stuff y'all did the other day. Well it just I mean, I'm glad we went and hung those cameras and kind

of explored and learned things. And the foods there. Acrons are dropping over cups in particular, it's like it's the thing, but there's enough of them that it spreads them out. And also being creek bottoms in East Texas, it's just there's a lot of bedding cover and I haven't had the opportunity to go in there and just tear this thing up in the off season too, no like specific

buck bedding, you know. So I'm thinking that I'm gonna go look for big rubs that are way back away from roads and near some food and try to just get the wind right and hood. I think that's a good plan. I think that's I think you're on the right path, and it stinks to have to get way back away from things. But that's just part of shooting big bucks most of the time. It is most of the time of the year, I mean, outside the rut.

That is just the way it is. Speaking of I need to grab the game cart while we're here, not because I'm optimistic, so you know I need that. So, uh, we actually talked to some other optimistic guys this week on the podcast. I love to get some guys on here who feel like it's time to kill man. And now I will give you this. Um, I feel like

we had some realists here for the most part. Uh. So, like when you hear a number and it's not like up there and like the Chechen range, that doesn't mean it's bad, right, And we talked about this, but I want people to think about this from time to time. Right, So if you hear that, you know, five or six, that's a hunting number for sure, looking at pretty much better than good good. So down here we're talking to

this week. So this week we're talking to Chris Nickerson of Maine, Greg Litzinger of New Jersey, marc OLiS of Moultri Mobile he's in Alabama, and Nate Crick of Identical Drawl. They were in South Coda and had some success recently. So let's get to the interviews. I've got Chris Nickerson, who is hunting in Maine on the phone right now. Chris, what's going on up there? Man? Uh? I am. I'm up here trying to try and invade uh, falling leaves, stream winds, some rain, h and all the things the

big widths of Central Main hunt. That sounds cool. We actually have a little rain here too, which is a rarity as you can imagine, you know, for Texas because you're from here now. But you grew up hunting Maine, is that right? I did? So, you know I was interesting. I was. I was born in Texas. Uh, you know, my family settled in Maine when I was a small child. So look most of my main and most of my time in Maine, and then you know, through my twenties,

I was kind of your average gun hunter. You know. My whole time at Mains, I never took it too seriously. Now I'm living in Texas, been there for you know, seven plus years, and uh, you know, taking bow hunting super seriously, and had some opportunities to come back up here and hunt a private farm. But a friend of mine has worked, you know forever, you know, took him up on the offer, and uh, it's it's been a it's been interesting trips cell phone. Well you've seent me

some pictures and it looks beautiful. What is the tactic going in Maine right now? Man? It just seems like a different world, you know, so I don't even know where to start. It is, you know, the best way I can explain Maine to someone who has not been here, it's it's almost like Alaska's little brother. A lot of the trades of Maine are very similar to Alaska, just

not as quite on as steroids as Alaska. You know, a lot of a lot of cedar swamps, you know, mossy bottoms, and then it can transition to hardwood flats almost instantly, so there's a lot of diversity. The deer population is quite small per acre, you know, compared to a lot of the states, especially when we're used to in Texas in the south, so you're not gonna see you all the time, which is you know, I think just from my experience talking other folks, it's fairly common.

A lot of the northern cold weather states, you know, you don't see a lot of movement. You're not sitting out here seeing every single night. You know. It's it's nothing to go a couple of days and not see a deer and then all of a sudden a monster can walk out of nowhere and just take you by a total surprise. So that's kind of what I'm battling right now, is you know, I'm hounding a piece of land i've ever been on. I'm startain cold, I had. I've got a total of two weeks here and I'm

about the halfway point. I've seen a couple of decent bucks, you know, handful of days, but no crazy movement. I'm out here, you know, trying to scout, you know, attactfully where I'm not just blowing the whole area out, you know, scouting hunting. I'm I'm I'm a saddle hunter, uh like you folks, And so I'm using that tactic, you know, to speak through be as quiet as I can without

