Welcome to Will You Accept This Rose? A production of I Heart Radio. Oh yeah, it all feel so good. I just wow. I am because I saw Rita Wilson, who may or may not have had COVID filled with people and watched a slow jam count search sometime in February. Oh, we actually found the only human manners. That is, they asked the right reasons and turns up that's a foreign reason to be on the television program. I am feeling so it's so horny on this Thursday afternoon, Just so excited.
There's so much sexual tension rocking it out. To Listen to Your Heart the most amazing addition. Welcome to Will You Accept This Rose? My name is Arte Marine, coming to me you from my bougie garage and slover like California. I am so excited. Guys, we made it. We made it to the end of the amuse bush of the Bachelor World. A six episode jaunt called Listen to Your
Heart with Us. Our first guest today as a woman who didn't really want to go on this journey with us, but she agreed to go on it at the beginning of the season. And then she was already on the train and her bags were already packed, and she was like, I've got a nice tom Ford foundation, I may as well put it on. And I'm curious to see if her feelings have changed. You know her from the view, you know her from her radio show at Serious Exam, I know her as a woman. I had one of
the most fun nights with this year. She was like a magical lighthouse that brought Eddie Murphy to us, ladies and gentlemen. One of the funniest people I know, Michelle Collen. Hi, everybody, what a treat to be back. Thank you for me. At some point in time, we were in a crowd talking to Eddie Murphy and you know, you say that it's because of me, but I will go to my grave thing it's because of you because you were talking. Yeah, it was a one too. We had the We were
a good tag team. Like I got him lured over because I was talking to Keegan. But then he was so enchanted he came for the gigs, he stayed for the columns. Let's be real, um. That was also the night I gave my number to Juan Carlo Esposito, who never yes funny story, you know what. He was so
up in your business in a fun way. That but it almost felt like if he did call, you would have had a crazy lost weekend something, you know what I mean, Like it would have been That's what you're trying to say, and you know what, it would have been worth it. It would have been worth it. There was you had some nights on earth we have pheromones, and that was a night that, for whatever reason, it wasn't joy to witness. I felt I I executed my
wing woman position perfectly. And anytime, anytime, I will do a rent the runway and I will get full face and I will go any time speaking of my full face, my rent the one way. Speaking of my new friend, I'm gonna say in now, I knew him because we we covered his season of The Bachelor here, we covered
his season Paradise here. But now like I've been hanging out with him on his podcast, and I'm so happy to have him here with us, ladies and gentlemen, the host of The Vile Files, and ask Nick Nick Vile, thanks for having me. Thank you so much for being here. So I'm so I'm honored to be here. You know, I've had you on my podcast and now I feel like, you know, giving you the tour of my house and now I'm getting the tour of of your world. So
we'll get ready. It is, it is. It's a little mischievous, it's silly, um and we of course half of us Anna and Katie Hello. I mean overall, I gotta just say and I'll take us through the episode. I mean, like, I was so disappointed it last night. I was, Oh, I was so like, just I've never wanted to lose my dignity and beg somebody to stay in my life
or on television. When I realized Matt was going to rob me of two songs from Rudy, I just wanted to be like, bro, bro, just like just you don't even need to win, just just entertain me with two more songs. That when I realized what was happening, I really had to take a minute to myself. Were you guys on the same page as me? Nick? Oh? Yeah. It was a weird thing to realize that, you know,
Matt and uh Rudy, we're gonna be going home. And I think most people's reaction was like, well, we don't get to watch them sing because uh, you know, Brion and Chris for the most in love, and then you could argue the most talented, but Matt and Rudy were clearly the if you're looking at both uh stage presents and musical ability, they are by far in the way the most fun to watch, right, Like, you may not like be falling in love with their connection, but who
gives a ship like when you watch like we watched Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga and we don't really care if they're actually love. It's just like fun to pretend
that they are, like right, like that doesn't matter. I mean, and she had a really good point and we'll get to it, but she had a good point that she was like, yeah, I have never like the whole time on stage, I've been where I've been at, so we can just do these Like you could see her wrapping her head around, like, oh my god, because because you're not ready to put a ring on it, you won't
sing these two songs with me. And this goes back to he's the He was the person who got out of the car and did not know who Chris Harrison was, which is sort of fun, but I think he really thought maybe that he had to get engaged or something like, I think he took it really seriously. Michelle, when you realized that Matt was pulling the ejector cord, how did you feel. Well, you know, I've always had a thing where I don't trust people whose eyes are too close together.
It's been something I tell everybody when the eyes are only an into part. I pulled back a little bit and he had he was a near cyclops, which for me was a problem from the get go. I'm gonna just cann't freaked out when they're wide or like shark guys. It's making me a little insecure because after I got engaged in Vanessa, the first thing she told me is that my eyes were kind of close together, which was
like revealing, was really revealing to me. But now I'm just like self consciously, you know, that was the first thing she said after you got engaged, within the first two hours. I mean, she wasn't she wasn't trying to say it to be me, and she was. You know, we all tell bad jokes sometimes I certainly do all the time, but Sally, this hold on that you should feel good and secure because if I said it knowing that you're on this podcast and I'm looking at you.
Then clearly they're not too close together, because I would have felt unconscious. Honestly, you know what, I have to back up Michelle that if if she had said it, and I would be like, who well, whoa, there's clothes
that there's no car is on this podcast? What you think? No, I might be a silly girl, but ultimately I'm a people pleaser and I want to be a good host, and I wouldn't want to bring somebody onto So there's no part of you that to me has close Yes, I think you can eliminate that from your brain if nothing else you came on this, Yeah, you don't have this, Sorry that I don't know what. I don't want to make this about me or my looks. Let's let's focus
for that. Yeah, let's for that. It's already happened, So let's flog us out Matt. But yeah, so you don't know you don't like Matt is what you're saying. I think here's the truth. I think Rudy was dumb, and I think Matt was dumb. Rudy was done because she was really getting feelings for this guy who clearly was not feeling them back, and it was hard to watch. She felt a little bit immature to me in the way that she handled it. And was she talented by far?
