"FINGERED IN THE WAVES!" W/ Miles Gray and Jerry Trainor

Los Angeles, California. That is, quite honestly not starting to smell that good. I could not be more delighted that it is not Monday night, and that it is not a seventeen hour weird recap marathon with Chris Harrison and his romata in like study with his disinterested son. But I am happy the upshot. If that is the price that I have to pay to spend the afternoon with these wonderful misfits, then so be it. Signed me up

with us. Today is a man who begrudgingly put on his Rookie of the Year T shirt that I paid a hundred and seventeen thousand dollars for during this pandemic that is made out of cactus, as he insists, and it has his name on the back. You might know him from I Carly, You might know him from Drake and Josh. You definitely do not know him from the show that we were on called Still the King, but you probably have known him and loved him on this podcast as our Rookie of the Year, ladies and gentlemen.

Jerry Trainer. Yes, this shirt that you bought me that says Rookie of the Year on the front and my name Jerry on the back is made from pure hyena for and porcupine quills. Yeah, worth every penny of that dollars. And you said it's like a size. I ordered you a large, and and I really discussed like what size to get for you, And this is like maternity large. This is this is large for three humans. If you wore that to a bar, many months would it take

you to get laid infinity months? Well, that is by the way, I'm really going to earn these Rookie of the Year stripes tonight because, as you may or may not remember, I've never seen The Bachelorette, and this, to me was the best season of the Bachelorette. Ever, very interesting, very interesting. Okay, this was a great season the Bachelrette and with us we have a new rookie. There is a rookie to be guided by the Rookie of the Year.

If he's not careful, he might have a Rookie Rookie of the Year cactus shirt coming his ray with his name on the back. He spends his days normally not in the pandemic, side by side with one Tanne hose Na. He is a daily podcaster on The Daily Zite Guys, also on I Heart Radio. He also has a sort of a similar sister podcast to us called The four twenty Day Fiance. If you like Pott and you like the ninety Day Fiance, you're going to enjoy this podcast.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the franchise both of The Bachelor, the Bachelor at Bachelor in Paradise, but welcome to the will you accept this Rose family? Miles Gray, What a journey, What a journey. I've come home now. It's an honor. Thank you so much for having me. Well. I have to say the only upshot of these tortuous, long, sort of one off episodes is that we get to lure people in who don't necessarily watch the franchise and just basically bribe them, Will you come play with us? You

only need to watch one horrible long night. So, um and Katie, you're also here. Anna, here you are with Miles. You guys do co host? Is? I know? Did you dress up for him today? I did not, wearing the same outfit from when we were recording together earlier. Yeah, I just took off the hoodie I was wearing when we were talking about a couple of hours ago. So I didn't do much either. Although I am seeing a new dimension of Anna's home through her zoom call seed.

When I see her, she's producer and not on Mike all the time. So I see the kitchen and now I'm in her closet. It's my closet because all my things that should be in my closet are out now. Yes, Jerry, I was gonna say, there's a fifty fifty chance that's either actually a keyboard or it's a keyboard necktie. I can't tell. No, it's it's a it's a very expensive keyboard that shouldn't be up against the wall. Uh and a ki. Yeah, we have we have multiple sizes, so we have a tiny one on the desk and then

the big one hangs off to the side. I like to think that Zach was going to wear a giant wide whale key tar ties when they get sexy for like Valentine's Day, he puts on a gigantic, extremely wide tie and nothing else. Yeah, she's doing it, She's doing it. He comes out and he's like, are you ready? And he puts like a little bow around his neck and like a giant a little bow around it, like a giant key tar tie on and then just things just like just naturally happened. Now, um Myles, will you please

is this? Have you ever watched The Bachelor? I you know, it's like one of those things where I know it's I know it's cultural relevance and the pop culture power that it wields over people's consciousness. Um, I've seen like things here and there isolated. Prior to working with Tanna, I will respect her name on this part of the Earth and new to the podcast. Her name is Anna. But one summer she was dedicated to hiking and tanning. There was like a real like she had like a

whole bikini wardrobe. There was like eight eight bikinis, and she was so tann that we just started calling her Tanna. And now I got her a nameplate necklaces Tanna. But you know, of course skin damage happened and now I am now no longer, so she's skinned comage. Okay, sorry, go ahead, mild I interrupted you so um yeah, I mean prior to that obviously, working with Tanna, it's like I know so much by osmosis because without even anyone asking, she'll be like, I cannot believe it popped over, what

