Ep. 496: Rut Fresh Radio 12/22/2021 - The Final Episode of 2021

Wire to hunts Rout Fresh Radio. I am your host, Spencer nor This is episode four hundred and nine six, And this weekend we are joined by Mark Kenyon, who, for maybe the first time all season, has back to back buck movement reports from his home state of Michigan. So Mark, tell us about what you're seeing in Michigan

over the last week. Yeah, well, let's se here. I was out Saturday mentoring a new hunter, and then Sunday night I went out on my own, and then Monday night I was scouted and just glassed and in general pretty darn good movement. Um, we have decently cold temperatures, not super frigid cold, but kind of around average. I guess it's been the thirties and that was last week. This is following last week when we had like fifty degree temperatures. So a few days after the front moved through.

Was when I was hunting thirty degree ish temperatures, and the night on the back forty when I was mentoring a new hunter, we had like ten or eleven deer come out and feed out in front of us. Um that last hour daylight, so pretty good daylight, you know,

end of the night type movement that you could expect. Um. The next day, I was hunting on my own, going out with a bow on one of my local places, trying to get a crack at my target buck here in the last couple of days, and while I didn't see him, there was a ton of deer moving, I mean lots and lots of doughs came out early. A bunch of young bucks came out, um, and they were moving, you know, a couple hours before dark. They're already on their feet and getting after it out in these cut

corn fields. And then last night when I glassed a different area, I was looking at another cut corn field and a little food plot, and again similar tons of deer. I probably saw I don't know, twenty to thirty deer maybe that came out feeding, and that included five six bucks probably, and one of them was a buck that's been on like the maybe list for me. He's I'm pretty sure a three year old, but a really nice

looking three year old. And um, I watched him come out feeding that cut corn, kind of move into that food plot and just kind of meander around with a group of four or five other bucks. So the bucks are kind of back in groups. The deer heard it up pretty good. Now. It's it's that very standard late season activity. They're moving on cold evenings, going to the best food and you know, finding places where they feel safe. And I was able to get eyes on a couple

of spots like that. Unfortunately didn't see one of my big boys, but good to see dear, good to get activity. I give it like a seven. Maybe on seven, you know about a ten scale, I'd say probably yeah. And that's the best part about late season is seeing numbers of deer and seeing predictable deer movement, which sounds like

exactly what you witnessed in Michigan. Now, if this were a rut hunting episode, Mark, I would ask you to talk about sort of the pillars of the rut, and then you would say something about betting and pinch points and finding does and just spending time in the field. Right, Well, this is our last episode of the year, but I think for the most part, things are kind of on

change for these next three or four weeks. If you have a season that goes into mid January, So mark, if somebody is going to be out there for this next month and they're going to be trying to kill a buzzer beater buck. What are some of the pillars of late season white tail hunting? All Right? So if I were to simplify late season hunting down to the absolute, very most important pillars of this whole thing, it would

be these three things. Number One, find sanctuaries. Find areas where deer have um found a safe spot, basically where deer have gone to to avoid hunting pressure. Because that's the biggest thing at this point of year, is that deer and bucks especially have been hunted for months on end. These deer are kg they're sick of being harassed, they're sick and being hunted, they're sick of being shot at. And right now deer are gonna be in the places

where they have been left alone, at least relatively. That's where you're gonna find deer right now. If you can get to a spot where they feel safe, you can have really good hunting even if you don't have the best food in the world. Even you know that, I think I think we always assume food is the very most important thing in the late season, and it's it's

gonna be my number two pillars. So I'm gonna mention it's very important if you have amazing food, but you've been pounding the heck out of it every day and those deer do not feel safe there. You're not going to see him during daylight. You're not going to get a shot at a buck. So you need to have that safe space. You've gotta find where these deer feel safe.

So you need to either carefully scout to find that spot, or hopefully you know where that kind of spot already is and you can just wait till the right time to hunt it. Or you can go out there place cameras, do some long distance scouting. Whatever it is, rEFInd those deer, relocate the deer, determine where it is they've found a sanctuary. There's number one, number two food. If you can get number one and two lined up a safe space and high quality late season food, you have a dynamite set up.

