"Middleditch in Paradise" With Thomas Middleditch

Are all? M m? You accept this ruse? Oh my god, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a special episode of Will You Accept This Rose? I am Arta Marine and my co host Erin Foley. Who she's she's she's on a revolution. She's aeron on the revolution, doing something somewhere. But we love her. But I have with me. First of all, we're waiting for Thomas middle Ditch, star of Silicon Valley. He should be here shortly, but we wanted to get

on before he got here. I'm here with my two producers, the head of the Whole Nervous Podcast syndication syndicate, Katie Levine is and how and of course are the creator of the beautiful artwork that you see, the very elegant artwork that you see every week, the artwork I want to call you. Pronounce your last name correctly for me. Anna hosts n A. Oh my god. Well, okay, I just need to address this. I feel like I feel like not since nick Vale was came back for Caitlin

has there been such such anticipation scam Dondal's rumors. Where is the secret episode for will you accept this Rose? Where is it? We want Christian first of all fans out there, Can I just tell you we feel the exact same way. Um, we recorded an episode and it's just saying Katie and Anna, we're here. Um, and Pagrick Brewster was here, and and and Rob was here, Rob Benedict and Aaron Foley. And I don't think it's an exaggeration when I say it was the best hour of

my life. I mean, have you ever seen me in such a frenzy? You you're like just screaming, screaming. Aristotle who was recording right now, so he was downstairs last because we recorded Meltdown Comics, and he said that he was down in the store of Meltdown and here, just me screaming. I mean, here's the thing. Because we recorded it, we tried to behave I guess we went into deep

like Barbara Walters. I don't know, but ABC is like ghosting us, like we had to like get permission, and ABC is just like ghost these Maybe I honestly, I feel like I got all of you listeners out there the great like I went to Europe and I like I got like the greatest present for you, and I almost got it on the plane and then customs like boarders stop me, and I was like, I can't if still might come out. We don't know yet, we don't

know what I mean. We're trying to come on. ABC, were trying to be we love like, we're not trying to We don't want spoilers. I swear I don't go on the websites where the spoilers are because I don't. We weren't. We don't want to know, we don't want to know. We don't want to know, and so so ABC, if you're listening, please let us here it please. I didn't even think it was that bad. No, let's just talk for a second before. First of all, how he

was Christian bishop adorable good, he smell good. He was his face was so handsome and his I've never I felt his bicep and I felt it was like it was like I could do pull ups on it. It was the manly He was the man I hang out with guys on like Batman T shirts Like this is the manly achievement. Wasn't he beautiful? He was gorgeous. He gave me faith in man again. I was like, Wow, he was beautiful and he so sweet. And I would say, like,

what was fun? I know that. I feel like we were investigative reporters, and so we're gonna have to come and we're gonna report you a little right now what we found out like without as I think the takeaway was I think we were touched by as he discussed the guys in the house, the level of the deep, true bond of friendship that these guys have. I was surprised at that. No, I do you think the women

get the same sort of friendship? I'm thinking No, I think the women all secretly, I think some of them do get along, but the men, they really get a ball. It's like a fat house. Yeah. Well, and he was saying, and this is no spoiler. Like if you watch on reel or something like, you see that they're basically sequestered. You see, they don't have phones with them, they don't have magazines, there's no TV on, so so like, if you think about it, for anyone, can't they just watch TV?

Though I don't get that. I don't know. I think they want to make them. I think it might be like to get them. So they're so vulnerable that they'll apparently they get asked about their feelings a lot all day and so like they're a little more open and they're bonding with each other. So like I think particularly those are some pretty manly dudes that are in there. They probably are talking about their feelings way more than they were did with like the guy on their football

team in high school. You know, but that was it was. I was touched by their level of friendship. Yeah, I was till how much they really seem to like each other and they face time each other, They faced each other friend either. You know, we're not allowed to say anything, but yeah we might have. We might have been nodding and FaceTime somebody, but we're not gonna say you And it might have been like the greatest moment of my life. UM, I'm just gonna do some just some housekeeping up top.

By the way, we love getting your emails and I'm going to read a few that we've gotten and Rose podcast at gmail dot com. I gotta tell you, I'm loving we've been getting tweets from people in Sweden. I We've been people like, let's keep reaching out. We will read them on the air. Here. Okay, this was um from uh Andrea Johnson. She emailed and we read hers last week on the air. I'll throw down. We asked if we thought the the thing with Evan and Chad, if he fronted Chad in the yea, so, she said,

we didn't see it. She said, without looking at the instant replay. I definitely think Evan put himself in the awkward position of getting his shirt ripped. I don't think he pushed Chad, but he should have led him out of the aisle first. Okay, you know when Chad could have attacked him out on the stairs. Yeah, you definitely want you definitely want some back up. I think he

was gonna attack him no matter what. And I think Evan because I didn't see a push either, But I think Evan was being a little more like, hey, man, get out of my way. He's such a tool. He's been such with his head band. Well, I I wouldn't rewatch the footage, and they just kind of have like a weird, awkward like little dance, just like awkward anything. And I get I would imagine that there are adrenaline pumping Chad may or may not be on some substance,

so there's extra adrenaline. Definitely should have waited for Chad to get out. Yeah, you don't want to pop the chair. He tells you don't puck the Chad bear, and he keeps poking the Chad bear, and like, what do you think is going to happen when you poked the Chad bear? Especially after that, like just don't go near him by the way somewhere else, you know, so don't hide behind the other men. The men put it that way, I

had exactly. That was mean, that was all right, That was a but alright, um, And then we have from Katie Farrell emailed in high Art and and Arran, I love the podcast. In your commentary on the show this season, thank you so much. She wrote it to share her her group's bachelor choices. She won the draft last year, so her husband, her cousin and their husband play and her husband's name is the jerk on the sheet and apparently she says that he has tear. Let's he with

