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WW 922: There's Never a "Not OK" Button - End of Skype, MWC25, Rust-inovich

Mar 05, 20252 hr 27 minEp. 922
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Skype to EOL in May, replaced by the consumer Teams client, which is surprisingly good now. There are three possible responses to this:

  • "They still make Skype?"
  • The 13 people who rely on Skype for calling landlines come out of the woodwork.
  • "Come on, Microsoft telegraphed this two years ago"

Plus, Opera previews what an AI agent in a browser can be used for. Firefox 136 now comes with vertical tabs (again), updated sidebar, AI chatbots, and more. And a Google-related tip that lets one see what it's like to live in the EU, minus the universal health care and other social safety nets.

Windows

  • Microsoft FINALLY updates the Copilot app in Windows 11 for the 127th time - What Microsoft didn't tell anyone. Arrives just after the release of a native Mac client
  • Three months of Recall, and it IS controversial, just not for the reasons you think
  • Dev and Beta (last week): lock screen widget customizing (finally), Windows Share updates (again), Task Manager CPU usage calculation change (seriously), more
  • It may be controversial at Linux, but not at Microsoft, which is all-in on Rust
  • Intel delays Ohio fabs until after the earth careens into the sun
  • Dell up 7 percent to $23.9 billion ($11.9 billion from PCs)
  • HP up 2.4 percent to $13.5 billion ($9.2 billion from PCs)
  • Intel brings Core Ultra Series 2 "Arrow Lake" chips to commercial market

Microsoft 365

  • Microsoft finally puts Skype out of its misery
  • A look back at 22 years of Skype
  • Outlook Mobile gets delivery and read receipts

AI

  • USA! USA! USA! Microsoft makes AI export changes easy to understand for our stupid government
  • OpenAI announces GPT-4.5, its final non-reasoning model
  • Microsoft brings new local distilled DeepSeek models to Copilot+ PCs, starting with Snapdragon X - a little hands-on
  • Microsoft announces Dragon Copilot for clinical workflow
  • Stability AI + Arm Holdings = generative AI audio, more to come
  • Scam Detection in Messages for Pixel and Android
  • Gemini improvements including upcoming features
  • Apple's struggles with AI are real. Just ask Siri. Kidding, no one asks Siri anything

Xbox

  • New Game Pass titles for first half of March
  • Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3+4 coming to all platforms including Game Pass on July 11
  • Sony slashes prices on VR2 months after it stopped building it

Tips & Picks

  • Tip of the week: Remove yourself from Google Search results
  • App pick of the week: Mo' browsers!
  • RunAs Radio this week: Secure by Design with Karinne Bessette
  • Brown liquor pick of the week: Knappogue Castle 16

Hosts: Leo Laporte, Paul Thurrott, and Richard Campbell

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Primary Navigation Podcasts Club Blog Subscribe Sponsors More… Tech Microsoft Pulls the Plug on Skype

Mar 12th 2025 by Kevin King

AI written, human edited. 

In a recent episode of Windows Weekly, hosts Leo Laporte, Paul Thurrott, and Richard Campbell discussed Microsoft's announcement that it will shut down Skype in May 2025, marking the end of a communication platform that has been part of the tech landscape for two decades.

Paul Thurrott, who recently wrote a comprehensive history of Skype, noted that this shutdown shouldn't come as a surprise since Microsoft has been signaling this transition for about three years. The hosts reflected on how Skype's demise was somewhat accelerated by unfortunate timing - when the pandemic hit, Microsoft was already focused on Teams as their primary communication platform, leaving Skype neglected just as video conferencing became essential.

"There was a bit of bad timing when the pandemic happened for all of us, but for Skype in particular, because Microsoft was all hot and heavy on Teams," Thurrott explained. While Microsoft made only "a couple of passing moves" regarding free usage during the pandemic, Zoom quickly capitalized on the opportunity and "ran away with" the market for personal and small business video conferencing.

The conversation took a fascinating turn into Skype's technical underpinnings. The hosts discussed how the original Skype client was written in Delphi and used a peer-to-peer network architecture. Richard Campbell pointed out that Skype was created by the same team behind Kazaa, the file-sharing service, and utilized similar peer-to-peer technology.

Leo Laporte recalled, "That's what Microsoft killed when they bought it, and that was when it started to go downhill." The transition from a peer-to-peer architecture to Microsoft's client-server approach fundamentally changed how Skype operated.

Campbell added that phones created another technical challenge: "You can't peer-to-peer to a phone," which necessitated infrastructure changes as mobile became increasingly important.

One of the most interesting aspects of the discussion was Skype's impact on broadcasting. Laporte highlighted that Skype's superior codec was the primary reason they used it for their shows: "It was the best codec... it would use as much bandwidth as you had." Unlike Zoom, which tops out at a few megabits per second, Skype would utilize up to 20 megabits if available, resulting in significantly better quality.

The hosts reminisced about the creative solutions they developed to use Skype for their early shows. Laporte described what they called "Skypasaurus" - a system of multiple Mac minis, each running a separate Skype instance for each caller, all combined in a mixer.

Thurrott reflected on Microsoft's controversial acquisition of Skype for $8.5 billion in cash in 2011, which was seen as greatly overvalued at the time. Campbell suggested that then-CEO Steve Ballmer might have been motivated to make a high-profile acquisition after failing to acquire Yahoo. Despite criticism of the purchase price, Thurrott noted that Skype remains Microsoft's fourth-largest acquisition ever, ranking above GitHub and Nokia, demonstrating its strategic importance to the company.

The hosts identified the rise of mobile messaging as a key factor in Skype's decline. Campbell pointed out that WhatsApp's phone-number-centric approach created an immediate advantage: "Your graph built itself," making it easier for users to find and connect with contacts.

Thurrott observed that WhatsApp and other mobile-first messaging platforms addressed use cases that Skype, with its desktop heritage, struggled to adapt to. "WhatsApp to this day - calling it mobile focused or phone focused is a gross understatement. Have you ever tried to use WhatsApp on your PC? It's a nightmare."

What's Next for Users?

As for Skype users seeking alternatives, the hosts struggled to identify perfect replacements, particularly for those who rely on Skype's ability to call regular phone numbers. Paul suggested that for individual users, the consumer version of Teams that comes with Windows 11 is "pretty damn good," though it lacks the ability to call landlines like Skype did.

Leo noted that globally, most people have moved to platforms like WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Signal, or iMessage, with WhatsApp dominating in many countries outside the US. The hosts lamented the fragmentation in the US messaging landscape, joking about the divide between "blue bubbles" (iMessage) and "green bubbles" (SMS/RCS) on iPhones.

The End of an Era

Throughout the discussion, there was a sense of nostalgia mixed with the recognition that Skype's time had passed. As Leo Laporte put it, "This network wouldn't exist without Skype. Paul, you and I, for years, that's what we used."

For tech enthusiasts who have witnessed the evolution of communication platforms over the past two decades, Skype's shutdown represents more than just another product being discontinued - it's the end of an era that helped shape how we connect in the digital age!

To hear the complete conversation about Skype's history, technical evolution, and legacy - plus discussions on Windows 11 developments, Microsoft Dragon Copilot, and more tech news - check out the full episode of Windows Weekly wherever you get your podcasts.

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