"VILLAIN SUPPORT SYSTEM!" w/ Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers

welcome to Well except this Rose. My name is Arta Marine, coming to you for my fancy garage in Los Angeles, California. Guys, journeyman, I'm so excited to have our guests here today, and I feel a little bit like a complete garbage person, bait and switcher in that I knew the assignment sucked. I knew generally when I bring somebody in, when I bring a rookie into the podcast, I'm excited for them because I actually know they're going to have fun watching

The Bachelor. I can't say with any honesty that that is the case on these greatest of all time episodes, because the editing and the three hour unnecessary time filler length coming out of Chris Harrison's Romata in of a study operated by his son who hates him is truly this is not the greatest of all time. This is really testing my patients. That being said, the podcasts have been a blast, and I feel maybe they're trying to make better podcasts so we're so angry that we're like

looking for a place to have attention release out. So yes, these are my new friends, and this is my first betrayal towards them. I have tricked to them. I learned them with candy and they got trickery and shadow play and witchcraft and black magic, and that's on me. But now at least I've owned it. And we're gonna have a sacred circle where we can we can have a like a fight club. We could just leave it on the field with There's two gentlemen here today and what

I love I love both of them individually. What I love about them together is that their best friends who are men that just where their best Because I love my friends too hard and I feel like they openly love each other so hard. Um. I was recently on their podcast Less Culture Stas, which is can I just say the greatest podcast ever? And as really i'd be like their podcast and anything. Brian Softye is on I

worked getting me to do this quarantine. I'll just throw one of them on and I walk around and I feel like everything's gonna be okay. Um. By the way, yeah, I only got I only got COVID tested because on my flat tire. I wish it was for an exciting, sexy reason. The first gentleman you might know him, he's He was a writer for many years and now he's a cast member on the television phone Saturday Night Live. He also is a cast member on Aquafina is Nora

from Queens, which is incredible. Um. He is the host of US called Rastas. I'm gonna say he's a media darling. He's fucking hilarious. He's a joy, he just woke up from a nap, and he's my precious treasure from Colorado. Ladies and gentlemen, Bowen Yang, Hello, how are you? I'm good. I'm sorry I was zonked out when you were first checking in with me. Want you as you are. I'm so happy. We don't need you to be anything other than how you are. That's that's the truth. How I

am as happy? Are you? That's good? Yes? I feel how I am right now? I feel okay, right now, I'll be honest with you. I put on some lip gloss. That's feeling good. I've got I've cut my own hair a three times. Have you guys, have you got a pro hair cut yourself? Not yet, I'm not doing it. It's not happening until the vaccine. I bought myself some high end clippers and I got a razor, and uh, it's starting to get a little wide. I'm not gonna lie. I feel like my last one is not as exciting

as I want. My last cut wasn't as much. I cut too much from I bobbed it and I was fishing with us. Also, he also hosts the wonderful podcast Let's called Theresta's, which is a joy and you should listen to it and it's so fun. And they have a thing called I Don't Think So honey, and it's the greatest thing ever. And I might have to do one today. Um. He is also the host of Gay the game show on Quimby Um. He was a writer on the other two. He's been on shrill. He is adorable,

a g D. Delight Ladies and gentlemen, American treasure. Matt Rogers, Well, going into tonight, I was really excited. This is this is such a blast, and I have to say I'm I'm thrilled, and I have been awake all day wide awake ready for this. Oh my god, were you just slamming Bowen? And I hope you No. It wasn't a slam. It was just it was just really an observation on

how people can go about doing days so differently. You know a lot of people they wake up in the morning and they sort of like survived for a few hours throughout the day, and then they'll take what's called a nap or a siesta. I sleep in very late, some would say socially unacceptable amount of time to sleep in, and then I'm awake throughout the day. I've done both of those in my life. I've done that and a nap. And I think I was fessed in that college. What

time do you wake up? Matt Roger, Well, here's the thing. I actually was really impressive. So after living in New York for ten years, I find that it's impossible to wake up in the morning in New York, and then I moved to Los Angeles and something about just the l a like maybe it's the dryness or like natural light that's happening. I will wake up naturally every day

eight am. However, now with the COVID of it all, I have been sort of sleeping until like eleven eleven thirty, which I which I hate for me, I hate, Oh my god, I love that for you. I find that that actually because I feel like that's what my body clock wants to do. And I drag her out of bed early like no art, and people who like themselves get up early. And I say, people who like themselves good, up early, but but they're tired. And then I I given my druthers. The problem is I nap too hard,

and then it's really for at night. But when how do nap every day? I have? I don't nap every day. I used to nap so well, and in the last I would say five years, it's really deluded. My nap strength is deluded. And now I'm just taking like these little nothing naps that don't make me feel rested. But like supposedly it's the twenty minute naps that are supposed to like be the perfect length, and it's not sticking. I'm such a master of nap it to anybody out there.

And if you're listening to this at a later day, I want to say, if it's winter time and you decide to take a nap, which you should because you've earned it, nap with the lights on so you don't wake up confused wondering in case you sleep too hard. I don't want you to my precious babies out there to worry that you slept through Thursday. Put the lights on so you have some idea with us. Also, are a woman who should be getting a tan about now? This is the time of year. Should we go out

in bikinis and go hiking and whatnot? And Anna should now be officially Anna Tanna? How are you? How's your how's your tanning situation happening? I haven't been tanning at all. I'm not I'm not classic Tanna right now. I'm we need to do a kickstarter for a tanning bed for you. Yeah, please please quick? Are you usually like a tan queen because I am too. I get fairy tan? Yeah, me too. It's the Greek in me, oh Mediterranean. If I just get wrinkly, burned and freckled like pink. But I appre

I wish I had a little Greek. Katie Levine is also here, you guys, here we go. Let's get to it. Let's just break it down. I'm so sorry you had

to watch three hours of Ben Higgins. Overall thoughts, tell me, I want you to know that the show was really fun when you don't watch it in one terrible long edit with weird things of Chris Harrison's house and his son and checking it like it's just all I felt like was somebody on the on the orchestra on the side being like fill it, stretch it out, and feel like ABC is run out of programming and they're just

stretching it out. It really needs to be said, how horrible Chris Harrison is, Like he sucks so bad, Like he is just so boring, He's so nothing. And I realized, I sort of vocalized last night why it's right that he's nothing, because so often the bachelors are also nothing. They are not scared of a spicy bachelor, right, and so Ben is he's a handsome guy, but ultimately nothing, and so in or two like not detract from the fact that they have a not engaging person as the

lead of the show selling the franchise. You can't have someone that's in any way going to show him up. And so that's why I think they've cast what is like a total cipher. It's completely bad, Like he's truly wallpaper, and I've actually seen wallpaper. I'm more interested in than him, like like Ardens, Like like for example, Arden's in her

podcast studio. That's like if that if that podcast studio wanted to apply to host the show, I think it would actually not get the job because clearly what I'm saying is they don't want anyone taking away from the person that's supposed to be the most interesting person in the world, and that's why they have the least interesting person in the world hosting it. I will say I think they do pick very safe mail leads. Um, I'm

gonna take us through the episode and feel free. Here we are and we are in once again, and Chris Harrison's like, like, awful. It looks like a Ramada in lobby. This guy must have all the money in the world. And then he has his one book that he's written, the perfect letter displayed behind him over his shoulder. I looked it up. It is out of print. It's not you can't get a new cop advertising it. I actually bought one, and I'm curious. I have sent one. It's

on its way. It's gonna take a while because it's not new, so it's not there were no prime options. You couldn't prime it to anyone. I'm sending it to Jerry Trainer, who does our podcast, who was on I Carly. He doesn't know that it's coming. Don't tell anybody who's listening. I he does our podcast, and he's tortured by Chris Harrison. So at some point in his life there'll be no note. I couldn't wrap it, but but the Perfect Letter will be arriving at Jerry Train. It's a novel. He wrote

a novel. It's sort of like a Nicholas Sparks book where she like breaks up with the guy of her dreams and then she goes back to her home. That's what Chris Harrison wrote. It's called the Perfect Letter. There's an undertone of Christianity. I think there has to be. Now. I don't know if you noticed, but when Ben Higgins took a shirt off, he had a tattoo on his ribs at the scripture He had scripture tattoo. Yeah, of

course did. Honestly, he is so perfectly what they were looking for in the Bachelor, and it's so it's really is you can see in sort of the Ben Higgins Bachelor model, like really, what's where we've arrived at with like capitalism. It's like this is an aspirational person. It's like a vaguely attractive because you know what he is attractive, but it's like sort of like who cares attractive with

vague Christian imagery on there? Probably if you actually asked him what the stuff he has written on his body means, he may not be able to tell you, etcetera. Have you guys ever watched the show, because I know you watched Survivor well, but when what's your experience with Batch? I watched the Rachel Lindsay season, but I kind of petered out towards the end. Peter. Yeah, we love Peter.