a jerk pick the jerk pick. So they only do it like we did it with Paget via photos. They picked Robbie, Derek and Vinny. I don't even know who any of them are, like me or whatever. But he's got a crazy bad hair. He's a hairdresser, but he's got the bad and then uh, Robbie Derek. Oh, Derek

has the really pretty blue eyes. They went to say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him, but he's the one that chat even though he did, but he didn't even do anything the Chad to warrant that I was like everyone else to be in so much more of an asshole to Chad. And then Robbie's the swimmer who was like we know nothing about yeah, oh yeah, he was a swimmer that put put jojo on the thing in a way that Paget liked. But I I would have been happy to have somebody do that to me,

just not Robbie the swimmer. Um. Some of the tweets we got. D Williams emailed, I'm totally using Life's not all blueberries and paper planes in my everyday like winning doubt. That's our ted talk for you guys out here. This is our service to when you panic and if you're in a meeting, you're in a board meeting, some job interview, and you don't know what to say, just pull the frizzed Life's not all blueberries and paper planes out and you can guarantee yourself the spot at the board table.

And then we got Um. Then we got from Alison forgive me if I mispronounced your name, Alison Schrod and rock Um, I believe in Santa again. And this is people and that is what we want to talk about with Um, with Thomas when he comes the I mean I cannot wait to talk about Bachelor in Paradise lineup. I mean when that hit that that hit the internet yesterday, I got excited. I felt crazy again. Can we talk about a little bit right now? I mean, because why the fund is chat on there? I mean, are they

trying to endanger everyone? That's the thing. That's the thing. It's like chat It's gonna be great for television, but terrifying for those humans. Wasn't surprised, but I was kind of also like is it a good But that's the thing is like ABC, you're gonna roll the dice and send chat to Mexico, but you won't let us air our like Little Bachelor podcast. I think that's more of

a roll of the dice. You're sitting in Mexico, like when he's gonna have like Mexican steroids, like who knows what they're gonna be, like next to an ocean where you could easily drown you out when there was gonna be a torso was in the pool arms and legs like when he's like all of pharmacy of porf bevore, like you better run to go screaming for the hills. We got um. Debbie Wiseman. Debbie Wiseman was excited about Chad being in Uh, We're going to bout for paradise.

She said, I'm eating cold cuts and raw yams and celebration. He's gonna like kill a crab and eat it on the beach, like he's gonna be like that raccoon if that raccoon comes back from last season. I looked at his instagram. Please I saw all that stuff. Yeah, and apparently it's a sweet potato. It's not a gam that's the same thing. It's the same thing, it's a little different. I thought Google, I thought you were vegan. You might we google up aria sweet potato the same thing. Now

you're just the game. Now you've watched every season. Nikki Saint g was asking, I was just daydreaming about this, picking a previous female contestant to match with Evan. Maybe Mackenzie from Chris's season. Oh yeah, she was a weirdo. We we just had one. We just had a yeam and swee potato are the same thing. She was um. She was the one that really liked Aliens and they

went to Oh my god, where did they go? They went to the s cond in downtown and it was like, really weird because I go there a lot, and it's just like, why the fun this bar? It was very confusing, you guys. I just want to and I want to give a shout out to our special listener Maria Carlson in Sweden. She said, I just accepted your rose from Sweden. I'm obsessed with the franchise, but have no one to talk to because she's in Sweden. I follow it live, I'm with the pods and whatever, but I have no

one to talk to about the trauma. So I'm thankful I discovered your pod, So like, thanks for being a friend. You're welcome. It is our pleasure that we have a listener in Sweden. It is such a joy, guys. I mean, here's the thing. It's like, I'm sorry that I feel like I feel like I let down our listeners. But I will say this if if you're anticipation, if it makes you feel any better, It's truly was the greatest hour of my I mean it was. It was like

we caught Santa Claus, you know what I mean. Like I felt like we caught Santa Claus and got to grill. There was like five of us in the lineup because Rob was supposed to leave and Rob just decided to stay. He was like I'm staying, and like Paget was crouching on some weird non chair chair. We dog, we dog basically somebody's like iPod Mike out like to try to like get it off for everybody because we all couldn't believe that we had a true celebrity in our myths,

and that celebrity was Christian Bishop, newly eliminated bachelor. He was so cute, he was so cute. Alright, alright, ladies, also the real quick to believe. I don't think she and Jared could make a good couple. I think so if she chills out, I think I want to talk to about with Thomas. I want to talk. This is all taught to I don't know, I don't want to.

I know we love the Jews. I love Jubilee. She's gonna look hot, and because you need to and then who else there's someone else that I was like excited that we gotta save it. We gotta save it, we gotta save it. All right, we'll be right back you guys. Oh yes, this ruse. Will you accept this ruse? Dude? Oh my god, will do you accept this rose? This

is our marine. I am so excited. Um, we booked this a while ago and uh, we didn't know it wasn't going to be an episode a week where there was a showing and uh, we were so happy to have you or like we gotta record anyway, A and lo and behold. Last night, the announced The Bachelor in podcast The Bachelor in Paradise cast sitting with me right

here at the Star of Silicon Valley, Thomas Middle. Oh my god, you're probably best known as your work as a huge Bachelor fan though, right, yeah, yeah, it was my with my blog posts. Oh my god. Now, because I was reading People Magazine as I do and as I want to do, and I saw that you said somewhere that you like that you your secret guilty pleasure is the Bachelor. I do like The Bachelor. Now. I

I started watching. I haven't watched it for the twenty years or what I started last year, and I've become now I have a podcast. I started at Caitlin season. This is my third one ever. Okay, well I'm I'm not too much more. I guess I think I started. I watched I started to watching Desires season as a joke as way to court my now wife. Yes, hey, this is fun yet and I remember the song they

had to sing, like right, reasons right? They made him sing a rab It was yes, yes, So I had a good laugh and then and then we got back very much in earnest for Prince Farming's I missed that. I missed that because I because I am from what I hear because it again now I'm been so hard. Now I've been so hard that I actually have a podcast about it. Came to me to Fever dream Times. I was like, I need to have I need to be able to talk to this about with like minded people.