Deer are living and dying by their stomachs right now. They need to refuel after the rut. They need to pack on the calories before winter as we're getting into the heat or the heart of winter. So getting on those best high energy food sources is really going to be key. So deer gonna be flocking to things like like soybeans, uh like certain late season food plots like brassicas.

If there's red oaks in your area that are still on the ground, red oak acorns or something that stick around a lot more this time of year, that'll be something dear keying in on. If they don't have something like agricultural fields, find what that hot food sources now and know that that's going to really dictate the movement patterns of deer. Deer aren't gonna be cruising now. They're not gonna be going and checking bedding areas. They're not

gonna be running through pinch points. All they're gonna do is navigate from their safe bedding to their safe food and move as little as possible between those two places. Because they're trying to preserve energy. They don't want to use any more energy than necessary. Right now, because stuff is gonna get cold, nasty, and tough to survive in these coming weeks and months. So they're all about efficiency

from now through March. Deer all about efficiency. Give me food, give me safety, move as little as possible in between. So find the sanctu where you find the food. And finally, the third pillar is timing your hunt right. And really that's mostly related to weather. You know, if you've got that icy, crazy, cold, frigid temperature kind of day that comes through, I mean talking much colder than average for

your area. For me here in Michigan, that's you know, give me single digits or below zero digits, and that's going to get those deer on their feet earlier than usual. Especially that big mature buck that's maybe been nocturnal all the last three or four or five weeks. That will be the thing that will get him on his feet moving in daylight that evening. So if I've got those frigid temperatures, I love that. If I've got the big snow store on the pushes through the wind and the

snow blows through a big blizzard. And now that day after, when the weather has cleared, it's cold, there's six inches of new snow on the ground and now it's like a high pressure bluebird day. I love a day like that too. So those are the kinds of days when you'll have that extra special movement in those sanctuary food type areas. So if you're just trying to kill a dough or young buck, you don't need to wait for

that weather. You can get out there on most days in a safe, good food source area and bill kill a deer. But if you're trying to kill that one five year old or that whatever it is, those special weather days will usually be the trick to get a move in just a little bit earlier. So those are my three pillars. Give me a sanctuary, give me the best late season high energy food, and give me a really nice cold or fresh snowy day, and I'm gonna be feeling really good about my laces and chances. I

like it. Mark. And if you already have your tags filled, um, but you have a season that is open this late or even later, I think there's a lot of value when just scouting this time of year and putting together a plan for next year, um, because maybe you won't have a tag filled come this point next year. And historical patterns can be really predictable. Um in late December and early January. It's almost like the least surprising places you see deer in the late season, and that's gonna

happen year after year after year. And so you can learn a lot if you just go out and drive around glassom evenings, if you have a job that has a Christmas break, or your student you have a Christmas break, I think you can learn a lot that would off further you're hunting in years to come. Yeah, I percent

agree with that. Who else we're gonna hear from this week is Seth Trokey in Illinois, Jacob Myers in Alabama, Brett Joy in New Hampshire, and then Caleb Combs in Oklahoma and again Mark, this is our final episode of this season of rut Fresh Radio, and I imagine we'll have a recap episode, but either way, we will talk to you again next year. Great work this year, Spencer, It's been fun. I love following along, so best lucked

everybody out there. Get it done here in the end of the season, all right, and joining us on the line first is Seth Rokey in Illinois from Bad Country Hunters and anglers now seth in Illinois, what would you say the buck activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten. So lately here in Illinois it's been about it too. I would say everything from the ruts slowed down and we're kin just seeing deer moving right before dark to food sources. Is it historically that

slow this time of year in Illinois? Yeah, historically it is. It is like that this time of year here. We had a weird rut, weird weather year with pretty warm temperatures in a kind of strange rut h just short where I was at, and we didn't see too much like heavy chasing stuff like that. Um, But yeah, this time of year, they're going to be hitting the food usually right before dark. And what are those food sources that are relevant for deer hunters in that part of

the country. So definitely right now, especially where I'm at Illinois, they're hitting the cut corn fields that haven't been disked over usually right before dark. And then if you have any acorns or anything like that, Um, you might be a fuming cut bean field if there's any any loss, but just agg fields and and normal stuff for this time year around here. Have you been seeing any secondary running activity in Illinois this December. I guess early on