When Peter and she was like when she actually chose Brian, she was such a great bachelorette, but then her like digging in the heels and I've actually developed more complicated feelings about this recently, very recently, because when you were on last culture resas, we did talk about how me and Bowen saw the Rachel Lindsay season, and I I've realized that I actually think she made the right decision. And here's why I'm I'm actually probably shock a lot

of people with this. But fact of the matter is I was thinking about this day literal one. She was on fire for Brian. She was on fire, and this is a and the reason I watched her season is because I could tell from like an interview that she did that she was smart. I wanted to support the fact that they had finally chosen a black lead. And not only that, but like she was smart, she's funny, she's like politically active and not afraid to say what

she thinks. She's beautiful, she's engaging. I was like, I could watch her go all around the world. I want to be on her journey here as she finds this guy. And the fact of the matter is when someone is like this incredible person, I believe that that she really was on fire for Brian, and that ultimately at the end of the day, I was disappointed in her because I think I sort of felt for the Peter edit, because Peter is a dream boat and a great girl.

But she didn't want to. She didn't want to, like, in her bones fuck Brian for the rest of I mean Peter for the rest of her life, be with Peter. She and I believe Rachel, I think she did and her bones want to fuck him. But I think she wanted to be with a guy that wanted her. But here's the thing, and bow and tell me if you

agree with this. After the fantasy suits, if it's like close between two guys and she's banged both those guys and it's like I know what I want to do, then pretty much you can have a sense of But she wanted him to want to propose. I think she wanted Peter Katie right like she wanted Peter. That Peter was like, I just want to be your boyfriend, and she was like, I didn't come here to get a boyfriend.

He was He was like you. She was like, you have to propose or I won't, Like you're not going to be He was like, well, I only want to propose once and I really like you. But this is new And but the way that she says it now and I don't think she's lying about this because she seems to me like she seems to me to be like a real like a real girl like she is. She says exactly what she means. I love her. I

love her and I still do. And I think that she's been amazing about being so outspoken about being like I will leave this franchise if there is not a person of color lead we need. It's it's crazy and it's in in watching this three hour episode. The lack of diversity is shocking. It is unacceptable. It is it is so is the fact that we had We'll get there, But that's true. Fact that we had the amazing Jubilee and Jubilee. They didn't check him with. Jubilee was disengaged

and didn't want to. I know that. My only prayer is that Julie didn't want to be there like she wanted She was on Bachelor Paradise, so I mean, she wasn't done with the franchise immediately. But we loved Jubile, all right. So here we go. Ben up top. He's in Indiana. He's shooting basketball. Is he feels unlovable? That is the thinglab You've got this hot tag guy that feels unlovable, like that was the perfect thing. Sorry, he's been rejected, and he stated a couple of women, yes, Bowen.

Sorry sorry, sorry sorry sorry, Like, like was that Ben's entire identity because like in the past, we have like the Virgin Bachelor, you have the pilot Bachelor. Like Ben's whole thing was he was on season eleven Bachelorrette and he was he was on Caitlin season. She was a great bachelorette, and he was on Caitlyn And that's when I started. I'm only in starting, I must look a

late to the franchise. He was in Caitlyn season. Ben was actually our first podcast season we broke down and and he confessed to her in a moment that was very charming that he secretly believed that he was not lovable and that's his whole thing in his season of the Bachelor. Now, like, yes, that is his main although I that was his damage. But I didn't feel like

they dragged it through Katie. What do you say, Like, I wouldn't say they didn't really drag it through the whole thing, but that was what I think maybe got him the title. Yeah, and then also remember he like the next season of the season after he went to Paradise and did that whole thing where he like dressed like a Marriotchie player and like went on the beach

and was like, oh lovable. Do you remember that? He played it up after he milt it so that he became that he went from the guy who's unlovable to the guy who said I love I'm in love with you to two women. Was like that he sort of switched. But so then this season he actually had pretty fun ladies. We've got We've got the twins, Olivia the news anchor, Um. We had Jubilee, Uh Kayla with her bouncy hair. So Kayla got the first date and they're both in software

sales and she had like full breck hair. And they go with Kevin harton ice Cube to like a dirty, cracked old spa store in the valley with party lights, and they showed like the whole date and I was like, Oh, we're in for a night like this is they don't have anything to air. Matt, what did you think of the Kevin Hart ice Cube date. I mean, I thought it was a great excuse to get Kevin Hart and ice Cube on the show. I mean they certainly booked

them on the show, and they definitely did it. I mean, Kevin Hart definitely farted in that tub and it probably was the funniest thing that a lot of people that I've watched the show I've ever seen. So I celebrate the show for their ability to book celebrity guests. I think that, um, I once saw I think it was another season and they had Ashton and Mila one was it, Rachela. Amy Schumer has been on the They had was hilarious

on the show. Amy Schumer is great. Nick Offerman and Megan Malayalia been on the There was a really good part of it when Amy Schumer was on where the guy was like, I just don't want to like because they were like right like comedy stand up bits and he was like. The guy was like, I just don't want to be like too smart for the audience, and Amy Schumer goes, I'm going to stop you right there. You're not. Don't worry about that, you are not. Yes, Well,

I feel like there's like weird super fans of this show. Um, we see the crazy twins clogging the sheer a fact that they cast identical hot twins from Vegas. The twins who are a real casting find. I mean they they I was thinking to myself, like I wonder if there's a world where they would have been okay with him

picking both of them. I even you kind of get the feeling watching this that they they've been in Vegas and like create like, I don't know, Anna, what do you think that there there's like a that you kind of feel that they've been sold as like this package in Vegas in the past, the toll twins thing. I

can't really wrap my mind around. It's so inappropriate to people in this situation where you have to pick one girl who looks exactly like another girl, Like there's something so dark about that that I can't And then they're also like performers where they perform as twins, like when they were like hello, nice to meet you at the same time that I mean, they clogged together. So it's like it's not even just like twins. It's like weird, like sort of this they essentially cast the same person.

It's weird. They're weird and paradise. I remember watching one of them. I remember watching them get each other ready for a date, and they had like they had like Tanner wipes like self Tanner wipes, and I remember watching one of them put like down the ass whole like of the other one, like wiping into the ass crack, Like do you remember that? Do you remember that? I remember it. I can never forget something like that. Yeah, Like, can I have a sibling. I can't imagine my brother ever,

like wiping my ass crack with Tanner? No, but did they did they? Did they get sent home at the same on the same day. No, Yeah, that was That's what confused me. The whole thing is so crazy. Then we have a little so then they're like, okay, okay, I really feel like ABC is trying to be woke, and they're like, remember we had Jubilee, like didn't get her back, but like she was so great, She's so beautiful.