But I know exactly what because I watched But like, so I hear from what I hear from what, Like what my grandma told me about the farmer of Laura. I heard that was like the girls were all into him. He was really hot. And then they all went to this town and I had like one stoplight and you could see a lot of them wanted to kill themselves. Is that true? Yeah? What's it called something? Uh? What was it called the town? Oh? Aristotle? What we look

at Aristotle? It shares a name with something else, but it's not that other thing. Yeah, it's a It was a bummer. But you know he's a great example well that particular moment, sure example of like, so you meet these people, especially on the first night they have come out the limo. Yeah, well they're all attractive. They really have trouble meeting people. There's there's lamenting about how single they are. And he was a great example of like,

oh that's all, yeah, your stuck population two D farmtown. Well, I'm going to be honest, not not near the not Arlington, Virginia. Arley was in Arlington, Texas. Isn't that where hills from? This King of the hill a right, so this is Arlington, Iowa. Um that is well, I'll tell you when I okay, I'm going to confess I didn't watch The Bachelor, but I might have been the only human. And may I recommend this to you and your bride if you enjoy a good dating show. I somehow watched three seasons on

the CMT, the Country the Country Music Channel. It was, um, it was Sweet Home Alabama. Um, it was twelve city guys in twelve country guys competing for the heart of a cowgirl. And so basically they would cast like the worst like sort of the biggest dirtbags from Jersey Shore. But then they've have like these real hot, lonely farmers who were like legit coming on from like Arlington's got an angle? That show sounds like it has an angle.

Oh my god, it was brilliant. It was so then I came in last year with Caitlin kind of as like I came in, somebody told me you need to watch it. So I watched it and then I was mesmerized. I'm like between Tony the Healer, who was like and then with the Chad and Chad and no not Chad, no, no, no, no, the Clint and j J J. Now, do you do Bachelor in Paradise as well? Yes, that's almost the best one because the editor. I don't know. I don't know because I don't have this. I don't have the database,

the log of Bachelor's and stuff in my mind. But it feels like in the past X amount of years, a few four years essentially since I started watching this show has become more of a cultural touchdown now. That just could be because I'm into it and now like one of Bachelor Nation, I suppose, which is so sad to say. Well, I don't know. I don't know if it's if it's considered among the bachelor heads to be like in its golden years now, but it's just I mean,

I don't know. The show is incredible. It's what a masterclass of producing and manipulation, terrible thing. Do you watch Unreal as well? No? Everybody says that, you know, Okay, talk why everyone says that, I say, this is why I like it, and they go, you should watch unreal. No, I want real people, yeah, suffering, and like that's I'm sure it's a very well written show. I'm sure it's very well executed. I'm sure it's a great show. That's not why I like The Bachelor. I like The Bachelor

because I want to see the people fail. I want to see them cry, and I want to see them convince themselves they're in love having met the person for only like a total of twenty minutes. Well here's that's

the thing that's amazing about Chad. And I'm just pulling up to what's amazing about Chad was like early on, before he before we realized he actually was like before you said the torsos in the pool without the arms and the legs, like before he got to that level of Chad, Like what he was saying was real was like the Sports Center, It's like, bro, you live this long, you can't wait twenty four more hours? Like you didn't know?

How do you know? I don't know if I love it, like he's saying, it's all the stuff that I was that I think when I watched the show. It's like they've met the person for no time and then they're talking. Head is like I feel like she could be the one, and like I'm in love. I want to lose. What are you talking about? You're you're emotionally unstable. Yeah, yes,

you're in insane person if you say that. But it's also like, so I knew somebody who used to work as a producer there, and she said, you have a few. You have the people who want to be entreated. She is real into s and l like but you, she said, you also have the people who really believe in like fate.

So it's like that weird like this is meant to be and they believe like, no, this is destinate, like this is the This was like that that sense that there are people that I feel like Luke has that I feel like Luke this season the Marine, He's got a little bit of destinate. God bless him, bless him. Yes, there's there's that. You know. I also ran into and you know him because he was on Caitlin season. I ran into Nick. But tell me tell me at a at a at a bar watching some bands. No, this

was not even a bench. I was just at a bar, he hangs out with comedian. Sometimes he's friends with someone like he's friends with like yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe that was not the connective tissue. I think he was just there and he actually hit on my And I was like, yes, you would have given her a free pass. If the Cranberries are playing and you were in a church in Ireland, she could have like at least dry humped him, like at some church that Oh my god that he and

so I quickly let that slow. I had no big deal, and I said, hey, love with me. You probably get this question all the time. It's probably so annoying, like how real is it? Like what am I seeing? Im I seeing just puppetry? Am I seeing clever? Editing? You watched the show me like they used me, interviews me and spat me out. And he was like, well, obviously there's editing. Obviously there's some writing there like kind of feeding you a few things to say in the talking head.

But pretty much like in terms of personalities, what you see is what you get, like you kind of get to see, and that includes people who think they're like outsmarting the game, like you see that element, right, No one's nobody, nobody's that smart that they can just like pull them on over on all of everybody who smells that stuff a mile away. Well, it was interesting. But so we had Christian Bishop on who ABC is not letting us air it, but this was Christian. We had

him on last week. He was adorable, He was so sweet. What was interesting he was talking about He was saying that a certain point, at first it is weird to be in front of the cameras goes, but at a certain point, the weirder factor you get used to the cameras, you sort of be a friend the guys. The weirder factor is that. And he kept calling her Joe, Well not Joe, Joe, he goes, he goes. Joel's a celebrity.