December a little bit. Um, the those that weren't bread. We're still getting the book out and about a little bit. But right now it's I think the ruts down for what kind of shift in betting do you notice when we get into late season in the Midwest. So noticing my trail cameras and just observing deer um being out and about, I've noticed that it's totally changed their betting

closer to the food where they don't have to move much. Um, it's been really windy to this this season, so they've been bedding betting on like the side of the slopes where the winds not hitting in the south basic slopes mostly. But yeah, that's what they're doing. Now. You mentioned they'd be running some trail cameras. Right now, where do you want those located? As we get in late December, So right now I'm putting my cameras on food and intersecting trails near the food so I can kind of see

what made it through gun season and what's still out there. Um, kind of watch them for when they're gonna start dropping antlowers and stuff. So you're out there and take inventorI on shed going forward. Then in this next week or so, what do you think that bucket activity is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Illinois. I'm gonna say it's still gonna be a two, maybe a one, but yeah, the rut activities pretty much. I would say over over Um, you might get lucky and

catch them going to food, but that's your best bet. Alright, Seth, good luck with what's up your season. Thanks for joining me, Thank you all right and joining us on the line. Next is Jacob Myers and Alabama from the Southern Outdoorsman. Jacob in Alabama, what would you say the bucket activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten, That's been a strong seven so far in the season, especially where we're at here kind of coming in from

central Alabama. Something very specific about Alabama with the restocking that happened back here in the nineteen hundreds. Uh we have uh six different uh pete breeding days throughout the season based on different regions in the state and where we're at right now at pete breeding happened based off the fetal measurements and testing the boutus have done. Between

December fourteenth through the seventeenth is pete breeding days. And right now we're starting to get back a little more of a higher kick up with some of these bigger bucks on their feet. It's a really good time the year be killing some good deer. Um. But uh, it's exciting. And killed my buck and I killed a five and a half year old last week last Friday, and uh he was fighting off a couple of bucks while he was on top of the dough. So uh, it's a great time the year. Teen this season or be out

in the woods right now in Alabama. So for most of the state, what do you expect to be seeing for signmaking right now? Signmaking is kind of slow down. Um, it will pick up. Scrapes will pick up a little bit more of the next few days. Uh. Currently right now,

scrapes are still being somewhat abandoned. Um. Of course rubs too. Um. But it's a great time of the year to be starting tarting back on those scrapes, especially those scrapes right now that we've been finding inside into stick security cover. One thing special about Alabama, we have a very long gun season, which can be um, you know, kind of hard on the deer. So the deer really do dive into these thickets, especially these does, to try to get

away from these bucks. So those scrapes inside that thick cover can be excellent right now, especially for running trail cameras, but also something that you'll see popping up a little bit more and hot and heavy of the next few days in December in that part of the country. What food sources are relevant food sources. So if you can find some red oaks cell the grounds still gonna be awesome right now. Uh, it's been pretty hit or miss

right now. They cleaned up all the oaks earlier in the season, it seems like from what I was finding, but a lot of brows. You know, we don't have very harsh winters down here, of course being as far south, but again the brows, a lot of green brier and everything else. Uh, is still gonna be very relative always

to the end of the season. So any of that really thick security cover or these clear cuts, or he's gonna have that browse that the does are gonna be feeding in, and that's where you're gonna find the bucks. Where do you want to be running your trail cameras in late December in Alabama on a scrape in a thicket.