Was she the craziest one by far? That is why we wanted her to go to the end, because she was entertaining. And then one that didn't happen. It was like, well, what the f have I been watching for five weeks? This weird fake competition about who can stare each other down more on stage? Yeah, when it's a production problem. Really,
I couldn't believe that they. I know they enjoyed getting the weeping behind the bathroom door, which is always fun, and I know they enjoyed, but I feel like they should have paid double to have a producer throw their body in front of Matt and somehow talk comment just for the stage charisma alone forced them to do those
two songs. Yeah, but at the same time, like it's the finale, so they needed it to be down to two in a sense, and so they needed a you know, you still got listen, but they took out the bad
and they took up the fun act. Depending on all that matters is that you cared and the fact that you were mad, And they did their job right, like Nikki Glazier was texting me from Missouri and rage and her parents were enraged, and they thought that Matt was being a dumb dumb and that he should have just that was definitely not being a dumb dumb Matt was,
you know. Mess was a classic case of guy sensing that girl's way into him and then like he's here like kind of like to the point of you said, like, this guy didn't even know who Chris Harrison is, so he hears the word fantasy. Sweet, he's baby, He's been hurt enough to be like, you know what happens in fantasy, so they like fucking Windmills, buddy, like you need to like step up, you know, and he was just like, I did this girl super into me. She's super cool.
I respect the hell out of her. When a guy says that to you, and you're a girl like you does not want to have sex with you. And so he was super worried about like having sex with her and then being called an asshole. So he would rather be called an asshole by Rudy before he slept with her rather than after. Okay, so we had before he last we had a theory last week that they did it in the Haunted motel, which is why she got
extra crey at the rehearsal. The theory was that they they they humped like near near Victorville, near the Bottle Ranch and that haunted motel. And then the next day he was like, oh my god, what did I do? And she's they're acting all weird at rehearsal because they because they did it. That was I thought this was common knowledge that they had. I actually was sure that they had slept together, because the next morning it was like bad head, you know, like the must up hair
for her. Yeah, she had that the look of total release that we're also familiar with. I felt like she really to me, it's possible given the fact that like this this show is a little closer to like say Paradise for like, you don't you don't need the fancy sweet to like have sex in that world. That being said, like what has Matt shown us, Like he's he's a little skeptical of this world. He's a little nervous, he's
a little self conscious about it. And so he was just like, I'm not having sex with anyone, Like there's cameras everywhere, Like this fear of like, definitely did no jacket. I feel like he did it and then was like, oh my god, what did I do? And now and now she's all over me, and now we're at a Shaggy concert and now listen. This is nothing against Rudy, but she said, like Dave one her episode one, She's like,
I fall fast, I fall hard. She I think she referred to herself as a little crazy, which is totally fine. So I'm simply saying, like, I don't think she had to, you know, get some dick to get crazy. I think she was capable of being this way without it. Like I think, it doesn't hurt, It doesn't hurt, it doesn't into things. It's the Also keep in mind she's being constantly asked by everyone, do you think Matt likes you?
Do you think he doesn't like you? And like they're just she's just getting driven nuts, you know what I'm saying, Like, we haven't had in the moments, Michelle, You know I haven't had in the moment. Can we ask that's true? Can we ask a question? Or can I ask a question? How do you think the show was pitched to these
contestants though? Do you think it was sold to them as a singing competition for single people where their date they're going to date, or as a show where they're gonna find love and also sing because I think it was pitched as a singing competition and this guy got I think a little bamboozled that came to when ended up happening. That's a good question. I don't know, because it wasn't about the singing at all. They were not judged on their singing. They were judged on their chemistry,
you know, and can you look up? I feel like there were ads. Didn't they have ads for it? Or like the the equivalent of the crazy ads that they're fishing with Claire Crawley right now. Like I feel that there were ads, just as they ran ads with the seniors that they were trying to cast. I feel like I saw an ad for what they were fishing for. By the way, I still can't handle the Claire ads.
The Claire ads, dude, if you are the bachelorette, and like they're literally making it feel like it's like like this beautiful woman. They're like, come on, your great aunt Shelley needs love to like the girls ads for own TV or like for our time it's just everything about it. So Claire's thirty nine, so don't dress her like a twenty two year old. But she she's beautiful. She looks very young. Dressed her like like a like a mature nine year old, not like a forty five fifty year old.
It's like a forty five year old. Like Bordello the Madam, like a Bordello Jackie Collins. It's like she was the baddest madam in the world. Look like like Western movie. Yeah, it looks like a photo like she's a character in an old Western movie. She runs a brothel like sweet seeing Mama Clair, see Mama Claire, and he's love to you know with blur. There's like a blur over the letter.
Even the letters aren't Chris, like the edges are bleeding out, like her lips wrinkled lips exactly as if she's been smoking, Like do he packs a day and you just put vasiline all over her, like beautiful face all over the snared it on the five like everything. Speaking of speaking of Nicky Glazer, like that's the first episode and I had her on my podcast to recap it. She was just like, why are they doing this to her? Like why, It's like they're begging for guys to like listen, to
do this for everyone. But you combine that photo with the fact that just like it comes across like please anyone, anyone, and they're they're literally calling her old in the ad. All right, you guys, I'm taking So here we are. We're at the start of Listen to Your Heart finale. We're not taking the Why would we drive the buses that we rented from from Vegas to Nashville when we can fly? So they fly to Nashville, and um, somebody
emailed us that Jamie's all excited that she's home. But somebody emailed us that they rented her their place and that she moved there last summer, so she's actually only lived in Nashville since last summer. According to one of our listeners, UM, Trevor's plan is to move to Nashville because Jamie's there. Let's talk about that for a hot second. Did he say because Jamie's there or he was saying he said my plant. She says that he his plan is to move to Nashville because she lives there. I
don't buy it. Do you buy it? No? I mean spoiler alert we're already broken up with Jamie. That's what NICKI wanted to know. Anna, you just sent me the thing. What did it say? What does the ad say for the Bachelor? This is for the how they pitched it. It says single or seeking single singer musicians for new ABC dating show synopsis, Are you a single musician looking for love? And it says yeah, people who are ready
to find love all ethnicities. By the way, I'm how you said magician, and I would also watch that show if they have started the same magician show. By the way, if you guys have, If you guys have never been to the Magic Castle in Los Angeles, where you have to like to be a member, you have to be able to execute a magic trick and it's the most amazing thing. And you've never been. I'm sorry, but you've never been in a room with so many like adult
male versions. It's the horneous room. And then you get like the weird magic groupies that are there to like that you can tell these ladies at the bar like only bone magicians. I did go on a date there once and I made out in the sleight of hand, So there we go. Wow, did he have a dragon robot he pulled I pulled a rabbit out of my pants. No, I was very drunk and it was fun. But there we got um. Okay. So they go and they're like, okay.