So it's more that a celebrity has entered the room and that changes the dynamics more that like, which is interesting that you have this like celebrity coming in and that everybody wants to impress the celebrity. Yeah, that makes sense. Were used a star struck when you met Nick not starting. I have been the most bizarrely star struck when I've met reality TV starts. I remember I went crazy when I met this guy Harold who was this season one Top Chef winner. Oh my god. I was like, Harold,

I met your restaurant. I love your food. You know what I meant? I met a top chef. I met one of the voltage O brothers, and I couldn't have been weirder about it. Was like, oh my god, you're the bad boys, Jeff, You're the bad boy who was a can enable of top Jeff of course, of course, but I was pretty composed around. I had one. I had one on him at this point. A he hit on my wife? What did he do? What? I think? I think he was just it wasn't untoward. He just

it's as a guy wants to do. I don't think. And he made a move. I don't even know if we were married at that point, if we had rings, and how did he hit? What did he He was just like, I don't know. I think he just he was like, what's up? And yeah, he had to be like, I'm sorry, I'm with that guy. That's fine. I've done that. You know. If I'm single, I'm out on the outs. I'm hitting on anything that looks at me. Absolutely, Oh my god, I know. I when I met Thomas. I

met Thomas years ago. We didn't prop together at YouTube were many strange We did a lot of Stephen Reddy shows. It was like you, Me and Scott Scott adds it and a gun. There was always like a pistol. It was a pistol, but then he was trying to do it. Was like we did grab a water but then there was one he was trying to do. That was like if a pistol was introduced in the It was like three of us. It was like you me, it may even Tammy Sager and Scott adds it. And I remember

doing some bizarre like gothic. I don't know that's a rule. It's in the Checkovs checkofs Checkov's gun. I think I think we might have done checkops. We did a few of those together. Um, but you were not married, but now you're married and she got you into the bed. When I saw The Bachelor, I was like how I honestly thought, I was like, who the still watches that? Who? Who gives up that many? It's the greatest thing? Do

you feel crazy when you watch it? Like you need to talk about So this last week, these two hour the Chad, I had a friend recently point out one exciting thing because because that cut of him with this finger going down after he's whistled through the woods, my friend pointed out that they had actually been like helicopter lifted to that hiking site with the machete in the act when he walked all the way to I don't know what. Here's the thing. Yeah, I think it's important

to not trust the Bachelor. Yeah, like the show because it's from from like the previews of what's to come to They trick you all the time, make you think that there was a fight in the pool that didn't happen at all, or like last season when Ben, like with all the spoilers, they made it seem like he changed his mind. Like with the phone call, they made it seem like like yes said yes, like one no

to one and then changed his mind. Actually, as to the brilliant because as much as they're manipulating the people in the show, they're also manipulating us. Like there's psychopaths, so people run that show are not from this world.

It's amazing and we fall into it. So I think, you know, like what we're going to see, what I guess next week is probably not as intense as what they want to like I forgot I forgot some of my protein shaps, and he probably didn't because, like you know, last season when they left old and shivering, there's no

way that they did because there's a camera there. And what's the really awkward part is you know they're going to be like, okay, sweetie, just so just stand there, Uh if you can look sad, you know, I'm sure you aren't. God, I feel so sorry, So I feel for you, right, just if you can hold that look because we're just gonna get a called because they had to do a helicopter and they had a blow hole. There was like blowholes coming up. It was incredible. It

was incredible. So she just got dumped embarrassed on television. Now she's cold the reality of that. And also with the Prince farming when the Ashley Gut was crying in the desert, like there's that's actually there's you can tell it's there's a CG shot and you're like, well, I can tell their orchestrating. Was that the one that was they left her in bad Lands? Is that the one I missed the bad Lands? I've heard about it obviously. Now I wrote all about the bad lands. They just

they're they're tricky and I got it. I love those moments that the when you really sort of think about the reality of that. So there's camera, there's a crew left on the beach. There's a crew following Chad through the through the force. Apparently maybe he's by the way, but by the way, I think they put like a night filter on, and he must They must have whistled once and then they put it on loo like Robert Durst with the Jinks and his burbank. They put that

amazing whistle on. Incredible. I can't wait. I want to give you a present right now. Okay, I can't believe you don't know. I'm going to reveal one by one. I wait till the mentell all or whatever to find out a couple of JC jammers. Here. These are the eleven. These are the so far half, because I know I take I take great joy in discovering when they walk down the beach. But there'll be more there only there's only two guys and now so far this is just

the first half of people announced. You're not going to be disappointed. Okay, number one, I'm gonna number one. Guess who's coming back? For more. Jared's coming back. Jared is one of those dudes that I think is he because a lot of the people in the show, they go on the show and then they kind of go back to the regular. He's doing appearances. That's the thing. Jared and Ashley together do appearances. Sure, I think so, because that's the thing. I looked at him because I'm from