Without a doubt, we're getting some awesome uh footage right now growing some cell cameras uh and some six security betting on some primary scrapes and it's been pretty awesome this first year using CeAl cameras are kind of king in when these deer or especially these bucks really hitting those scrapes, uh and the doe groups coming to that thicket. So definitely, you know, put in cell camera, putting camera inside that thick security cover on the scrape is gonna

be very um, you guess important for you. Or if you're hunting some privately and we have a lot of public if you're hunting privately and if you have a really good gustation food source maybe like a really good food pot that just isn't getting hit very hard by hunting pressure, that might be a really good place, especially with a buck trying to check the who's right now at this time of the season, when you have bucks rutting in Alabama and late December, what is the idea

of morning set up look like for you? And then what does the ideal evening set up look like? Oh, I like that question. I love mornings. I love mornings uh in and around cutovers, clear cuts, especially if you can get one that's just a few years old. Um, it seems like you can always catch and those in their feeding. Uh. And those bucks absolutely cruising inside that thick covered and you can get elevated and get a

good elevation on. You can really see down into that stuff. Uh. So that's a fantastic mornings by and then the afternoons getting still around some of those thickets, whether it's you know, five six year old ponds um that's been replanted or just a really thick cut over again in the evenings and setting up where you're gonna have some bucks cruising those edges um, and also some of those exit trails that those are coming out of that stuff, going down

into the boggs and feeding. Are you doing any calling or decoying this time of year? And then it up on the decoin a little bit with the calling again mixed results. You know. I've talked to some individuals, uh, one named Richard Fought have event ton of success using grunts this time of the year. Uh. You're tending grunts really, um, but again very hit or miss based off, you know,

kind of where you're at. So something I personally don't use a whole bunch by no guys that do have success this time of year in Alabama calling when you have the Southern Road happening and say you have a really warm stretch of weather roll in. How do you combat that? Is? Are there any specific spots that you want to be hunting if you have some really warm days this time of year. I'll say this, these Southern

deer are fairly used to it. Um. You know, it's not gonna come down like you know, focusing on water. We have water everywhere. Every draine is gonna have water, so that's never a factor, um, But really kind of

comes more down to uh positioning. You know. Of course those does are gonna still be in that thick cover and really a lot of the stuff that we do, we try to target the thickest cover we can find because right now those don't want to be harassed by the bucks they're in that stuff and get away from and those bucks are always on those edges, popping out that and really trying to cover ground and cut trails. So I'll say this, when I shot my book last Friday, Um,

it was sixty five degrees. I was hunting in pretty much just a T shirt. Following day with seventy two degrees and I was hunting in just a T shirt. So you know, it's one of the things you can't

really help that down here. But definitely when we have a temperature swing like we had today, especially over this next week, you're gonna see a lot of really good movement, especially later on in the day going forward, then in the next week or so, what do you think the bucket ATVD is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Alabama? In Alabama, I'm gonna say, for unless you're in the very southern part of the state, it's gonna be pretty fantastic. I'd say it probably close

to an eight, if not maybe higher. Uh, definitely, you know, if you can get out, if you're in Alabama, you can get out in the hunt this week, you have a very good chance, especially central part of the state, to be able to kill one of your bitterer, bigger and better bucks. Uh. Again, in these bucks are back on their feet looking for you know, whichever dose still about to come to heat before we get that secondary rut, which we do have a very strong secondary rut around

here based off the deer population. Uh So again it's just now getting good in alban we get a long season ahead of us. Uh So it's time to finally buckle down and get after them. Our Jacob, congrats on your success so far and good luck with the rest of your season. Thanks for joining me. Thank you, Spencer, alright and joining us on the line. Next is Brett Joy in New Hampshire from the Just Hunt Club. Now,

Brett in New Hampshire. What would you say the buck activity is been lately on a scale of one to ten, Hey, Spencer, I'd say it's been U probably a six or seven. Um, it's been I'd say above average, which is good. I think it's probably tapered off a bit from the road obviously, which are nearly a month removed from now. Um. But um, it seems like it's kind of hit or mess. But movement can be really good. Um, if you've found an

area that's relatively low pressure. UM, if you have a quality food source, um, if we have, or you have some good weather which you've seen kind of um flashes of the last week or so. Um, or if you get that second red activity, which it seems to be a pretty real thing in the East that I see more and more of. I don't know if I see more and more of it every year, but I become more and more aware of it, if that makes sense. What is a quality food source in one of the