blowing this place up. And uh you know, I'm I'm I'm slightly discouraged at the moment, just because you know, I'm used to seeing so many deer um as we do in the South. But um, I'm hopeful that I'm definitely gonna get onto something pretty good here in the next handle of days. So you see you mentioned central Maine. Uh, what part of Texas do you live in? So I currently live in the Sticks Attack Just the closest to the city to b is is Austin, about an hour an hour east of Austin. I got a lot of

deer down there, for sure, we do. Yeah. So, like I was just wondering because you mentioned central Maine and if you put you know, if you said central Texas, then you could fit all the main in that. And so I wonder if, like central Maine, why you're why you mentioned that? Is there something particular their habitat wise or deer wise or you know, what's the what's the dynamic there that you mentioned that? For sure, that's good, good,

good question, because northern Maine. Um, when you when you come to Maine and you you talk to locals here, when they talk about northern main it's the part of Maine that is by most people's standards, uninhabitable due to the extreme cold. The largest county main is Gst County.

That's typically the count of day. One of the first two is quote up north Uh, Central Main is is basically if you look at on the map geographically, it's kind of actually the southeast corner of Main you know, if you were to break it down on the map, but that's kind of princess central Main. Bangor is the biggest city that's close to where I'm at, which is considered Central Maine, and then from there you head towards the coast and that's quickly considered more of the down

east main section. So so, so what are you focusing on right now there in central Maine as far as like what what I mean, are scrapes the thing? Or you know, what what are deer doing? Yeah, that's a great question. What what I'm struggling with right now is we're in the leaf the leaf fall part of the fall app here, so the leaves are coming off the trees and there is a astounding amount of leaves on

the ground right now. So when I'm scouting finding what you know to be a good deer path that you cannot see a fresh track to save your life because somebody leaves on the ground. Um. Part of what I'm optimistic about is in the next few days, were just going out of a pretty aggressive windy rainstorm, and most of most of the leaves are down in this area for the most part, and so those will start kicking away and we'll get a little bit more clearing, so

I can see what's going on. Scrapes are almost impossible. Beds are impossible. I have I have scoured the woods here hard, and it's really tough to find. You don't find a handful of rubs, but there again, there's not a lot compared to other places I've hunted, so it's, uh, the sign is very sparse, so it's I'm having to work for this one, yeah, for sure. And I can see where as an archery hunter especially, that gets pretty tough, you know. I know those guys track up there a

lot and cover ground. But whenever you can shoot, you know, seventy eight yards with open side riffle, I'm sure it adds a little bit of extra to it. But do you plan on like kind of things are really starting to get into swing, And from my experience, the more north you are, the more this stuff lines up on

calendar days. And you're about as far north as you can hunt white tills in the States at least, So do you expect that, like we will, you will at least start seeing a good bit of buck activity as the next week pushes on, I think so that this next week, I feel like if I had to gage it, I think this next week that I'm gonna be there is kind of probably gonna be the start of the good part of October. Here. I wish I had another week because I think the very end of Uxtra is

gonna be great here. Um, it's a little warmer than I would like to see right now this next week probably in um roughly around you know, fifty, mid fifties, high fifties, and the lowers we're only gonna be you know, thirty seven or four degrees. We did have one day that was pretty cold, but then it just popped right back up and it's been a warmer weather. So I wish it was a little colder that I think I

would help a little. But I think you're right, we're coming into that part of season where it's gonna start taking up, So I do. I'm optimistic about that, good man. That's good to hear. So if you had rate like your next week that you're gonna be up there hunting um for a buck movement scale of one to team what would you think it's gonna be. I think towards the tail end of this next week it is probably gonna be close to that. I'd put it that probably six.