I'm from Bird Island. This doesn't like Hollywood illuminatio. Hey don't see it party with Ashley if she's not crying, um, now, she's not in it, so I think because because last year she should not. What happened in that house between she and her sister, the tears, the Disney fans that is, um. They they they've got some some deep stuff going on. They've got they've got some severe emotional like anybody that needs to make up with Aladdin that badly, you know

what I mean? Like she was so locked into him being a Laddin and she's jat Okay, number two I did too at first. I liked girls, she's showing me pictures of that. I like that. Haley. Haley got tough, like once once they cut Emily and Haley was there by herself I was surprised. I felt bad for her when she went to meet Ben's mom, and Ben's mom burst into tears at the thought of her being with Haley's I don't think she's like unintelligent or something. I

think they're stunted. She's unsophisticated. Yeah, and they're a little like kids, like still in pink bedrooms kind of stuff. They think that like uh like keen wise gross, Like yeah, that like it's not it doesn't have like chocolate syrup. Right, you're right. Kids. They go crazy for candy, that's all. And as soon as they whatever, they figure that out. Hopefully at one point they do. It'll be hard in Vegas and I I do remember when they went to

their house and how I'm mortified. She was like, oh, mom, you saw the photo. My boyfriend's all over like the Of course, all the boyfriends Freuse are like kind of older shoes, and you got to be like an old guy to like be into dating one half of a child twin child. And they're like professionally because I got pretty obsessed with them. They are professional twins, Like they get hired at parties as twins. They're beautiful, they're beautiful and them along with Jojo. Actually they look so much

better without all the cover. That's the thing. Jojo is so much cuter when she's so tom boy and when she just goes snatch, but she does so much well when you look at the mom you look at their brothers and the cowl next sweaters, they're like their Texas money, Like their house is insane, their Texas money. He'll enjoy this. I went in deep on research because the brother was so awful. The brother was so awful and like when he like mouth kissed her as a greeting, like he

was such a dude. So I was like, what the who is this guy? Here's what's He's probably a guy that's like I go on the business meetings and I kill I kill people and I take the meats with my teeth and I eat the meat in front of the them. He's like Chad, well he's he. That's why I actually thought Chad was going to go farther. Then he got a little crazy. He here's what was after he was so suspicious with Ben about like you could all these women like he turns out he was the

lead on a Fox dating show. He was the bachelor. It was one that they didn't air all the episodes that Ava and Gloria produced and they had to take it off the air because she dated him, even Greia dated him. Then part of me goes, what's up with Jojo? Do you have a family with two TV Bachelor and Bachelor? That's what the fund is wrong when comes from a long line take. Okay, So then they got paid enough money to buy that house. I'm sure I bet these people give paid like a like a grand or something

like nothing. Okay, Lace, Lace, Lace is a hot mess. Man. She fine? But she she fine? Was she crazy? And here's the thing, Like Lace was like trying. I don't know if you watched After the Rose, but she was like she was on with Paul Tompkins and Padget and she was trying to like be sober, and like they kept trying to get her to say yes to going on and she's like no, no, no, I just want to take care of myself and like lo and behold, they're gonna get like four Margarite is in her as

fast as they can. They don't want sober Lace in Paradise. Lace. I wish all these people the best, I really do. Chad Chadler Chadler, the Chadler. That's great, that's awesome. Can you pat your chat and horse? This is what I This is where I guess. This is what I guess just in the question a question of human psyche, your Chad You've gotten on the show. You're kind of an intense guy, and you've perceived the reality of like all these people are attacking. I don't doubt that his version

of reality is what he truly believes is happening. Right, Um, But now you've been brought back and you know it's for the reason that you're controversial. So now do you go as a person. I'm trying to put myself in chance shoes for doing some character character. I going to the show kind of aware that, like people want to see what people want to see, Like, do I get an ego about like I'm a dick kid That's okay, man,

that's what people like. Or do I go I did not like how I came across this is my chance to redeem myself, or like I hope he doesn't. Where do you go mentally? I hope you know what? I depends on the producers, like they're a fan favorite. Yeah, Yet do they tell him it's for being a villain. It's for being the arguably one of the worst people that's ever graced the Bachelor's stage. Do they say that or is it because or just like they love you?

That sucks that you got eliminated. You pull really well, you know did they build them up? I mean he's such a great Did you know that he bought up all the web domains and routed him like he's such like what he takes the next level? He's next level? Talk about he actually could have faced off of JoJo's brothers.

He loved him, Oh my god, Like I don't know, like because what was scary about Chad was when he was talking to her, when he confess that his mom had just died and something that there was like he was charming with her at first, Yeah the mom died, Like thing, maye go oh maybe like just feel like, oh no, what we're watching is not necessarily a guy who goes in he eats meat and says I'm going to crush and kill. Is we're watching six months into like Falling Down? Right? You know this is who's in

Falling Down? Is it um Aristotle? Looking up Aristontle? It's Michael Douglas. Uh, is it like, who's in falling down? Here's the lead, who's the lead? Who's the lad? Get some cable internet man, get fiber optics. It's falling down. It's essentially a man who's had something terrible happened and he's crumbling and he's emotionally racked and he's doing this. That's hang of that. But then you're you know, that's the thing. I think it's I think you're no in

your head. I think there's so much. I think that's like, there's so there's so much of a roid. It's a roid, seems a roid nous there definitely seems like he fully admitted to he's a bully guy, and he probably was a bully, and I he seems a sell admitted alpha alpha bully man. Yeah, we would have gotten along great

in middle school. You guys, would you guys would have been too piece and would I would have been the mouth and if everyone came at me, he'd step in because he's like, that's my boy making fun of myself. Oh my god. I love the idea of you two. It's like best friend. And then he would have your better, he would have your back, would be like, nobody messes with Thomas. You don't mess with Thomas. Thomas is my boy. Yeah, I would be I would be Daniel to him. Oh

my god, Daniel. Daniel hasn't gotten enough airtime on our podcast. What I am obsessed his tour. I have a long tour, so naturally his tour. So he's a swimmers body? Is that what it is? I know I have one of those. It's not as hulking as any one of the bachelors except for what's his name Wells? Well we all we all have crushes on Wells. We like Wells the best. Yeah, he's a cute, skinny guy. But but like, but like