She's an army veteran. She and she was cool and she was like I have trouble talking around you sometimes. She's obsessed with hot dogs. Um, and that she was her entire family had died and like she said that she worried that she wasn't lovable. She was adopted, she was in an orphanage, and she was the only surviving person of her family. And I just loved her. I

wish she was a bachelorette. I would like to know how, Like, were you surprised that they didn't cut to her Anna, Like I was waiting for a check in with Jubile. I feel like Jubilee has turned away from this this franchise after her turn in uh Paradise, where they didn't even she was cook right away, or like she just

left and they didn't explain why she left. Maybe that was the second time she went back, but she just was like at one point, they're like, Jubilee and Venmo John didn't work out, Jubilee left and we're all like what and then it was like, gone, don't worry about it, that's right. I forgot that she was with Venmo John for a second. Venmo John. There was a guy named John who worked at Venmo Then that's the classy name

Venmo John. I love that. I feel like Jubilee honestly was probably approached to do a check in and she was like, if you think that right now, I am coming on Bachelor your three hour Bachelor Corporate asked Garbage to like talk about the ways in which I think that she probably is incredibly smart and has moved on from this, and I think they filmed this months ago. I guarantee you that, because Kayla says that she's been engaged since January and it's been a few months. It's

been a few months. I think these were all filmed in one weird weekend with Chris Harrison and his son Um. I think they banged this out when they're like, okay, ship Claire is not going to get to Okay, let's do it in April. Like, I think they banged it all out in one weekend, well before anything went down with any like you, I wouldn't be surprised if, like her viewpoint on the franchise is similar to Rachel's, which

is like, what the hell I mean? Like, I think that if she was not asked to be the Bachelorette, that's a mistake because she very clearly is the most engaging, most unique, followable person that they depicted last night in this show. And I wouldn't be surprised if she kind of feels like hind typing. Maybe she's still a fan of the show. I know she like still watches it and tweets about it, but she's got a private Instagram. Yeah, she she has really disappeared from like public life for her.

But she but she is I think, like anyone else in the world who has a brain, like I've read it really like sort of galvanized and like really is working hard right now in this in this cultural moment. So I wouldn't be surprised if, like maybe she did they did check in with her and she was like, I don't want to be used, like or something like that, because it was odd that they did not follow up with her, and they did follow up with like Lace. I know, I did think this all happened before. I

do think this, any of this happened before. But like I bet they would have begged Jubilee. Yeah, o god, they should have. She would be the most interesting bachelorette, Like I think about hometowns, like just shot. It would just be like it would be like a study on grief. It would be a study on like resilience. And she's so hot and she's a veteran. She's like she's like a like black woman. She's a veteran, she's interesting, she

has a dynamic past. She but the fact of the matter is like and Rachel talks about this a little bit too liked. Did you know there was a ratings dip when Rachel was the Bachelor. It's so fucked up because she's so obviously the best bachelorette, but there was a ratings dip because the viewing audience is racist, and I think that they they don't, they just don't. There's

a lot. So I think that the way you do that is, like, you have to get this viewing audience used to seeing a more diverse cast and that's not something they've done until recently. Because you look at this cast when you're like, yeah, no, wonder they're shocked when you have a black lead. You haven't like, you haven't

had any black cast members. And you also like, I know, and there's there's actually we always talk We've been talking about this every week, but there's a great Instagram account called Batch Diversity that has petition going, that had the petition going that I think helped get the first black Bachelor cast. But they're also petitioning to have thirty five representation of like, you know, a diverse cast. They want people behind the scenes. They want to be equitable screen time.

So even if the cast is like, they want fair equal screen time, they want mental health resources to help support um, you know, any minority people that go on and have to help deal with the because it's like an unusual situation. So go to Badge Diversity and sign the petition and post about it. Think about also, like what Jubilee had to deal with in the house, being the only black woman there in the house with all

these women, Like like, that's another thing. It's not even just about like Oncomera representation, it's about the experience she must Yeah, I think there was like two other wasn't Jamie. There's like two other African American women there. Maybe there was one girl who didn't like belive, uh Jamie Jamie and I don't remember. Unfortunately, don't show them, you don't. I recall she came in and my crazy and I feel like there was two women. But yeah, I can't

even imagine. It's And what's interesting is like Paradise has actually gotten much more like I feel like Paradise is looks more like the rest of the world a little bit like because but Paradise looks like the rest of the world. It really does. Guys, it's getting better. Um, okay, So then we have uh, they go to the pig Island. I remember this group date and there was his pigs swimming and then the pigs just start attacking all the women.

The pigs were like attacking Jojo and I remember this was like a disaster of a group date, which I very much enjoyed. Um, and then we get the beauty. I have to say Lace was an incredible character because what was funny was you thought Lace was going to be the villain and then and then Olivia ended up being the villain. But Lace came out hard. It was so fun as a villain because she just was hammered, like from the get go, and her eyes are closed.

She's like close your eyes like the first kiss, you know, and he's like, well you got it, you know. And then she's like I just want then want me? Do you notice me? Do you even know that? I mean, you didn't even look at me. I talked to your saying, it's so fun to watch, like I felt like my drunk aunt at Thanksgiving. But like he was hot and like a real estate agent her deaver w was like trying to corner Ben Higgins and she's so hot, but then like clearly his hands were full. Did you enjoy Lace?

Matt rogers. Um, did I enjoy lace? Yeah, I identify um with someone being like, Hi, you didn't look at me. I get her. Um. I also ultimately felt really sad for her because her realization that she is like not

well completely, I think. And also I think that probably she came off weird to the audience, but I don't know, like, knowing what I know about the way it's produced and everything, I think that she was genuinely coming to the realization that, like, I need to step away from this because it's not good for me and probably good for people watching this to see me like this. I don't like the message and sending. I don't like this psychologically what it's doing

to me, and I need to remove myself. And even though I might look crazy in the moment doing this, it's better I do this now than I continue to spiral,

because I need help. She's the only character that's been on it that had the wherewithal to actually pull herself out of like by the scruff of the neck, Like she actually had enough wherewith a pretty early on, because she made a high impact low episodes like pretty early on, made a big impression and was the only person I've ever seen who was like, you know what, this probably isn't for the best of everybody, Like as my tattoo says, if you can't love yourself, ain't nobody gonna love you?

Like I was like, you know, she was like the and but it was just amazing. It was like we have eye contact glory where I fucking these bitches because suck it. And then she was like, I was very dork. Let me I was very dork When can I tell you a picture? Bow and let me tell you a picture. I was very dorky looking when I was a kid. I had two sets of bangs Wassanta dana. And then

she starts crying like I ruined my chance. And because this was at the lace, I promised myself I would be the bad lace came out and I just thought and then she was mad at herself and and it was and then and then we saw her today. Well, and Yang, how did you feel about seeing the present day lace? I was happy to see present day lace. The ring light against her makeup on her face, her no favors. It was a different tone from her neck

and her shoulders. Yes, um, but she seems remarkably she seems really well adjusted now though, I really do I see. I feel like she's like a best case scenario what happens to a reality show person who kind of makes a fool of themselves and then his like and then yeah, I mean it speaks to like her self awareness and her agency to like first of all, pull away from the show in the moment, and then second of all to like come back to it years later and be like, yeah,

like I'm not even like that. That's that's not who I want. That's not who I am, and I've changed. It was kind of cool. I I enjoyed the lace check in and were you gm it on life? Man? Lanes is such an interesting character to me because did you also know she denied that's what her tattoo sat at the end of hers like, that's not what it started your own tattoo and she was like, what is it? Kind of Harrison, she was like, she was like, that's what it said as my tattoos does who were just

going off the info you gave us. Yeah, Also, what you guys don't know is she went on to Paradise and was engaged to that guy Grant, and Grant turned out an interesting character her. Yeah, they got a grace tattoo,

Grant lace, that's the whole thing. And then Grant and her broke up, and Grant went on Bachelor in Paradise, Australia and then hooked up with this girl Ali, this Australian girl Ali, but then ended up breaking up with Ali after he walked in on her on a night where they'd been drinking in l A getting eaten out in his stairway by his friend, and so he walked

in on her. She wouldn't kiss anyone, and then she came to a late to visit and then and then allegedly he found her like getting eaten out in the Sarah and then told everyone. He told everyone, and he went on a podcast and told everyone, Yeah, and that's why they broke up. And then she became the bachelorette. She became Bachelor at Australia. And I love that she became the bachelorette though, because I think that that is the kind of person I would like to see on

television more. It's like, no, I'm not kissing you, eat my pussy, Like that's the kind of ship I want. I think we can benefit from that type of lead more than like the Ben Higgins is of the world. Women are more The women are more like that. I feel like the guys are so vanilla, and I find that the female leads are more fun like, They're a little more they got more excitement. The guys are so these are not got The only sexy guy they had turned out to be such a piece of ship one Pablo.