New England states this time of year? Man, we're such a diverse area. Obviously the hamps is the state that I focus on. Um, we're unfortunately closed. But you know that could the acorns um at this point in the year. It could be an old apple orchard, or an apple or working apple orchard. UM could be you know, browsing a cut. I actually had a hunt last week, right, I hit a buck high and mature buck um. But

that was over a food plot. So if you have the ability to plant that, um, you know, that's that's a new hand. Sure it could be you know, I was in Ohio over the weekends. That could be beans, corn and food plot there. It could be baked, it could be you know, whatever. Whatever. So it really is pretty um diversed in the eastern half of the country. But I think being able to identify that food source and then confirmed the gear using it's gonna be super

helpful for you. What kind of areas should hunters in the east who were in the Big Woods focus on if they want to see some of that secondary running activity this time of year. I would focus on, you know, areas with thozen with with food sources. Like we said before, so in the big woods, UM, I would focus if you have mass crop like southern half of probably New England does, or um whatnot, I've focused on acorns. If you're up north, I'd focus on cuts and then areas

just haven't been getting a lot of pressure. The other thing that I like the cana on it's, if possible as self station slopes because as it gets cold up here in the snow starts to pilot, the deer really start to move to those self facing slopes and then bottoms if possible. UM. So, well, those deer, a lot of them are going to move out of the high country um or what we call high country out ease. It's not a high completed to the west, but it's

you know, the higher elevations for your area. They're gonna move to lower elevations and so sutherly facing slopes and a lot of the times so suddenly facing slopes will be um hard woods and have a fair amount of oak. If you've got a fresh snow when you're doing some in seasoned scouting in the big woods, what are some things that you're looking for. UM. I would say that if your seasons still open and you have that fresh snow in the big woods, you ought to try to

be tracking down a buck. But if that's not your thing, or maybe it's R three season, UM, I wouldn't be looking for feeding sign UM in those areas that you know we've identified as food sources. You can hunt right there on those and you may have some good luck, um if the deer have them pressured. If they have, then you may want to try to backtrack UM those deer to a betting area. It's possible from that food source. So I'd probably start with just trying to hunt that

food source getting the winter right and start conservatively. But if I'm not seeing any deer activity there during daylight and I'm thinking they're getting there later, I might try to try to backtrap putiously from that food source to a betting area and then hunt kind of that transition or maybe even right on the edge of the betting area to pingpond. What kind of deal that activity you're seeing in the late season in the Northeast. What does

the morning set up look like for you? Um? Honestly, unless I'm tracking and probably knocking on a lot of mornings, UM, I don't know if that's the right approach. It's just for me. The season has been a long one, um, and you're trying to beat deer back to bed, which can be tough. Um. I'm probably gonna focus on those evenings. But I guess if I had to hunt a morning, I mean, they may look pretty similar to the evening setups. I may hunt a food source. Um, it's not a

lot of the food sources aren't super defined. So it's not like you know, they're going to be seeing in a one acre area. They may be feeding in a you know, ten area. So the chances of you going in and the deer being right where your stand is, you know, when you're approaching, aren't super high. Um. So it really depends on your situation. I'd say, but I'd be hunting on a food source or you know, a

betting area. Going forward, then the six week or so, where do you think that bucket activity is going to be on a scale of one to ten in New Hampshire. I think it will probably be right around the seven. The temperatures look like they're good. I think the only thing we didn't touch upon is cold fronts of weather that's gonna obviously increase activity significantly. Late season is really

driven by snow and cold up here. Once you get the snow in the cold, the more dramatic the activity is, the more concentrated it is, and the better hunting it is. And it looks like we do have some colder weather moving in. Nothing super dramatic, but it looks like we have maybe some snow and some some colder temperatures. So

I would say they're going to continue to move. You're gonna continue to see some of that second right activity, as you know, but sure those are cycling into this for the second time and maybe some of those funds are coming in for the first time. So I think it's a pretty good outlook for the next coming week. All right, Brett, congrats on the great season, Thanks for joining me. Thanks man alright and joining us on the line. Next is Caleb Combs in Oklahoma from Stewart Ranch Outfitters.

Caleb in Oklahoma, what would you say the buck activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten, I would say it's been about a seventh, but that's only because I'm always optimistic about late season. It's my favorite time of year to hunt. Um, so I still have it high. You can get it done. I've seen a lot of bucks in the recent trips I've taken lately during daylight hours. I don't know on camera they're still moving, but i'd have it higher like usually Lazias.