the Daniel, Daniel, damn Daniel. I remember that first episode standing crazy, He's gumping in the pool, and I remember thinking, like, of course it's the fucking Canadian one. And then the other Canadian guy, the Asian guy, who I was like, dude, Kenny, help me out here. I mean, we did have a bachelor before, but like, and actually a few others, but no, it was I I liked Daniel's sweetness of like he was drawn to Chad, like he was like a little puppy drawn him, like he had like such like a

man friend crush. And then and then he realized that he you can see Daniels a good guy and he doesn't want to go down with the Chad chack. Yeah, and he's in his uh limited capacity to express himself. Did say, hey, buddy, maybe don't be like Hitler, you know, or like Musolini. I'm sorry, let's say I can't be. I can't be. It's essentially, if you're Hitler, I can't be Musolini. But that came out so fun. Don't call me Hitler. I loved let's see your Hitler. Let's not

Sam Hitler. Let's just say you were, Let's not say I have It was the best like and it's also like I loved that he was trying to communicate and he actually had a few references that were like, no, Hitler is a pretty well known guy. But like that he went to like Mussolini. I felt like like I was like, well, I also liked it when he played a little prank on Evan. Remember I'm gonna bean nude,

and then it's like, don't worry, I'm not. And Evan is Evan almost, he's almost he sucks as bad as Chad, but he doesn't have he doesn't have a redeeming quality. He's just like a little rat dude. He's it's like, what the fund do you think is? You know what he said, don't poke the chid bear. You keep poking the Chad bear. Everybody's but he's doing. It's just like

a little such a little bit about it. He's been a little bit to this dumb hair and it's like, and I want to like him because he's probably out of all those guys, like he could be here at meltdown. It's like buying and so it's like, hey man, he's such a nerd, Like if Chad doesn't need to pitch up a little bit the other day Chad, which is how I feel like Comic Con every time I go. I'm like, we need a couple of bullies here to like keep these dudes in checking because they're being too

big a nerds. Like I felt like when Chad spoke like as the truth tell her that he was when he said to her, you're not really into him, and she was like, what what do you mean? Like she's like, you're not fucking for real giving this dude a rose and tact. That's the thing he was lacking, but he's right. He's like, are you gotta kidding me? Because there is

no way that they would ever end up together. She's doing this as a statement of like this and also probably producers being like, you gotta give it to nerd Linger. But yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a moment of it's like unbelievable. I was going to go somewhere, but I jumped off the train. I have two more people to tell you're gonna be a bachelor. Wich're exciting Jubilee Jubiliere better. I think she's the sexiest woman. She in her little

bikini dancing for Ben. She's got tats, she's complicated what I feel about Thomas, And I've told this to my wife. Even so, this is not speaking out of turn I feel and this is probably incredibly insensitive and like showing how racially ignorant I am. But I feel like she's where she from Miami or something like that, Like she probably Mimi, Yeah, but yeah, listen, Mami. She probably gets

like dudes like girl, what girl? Like it's so Browian duty and all that kind of stuff, And she she probably would love me to introduce her to Elliott Smith and like Nick Drake and we'll go to a Stephan Stephen concert and like, I can bond over Neutum Hotel and be like see looking like show her a comic book store and like, hey, you want to see an improv comedy show? And she'd be like what the fund is?

And the like I love it. She probably just needs like creative, weird, sensitive in a different show her her world. If if your wife was never born, if she didn't exist, and you had a chance, would I would run away with Jubilee. I would definitely try and get a number. I would be like, would you ever consider this first? Because maybe she isn't the muscles? And then no, no, no, she liked Ben because and she I agree with you.

I do agree with you. I actually think that she she has a strength there, but there is this vulnerability and she needs some a guy like I agree with you, and I think that you showing her taking her to UCB your miltown. I love the idea of you taking her to a couple of days to be like, look, sense of kids exist. I can help you. I like that idea, but I never can because I'm stuck married to a really incredible girl. I'm so sorry sucks. I'm so sorry. Well, I'm hoping that I'm do you think so? Now?

Right now? Is just it's not going to beat. Julie and Chad are going to butt heads because they're both alpha, and then there's Jubilee and Jared. That is maybe. But here's the other one. They're bringing back this single mom Amanda from last year. She made it to the final. It's like, why do you keep leaving? Why do you keep about not can't standing leaving your kids? Why do you keep leaving your kids? Booth? Well, did you see the time when Ben visiting? Oh my god, I tell you,

I'll tell you why. I gotta say I part of me feels like Jared and Amanda might hook up for a little bit and then he won't be able to deal. They'll send the kids down and then they listen Ashley I and to come weep as she's falling in love with Amanda. Yeah, but the thing is, yeah, Jubilee, to believe, is a good addition to Bilie lace Chad. That's a solid cast. Let's turn it out to be pretty red. That's a pretty red. I hope, um she won't, but I hope Claire comes back. But Oh my god, more

Claire Apocalypse. I'm like a Claire, but she won't. I feel like last Bachelor in Paradise, she was like, what am I doing? Well? I felt what am I doing on the show. She's been convinced to be on the show again. She's like, I gotta stop. Well what is

yeah her? You can see that she is a hot lady and like, but the fact that she wasn't getting picked like her fucking her roastar Mooney behavior was really she reminds me of someone I know, though I'm not gonna like out on the internet, but like, I know that personality. She's just like, if you just chilled out for a little bit, your inter beauty would match her out and everyone will be like, see how beautiful awesome you are. But instead you're this like walk downstairs, like