I think it's going to increase a fair amount. I know that probably doesn't sound real high, but for this area, I think that's a assessment. It sounds realistic to me. I'd like to call that a killing six, you know what I mean. Like, if you're a real hunter, you think that six is pretty good works every time for sure. You know, I've got a lot of pression on my

friends from back in Texas. You know, they hear all these stories at these great giants on the north and they think I might come up here, and I just got world class buck and so I've got some I've got some heat on the perform good man. Well, we don't have any heat to push towards your way, but we do wish you well. Man. I hope you have some success up there and can't wait see the pictures. Thanks for time, Yeah, absolutely, thanks guys. All right, so

now on the phone, I've got Greg let Singer. I like to call him lip Sinkers sometimes and even call him Greb. When I was talking to Ksey earlier. I don't know if you know what a grieb is, but that's a waterfowl. Uh, and some people call him grabs. So grab. What's been going on? Man? And I'm good, you know, trying to trying to taste some books. You know, same is everybody. Yeah, they marsh bucks? Are they different kind of country? Um? I'm doing three h the marsh

in the Big Woods this year. Break it up a little bit, all right, dude, the way they can charge you more, right exactly? Oh that's cool, dude. You hunt some really interesting country. And um, I love following you man, um, and have known you for several years now. Man. We've we kind of text several times a year and talk about things and usually get up on the phone. And I like watching because you get after it, man, Like

even in the offseason. Man, you're out there as much as you can, trying to be a good dad and and that kind of thing too, but you know, also spending some time out in the woods trying to figure out, like what these deer doing. You end up usually killing several big bucks throughout the years. Man. So I wanted to talk to you a little bit about what you've been seeing You've been hunting New Jersey quite a bit lately, and just see what you've been seeing and and uh,

you know what the deer doing in the woods right now. Um, it was earlier Touber was really good. Um September was kind of a bus for me. But uh, a lot of deer pempic theer. But earlier Tober, the cameras are blowing up a lot of big deer hit scrapes. And it kind of died off this past week. We had

to you know, with the hurricane and whatnot. And uh I checked some cameras, was like yesterday, and uh, they are starting to move still in the dark side, you know that last hour, like even close to bedding, the scrapes are starting to get fired up. You know, are you are you? Are you seeing? Does use those scrapes too? Or is it mostly bucks? Um? Some of the it's a mixture. Um. You know, I've run cameras scrapes and your buck betting and just general high traffic are scrapes.

The does I mean they love scrapes. Man. The liting branches are always in their year round, so I let those cameras seem to be doing a little bit better, um with the buck movement now than the buck you know, I guess betting scrapes. Uh, so my cameras are on does the community scrapes are doing extremely well for bucks, So just a little late and uh for hunting purposes in the in the marsh world. So let's just say wetlands in general, because you know you're hunting marshes. Guys

that swamps. Some guys hunting bogs, you know, but it's all kind of like wet ground. Uh, but dear make scrapes. It's the thing they do. So in that type of country year, are those you're actually going to find high ground to scrape or or like what does it look like in that wet country? Uh? Sometimes it's been dry in the last couple of years and now we've had that hurricane and feel the storms to some of the

traditional scraping areas underwater. So they've just moved it to the next piece, um, like the one that's like a holly tree, Like they like holly trees, and they move the next holly tree on high ground that's where it's scraping. It's like twenty yards away, um, which is kind of nice because it's a better advantage for me getting in and out of that piece actually, So I got a good chance of seeing a good deer in that one. So when you're so, when you're uh, like, conditions change

like that, change like that so much? Um does it? I mean is it pretty much? Just? Is it? You rely on just getting in the woods and tear it up during the season. Are you relying on past boot scouting or you know, how does that look? Or are you map scouting that stuff too? Or what? Mike sure

of everything? You know? Cameras my time in the woods. Uh, I mean you can run a thousand cameras if you can't decipe to the deer side when you're walking in Uh, the timera think going to help you, because I call it you a death by data. You can have too much data. You overthink everything. So you just need to you need to know this week of October scrapes they start daywalking and you go sohanto scrapes and halftime you don't see anything. But when you do see something usually

it's a really good dear. So it's a mixture of both. I use the trail camera stuff and I look at the moon and wind and stuff. Like that, but I try not get too bogged down with the data. I think you will definitely for me, I'm not. I can't process that too much data, Like I'll just go and saying think about everything I don't need to be thinking about and a second guess every move. So yeah, there's like a moon thing where you could definitely get bogged