You think he was the sexiest one. I think at first he was the only one that had any game, and then like like he was the only one that any sex appeal, But then he turned out to be such a dirt ball. I don't know why I'm so attracted to Nick Vile. Okay, he he's a lovely guy. He's a friend of the podcast. I'm going to say I didn't think he was a great bachelor because he I think he'd been through the machine. He'd seen behind

the curtain so many times. You saw the lightly of his eyes after a while, Yeah, he was checked out. He was like road hard and put away wet. Have you met him? He's very hot in person. No, I've never met him, but be he's got big dick energy. Yeah. I mean, for anyone that Rachel thought she was in love with I'm in love with Yeah, who would you pick?

Brian with his cheekbones and his mom, Peter with a salty heritage teeth gap or nick Vale and his b D. Honestly, I think that, like it's a scary answer, Like I think I think I might be down for Brian the most because he I think he's got like the most sexy energy, but very long island. Brian's very long. That's the thing is. It's like it's a thing like intrinsic in me, Like that's sort of like what's his last name? Abo Solo dr Abs. He has like a mug that's

his doctor Abbs. The thing about him though, was chiropractors are not doctors. Um, but it's funny that he calls himself the doctor um. But doctor Abs. I love um. The thing is I actually, out of the four that were Rachel's top four, my favorite was it was it would be between Dean and Eric. I like, is hot? Dean is so hot? Okay, well let's talk about that. So Dean comes back and we see Dean and Kaylin and they're like in the van and I have to

tell you we've met Dean. He is so fucking hot, Like you see where he needed to put that ring on because he's not going to stop people like his eyes, he's something. He's really tall. Can we just that he's tall. He's a tall guy. His eyes are so mesmerizing and he's had a little twinkle in his eyes. And do you remember from her season he's got that terrible dad is at s where his mom is. His dad became a seek after his mom died and like and then like I remember they had them at like the yur

and they were like feeding like nick vile mung beans. No, it was and I'm sorry it was as Rachel. They laid on the floor and she told him that she loved him. Did she told her she was in love

with him. So we met him right after that before Paradise where and it was literally we did Outside Lands and we were concerned because we were the earliest show of the entire Outside Lands Festival of any It was a broad daylight, you know, and like competing against like like a musical act like and so we're like no one's and tickets are expensive. We're like, literally no one

is going to come. It's like eight am. It was so crowded because of Dean I truly believe it was as if it was like, um, Robert Pattinson at the height of twilight and I had to go get him and lock him through the crowd. That it took me like five minutes to walk him to our our tent because so many girls will be like even I gotta keep going, we gotta keep going. Yeah, because he smartem you didn't leave, So I don't know. I I thought

he was this this is the thing. I this was my pull in watching in watching his interview with his now fiance or whatever is happening. It's like he has stumbled upon like this idea that you don't have to get married to wear a ring or be committed, and you could tell this was like something that he had

worked for years to arrive at. And I'm like, this is like not that intellectual of a place to arrive, but he had when she had treated it like it was this thing, like this major breakthrough he had made, and I was like, cool, dude, you have a girlfriend. But they spent like truly so long last night and explaining that they wear rings and are committed to each other but are not getting married. It was just like, do we need any more time understanding they're not going

to get married. Okay, he doesn't want to marry this girl like his dad about like wanted to not get the government involved in a little like libertarian seed bank and that like like Idaho, there was a little seed bank quality of like the gun, it's not gonna I'm not gonna let the man know who's legally married to me the way Calin said, Um, we don't have to get the government involved, screamed libertarian. I was like, and it's like she was a beauty pageant queens beauty. She

was the beauty queen. Honey, you want that way? Now she has like Instagram face so like fully like cheekbones, flips cat face, like can we talk about the Instagram face and we can get there a little like we there was a text about happening last night. They all kind of although Jojo is pretty much stayed Jojo for the but like I like jo I love Jojo. Lauren's face, Laura's new face, like the girl that we saw last night who failed for Ben Higgins and then the present

day Laura. It's literally like to completely let me see if I could hold up Facebook. This is like her, this was her like a week ago. This is Laura a week ago. That's a complete different human. The drawline is sad down for filth, the jawline, the new teeth. I think it knows job. Maybe we should say it's the patriarchy that did this to her and that before and after. Yeah, I mean, though they don't look the same.

But the fact of the matter is, like, regardless of like what she's looking like now, I could not believe that she was the one that he thicked. What is her deal? Like? What what is interesting about her? Tell Us are truly stunned, literally, I think for I think that he I think the side of him that thought he wasn't lovable. This is my this is my armchair psychologists.

I think the side of him that thought he wasn't lovable for whatever reason, she reminded him of the dream girls in high school that he couldn't get like that were kind of like and I think it was I can't believe she's with me for whatever reason, like his high school brain. This is my armchair psychologist of like she's the virgin. Maybe she looked like the girl and like I think she was the prom queen. And even though Jojo is a stunner and cool. I think she's

also kind of waify. She felt a little bit like wifey material. I don't think he wanted anything like threatening or he didn't want the he didn't want the interesting one. No no jojo was great. Okay, before we get to that, then we have Olivia before before we get Olivia, we'll take a little quick break. Oh yeah, sex time out. Okay, So Olivia comes back. Olivia, we find she was a fun villain. She really was an interesting one because usually if somebody gets the first impression Rose, they make it

pretty far. And they've actually said historically with the females when there's a bachelorette, whoever they give their first impressions who they end up kicking, which was Brian dr apps Um. So Olivia got the first impression Rose, and she was she was a news anchor. She was beautiful, she was continent girl, but she was a little crazy with the other gals. And she did have a face she would make that was like like she got a little the competition got the best of her. She was like sort

of hissed. It was like a devil eye, like she got a little much. But but this was where we really saw how mean the franchise could be. And like I remember the gals being mean about her cankles, Like they were talking about her ankles and like they were so mean. I think mostly because she kept getting the roses, like I think, and she was very competitive and uh,

this poor gal. And then when she jumped out of the cake, it's like, Okay, well that's awkward and if you're not a dancer, Like it wasn't that bad bad when she broke down after that, because that was like about more than yeah, they made her do that. She felt self conscious, She tried to have fun with it. Didn't thought that she looked stupid. All the women were probably look you know, that probably was a much thicker experienced I think because she's also been so she was

very she was all like bravado. She was super confident, and I think watching that it reminded me of like a terrible stand up show I had once, like a showcase for like Warner Brothers, you know what I mean, where we like you know, where like the I remember like the other comics like couldn't look me in the eye. You know, this was like twelve years ago, Like she bombed for the first Yeah, she bombed, and you know

you ate ship and everyone knows you ate ship. Yeah, it's a terrible Have you mean bombing, I've I've bombed when it's really counted, and me too. How do you shake that? Like when you've bombed when it's counted, like it's one of the worst feelings in the world. It's like it's like when I there's certain environments, like there's certain things I still think of that, it's like, I just want to take a shame shower. I just want

to wash it off. Well that's what you You act crazy when you're not someone who bombs, and then you bomb, you act crazy afterwards because you're like, but you guys know right, I mean come on, that was like and that that's I think where she went where It's like that's why she went over to him and was like, I want to start over, and he was like kind of like what because I would imagine that that was not necessarily as bad in his eyes as it was in her head. So I think that she and also