Chris Harrison comes in. He says, there's gonna be fantasy there's gonna be fantasy suitets and at this point you better be on the same page. And cut to met in a full panic and they're at the Hermitage Hotel, which is flut Sea, and they're like, it's really classy. Nixon stayed here. There was it was the least sexy hotel. It felt very elegant, but like very grand. It was like doing it amidst your grandmother's doilies. Nothing says sex like a place that Richard Nixon slept in. Ye, right,
it feels like Nashville. Such a cool Channe. I'm like, this is the oddest choice of lodging. Would you want to get in the Bone Zone and the Hermitage? Michelle me, well, you know what, I reek of class I think everyone in this podcast can agree, so I would, And given that, like it's been what two months since we've been locked up, I would, Um, I pretty much have sex anywhere uh, you know the Labardia Hilton. Uh looks real nice these days.
So yeah, I would, I would Nick. Uh yeah, I mean clearly I've shown that anywhere, Like I don't, that's I mean, you're there was just something I was like, it was so it felt very old fashioned. I'm like, this is so strange. Well, I mean again, like again, I feel like I'm I'm defending or you know, giving away trade secrets here. But like that's clearly the hotel going to the show being like, this is what we'd like you to say about our hotel. Yes, so it's
always it's always weird. And then then the producers will go to like the cast members be like, so could you you just remind the audience that Nixon hung out here, And then like Trevor, who's never heard of Nixon, he was just like so like yeah, this like amazing president. You know, yeah, he was great. He was the best president we had. Who all right, Um, So then we see man full spin out and he whispers we have to talk after, and Rudy's like after what He's like everything.
So we see him like pacing the hallway, freaking out, full panic attack, and um, and they get unchained melody. Chris, Chris gets that, and they're all excited. I know. I mean, you know what I say, Chane, that melody, I'm over it. They need the melody, they need to change the work. I have to say ghost the Ghost Pottery scene did that song in um It just was watching Rudy and Matt spin out and she's hiding under the pillows and everybody else's rehearsing and she's dying slowly, and then he
climbs in. He's like, do you want to sit on the couch. He's like getting to know. He's been amazing. You know. I love getting to sing with you, and I believed this was the most amazing musical experience. But I'm hearing this stuff from Chris Harrison. It's hard for me that we're not at the same level. I'm gonna feel like an idiot, but I can't get there, and and I don't want you to resent me. And he tapped out, and I just I couldn't believe he robbed us of the songs. I don't know, Nick, what do
you what do you think? I was already over the show, so for this to happen, I was like, all right, let's just let's just get to the end. I think that again, I think it had more to do with Matt was just living in fear at that point. He just wanted out. I was so confused about the fantasy sweet thing because it felt like they were giving everyone like it felt like people were staying in hotel rooms together,
and then it didn't get it. You know, Like Chris Harrison is really good at his job, right, Like he's very good at walking in and out of nowhere, like like putting a level of like weight on every situation, and it's almost like I loved how it was kind of funny. I think it was like brand in the middle of the season. It was like episode three where
Chris is like everything's changing. Everyone's like we just got here, and the look of confusion on Brandon's face where Chris Harrison's like, you need to decide if you were in love right now, and you know, but Chris is going at his job, so he comes in there and like everyone's just like, hey, are you ready to are you ready to move forward? You're ready to make this commitment? And then you always have like people like Jamie or whatever in this world being like fuck yeah, man, I'm
ready to die for this person. And then you have the person like Matt who's just like what is going on here? Like do I need to like you know,
like he's that that's that's what you see Matt doing. Also, keep in mind, like the pacing of Matt might have been him walking for thirty seconds, you know, like they make it seem like it was a nine hour like marathon for Matt, but it's entirely possible he was like, you know, really thirsty and couldn't get a coke and like decided to like walk in circles and paste like we all do sometimes and like that. Oh, that's gotta feel terrible when you see your edit and you're like, wait, no, no,
what did you do? I know it's a weird thing because Jamie clearly has watched The Bachelor. She knows the game, she's all in. She's so young, and he's a dude from Milford, Connecticut who's like a good musician who probably just plays bar gigs up and down the East Coast. Is like, what is happening here? Why did I not pick American Idol? Yeah, well Trevor did. Oh my god, dude, Trevor Okay, So wait, can I ask that question? Do you guys think Ryan Seacrest had a stroke on Sunday
or not? Let's talk about that. I I I saw a post saying he did not. I was like, what, I didn't know that? Do you I didn't see it. I didn't see it. What did it look? Did it look like he did? So you guys like I saw the screen grab of it on the Daily Mail and it stuck with me for to my dying day. One I was the size of a dinner plate and one was just like a coin slot. And then he's little
face and uh, he slurred his words. I don't think he had a stroke because it would have passed out, but he looked like a still from ren and stimpy, like he didn't look normal. So I'd like to know. Maybe. Okay, me too, Listen it was okay, and Michelle and I were talking earlier. We're almost at the season finale below deck sailing yacht, and I gotta tell you, well, I I loved watching the guests have snorting cocaine and paddling like a madman around the Greek island, just flying on coke.