down on that. But it's interesting to me. And if I know you and you you know back this up. So if you could just give us high level like your thoughts on the moon, like what's like the thing if you're gonna pick out like okay, if you're just gonna barely pay attention to the moon, look for this, what would it be? It's first light, last light? Um, the middle of October seems to be like the fifteen

through first light, last light, the first hour of light. Uh, the red underfoot matching, Um, your red underfoot first light got you? So you're sinking that up? Yeah? So so A you want the sun to be like ninety degrees from the moon pretty much if you can do that, yeah, yeah, directly overhead, directly underfoot. Um, And I've had success, you know, the early am like seven am. If you get those things to match up first light in the first hour, so overhead or underfoot, I seem to get they're coming

back to bed later, bigger dear. Yeah, And I don't like, I'm not just they it's been deep a hun times, but I know a lot of my dear have been killed on those mornings hunting beds close to bedding. Well, so I was like, well, I'm gonna go with what works for me. Yeah, Well, you mentioned time period that is coming up to be that. So if you're looking forward as to like, you know what you think the next week will be in the deer woods for buck movement,

what would you think that that's gonna look like? I think, um, it's been a slow start here in Jersey, um as in my buddy and Delaware is the same thing. Um script is kind of hot, kind of died off, and use when it happens we get around the eighteenth of October, it's gonna just really it's gonna be like a light switch. Uh. And like this week, I think choosing winds that we've got some cold weather, so I think you're going to

see a lot more daylight movement. These bucks find out where the does are find out where the feet are, you know, and and does a buck say, might not be showing you you haven't seen it, just pop up for a few days and be gone. So it's a good time to be in the week, the time to be in the woods. Yes, sir, so buck movement one to ten. If you had to rate it next week, I'm gonna give it a six killing six man. That's good man. I get sixty percent of the time. It

works every time. Alright, man, well thanks for doing this. Yeah, man, all right, right here on the phone, I've got Mark OLiS He's from Moultrie Mobile and he's out in Alabama. Mark, you've been hunting a little bit. You'll just open the season, right. We just started Saturday was our archery opener. Uh and it it was hot. It was in the eighties. Uh and and we're one of the you know, last states to open. So we're always sitting here so anxious for season.

As with social media, we see all our buddies out hunting, you know, for a month and a half sooner. So it was awesome to get in the woods. And and you know, I was able to harvest a dough so that that's part of our management plan. And it's it's meeting the freezer. So I had a good weekend. That's awesome, dude. Yeah, it's always I don't know, dude, I can shoot a dough and still just be juiced. Man. It's like there's something about that moment of truth I guess they call it.

But when you shoot something, you know, it's a it's a power ful thing. Man. You're taking the life of something and you don't want to mess it up, and you don't you want it to be quick and ethical, and there's so many different variables. So I'm glad you got to do that. Um. Absolutely, you know with that, why do you guys open so late? Is it because of different ruts and stuff like that? Yeah, so you know that's our season. So our rut is so late

in the state as a whole. Um, we do have various rut dates throughout the state, but for the for the majority of the state, you're looking at uh a late December through January rut. Um. So it's a super late rut right now. Our deer are totally in an early season pattern. Um. And and in fact, you know, we still got deer that that are clinging to to velvet and it also has to do with our falling drop.