remember they're doing this for months. The other women in the house don't like her. The only people she's got to talk to other producers. Um so it's like and they want her to go crazy, and so I feel really bad for her because I could identify what she was doing. And also the fact of the matter is like when they were saying the whole time, like the way that Chris Harrison was saying the whole time in the episode, and of course Olivia they would it was

like she was a serial killer or something. And then they got to her and I'm like, Oh, what's this girl's big thing? Like she's like winning and the other girls don't like her, and she's kind of annoying. Like they didn't edit and I think because they didn't want to look too much like the bullies that they are. Like even though they did kind of bully like, I felt like they did kind of like, oh, hey, how are you a living? Like it was still checking it

really bad they had edited her. I mean, she was she was a person who even though it was which is interesting because she made her career on camera, but who had no awareness of she was so thirsty for him and so extra that she would literally be like like and to watch somebody be like top dog but like not be able to roll um, it felt like punching down annoying yeah, yeah, but they could say they also did really like if I would went through what

she went through, I would have such like horrible body dysmorphia because they would funk with her and be like, well, the other girls are like, well, she doesn't eat anything, that's why her breath smells so bad, and like being like that's why Ben keeps trying to feed her mint. Like it's like all this funked up stuff where it's like what they were just theyggested anything they could. And then this poor young lady who looked so cute, nast

and I loved her haircut. I felt she seemed to have I mean it was the underbelly of seeing the amount of therapy and like not just like heartache like Jojo, like oh I didn't get picked, but like I got beat up by America and humiliated and then left on the beach as a helicopter drove away, like it was so much that too on by the blowhole that like the island. He was not a two on one. He picked one of the twins. I remember, Oh God, would

you could tell that? You could tell that once the check and started and she's like, I'm so nervous and shaking. It's like, oh, this is a trauma, Like this is traumatic seven pete yess and then having to apologize. I actually felt that he well, there's a part of him and wants to run for office. I actually felt that he was classy, Like I felt that he did the right thing apologizing. Yeah, but I was he wasn't addressing her though. Did you notice that he was addressing the

audience and not her the entire time? He was like, guys, come on, like, go easy on Lace, this woman is amazing. It's like you're not talking to her, and also like it's not us that needs to chill, Like I mean, yes, there are fans that are abusive to her, but it's like you were a part of this situation. You're the person that's in a power position here and you're the one who, in the television show we're watching has been

introduced to apologize, so you apologize. Yeah. It also felt it's been interesting all these people, including the leads, are like, oh, I can't believe you're airing, Like nobody seems excited to have their season. Did you notice that everyone's everyone wants to forget about it. Everybody wants to forget about it, so then we have um alright, so oh yeah, that was the blowhole in the wind and she was shaking,

poor Olivia. I was I'm glad that it was actually funny because we were watching it and my boyfriend was sitting next to me, and while he's while she was talking and doing the check in, he was like, I love her, and I was like, I was like, yeah, I mean I like her too. And then I looked over at the end of her interview and I peeked over my boyfriend. My boyfriend is very funny. Yeah, he just like the way he behaves. It is in the world. I looked over his shoulder and he was following her

on Instagram. I mean, she was like a beautiful kind of cool. I love that she She also has a podcast called Mouthing Off where she reaches out to other villains. There's a villain support group. That's a really cool. I yeah, I would listened to that. Has anyone listened to that? I browsed the episodes and she doesn't do just bachelor people. She does like ninety Day Fiance villains. It was all It's a whole podcast of villains of like romance reality

show villains. That's fun. That's a fun idea for a podcast. Yeah. I think she she came out a lot. I mean because I remember reading that she was like suicidal afterwards and came a way you get you feel worthless everyone, everyone, and you know that people were in her m telling her to herself and I kind of hate that that what's his name, Harrison, Chris Harrison was all I just yeah, like he was like, well, I'm really sorry about that.

It's like, are you kidding you ruined her? Yes, exactly, but you also wonder like, okay, so she had she was clearly like presentable enough, like a put together and smart enough to be like a reporter, you know, like was that her whole chances? I feel like once people enter to this franchise, everyone gives up any career they had before. Like it's just immediately, like take your career out of your pocket, leave it in the bag at the door. You'll never see that again. You're going to

become an influencer. It's like, yeah, my boyfriend brought that up. He was like, I feel like this is going to ruin their lives. And he was like he was like, I hate this show. This is so mean. This is

the worst thing ever. And I looked at him and I was like, Jared, they're getting what they wanted out of this, which is to become a social media influencer, like essentially like so, but but also at the same time, like, I think that a lot of the people that they get to get on this show really do believe in the fairy tale of it, and that's sad um. Sometimes it works out some sometimes it works You need to come when it's a normal thing and not a horrible

um time goblin just eating your mondy. Like, well, I've seen the whole season. I've seen the Rachel's season, which was like, you know, I think a great representation of the show, did you like? I loved the most of the reason and then on the last episode I thought

she kind of lost it for me. In the last two episodes when she told Dean that she loved him, I thought that was a little fucked up, and when she clearly was just feeling bad and maybe in her feelings, but also you can't expect it to be perfect all the time. And then when she didn't pick Peter, I was upset because I didn't understand why she went if

she was just gonna pick Brian. Why did she need to weep her eyelasters off with him in the hall with Peter in the hallway and like beg him to stay and like beg him whatever, and then say, just kidding, I was going to pick Brian the whole time. So the hypocrisy of that I didn't like. But ultimately this season I loved. I guarantee Um that Matt James season is going to be fantastic. You think, Yeah, I do, because we don't know anything about Matt James, right, Because

I actually think that's great. Like I think there's a beauty of a reset of because they used to do that, they used to go find eligible people and bring someone new. Yeah, I think it's good to press reset on the franchise. Somebody outside. He's best friends with one of the one of the most beloved contestants there ever, was um Tyler Cameron, who was so adorable. Who's a nice guy who loved his mom, Like he's a stand up guy and they're best friends. Anyway. Okay, so here we are we have

so we're at the Fantasy Sweets. There's three women. Oh there was also Amanda. Amanda was a single mom. Um she made it to hometown and um, and she's got two little kids. I mean, Amanda was very popular. She did a lot of rounds on this franchise. It was interesting. She was so cute. It was like, like, to be fair to Amanda. I think she had two little kids and her husband dumped her, Like I think she got left high and dry. Her kids were three and two. Yeah,

and he just laughed so brutal. So it's um. So then she left those kids two for three months to go to the battle. Yeah, that's exactly right, but she did do that. It's definitely it's hard because you can see where Ben says he's not scared and he goes to go meet and I remember when he went to go meet them, like the whole episode, they were like crying and in like a minivan. You can see the terror,

the water like the Titanic water rising of just like panic. Um. That is I'm always conflicted when there's like little people involved in that they and that they meet them on the show. That's hard. Yeah, that's another thing. Jared said. He was like, I cannot believe that she is putting these kids through and I was like, yeah, but she really believes that like she I mean, she obviously wants like a father figure for them, and I think she's

just going about it in an odd way. And the kids were adorable, and I said to him, I'm like, they're not going to remember that they were little enough in some ways, because we've seen other there was another really cute mom that was on one Pablo season and her son Ben was a little older, but he was a dad too. It's hard. Your only hope is that these gals, these little girls, don't remember they were little enough.

He's just going to be a cool guy they played with one time and they were kind of in the back of their mind. It's hard to watch, so you're like, oh God, Okay. So she gets cut and then we have Kayla with a bouncy hair and he calls her a sex panther. We learned last week that Ben Higgins was a sex ed miner in college, which is insane, which means he's bad in bed. Yes, the sex said miner. Um, Kayla's whole thing. She's a tigriss, She's a sex panther.