I could watch that for hours now here's the show I can get behind below deck sailing got the best. It was great guests, it was phenomenal. It was there's so much cocaine, and they and the fully artists added in audio and never something we close the door. You just hear. It was amazing. And then and then they would show them quickly paddling on paddleboards like manically paddling. Okay, so okay, so bye bye Rudy and Matt. So now we're down to Chris and Brie. And we're down um
to Jamie and Trevor. Let's start. Why don't we start with Jamie and Trevor. So Jamie Trevor, they go into their fantasy suite. They've got the fur hug and you know he has all he he's dangerous for a girl like Jamie Young because he knows because he looks nice. He feels like he feels like the hot but attainable, like the cute guy at your high school. That's not even Yeah, he's like the second hottest guy at your
high school. You know, he's not the number one hottest guy at your high school, but he's the second hottest guy at your high school. And he seems nice which is and and I totally believe that he is the dirty dog that he's been portrayed. I feel like he's dangerous for that girl. It's funny because like a lot of the feedback I've gotten from producers about him is like they're not sure, and I listen, I think, you know,
he's just a fucking guy. You know, he's a he's not the there certainly can be a lot worse than him, but he's a type of guy. And I'm always critical of where he just trying. He's trying so hard to seem like the great guy that won't do this, and that's what makes it makes him kind of douchy about it because he's trying so hard to be so sweet and just I'm just like here for the right reason. And she's just a guy who likes the funk a
little bit, and that's totally fine. Um. But like when Jamie's like, I'm falling in love with you, he doesn't hesitate by saying in a really sincere way, I'm falling in love with you too. And he doesn't like her at all, like deep down, like he knows this isn't gonna like work out, but he convinced. He's really good at convincing himself of his own bullshit, and like that's
kind of where he's shitty. Is he a terrible human being? No, but he's just kind of like that in between, kind of like he's really good at bullshitting himself and then therefore bullshitting And you're right, like he's like a nightmare for someone like Jamie. She's really starting interrupting garden. She's really old. This is the time where she has to go out with guys like that. Like, I think this is a great lesson. It was on TV. Fine, but it's like she's a muppet baby. She she'll move on,
but yeah she should, you know what. She's also annoying the ship. So in my opinion, they deserved each other. Are didn't take it away. She's annoying, I will say not to be the creepiest person on earth. Her boobs are resplendent. They were boobs were spect and I was like, I gotta get I gotta get a great push up, bro, I have them. I never put him out there like them. Honestly, I didn't notice. The only thing I did notice was did not notice her. You liar, These amazing titties. You
did not notice those amazing titties. Honestly did not notice because I was so drawn in by Jamie giving relationship advice to literally everyone else because she thought her relationship was so perfect, Like I just loved that. It was great. Okay, let's talk about I want to nominate for an Emmy. The montage, so they've been on there like humpfest all night, like full bon zone. They're on there like like fur blanket.
And then in the morning, even though no one has ever already eating on the Bachelor of franchise, they have this full spread of like doughnuts and French toast and like. And then meanwhile, we have sweet probably Mormon Bree and Chris, who have politely had their water and then gone to their separate rooms having the most awkward interaction after their
terrible rehearsal. He's in a giant scarf. They're in their limousine awkwardly silently like the montage between their limo ride and the two of them in robes like posed like all night like fuck fest, feeding each other donuts was incredible. It felt almost like Bachelor in Paradise editing Michelle. I could not agree with you more. Bringing Chris to me. How do I put this? They like beetlejuice to my vagina? Shut you know what I'm saying. They like they're so
like church Lee. I don't know how to explain them or what they're dealing with people. Chemist three wise for a show, was literally judging people by chemistry. For me, I was not feeling good. But I guess I'm not Rita Wilson nick ardn't take it away. Yeah, I mean they're very like here's the thing. At first, I was confused by this whole, like I don't think we should
go to the fantasy suite. And then I thought to myself, I understand that people have sex in the fantasy suite, but a lot of people don't, So like, why aren't you going into the fantasy suite just to like shoot this ship and get to know each other more. However, then I forget that, like in this world, it's not like bachelor bachelorette world where they've been like hanging out constantly, Like this is not like you've had eight minutes in
nine weeks with this person. So so they're just kind of like and so my guess is Briri does we have a daughter, not that that really necessarily matters because she didn't. I think she grew up in a Mormon house and maybe she wanted to explain it to her, right so to me, to me, it very much looked like I just need I don't want people to think that I spent the night with this person in because so I don't know so that I'm just like I was logically like just kind of go into the logistics
of it. Um. So my guess is that's why it wasn't as big of a deal because in other times I was just like, dude, how could you pass up this opportunity to actually talk for the first time? But you get that opportunity and like in Paradise, right, and and so yeah, I mean, listen, they're sweet, they're nice. Definitely boring, not great TV, but they're very good and they're sincere. And I did enjoy listening to them. Saying I did, I would get a lot choked up. I mean,
I will admit that I didn't feel nothing. I have to say. Okay, so they want to get married, they want to have kids, they wanted a studio in their house, they want to go touring. Let's get to the we'll take a break and we'll come back. We'll get to the performance. What did your fantasy you? Okay, we're back. No, here we are all we we did not see Jamie and Trevor rehearse, right, or did I just like black
out and miss it? We didn't ever see the rehearse with the band, right, They were just too busy in their robes eating. So then they go to this venue and we have we have Tay Diggs. We have Jewel, who looks fantastic. I have to I'm moving into a van. I have to go. She looks so good, she looked so good her all that, she looked fantastic. And she's so helegant, the sheet, the hair, the skin, all of it. Um. And then we have oh, and then we have Caitlin
and uh, what's his name? Who's so sweet? Jason very much, He's so sweet. They're so cute. And then as Nikky Glazer texted me, Rita Wilson, who kind of looks like the ghost of Caitlin future like down the line, they kind of look alike. They could be like mother daughter, Caitlin and Rita side by side last night. So here we are. We're at there. I have to say I did like the music part of this. I liked the
band backup, I liked all the stringed instruments. I liked I was, but I was sadly missing uh Rudy and Matt and we have so up first as Jamie and Trevor and they do unchamed melody and was somebody tweeted at us like it was so sad that, like the his Falsetta was supposed to be the big moment and like nobody cared it was. I felt confused every time because they were perfectly good and perfectly cute. But watching them,
I thought, you can't send this on tour. Like I will say, Chris and Bree are beautiful to watch it, didn't Jamie and Trevor feel like the cute couple in high school that got to do the spring concert together. I don't know, Michelle, Um, what are you asking me? If I cared about it? Did they feel did they feel like they were like? Did they feel like pro
level performers Jamie and Trevor? Jamie to me felt like um, good good singer karaoke uh, but but annoying like Leah Michelle energy like knowing this singer, which I really hate people. I thought the musical theater majors, musical theater major. Um. Yeah, I don't know. They were fine. I actually thought the best singer was the Shakira looking girl, the five year old and Ryan. Oh my god, I was so bummed when they did the thing where they moved the mic
stand around and they Yeah, she was amazing. The Pussycat doll, she was amazing. She was fine. Natasha she was she had a big voice. Yeah, I'm not saying she was listen. She was obviously very good. But I neverbody in that whereby. I never really enjoyed watching them, And maybe it's because it's an odd combination. I don't know. Trevor and Jamie. I couldn't be more bored of them performing. Ever, when I realized that we had a second song to get through,
I just thought, are you freaking? Like, are you kidding me? Like there's another one? I very much. I was very sorry. Even if Rudy and Matt weren't gonna win, because like they weren't love enough. I would have been so happy for a fun perfect There was a lack of chemistry and they're both like really good at singing. But there's nothing. And again I say this sucking, but there was nothing special about their ability. You didn't stop and go wow.