And I haven't like a nye. Just the weather has been terrible, um top and it's dry. We meet some rain in a bad way. So I mean all of our food plots got hammers because we haven't had since October and there's basically nothing left, not a ton of acorns. I mean they're just all real spread out right now. And what is it about late December in Oklahoma that always makes you so optimistic? Uh? I love anything post rut,

so I'm not a big rut fan. I like before rut, but especially like after just because I'm a big fan of food um and late season you can find them on the food's horses trying to recover. And I also like all the rifle hunters and all the pressure they put on them because usually it moves everything around. Um. So, I just I like everything about late season. You mentioned

that you've been out without rain for a minute. Does that mean you've had a focus on water sources this fall or does it not matter much in that part of the country. I don't ever focus on water. I mean it seems like you should. So. I mean like there are times through my evolution as a hunter where I ran cameras on springs are on the you know, the holes that are always in the creek while the whole creatures dry and ponds. I just haven't had much luck with that. I think we get enough to do enough,

you know, frosts and other things. You know, like I've never seen it be a a plausible way to kill deer. Have you seen much of a secondary rout this year in Oklahoma? Uh? Depends where you're at. The place that I hunt most frequently has a very high deer population. UM, and it gets weird down there. I would say it's more I'm sure y'all had the podcast before, like Louisiana style, you know, like where you've had a bunch of year that have come in from different places, and it's a

weird topography. So we have a lot of run activity. Um, So that's what I'm used to. I'm used to a really long rut um. But around my home place, it's not. It's not that way just because all those deer are fairly similar and it's all crop land, and that one kind of comes and goes more traditional. So Oklahoma is just very weird. Um. We have a lot of different topography, a lot of different you know, subclimates or whatever. So

it really depends on where you're at. You could be in southeastern Oklahoma and you could be in northwestern Oklahoma. It is a nine day difference. Where do you want to be running your trail cameras this time of year?

I am always running them this time of year on teaches that lead to food sources, and I've still gone them on scrapes because i mean, like the big family scrapes they're still hitting um and then anything that I've got real you can see all the trails now, I mean this time with all the leaves gone and just they've been wearing them down. I mean you can see everything that they've been running in between all the bedding areas. So if you can get on the edges of those.

On food sources, you can pick up a dynamite inventory on who's left for this year and especially who's left for next year. So my favorite times to run cameras to get optimistic about next year and try and find where they're gonna be when they shed, because I love shed helping. It's common this time a year to see a shift in bedding in the Midwest and in the north, in the Northeast. But is that something that you also see in Oklahoma when you have such mild weather. I

don't know. I don't know if it's the shift embedding I do see. I think maybe it is, But usually I more associated with red activity just because, like I said, the place that I hunt idear population and they're still trying to clean up the last bit of those that are coming in. So I've always associated that first week in December, which is my favorite week to go hunting with like late secondary rut, because a lot of new bucks will come in. But it could possibly be from

a shift in bedding as well. Um, I'd have to look into that further. Like as far as local, I definitely see a shift, and I'm always following the shift. I don't know if it's late rudder or bedding closer to food sources via solid you look into going forward. Then in the sext week or so, what do you think that bucket activity is going to be on a scale of one to ten? In Oklahoma, we had a little cold front like the last two days, but it is.

It looks like it's leaving again. It's gonna be seventies going into Christmas, so I'll be out trying to shoot those. I mean, that's my main goal. It's a holiday antler last season. Uh So, I think you can get out, put some meat in the freezer, and you can definitely be still successful on bucks. But it is gonna be hot, like all the crops like the alfalfa and stuff that I hunt after the last cut barely end of it's come back, and they haven't planned the winter week a

bunch of places. So I mean, it's just it's tough on fruit towards us right now. Alright, Caleb, good luck with what's left of your season. Thanks for joining me. Hey, thank you so much. Good luck to YouTube. And that concludes a rout Fresh Radio for thanks to Seth, Jacob Brett and Caleb for joining me. Thank you guys for

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