She can't express herself. She's crying her friends that she's having a hard time opening up. Um and I remember loving her mom when we went to hometown. I remember her mom. Her mom was Asian queen. She was, she was a queen, Asian queen. She was like, she goes, well, honey, if you really love him, even run downstairs and jump on him and tell him that you love him. I remember me, like, I loved her mom. Yeah, I love any I love any parent figure that's like real. Yeah

she had she fully had adult races. She was super cool. She was like, go get at it, and she was fun. Yeah. I loved her. She was she was an Asian queen. She was. I loved her. I loved her. So then we have her um crying. She's ready to get married, she's ready to be his wife. Like he cuts her, and I remember, like I remember they were at Jamaica. Sandals. Isn't that right, Katie, isn't sell it Sandals Jamaica. Yeah, like the last like those last three episodes were all

in Sandals Jamaica. Okay, which actually e strangely nice, which was confusing. And I'm going to tell Bowen. I'm going to tell Bowen and Met something that we're going to

cut out. Okay, we're back. This is the just we're back, but we just spoke about fantasy and this is the thing I want to say about the fantasy suite though, that is a huge deal, And the fact of the matter is like the viewing audience has to understand, like, you're watching this and watching this and watching this, but what happens behind closed doors that we don't see we just have to accept as a huge narrative hole because it's like you are going to act like a different

person when the cameras aren't there and be like how you physically and sexually, emotionally in that way open up to someone and connect to someone is huge. So I'm not surprised at all to hear that the results of that closed door experience weigh in heavily. I think, particularly

on The Bachelor, the burden is on the ladies. I fear that like to put on the show of your life, like but not too much of it, Like you still want to be like wifey material because these are nice like Christian boys and like, well, you've heard about what happened with Rachel and Nick, right, No, okay, so this is I think this is on the record, so this

is real. Um, But Rachel inn Zy was a contestant and had gotten a fantasy suitet date and was was going to go the day after the two thousand sixteen election. So she was in a bar the night before her fantasy suite date watching the election and got trashed because Trump won and was devastated. So the next day was the fantasy sweet date. So if you watch her Fantasy sweet date, she kind of seems like very like dropped in and like sleepy and a little out of it

because she is because she was hungover. Then she says that they went to the fantasy suite at her and Nick and she pretty much passed out right away and they hadn't gotten a chance to really talk. They definitely didn't have sex, and she kind of knew anyway that he was going to pick um Vanessa. So the next day, like when she gets cut, she was like upset because she didn't win. But you can kind of see when

she gets cut, she's like, yeah, of course. Yeah. One of my favorite fantasy suite like behind the scene stories, it is apparently Rachel and hers had a list of questions to ask the guys remember this of like do

you have debt um? You know, like like what is your thought on this one is your thought on that, and like asking them about like actually like how they are, because I mean, if you're going to marry someone, if you're gonna get engaged, like what if you canna engage someone and they go, oh, I'm five dollars in debt

and you're like, oh my fucking god. You know, Like well, also like you need to be asking about what they believe politically because you're not allowed to talk about it on the air, and they like because the producers aren't going to use it and it's wasting time, so you better believe the second that door is closed. One of my questions is like, Hi, what's what's the t on like your political beliefs? Because because you know that happened to Becca who chose Garret, who ended up being like

what that means? They're still I feel like someone told that that was one of the questions that she asked, like who did you vote for? And stuff like that. I think also in Bachelor at New Zealand because I gotta watch every country's bachelotte franchise if you guys want to watch, We're watching New Zealand is great, but that one, like they'll be like, are you an anti vaxer like on the show because I mean New Zealand though that guy.

But still it's like, stop bringing up being because I would hate to end up with a guy and he's like, we're not vaccinating our kids, Okay. I would be like, no, yeah, that's talks about climate change. They're actually seeing if you're compatible. So we caught up with Kayla and where she is, and she's was doing the equivalent of I'm living my best life, like I moved to New York. I became a fashion blogger. It's really important work. Um, and you're

like a lifestyle blogger because it's really important work. And I'm like, is it like and that's the thing, like and then she's she got engaged to this guy. Hot guy though was hot. He seemed nice. Yeah, he did seem nice. But but she she got what she wanted with with what Mamoi singer, like, she wasn't gonna sell software for the rest of her Like now she's probably genuinely happy, like blogging about she lives in New York, she has a husband, she like got to talk about

stuff that she wants to talk about. She probably has a loyal following because she came off really well on the show's free Ship. I bet she gets free Ship up the butt. Yeah. Um, okay, before we get to Lauren B and Joe Joe, we're gonna take one more break. What is your fantasy? You? Hi? Everybody? All right, So we're doing Lauren B. So we're down to the final two. Lauren b. Um, he said this and this to answer your question, Bowen, I feel like a little schoolboy trying

to chase after his crush. That to me, he kept he couldn't believe he got her for whatever reason. She I think partially because she's a little dull. So there was like I think sometimes when like I've done this where somebody who was dull, I kept thinking, Oh, they're just shy. They're just shy, and so you fabricate them. And I think he made her the girl he couldn't get and the guy inside of him that like I thought he wasn't lovable. I think this was it, Like

I'm gonna feel okay, so there. I remember them releasing these little turtles, which was so fucking cute, and like it's funny hearing her talking now about herself then like it's I feel that she's she's like, I like the

simple things, like my dad. He's obsessed with this yard and like like, oh my god, and they were so basic and this hearing and like so we took her on a drive and the Zeo Hotel used to be a movie theater and this's where he got his first kiss and he didn't know how to make the move and he recreated it. And then she's like, and I remember them doing this a lot, like I think you're my person. I can't. She's like, I'm in love with Ben, not Ben the Bachelor. I'm in love with Ben from

Warsaw Indiana. I love Ben. I'm completely in love with you. And I remember like being happy for him. And then we watched there was like a show after this, like of them as New Louis, and she hated him so fucking and she just was she wanted like I think she was so disappointed by the reality of like a small house in Denver and not being like like remember that, Katie, And do you hated Do you remember there was an entire episode we watched this whole fucking thing because it

was terrible. There was a whole episode where he wanted to use an old garage door as a headboard from like his first house, and the whole episode was about how she was just like absolutely way and then and then she really was a BC had offered for them to get married on TV, and like she really wanted to. He was like, I don't really, even though now he's kind of like Ulee in on the franchise and like that's it's just interesting how like she wanted the cameras rolling,

she wanted a helicopter, she married a country country star. Like, but just seeing the beginning of this, it's like, I just like Ben from Indiana, I like simple things. It was weird because like the conversations that they would have

were so cringe. And then when he would talk to Jojo or hang out with Jojo, or like that moment when she made him come into the bathroom with her and like have a real conversation with there, I was like, it seems like you have some real rapport with this girl, and she seems to be the one that is actually it's something is happening between you and her. And when he dumped her, you could see in his eyes like he knew he had made a huge mistake. I mean there,

I think immediately it was terrible. Oh okay, watching their date, their Wrigley Field date was so cute, watching her do their little like a book of like her being a house flipper, and like trying to tell her, like what they were so cute together and that she was such a and just even their chemistry, like them in the under the waterfall. Then making out like when she when she came in with the horse's head on her head,

I was like, I like her. She's stupid. Yeah, the unicord she she had a little like she had a little pepper and her pot. Yeah, she was like stupid in a fun way that I connect with me too, and wear a horse's head on my head and be like nay, anyway, see you later. And then like she did it and like he when when she said, I I've been trying to not say this, but like I

am falling. I was falling in love with you, and now I can actually say I am in love with you, and he goes, jojo, I love you too, And look at her little face when she says, what you do. It was so cute. It was hopeful, and then finding

out like it was she was very honest. I felt like in her interview because I feel like a lot of these people now after the factor, now with somebody else and there, so there's are weird about it, like getting interviewed, they're like no, no, I mean it's fine, And I feel like she was like when she had the next date with him and he said he was conflicted, and she found out that he also said it to