And like I don't watch a lot of music competition shows, but again, like I I watched when when Brie and Chris would perform, or Matt and Rudy perform, I tend to watch those performances twice and I would fast forward through Trevor and Jamie. You know, you have to also think that for this show when they were casting it, like people who are super hot, who are unbelievably talented, are not going to go on a dating show. They're
going to go on The Voice or American Idol. So this is sort of already like second tier singers performers who are like you know, they kind of have to couple up to make it on. I don't know, I
feel like that's a good point. I don't know the casting processes of other shows, but knowing Reality TV and how they cast, my guess is just like everything else, Uh, there's various degrees of of why they cast, right, So even on American Idol or The Voice, right there, you don't you're not looking for everyone doesn't have to be amazing.
Some people have to have stories, So I would actually kind of disagree with you that some of the most talented, best looking people aren't always ending up on American Idol in the voice, because like that's not always good TV. You need like a level of like variety, and some people might not have a good story and things like that. So, like, you know, I don't know if like It did that. I don't think we're necessarily getting the B team fair enough.
I don't know if a lot of the people though from this season Arden would have ended up on an idol other than like Trevor and fake Shakira, who I thought was really good. Natasha Natasha. Yeah, I don't know. I bet you Ryan might have been able to, right, Yeah, Um, Rudy might have been able to. Rudy might have been
able to. The most brutal moment for me was in the car when Jamie, Wait, Jamie and Trevor we're seeing each other, and she was like, your voice is so sexy, and then she leaned in his face and went like like she breathed like right in his face. It was so it was like musical theater major. He was like, I just if anybody ever did that to me, I would just I would just barrel roll out of the car. Even if I was, you know, going like full speed up like the four oh five, I would just I would.
I would just open the door and bail. There's no doubt in my mind that. Like, again, like Jamie's pretty, she's sweet, she's talented, and she's just young enough on that show to be like just so fucking excited about everything, and Trevor was simply just trying to survive the show. He was just like just fucking power through, man, be nice, just get through this. We'll we'll break up with her down the road. And again, like that's not nothing against Jamie.
They're just it just wasn't like there was not a lot of chemistry, and Jamie's a total babe, So like that was totally fine for like Trevor to you know, fake until you made it you have confirmation that they're broken up. Yes, I mean I don't know like when people get back together. But I was told Trevor broke up with Jamie. Um okay, so then uh so then they did their thing. People really liked it, and then, um, you know, Rita Wilson was feeling it. Rita Wilson was
all over. She wanted babies to be made. There was so much talk about babies being made that made me so uncomfortable. And by the way people kept texting Anna, weren't you saying this was filmed? It made me so I didn't even realize but Lorie was texting us this was filmed, like right around right before. I think Rida got COVID is terrible to point out when film at the end of February. I think I'm I mean, I think they got it in Australia, but I know people
were a lot of people were tweeting about that. I'm sure it was fine. I'm sure fine. I mean everybody else was fine. Um, so then we so then we have Christenbury and I have to say I thought that second song was so beautiful, that one that they closed with with the backup. I mean they were they were so good. Their voices are so good. It's boring, but it's it's they were grounded. I felt like they did a really good job, even if they they had a terrible rehearsal Um, I don't know what what did you
think of their Sorry? Sorry? I like just started having realizations if it takes two weeks for your symptoms to rise. I actually saw something happening, that's all. Quite honestly. I saw you going somewhere, and I thought my friends in trouble. So I was sort of sending you a fishing line bringing you back to I did actually see you rocket out of your chair. Just I knew there was this happening. Oh. I started to be like two weeks March eleven, and then I was like, all the like, were you about
to take her to take your temperature? And where were you two weeks ago? No, I don't know, So who's rehearsing? Are you asking about? Sorry, I'm not asking about the performance Chris and Brie and how great they did. I thought Brie was so stiff. I wasn't like I thought Breeze performances in the past were better like that didn't like I wasn't like, wow, beautiful, great, Like she seems
so stiff, like her body wouldn't move. Pointed that out o our treasure Jewel pointed that out Jewel was like, your face is expressive and your body is like a rag doll. Nick I honestly just kind of thought, and again I enjoyed him. I did watch him twice, but they it was the same performance every time. They just like Bree looks up, Chris looks down. They stand about six inches apart. You don't really move, there's almost no energy, and they just like sing like they're falling in love.