I cut my own hair. I'm beautiful now. Isn't that what you want? And you're like, whoa, whoa, chill, We're all cool with you before everybody chill. But she's also she's also like kind of she feels a bit more like a like a white wine drunk mom. She gets a couple, She's like, look at you, you're just salsa and I could take my chip and yeah, you're right you and you're like, oh mom, yeah, you're like's just like, I'm just being bad. I'm just my girls and I'm

getting bad. I got my chaballet and I'm good to go. Yeah, that's probably I feel a little caddy because I've got all these people are really nice, lovely people, and I'm sorry, we're just having fun. Were you I? Did you watch the wedding between Jade and Tannery too? Wait? Did I watched the wedding between Jade and Tanner? No? I watched the wedding between was his name and big old Titties give big Jack Jade and t I'm tying. Paul Sheer was at the wedding, right, wasn't he there? As was

as was Burning Love. Ken Marino was there. They were both at the wedding. They were there. They were at the wedding, so they got married. They got married. Okay, you can anyone think this is okay? Who else is coming back, Thomas, Carly? Carly is coming back for another round? How did you feel? She? That was a thing. I want to like Carly because she's a performer, She's part

of us. She's one of our trump and I do like her, but when she breaks into song, oh my god, I want to stare at the ground and wait for it to be over because that is so uncomfortable. She sang at Tanner and Jay's wedding and it wasn't it was she serenaded them, and it made me really uncomfortable as anyone who just is like, can I sing like that? No, if you ever have the inclination, don't. How do you feel about James Taylor? Jan's Taylor? He's too He's so positive.

He's like, um, I don't know anyone that positive. He's like a Disney baby or something like. He's just so positive. All right, I'm going to tell you. I mean he's really hands not well, he's cute, but he's he's fun, he's sweet, he's sweetie. But you know he who's that positive? All I'm going to tell you, I'm a musician. Here's here's another thing that we learned. So the front runers.

Jordan's Jordan Rodgers, so Katie quarterback for both teams. That insane, by the way, Like it's like the quarterback like just be that if there was no quarterback and guy would and one guy got picked to be the quarterback, like, yes, the quarterback. You know what happens to the quarterback always because a girl something like line like that. And then dude is guarantee quarterback guaranteed, I know. And you're like, you're like, why do you need to come on the show,

like you clearly get girls. He must, you must. Day. He's got to be massive poonani just coming at it. Yeah, his phone's gotta be blown up, like just puss picks being like come get it, come get here. He's a little puss pick get Yeah, he's he's swimming and poond. Yeah, he's probably not even on Tinder. He's probably on that like the tender first Celebs whatever the Yeah, I just learned about that. He's probably on that. I just learned about that. I bet he is. I just learned about that.

There's okay, Well you'll enjoy this. On October, Rogers was signed as a member of the BC Lions practice roster after attending the team's minicamp. In April, he abruptly quit Hold Please to pursue a career in television and to star in the Las Vegas cast of the musical Damn yankes. Sorry what true story? True story, that's from Katie. We got it. We've been waiting till we waited. We saved this. He gave up a beautiful career in the Canadian Football

League Star musical in the Las Vegas Kenny Dance. I don't know. This has got to come up. Does the Bachelor? Do the producers of The Bachelor and know this? Well, if they've been redacting and listening, can you handle what? So? He does? So the Las Vegas he quit abruptly to go bee in the Las Vegas version of the musical Damn Yankees. I wonder if he was like a cameo. I don't know anything about football. Was he was when he was playing? Was he? I know, he's like the

brother of the so is he kind of like? Is he recognizable? Like? I wonder if he was a walk on and it's like and or if he's p's the star? Yeah, you have to be the song of dance man. Isn't that? I hope this is I hope there's a challenge Google, We do you mind googling Jordan Rogers Damn Yankees. Here's the other one we have not discussed. Um Ben Higgins last year's Bachelor, has announced that he's running for Republican Senate in Colorado. Okay, well, gloves are off, pal, I

always okay. I was literally when you said Ben Rogers, Ben Higgins, I was going to be like, you know, that guy started off as this, but then he won me over. Fuck you, you Republican piece of ship. Oh this is a great time to go get behind the Republican party with Trump looming. Fuck you, you just show your true colors. You're more bland than white bread dipped in fucking skim milk. You'r soggy skim milk soaked white

bread with the crust cut off. It's also like, like it said, he was like an I T guy or something like what you said. Caitlin was like, have you ever had sex before? She she thought he was a virgin at one point, and I get it because the guy was like a sexual I forgot you. I mean she had to flat out ask him, be like, wait, are you a virgin? That he wore a lot of cowl neck sweaters too, You're right, are you? I was going to give him a little bit of props. Man.

I'm sure you're a great guy. I'm sure very nice. You You've made America believe you're very nice. But I'm sure your policies should you be elected will Caitlin had to ask if you did? Of course, she's a Republican and like and like, and I get the feeling. I get the feeling that his lady that he picked is to like eat now that JoJo's on and I was like, Jojo so sexy, like that, He's like that. I feel like, what did he pick again? That boring girl? The blonde girl,

Lauren Lauren? I think she was that boring. I the whole time. I was like, that will never work. I mean, if she keeps her career, is that you know this girl's international, she's an airline. Yeah, yeah, she's fine, she'll be so it's like, cool, you're in Hong Kong and then this and that and this and that and I'll see you one day out of a month. No, it won't work. It's not gonna work. Oh my god, Thomas

can I This has been such a pleasure. I have to say, I mean, you know what was really good because it was like if wasn't on last night, I didn't have anybody to talk to about this, and I'm so glad we had to do. We kind of did like a recap like the best Best do you remember when? But we also did but we also announced a bouch from Paradise. I mean, this is who are you rooting for this season? Um? Do you like Chase that who had the sexy yoga with her? Oh? No, he's kind

of he's boring. He's a bit boring. I like well, I like Wells. We'll never get Jojo will never pick Wells. Now, are you into Jojo? Do you think she's hot? I think she's hot when she's kind of going more on natural and she's very she's very. When she was in the kind of at the end with then and they were at the tropical setting or whatever, her freckles were coming up. Yes, she was so cute that she was adorable.