This was the big controversies. He said he's the first one to say I'm in love with you to two women too, and that she felt like she'd been cheated on. I don't blame her. I felt so bad. I mean, you can't. Here's the thing. It's like, when I was watching it, I was like, so, there's a world where you know, all these women are in the house together this whole time, so they really know each other better

than they know him. Yes, when is it going to happen that he can't decide between the two of them because he's legit in love with both of them And they're like, we'll be together and the three of them all just go off and live polly existence. And I personally would be in support of it, Oh my god. I mean I except for I wouldn't want Jojo to be stuck with Laura Lauren. No, I mean, ultimately, Jojo

can do better, and I'd be fine with that. That um, I just when he she they let her give the like at the actual proposal, she gave the longest speech and they let her the entire speech, and it's like, I love you, I love you with my whole heart, I trust you. And then when he goes I it was it sucked. And then you'll notice that on her season when she was the bachelorette, she did not allow that she like like he started talking, she was like, stop, yes,

because she's a kind person. I agree with you. I have to say. He clearly was in love with Jojo, but he wanted to pick the girl he couldn't believe he got, and I would imagine for he and Lauren it was probably hard to get past like he was gooded watching how he felt when Jojo walked, what it was like, he clearly, I agree with you. He knew he made a mistake. He loved her, they were happy together,

they were so cute. He wasn't emotionally intelligent enough to understand what he had just done, but I think he knew enough to know that he had felt great despair because even when he was then like you would think would be this thing where it would be really hard to say goodbye to the runner up, but you would then have a second win because you know you're going to like start your life with the winner who actually are in love with. But he is he it looked

like never got over doing that to her. He looked fucked up from it. He really like fucked up from it. And and I felt watching her get interviewed from her everybody's backdrop looks the same, but her house looks the grandest of everybody. She has a house. She's got a huge house. She was a lead, you know what I mean. She probably has bachelorette money, has real endorsement money. And she's also so half Persian, comes from some money. I've

seen her. All Persians know where other people's Persian money

comes from. We're all aware. I love too that there's I also like that they actually had they had a Persian baslorette and never really that was huge for me, And I was like, well, he was white passing, and they that they at the time probably felt nervous about saying she was because like you'd be shocked, like like I'll mention that I have Iranian friends to like basic white older people, and they were like what, Like, it's like it's like a crazy thing to them to even

mention the word Iran because they're in their imagination it's like a brown person who like is flinging spices at you and ship. The most racist conception of it was funny because when they went to her hometown in her season or no, I guess it was this season, her mom was just like her Persian assue. Mom kept like she's a princess. It's like she was just chucky Champagne did like a coin, just drinking champagne straight from the bottle.

And I was like, this is every family member I've ever had, just like well, like man home, her brothers ran. They were a giant cowl next sweaters and they kissed her on the mouth, and we're like rude to him. They both they kissed, they both kissed her right on the lips and then were immediately awful to him. So it's also come to a real season where it's fun. No, I'm telling you, I was, are you going to do the Rachel's season? Yeah? Do you want to? I mean

this one? Yeah? You want to do it, I'll be back. Okay. Do you want to do the Rachel season? Yeah? Okay, what are they hearing that? Couples not next week? They're probably interested in having other guests, so are you and do the Rachel's season. We would love to have you for the Rachel's season. Bowen, you don't have to, but we would love to have you again. But if you if you can't handle it, I understand. If you can't

handle another doing, I get it. I'll just know that I am going to watch that in two weeks when it happens. Yes, yes, we want you for whenever the Rachel as soon as we know when the Rachel one is, it's yours okay, and you'll either be with Bowen or somebody else depending on a bow Okay. So then um, Lauren? So then so then he cuts Joe Joe and he said, um, I love Lauren, but I could have been very I

could have been married. I could When Lauren saw that, yeah, and then she says he's the last first kiss I ever wanted to have. Your made, Harrison, I love you, And then they got engaged. Last week, they didn't even show Caitlin's getting proposed to by Sean, Like, I'm surprised they showed all of this, and then we see him now and he's got his huge young lady that he slid into her d MS and she's twenty five and

they're very cute. We found out that they don't sleep into they're staving each other for marriage, and they don't share a bed allegedly. Jesus, this is so antiquated, Like it's just so crazy. It's like, I really I'm happy that the Bachelor fantrase is finally like having a person of color lead, But can we please like get a interesting lead, like like Rachel Lindsay was a dynamic person and you find out ever since her season ended, like

she's even better than she was on the season. Actually, so let's just like shake it up, Like was great, Caitlin was great. Give us Matt James looks really fucking hot, Like he's he's certainly hot. He's so hot. I'm from James. I think Claire kind of sucks. We're going to have to get through Claire's season. Oh, I think she asked first that she's thirty nine. That's exciting. I love, but

I wink they chose a cooler one. But I do think I think she's like at this point ever since seeing her again on Winner Games where she got in to a fight with a German guy about the hot tub appointment for a hot tub that she didn't make, and he was he's very German and he was very upset by it because Germans take everything so literally. But pub and you miss it. You have appointment with the hot pub. You must be there for the appointment for the hot pub. It was unreal. I will send you

guys a link to the clip. I think like her energy of like what are you fucking talking about? Like, I like that she brings that sort of no nonsense energy, and so I think she'll be good on this show where these dudes who are at this point may not get a paradise so they're like, you know, if you're not going to win her heart, like what are you really doing on there if you don't have a reason to try and get Instagram followers. So I think it'll

be an interesting season with her. It's just I mean that only they've had some moments where like like I guess like they think they've had like a hashtag girl boss moment, like when Hannah was like, I fucked in a windmill. Like like when she finally took her space and said that she sucked Peter four times on the windmill, that was kind of cool. Like that she had like

a misogynist guy in the house. That was like, if you've had such with any other guys, like, let me know now, And she was like, I absolutely have an ey would again and again and again. I loved that. Um, but girls are more fun though it's more far from the women and also sort of fun because the guys. There's weird bromances in the house like that, guys really fall for each other. I think that I think Bachelor's more fun than the Bachelor. I would agree. Um, will

you help us pick a tweet of the week? Yes, Okay, So what we're here's the name of the game. I'm going to tell you five or six tweets, We're going to narrow it down to two, and then we're going to pick the number one. Okay, okay. This is from Chaz at Thorium Dragon. Going from Van Hippie to Beauty Queen is a lifetime movie. Going from Beauty Queen to Van Hippie is a cry for help. That's Honny. That's Monny. Okay. This is from I don't know who it's from. I'll

find out later. Biggest boner in Batch history been not picking Jojo or that waterfall scene. Look at his bonera. Oh my god, I have to see this here. I'll text it to you guys as well. Honestly I get it though he's probably horned up and honestly like she was hot in the bikini. He was so hot. That's the thing too. That was Jojo, right, that was Jojo. She to me, she was like, way, way, way, way more desirable than anyone else. She's so hot in the

top section. It's like that. I mean, she obviously was the pick for me. Nanna, who did that? It's from Bachelor archive. Oh that's exciting. Okay, Um, this is from Liz You guys, do you guys see it in your did she text? Here? We go number three? Liz too. Don't go a Jizzy Lizzie. Their apps? Does any woman who's been on the show not have Instagram face? Now? Wow? Okay, so we're all clocking the same we're all clocking the

same day. This is also from Jessy Lizzie Raps would love to be a fly on the wall at the Bachelor Villain support group that Olivia apparently right. Uh and this is uh Anna, you're gonna have to tell me who this is from. Ben looks like he's about to ring some doorbells and tell people about Joseph Smithy. Okay, so I'm gonna narrow it down to um, let's see what do we enjoy be like bone Er? Do we like Van Hippie? I like Van Hippie. I like Van Hippie and Boner. I think those are the two. Or

faith Instagram face will go Van Hippi and Boner. Okay, so this is from chazz A Thorium Dragon. Going from Van Hippy to Beauty Queen is a lifetime movie. Going from Beauty Queen to Van Hippy is it cry for help? And then this is from Bachelor Archived. Hey, Bachelor Archive, we're so grateful for you. You might want to check. We think that your website might be giving everybody viruses

by accident. I think just be aware there's some crazy ads that keep infecting just and I don't you mean not know it because I know your heart is pure that somebody might have come in and put some weird spy where boiler your computer? But we love you and we wouldn't be able to do what we do without you. So this is from Bachelor archive. Biggest bon or in Batch history? Been not picking Jojo or that waterfall scene.