And that was like that was like their stick right and it worked like it was you know, it was fine, But I guess I couldn't really tell a difference. It was all kind of the same to me, which also it was good. It was you know, it was watching them and I and then when when they won and watching them drive off, I thought part of me thought, I hope they're together forever. I feel like they will never have sex and that'll be fine, and they'll just sing at each other and be in love and like
be so happy and that'll be fine. Like the Burton Ernie treatment. Nothing wrong with that. Separate canes. Um I love Lucy style. Uh. Something we did not mention about her, which I think is important to things. One is um that when they were announcing the judges, one of whom was Tay Diggs, which we didn't bring up. We brought the other judges up, but I didn't Diggs with with jewel and when Chris, yeah, I'm started ahead. How Chris said, he know you say it? You know, I don't know
what you're gonna say. Please go um no, I'm gonna let you do it anyway. Diggs, who's so freaking hot, he's gorgeous, um covered in Foedora's like not enough. It's like how there's a toilet paper shortage. Anywhere Tate Diggs goes for, doors are sold out, like he just says, every single one in his possession. But the way that she clapped when they introduced Rita Wilson, I didn't think that the contestants knew any of the judges. They were like,
lived in a van? Who like the second he goes she lived in a van, I was like, oh it's Juel. They were like, what she lives in a van? And then when they brought they were like okay. But the ways that um that she clapped, that free clapped, which I posted on Instagram, I have other than Brandon Fraser, had never seen anyone clap like this. I know this isn't a visual podcast, but it was like a wide fingered seal. Did you see how she clapped? Are we not telling children how to clap. Do gen Zers not
know how to properly clap? Is my question? I think jen Zeers might not know how to up. Okay, that's my whole thing. I actually didn't even know they sung two songs, that's how boring they were. And I think by the time the show was done, I was so checked out, truly, like sleeping Elmo eyes, good night and good luck, Like I just stop points in a care and I agree with you are and they'll never sleep together, no kids will magically appear. I'm going to live a
wonderful life. You think you think they're going to get at it? No, I mean this. You guys are probably right. I think Chris is who we saw, but I'm not totally convinced that. Like listen, I don't think it's true. But if someone like said, by the way, breathe a closet freak, I would have no problem believing that I would be happy make up the makeup. I was actually watching and going, well, they don't even get makeup at
the finale, like they makeup. I just I just had a former former Mormon on my podcast, Call Me Up, who got married at nineteen and has been married for seven years. And she is like, I need to like have sex with other men, like in No Shame, but like there's a there's a closet, like I've I've left the church and and now I need to live baby, and uh so I hope that's coming. I would be so happy for her. I don't sing. I don't see
that in Chris. I don't see that in Chris. I think he's always I think he kind of sings and has sex and like kind of does everything at the exact same speed. Alright, it's going to be very gentlemanly, very very sweet, very sweet high notes. You know he'll do Oh my god, that was the thing. It was also like after Trevor tried to falsetto, which was fine, but then like when Chris did it, it's like it was sort of I will say, it was definitely like, Okay, this is how it's done. I mean it was his
voice is so beautiful. I mean, overall, I have to say I did end up enjoying the show. I know, Michelle, you didn't like it. I I felt that I'm glad it wasn't a twelve week show. I enjoy it as a six week show and as a one night, two hour show, not on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Like they lacked anchors, like familiar faces, and it was like it took too long to kind of get invested in the characters. And
then you know, no one fought like there was. They're all like the Natasha was the big villain and it wasn't even it wasn't again, it seemed forced, like it's a strange girl walks in and be like, I know a girl who knows you, who said some things I can't totally like, but like, fuck it, you know I'm not. It's like, Okay, that seems weird, but yeah, it was small. Um, we're gonna take a break. We'll come back. We'll do our tweeter of the week, but the bones Zone. Let's
get in the bone zone, guys, and we're back. You guys, what a journey we've all been on. What a joy? Nick? Did you enjoy the show? Overall? I thought it was fine. I mean, I know it A ton of people didn't watch it. It was it was a bachelor show, and bachelor shows are I don't think they were great, but I honestly it was one of those things where like if I think everyone's streaming now like that it actually
came out, and I think at a bad time. I think people are not kind of you know, everyone's schedules different. They're not like setting their dial to watch uh and you know the water cooler talk going to work and like talking about it. Like if I think if Listen to Your Heart was on Netflix, it would have killed because it would have been like, oh, a reality TV show that I can stream bam, like everyone would have watched it right, like, um, I don't think too hot
to handle it. I didn't finish was like that amazing, but it was like why not, I have nothing better to do and I can just stream it all. So I thought it was a totally fun show. I wasn't the best Bachlor show I've ever seen, but like, I didn't have a hard time watching it, that's for sure. I enjoyed it once. I liked it once the music got started, and particularly when we had Rudy and Matt and when Natasha and Ryan were there. I thought it was fun to see the music. Cart I enjoyed the music.
It was my favorite part. And I'm someone who doesn't watch a lot of those shows, you know, but I watch it again. I talked me into liking it just now. I was really like, whatever I mean, it just said some stuff and I was like, yeah, it was better than Too Hot to Handle. Wait a minute, thanks Nick, No, no problem. It was I think there's a level of expectation, like it was one of those things in Bachelor Nation. Um, they put out great TV. There's a certain level of quality, expectation.
They tried something new. People are resistant to change. It was like staying in your lane. You guys don't do music, you do love right, and so you know, I think there's a little bit of resistant and then you don't have a ton of people who are like, you know what funk it? I don't need to watch this, you know, like I'll watch Too Hot to Handle. It's on Netflix.