Our our fawn drop is is later. You know, it's more in endo July into August, so it allows those um fawns to grow more and and and everything like that. So yeah, it's all a biological reason. Man. That's cool. It's it's super interesting. I'm I'm gonna have to swing out there at some point, you know, in the next couple of years, if not this year too, to check that out. You know that late rut stuff. Now you guys are you said you're in a preseason kind of pattern. Um,

so how did you kill this dough? And you know, is it the same type of tactics you would use if you were trying to shoot a nice buck? Yeah, so it can be so right now, the pattern is you know, food cover. That's that's what the deer doing bucks and does. Um. And so this particular set up, Um, it wasn't a really good wind, but uh we we just put a built a shooting house in this spot last year and it's so we're able to close the windows and everything. So that's what I did. I didn't

have a great wind. I closed the windows. It was probably like eighty degrees and We had a feeder up in our food plot is also just starting to come up. We planted a couple of weeks ago, so they are starting to target and hit those food plot sources. But we had a feeder set up and and those deer came in. We're coming to that feeder. They fed around a little bit, and you know, I was able to open the window right before I needed to make the shot,

so I didn't get my sin out there. So the whole plan worked well, even though it wasn't an ideal set up. Yeah, what kind of what kind of food you got in the food plot? So we've got a mixture of We've got oats, we've got triticale, we've got some peas, We've got various clovers. We've got some radishes in there. And I mean that stuff is all about two inches three inches now coming up. I mean it's that succulent new growth and they're really mowing on it.

Cool man. So you know, being from multimobile, I imagine you've got a lot of cameras out. Are you seeing bucks in daylight right now? So what I'm seeing right out is kind of what you'd expect to see. It's it's the younger bucks. I'm seeing one and a half year old two and a half year old bucks. Um, they are on a heavy, very predictable pattern, hitting feeders, hitting food plots. They're out in the morning, they're out in the afternoon, plenty of daylight. Um. The mature dear, Yeah,

I am not seeing any daylight activity. It's all the middle of the night, very late. Um. You know, even a couple hours after dark starting to see those. But I'm not seeing any daylight activity. Sure, I got you. Okay, that's good to know. So um with that, if you were hunting mature bucks in the next week, First of all, I'd like to know based off weather patterns, moon, uh, time of year, um, all these different things that you

would factor in. Hey, I'd like to know what you what you kind of hYP hypothetical, what you think on a scale of one to ten, the buck movement will be like. And then also i'd like to you tell me how you would go about uh finding a mature buck. Well, I'll tell you. So if for next week it's it's looking not very good. Um. And this time of year, I go a lot off of the weather that dictates so much. We have a big cold front coming in tonight. If you were hunting in the next couple of days, man,

you're gonna get some good cold weather. I bet the bucks are gonna be on their feet more so I'll be interested to see that on camera. But next week it's gonna be upper seventies to eighty. Later in the

week it's gonna be very hot. And and to be perfectly honest, if you do have an area where there's a mature buck and and you know, it may be better to stay out of there and wait for better conditions, because there's a high probability of really boogering up a stand right now, and you don't want to bump that buck somewhere else. So I would I would tell guys in this area be leary about your spot. Unless you can sneez you can sneak out, and you've got the

perfect win. Otherwise, I just don't think the daylight movement is going to be very good on mature bucks in the next week. Sure, so, uh, those are wise words for one scale of one to ten buck movement in the next week. Gosh, mature bucks, I mean three, I mean it's I feel pretty pretty low about mature buck movement. Next week. And and it's because of the early season. We have no rut activity here at this time like the rest of the country. Um. And and it's gonna

be hot. Yeah yeah, those are I mean, that's a good number, realistic, man. We we appreciate that. We appreciate you hopping on giving us the rundown on Alabama. Uh. Maybe later this year into December area, when that rut kicks off, we might have to have you back on to talk about how those bucks are moving more on a seven or eight scale. So I appreciate you, Mark, and uh, I hope the best for you this season. Hey, thanks a lot, same to you. We appreciate it all. Right.

Now on the phone, we've got Nate Crick from Identical Draw. Dude, what's going on right now? You're in the truck. I'm in the truck. I'm driving through the great state of Kansas. Um Man, it's uh, it's starting to get real good. So we're Thomas and I are trying to spend as much time in the field as possible. That's exciting. So, uh, starting to get real good. So I guess you've been

been all up in them lately. Huh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we uh just got back from South Dakota last week and had a super successful hunt, one of our probably top three or top five public land hunts ever, which is saying a lot like we were pretty covered up in Deeter. So it was awesome. Man, that's cool. You end up, was it you or Tom that killed one?