Do we want biggest boner in history? Or do we want Van Hippie Bowe and Van Hippie or Boner Van Hippie. I'm gonna also go Van Hippie. Um, we'll go. We'll let Matt be the decider or do you want to go first? Matt? Matt you go? I mean I was going to pick the Boner one because I feel like I feel like I really just want this show to sort of get to it and became imporn. So this is the closest way about it has. But I appreciate that you guys like the comedy of Van Hippie, Katie,

Van Hippie or Bone or Bonner. You know, I'm always a family. We can see their boners, Katie to see I mean, I want I want the gratification. Okay, Anna, So that's a time We've got two for bon or two for Van Hippy. Anna. Oh, I think I'm gonna go with Boner because it's so funny to me, like, alright, Batch Archive is Bachelor Archive is transmitting viruses time like this. It's terrible. I cancel Bachelor Archives. But we love That's where Archive and we just want them to go in

and maybe kick out. We don't think they're doing it on purpose. I know they need to get their cookies together. They just got to get their cookies together because they might be giving everybody viruses. But you did get the tweet of the week Batch Archive with your biggest boner in batch history. Been not picking jokes out or that waterfall scene. You guys like us on iTunes? You can email us of Rose podcast at gmail dot com. This is from Ali de Wes. I think I'm staying the

wrong Wese. This subject is keep doing the Lord's work. Hey, I just wanted to say, will you accept this? Roses quickly become one of my top favorite podcasts. I started listening after hearing Art and on Almost Famous during Peter season and have been binge listening during the quarantine. I often find myself laughing out loud at the commentary and bits. The communic chemistry between the guests on every episode keeps

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acting day is done. Also, I'm not sure if you guys talked about this or notice this already, but I noticed during Caitlin's throwback episode, but painting in Chris Harrison's office looks like an abstract of the Texas state flag, which makes it a million times wre hacking and annoying that if it were just any ruther than ugly rainbow painting. Thanks for making me laugh during these ap apocalyptic scary times and making your listeners feel like friends. I hope

you all are staying self and safe and healthy. Um from Ali PS. I have to admit I've been wanting to listen to previous seasons in the pod, but Jerry is so hilarious I'm nervous it wouldn't feel the same without him, although I'm sure it still would be amazing. Ali, that's such a great email. I would recommend going who got Aaron Folly is so funny? Maybe start with Joejoe's season. I feel like Joejoe's season was a really funny season and we really hit our stride. Do you guys agree

on that? Anna and Katie? Yeah? I think so because Aaron Folly was on part and we had a funny ones with Steve Heightener, I feel like that's a good one to go to. And I did not notice that it looked like an abstract painting of the Texas tape flag that What do you guys think of that? I didn't notice, But that's I'm gonna have to go check it out, all right. This one's from Jessica ham Um and her subject is puzzle me please. That's coming up in two weeks and I hope you got it, Jessica,

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Sonya and she ease a pre this season. Dorenda. I'm so new because I don't often get drunk, whe I do, I go hard. I'm also a bit of an arts emotional train wreck, if I'm being totally honest. And she pre ordered my book from a black owned bookstore in d C and um and we are, Yes, Jesse, I finally got the puzzles, so we're gonna be mailing we have really cute topebags. It's next week. We're gonna give away totebag. Anna, you've seen them, the little miss Little

They're high quality too. And then the puzzle. Can Anna, can we put a picture of the puzzle up on our Facebook page today. I don't want to put it on my Instagram because I'm gonna be sending it out to people and I don't want them to see it yet, but I would love our listeners to be able to see what they're hoping to win, because it's so I made these puzzles that I'm gonna like send out with the book in September to like Chelsea Handler gave you quote,

Nami Humor gave me quotes. I'm going to send them all like a book and a puzzle and so as like a surprise. So that's I'm not gonna put it on my Instagram page, but this will be the same puzzle that they're getting. I made a couple of extra puzzle to do giveaways to you guys, and they're pretty fucking crazy, aren't they. Anna. I love them I want one to I have one for you. I'm a puzzle. It's me and Mittens and it says meet the authors,

and I'm dressed up. I've recreated my sixth grade photo and I have braces made and I look like barbed from strangers thing. I look crazy. I look actually like I'm mentally ill. Would you agree with that assessment, Anna, I would never say that. I think you are living your best life. You know, I really and things are so good guys. So again, you can email us at Rose podcast at gmail dot com. Also, we love your um we love love love when you like us and

leave us messages, leave us reviews on iTunes. Here's one that's so fun that we got recently. It is five stars. Um a thousand words are worth a picture, and it's from M d M D M d M. I'm from Iran and I find the culture of the Bachelor somewhat confused, saying there are so many moments when I'm thinking this can't be real life. This sounds so scripted. Then again, as an outsider, I can't be sure, but your podcast has provided me a window into unfiltered and authentic thoughts

on the show. You're a delightful social butterfly who brings interesting groups of people together to discuss the episodes. And I love to hear all the different perspectives, specifically Jerry Trainers, who first impressions of The Bachelor echoes a lot of mine. I wouldn't lose sleep over missing the show itself, but I stay up to listen to your podcast. Thank you so much. Anna, I mean Anna from Iran? Did you know that her parents are Iranian? Or do you know that?

Did you? When you watch The Bachelor, Anna, are you like when you first watched it when you were younger? I mean, I know you grew up in the U S. But did you did you find anything that I was like, Wow, this is this? This seemed like did it? Was there any a of a culture shock or anything versus the world you've grown up in. I mean I knew, like I was like, this is this is not this is the American way of like dating like in Iran. It's so much. It's so different how you like get together

with a guy. I mean, I think it's a little bit more um the younger you are, like the generations, it's more maybe a little bit closer to what we do in America. But for the most part, like you basically your parents meet you. You can't date an Iran is the situation. So you would never see something like this, And so like growing up, what would your cousins think

of this show? I mean they would watch it because you know, westernized culture is big there, but like it's you wouldn't ever think like I could go on a show like that, Like it's not I would never in my life think that I could go on a show like that because one of my parents would kill me. They'd be like, no, absolutely not. You can't date a guy who's dating all these women. Also, like you can't be showing that much skin on TV, and oh god,

you can't be like putting yourself out there. Someone's going to turn the evil eye on you because you're not

being humble enough. And you're like, oh my god, there's so much going on, like culturally not possible, turney, but I have in when I've been in Iran, I'll watch like Turkish programming and they have like in Turkey, it's a lot, you know, it's a lot more westernized, or at least it used to before Dagon but um or urda Wan but um, Yeah, they have like Turkish dating shows like this that I would watch because there's like

nothing else on that I could watch. I being okay, well they're they seem to be doing it where all the women and men live in a house together and like date each other. And that's like even wilder to me because it's in Turkey. But yeah, not not commonplace in Iranian culture. I love that we can help you a window, if it makes you feel any better. I grew up here, and uh, I grew up and I'm my I think I'm like my great grandparents were sort of like I'm like third Like I still can't even imagine.

There is no part of my upbringing. I cannot imagine ever fitting in at the mansions I have. I have fantasies of cloning myself and trying to like put myself through the experience of it as like a social science experiment, but there I so don't. It is so far removed from the world that I personally grew up in I cannot imagine anything more. I mean, I'm just new ladies who cleared acres of brush with their bare hands and drove tractors and uh, you know, just wore chapstick and

dungarees and so it's a different world. But it's so fun and we're so glad you're here. So thank you. Yeah, that's pretty cool to know there's another Iranian listening. All right, guess what have you buy my book Little Miss Little Compton and you send in a screen grab of your receipts starting today. Every week I am doing giveaways. This week, I'm doing a T shirt. Next week, I'm doing a little Miss Little Compton topebag. I have meet the author's

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