I'm like, I'm not. I don't like, I'm I don't need to make sure I dv are too Hot to Handle, and I certainly don't need to make sure I'm sit in front of my couch at eight p m. Eastern you know kind of thing, right, And it was like there was also like no characters, no anchor, like if they if Jed wasn't inter like if they got Jed to show up on that show, like everyone would have been like, oh, let's let's see how this could go, right,
there was no like curiosity. It was all these new people and it was kind of funny to like hear Matt not to know who Curis Harrison is. But quite honestly, Chris Harrison is the man, and we want people to know who Chris Harrison is. We want people to come on being like oh my god, like I'm losing my mind, and like, you know, Matt was like two level headed um, which is it makes them a nice guy, but you know,
maybe not the most compelling TV. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like eventually once we got rolling we started, I did start to enjoy it. And I did enjoy the I liked the music. I did like that. I would watch it again, think it comes back, I would, I would totally. I'm really curious because I don't think the ratings did well enough to suggest they would pick up again. But it's also one of those things like how was it reviewed? Like it's something it's a weird time to measures, like
how it's how do you measure this? All network televisions down? So um, I don't know it'd be interesting, but yes I did not. I did not feel like it was a chore to watch. No me neither. I didn't love the first ones, but then it got going in once the music got more involved, I thought it was really fun. Um, will you guys help us pick a tweet of the week? Okay? Our first tweets from Lauren Gene Johnson at World Words by l j Um. Making music with you and getting
to know you would have been so incredible, Bro. That is literally the show you could have just done one more time, just like a couple more days. And then she has an Obama photo. There we go. Number two, Cheyenne Constant at Turxy Firecracker. If they have not found thirty men for clear by now, it might be time to throw in the towel and put in a good word for her. At Love is Blind, she would do
well there. I feel like Jesse Lizzie at Jesse Lizzie Raps, Matt is clearly here for the right reasons and it's lame as fun like that. That's kind of a meta tweet, Um, Jessey Lizzie. Here's another one at Jessy Lizzie Raps. So they basically just smashed two reality shows together that have nothing to do with each other, American Idol and The Bachelor. What's next Drag storage Wars? And then somebody replied, I'd rather watch that they need for those gowns. That's like
you're talking month drag storage Wars. Or if you have to make your outfit from the ship that you find in the storage unit, like you get you buy the container and then you have to make your persona out of what you get there, and then you will like you're like poppies. Will um, let's see Aaron at this is? This one is Aaron watching Rita Wilson leaning in to talk to the other judges. Knowing this was filmed on
February is almost as cringe e is hearing. Chris Harrison confirmed for Caitlin that he did give the couples permission to funk last night. Um okay. And then the last one, Aaron. This one is Aaron Brie and Chris. Your performances was great, and you guys are objectively better singers. But unless we can confirm that you have had sexual intercourse, we just don't feel comfortable letting you win this singing competition. All right, I'm going to go with um. I'm gonna go with
narrowing it down to two. Um, I'm gonna narrow it down to two. I will say Jessey Lizzy at Jessy Lizzie Raps. Matt is clearly here for the right reasons and it's lame as fuck, And I'm gonna go. Should we do Love Is Blind? Or Storage Words? Which one? For number two? Shows just funny? Okay, storage is funny, but it's the rebuttal that makes it funny. Okay, So then we'll do We'll do these together. This is a duo, so she's going up against herself, Jessy Lizzie Jessy Lizzie Raps.
So they basically just smashed two reality shows that have nothing to do with each other together, American Idol and The Bachelor. What's next Drag Storage Wars and air Recas replied, I'd rather watch that Drag Storage Wars or UM Drag Storage Wars or here for the right reasons. Lame is fuck next here for the right reasons, lame is fuck. Okay, I'm gonna let Michelle be the final picker. I'll do Drag Storage Wars. Anna, I'm gonna go with lame as fuck, Okay,
Katie Lamb is fuck or drag Storage warsames fuck. Al Right, well, then what would you have picked, Michelle? Well, I guess my vote is completely meaningless now that I'm going lost. But let's just let's find O Lezzie, Jessie, Lizzie Wins Edges, and Lizzie raps. Matt is clearly here for the right reasons and as lame as fuck. You guys can like us on iTunes and leave us a review. Here's some great reviews. There were so many awesome reviews last week.
I asked for reviews, and I asked you to put them in words, and I said I would read them. And you know what, I'm gonna honor that commitment and hang tight. Buckle up, Buttercup, because you guys, you a few of you left him, and we love it. We are here for it. We want greedy little more and more and more. We love it. So here we go. Our first one that I'm gonna read is uh from
Nicki Bethy eighties seven New Listener Alert, five stars. Hey Hardon, I started listening this week after hearing your recap on the viral files. You're so funny, so I just had to check you out well. Thank you so much. You are hysterical and I cannot wait until next week. I think Matt and Rudy will win, but break up when the tour starts. Also on Jamie must be someone's niece. She can't not be with the airtime she is getting. I'm gonna catch up on your one Pablo season because
that is the craziest season. Also agreeing you should start recapping Bravo shows Below Deck med and Sailing Yacht is a personal favorite of mine and my husband's. Keep up the amazing work. Your podcast is gonna be uh definitely be a week weekly. Listen, NICKI bet the eight seven. Welcome to the Fold. We're so glad you're here, and thank you so much for leaving us a review. We also have five stars. Love Love Love, Hey guess what Tanna. This is from Tanna one oh four. I love this podcast.
Whenever I'm having a down day, I think about the episode when Arden impersonates Peter when he clearly got his infected wound bonked by Sydney. It never fails to make me laugh. Also, my real name is Tanna, and every time Tanna is on the podcast, I feel extra special. You go Tanna represent us crazy as well. Tanna, how does that make you feel? A Tanna sister out there that is so good? And she's site that year, the one representing her. So Tanna in the house, shout out
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Let's see, my wife brought me into the Bachelor fold and this podcast keeps me here even after the infuriating Peter season or the snooze festive ari. I like that Arden and the Gang are one of my highlights of my week and the only Bachelor podcast I listened to. Well, Doug, thank you so much for listening. We have two more. This is five stars. The reason I watched Bachelor. This is from mks Gal eighty nine. This podcast might be
the reason I watched the Bachelor. Now, I take so much pride when I hear you in the Gay saying Gang say something that I said to U. Well, I love all the guests and Art, and Jerry Traynor has become my favorite reluctant candidate to listen to. His points of views are spot on. Well, you'll be happy to know he will be back next week breaking down Wan Pablo season with us, and we'll see if he's still on board with Wan Pablo An Katie, What a joy
is Jerry Traynor. I just mailed him a Rookie of the Year t shirt and he's been wearing it with pride. How don't you love Jerry's great love How into it he is? Yes, so for someone new, he really just fell in love with this. I feel like we might have to have like a rookie rookie show when they do that, we may have to have like um, Beverly D'Angelo and Jerry on or for Debbie and Jerry on an episode together, which would be fun our former rookies all right. And finally five Stars Love Art and on
the Team by Mandy is Dandy. I can't get enough of the Bachelor, and I'm so glad that I stumbled across this podcast. Everyone cracks me up and I constantly find myself laughing, either uncontrollably or in dis to leave. I love art and so much. I never thought to watch Insasteable until I listened to this podcast. I've been to both seasons in a week. I want a petition to get it back. Please do point of all this, Everything Art and Touches is gold or roses or just
hilarious and heartwarming. Thank you for everything you all do, Manny. That makes me feel so g happy. That warms the cockles of my heart. Thank you so much. It really means a lot to me. And that's why we do this, don't We have the best listeners. I say that every week, and I know it sounds by rope, but like it really means a lot, particularly in quarantine. It's like it's so sweet just to have strangers reached out. It's nice that it it touches people's days. I think they're great.