It was me? It was it was me day two? Yeah, we uh man, it was It was an awesome home in this In this one piece of public we spotted like, I don't know, probably five or six shooters and uh, eventually in the evening I was able to sneak into range of two white tails. One of them was a shooter, one of them was kind of young. Um, and yeah, I was in this this bottom of this draw, uh and made it happen. So it was it was an

exciting hunt. That's awesome to congrats on that, And uh, I'm interested in and you know, learning a little more about kind of what you were focused on. I know, you know, at any time you can randomly see a deer and and go, um, you know, stalk up on him. But I'm sure you're in the area for a reason. What is that? Yeah, So basically the wind last week

was insane. We were dealing with like gusts of like for like insane, Like we were both hunting in that and like most of the time a lot of the train like we couldn't even shoot it with our our tree equipment corners. Yeah, what we were looking for was like hills that and draws that would keep the deer

out of the wind. So the wind was out of the west um, and so we're looking we kind of kind of those like uh, east facing hills where we knew that they kind of be tucked in there just like basically out of the wind um and deep draws and that's exactly where we found a deer. So hunting in those like hunting and our winds like sucks so bad. But man, if you can like the deer in like

very very predictable spots. So yeah, we we focused on those deep draws, and like literally every time we found like similar stuff like that, man, we were we were finding deer pretty fast. And that's that's a good point.

You know, anytime there's there's some kind of like outrageous condition, it kind of like it kind of for instance, like here locally we've got uh, we're in a pretty bad drought, and so we had we know, one of the best bass lakes in the country locally, and you know, technically there's a lot less places for these fish to hide, so you know, and so that that's kind of one of those things like you know, you can actually be successful if you get out there and do it same

same thing on you know, fishing on windy days and stuff like that. Like you're talking about hunting, So that's pretty interesting. Now if you were if you up there like saying this next week, um, what would you be

focused on? Uh, just say the wind was out of the out of the mix here, Yeah, I would be focused on some pretty similar things, but I'd honestly be doing a lot more I don't know, we were doing a lot of glassing and scouting that way, but I'd be doing probably a lot more boots in the ground and like fresh sign, which we do still quite a bit, but like, I mean, you're gonna have bucks starting to get pretty amped up doing a lot of scrapes and stuff. Um, and in this area we're hunting like a lot of

the white tail stuff. So I'd be looking for a lot of those that that sign kind of stuff and then just expecting buck movement to increase and just for them to start moving like just a lot more in daylight and stuff. I would be just hunting more predictable um DAWs and like travel areas where like you know those bucks are gonna start to kind of being interested and like moving a lot more and just those It's not like it's not full on the Vember up, but i'd be like kind of starting to tone in on

some of those travel apps. Sure, yeah, that makes sense. I got you. So, uh, scale of one to ten, what do you assume buck movement's gonna be like next week? Man? I would uh, I would assume it's probably whether it's like like moderately good. Nothing I can say, but I got to give it a six out of ten at least like it's over. So like i'd be I would

be like looking forward to on that again. I mean right now actually they like we have seriously like good cold leather, but um yeah, I mean it's gonna be It's gonna be fine. Sometimes I feel like people give this time in October kind of a rough go, but man, it is one of my favorite times to get in the world. That's good man. We've had some very very much realistic people on this podcast so far this week,

and uh, I appreciate that realism. I appreciate what you guys do, the messaging, you guys do, what you attempt to do with helping people out here maybe not as privileged as you guys. And yeah, man keep going, man, get after this season. I hope the rut goes well for you and we'll be talking to you sing. Yeah, thanks, Tyler, appreciate it well if it's em Old Mark Kenyon believes

in the October law. According to a recent headline from an article on Wired to Hunt website, Tony has been writing some good articles over there as well about calling and hunting public land on our end. You should see our dude hunter Dickens get a shot at the South Dakota public Land toad on our YouTube channel this week. So go check all these out. This has been rough, fresh, Keep fresh, y'all,