Also when they went to Chicago and they were at Wrigley Field and she was in the little club's outfit and she was just she was really cute, like the little baseball jersey. Bless her. She's got a great bod. Bad Um I am. I hope she finds happiness. And uh, let's see who who who's on the shop. I'll show you are I'll show you are I do. I have the cast line up here to who's left, because I

think a quarterback is gonna win. I think you think so in the end that I do, unless somehow all the guys decided to gang up on him and like spread scroll down. I like Alex what he's done for the country, but he's kind of he's also kind of a little bit too, Like he's just like he's a little gossip. He kind of little birdie. All of them are a bit. It's great how they all turned into Oh my god. I love that they gave Chad the largest machete on earth and him a tiny, little a

little ax. I like Derek the Junker. You like him like he's done handsome, but he he but I don't feel like he has sex appeal, but you like him. He's He actually stood up to Chad though, which I liked. He legit stood up to Chat and was in a very like calm way. Yeah, he was a man that he gained points for me in that moment. I like how the ones that are gone are in black and white. It's like, did you ever see this reality show? It was a few years ago, a couple of years Ago

called The Quest. It was like Larpin but it was on ABC pain live action role playing, like people had to like dress and outfits and two challenges. It was so weird, but I loved it. It won't ever, it's not going to come back because like America didn't love Larpain, but when they got Limited, they were like and they're like faces were projected to these holograms on the whole of heroes. But I also like when you go on because I think Jordan and Lucre are front runners. I

loved st Nick. Yeah, I can't believe you got a limited. That's a bummer. He's not black, He's not he should be blacked out. I just got a great jaw line. Yeah, he was cute. Yeah, you know what. They also call him contestants, which is the best, Like they really they call it rather than Bachelor's they're called contestants. Yeah, Vinny, Vinnie's not gonna last, He's not gonna lasts. A great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great he's a hair dresser.

James f Is probably gonna lie is the Jersey boxer guy. I like his voice. I like him because I haven't saw me. I would like him to read me a bedtime stories, got a nice voice, or at least like come over and be friends with your dad, like bread my hair and hang out with my dad. Totally. He could totally be friends with my dad. Actually not my daddy. I think Ali's probably out. He's too, he's very nice. Yeah, he's probably out. I think he actually is out. I

think he is out. So as you think it's gonna be you like Derek, you think it's gonna come down to final to Derek and Jordan's no final Final two is Luke and Jordan's interesting. I'm gonna say final two. I think James. I think James Taylor is going to go far, and I think, uh, Derek's gonna go for me too. But I think America and Jojo won't to see these kind of like they want to see the dark brooding Luke and I want to see I'll star quarterback.

Oh my god, I will. I agree with you, and then it's gonna be It's gonna be the quarterback Thomas such a pleasure. I mean I already the same way. It's like I bottled it in because it's not okay? Can I mention it on? Like social media and people say, hey, you've lost points of point. No, No, honestly, I've I already liked you to begin with. But I feel like we really, you know, we'd love to have you back when we have like a like a real like maybe

a finale or something. We need to talk about it like a real But we've already liked you to begin with. And now I really feel like we've been through something here. Yeah, it's been it's been intense. Okay, Well, if anyone, if any contestants or anyone's listened to this and they felt like we've been Caddy, I do want to apologize. We're just all being We're just all having fun with the show,

and we're all great. It is sad to find out that you're strong enough Republican been to run for office just because I disagree so strongly with the publican part of politics. I hope you fail miserably, Tons, and that you realize that that's the wrong party to align yourself with. In fact, we should go a third one that's a little bit more left than this moderate it will go what just reconsider your stance? When does when does the next season of Silicon Valley start? Uh? It's well, it's

in the middle of airing right now. So the next one will be whatever, do you have anything else you want to promote? Anything that you you don't have to UM in terms of promotion, not really, well when does this? When does this go out? Tomorrow? Okay? Well, if you're in Los Angeles, there's this um a place called the Silent Movie Theater better known as Cinefamily, and uh, I am screening this movie I've been tweeting about it, called

The Blood of Heroes. It is a post apocalyptic sort of Mad Maxi style movie, but it's a sports movie and it's got Rugger Howard in it, Vincent Dinafrios and no know, this is an eighties This is like an eighties kind of B movie, but it's actually really good. It's an a movie, and yes, one of these movies that you you you may go into it being like expecting to laugh at it, but it's genuinely a treat one of my favorite movies of all time. We have

a three print. Wow, we're gonna be screening it. Enjoy coming. What night is that? That's Saturday night at Cina Fami. Okay, that Saturday night Cinefamily I will be if you're in l A Thursday night at Meltdown, Jonah Ray and I will be hosting the Tinkle Twins. Met Bronger will be there. That's at nine, and then I'll be doing stand up and salt Lake this weekend at Wise Guys, and I'm doing a play that John Ross Bowie wrote with and

it's with Josh Brenner, who's also on Silicon Valley. Is about the Ramons is all of July at the Bootleg Theater. You can get tickets at Bootlegs dot com. I'm Martin Marine along with Thomas Metal Dish. What a pleasure, Thomas, thank you so much for coming on. We were so excited to have you. And I'm um and uh and I hope that Jubilee accepts your rose. It should something of a happened to your wife. Well, let's hope, not because I am happily married, but Jubilee, you can keep talking.

Listen to this song and you'll you'll understand. This is going out to Jubilie. That's not going after Jubilie, for it was these rules into your word, these rules word Now leaving nice dot com