They are the funniest listen. We have the most fun listeners, really, Cassion. Here's an email that we got, uh and this this one makes me so happy. This one reminds me of j J. This is from t R Proper. I'm sad to say that it took me. The subject line is new fan. I'm sad to say it took me until about halfway through Peter's season before I just ever discovered your podcast, And when I did, I loved it so much.
I started listening every week, thinking what have I been listening? Honestly, your podcast adds a whole new dynamic and level of fun to watching The Bachelor. I started waiting anxiously to watch each new episode and then listen to your podcasts as soon as it was posted. Your show is so fun. I love all the people you bring on, and I laughed so much. This is what really wore my heart.
I'm a single mom, empty nest of all daughters, and we all have big personality, so I'm used to having a lot of fun filled, hilarious conversations every day of life until all my kids grew up and moved away. So when the Quarantine started and you started reviewing one poblost the season, I thought why not? I'm now isolated at home anyway, So I watched the whole season and I can't wait until you go back to it. It feels like having a friend over to visit, and that
conversation and laughter fills my living room once again. I temporary stopped listening to the podcast when you changed over to listen to your Heart. She wasn't interested. Spoiler alert, that was a mistake. Anyway. Over tonight, I decided to listen into your latest podcast, even though I hadn't watched. It was the one with Nicky Glazier, Happy Happy, Busy Busy a K give yourself a p P L O L. I missed your podcast so much that I decided listen that I decided to listen even when I didn't watch.
The show would be fun, and you didn't disappoint. I didn't even know the people you were talking about, and I just laughed and had so much fun. Now you can vince me to go back and watch Listen to your Heart so I can listen to all the podcasts I miss L O L. I just wanted to show you've made my empty this quarantine time a lot more fun tr proper that warms my heart. Welcome and honey Bunny, welcome to the crazy train. We are so glad you're we're all in this together. Honey Anna, How sweet is that?
That was really nice. It's so nice. She sounds like a great mom. I bet your daughters love you. You sound like a blast. So anybody out there that's all by themselves or you know that needs a laugh, thank you so much. And again, you can email us at Rose Podcast at gmail dot com. Nick. Where can people find you? What would you like to promote? You? Just find me on Instagram at Nick Baile or check me out on the Vile Files that anywhere you can find
a podcast, Miss Michelle. Um, you can follow me on Instagram at mischall and Wednesday nights, I'm hosting for Lifetime these Married at First Sight chats on their Instagram live. So I'm very excited because I love Married at First Sight. I don't know if you guys watch, but it's do you watch it art? No? But I've show up my alley the best. I'm not saying that because they're paying me. In fact, I think they're paying me because they've said that,
to be honest. So that's starting. I'm going to write back yeah Wednesday after remind mysel it's starting at nine, So you can go to their instagram and watch. That's on Lifetime. Okay, Um, you guys can follow me on Instagram at Arta marine A R D N M Y R I N. Pre order my book Little Miss Little Content available wherever books are sold if you email in your receipt to Rose Podcast at gmail dot com. We're gonna be giving some book giveaways of signed copies of
the book, a bunch of T shirts and whatnot. And next week we're gonna be going back to the breaking down the Wan Pablo episodes, so you can check in on that. Anna, Katie, where can they find you? I'm Katie Underscore Money and I know we mentioned having a guest host from our listeners. We've decided to do it. We're gonna have you guys break down one of the episodes when they do the ten episodes where they do all in one night. We'll have guest listeners that we
will pick. So submit yourselves. You're gonna break down the Wan Pablo episode with us. So that's what we're gonna do and that'll be fun. I know. Um okay you guys. Nick Michelle, thank you so much for closing up the season with us. Nick, it's welcome to the podcast. It was such a joy to have you here. Thank you so much for having me. This is first time. Yes, I thought you guys would be a fun combo head her on twice before she asked me, well I got shy.
I had got shy fine though the first time I had around then like COVID like hit like right after you were like the last person I saw except on my own I saw you, and then I did my podcast here and I saw Paget Brewster and Rob Benedict and that, and then that was like you're the second batch of the last people I saw. That was scared for me because I got coronavirus and immediately saw patget Brewster. That's so weird, like the odds of that. Well, I had the virus, but I did not see Paget Brewster.
And also I remember you were saying that you thought you had it. I got it from Andy Cohen on March eleventh. But we can move on that. I mean, at least maybe have the anybody. So that's good the best way to get it. I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm pretty sure I had it. I didn't take a test, and I took the end of body test and tested negative. But then I was told that that doesn't mean that doesn't mean I didn't have it, so I don't know. Guys, what a world? What a world?
Hide in your houses and just watch garb garbage. Um you guys, stay safe. Thank you so much for doing it. We appreciate you. Please come back, thank you. Oh yeah, I want to get all up and get to night. It feels so good. I just got wonder the bishops. When you this role, this roles to your words, This rose into your word. Will you accept this rose? Is
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