are you? And most of the time I'm like, okay, I'll bite what okay the bachelor and I go okay um. And And before that, I used to do the thing where I would get drunk and watch the first episode of a season like every couple of years because I was new. That was the messiest part. But this is my first time like understanding the arc of a season. To me, the first night is the worst night because you just have to like suck, like you don't know who everybody is yet, like it gets interesting like a

few weeks in Jerry. Yeah, overall, what did you think of your first bachelorette experience? Oh? I had uh. Okay. I was watching with some friends men and women, and I was like, I have a thought about the Bachelorette that could be considered controversial. Do I mention this? And they're like, yeah, because they agreed in a sense, we want you to be authentic with us. Jerry, Okay, but you know, yeah, we live in charged up time. We

can cut this out. Okay, does the bachelorette feel more I'm gonna use the word I'm not going to use the word natural. I mean to use the word authentic and experience, a condensed dating experience for a woman to be pursued by many men than a man to be pursued by many women, in the sense that that's sort of how the dynamic is in the world. If there's this diamond in the rough woman she kind of gets to pick and choose from the men. But that's very rare I think with men that they have many women

pursuing a guy. I mean, I appreciate that actually makes me feel good that that's what you think, because in my world, like in my operating on planet Earth as a female, I think so often the guys sort of have the upper hand, and the guys that like if there's an eligible, handsome, cool, nice guy who's handsome, you know, I feel like there's a flock of ladies to me. I don't know. And what, Katie, what do you think? Yeah, I agree with you or and I always thought it

was like the guys. I don't know if it's because women maybe feel a little bit more empathy, you know, I don't know. It does feel like men usually have women flocking to them, but it's maybe because each sex has their own way of saying And I'm like, I feel like no one. I mean, You're probably right, it probably is just our own individual you know, objective, subjective.

What do you think, Well, I think The Bachelor maybe reflects and I'm gonna get heavy here a little bit more of like the nature of patriarchy culturally, that the man is the focal point and that women are tending to this man or pursuing this man. And I think that I think that reflects just sort of the sort of gender dynamics in this country or the culture. But at the same time, like to what Jerry saying, is that, like, you know, women are able to choose the men that

they want to be with. If you're a guy, choosing like them. I don't know, Like it's more in the sense that I feel like there is more, Uh, there's yeah, I don't know. Like I've always found myself pursue. I found myself in the position I saw on the screen of me pursuing a girl with like eight other dudes.

That's That's the thing is I feel like a guy the individual males experience is that we find a woman and we're after that, Whereas I feel like women's experience and I'm talking about their life dating, you know what I mean, Like this is a condensed version of real life. Women kind of can pick and choose and they can date this guy and then but this guy is kind of pursuing them over a year and they can really hone and find the one that fits in their life,

where I don't think that it exists for dudes. I love That's where I love having you guys on the podcast. I love getting that point of like, I love hearing it actually makes me hopeful to hear that because I think as a late bloomer, I certainly always felt in like less than like you know what I mean, It took me along. I never felt like the one that was getting pursued. You're a diamond in the rough. Thank you, and I would win when you wear that T shirt.

Absolutely not you wear a keytar, a giant key tar tie. Yes, I would because I know what you like. Before we get started, I also want to say there was huge news in the Bachelor franchise this week. Finally after forty fucking seasons. And what's interesting is there's twenty five seasons of male of Bachelor's and fifteen seasons of Bachelorettes, which I don't understand how that adds up. But I don't get that they started the Bachelorette like years later. I mean, okay,

so that's insane to me. But so after forty seasons of the whole franchise, they finally cast their first black male lead, which is appalling that it took forty seasons. I'm so excited that they finally did. And there is a an Instagram account that please can that has that there's so much more work to be done. There's this

Instagram account called batched at Batched Diversity. We talked about it last week, but that's so that there's actually is more real change within the system that they are asking for thirty five percent of all of the contestants to

be black, indigenous people of color. That they want there to be equitable screen time, They want the people on the crew to be a more like a diverse crew, that people are paid more equitably, that people have mental health resources to help with being so like, just so that it's not just like a one and done, like okay, okay, you know here, Okay, you get that, Like with Rachel Lindsay, they gave us like there was one amazing bachelorette and

then they went back to all like these white pageant queens, like it would be such a better franchise if it actually looked like the world, and so please go to bache diversity. They sign their petition, tell your friends spread the words so that like that they don't just do lip service like that, they actually make changes. Anna, Katie,

do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean there was kind of a weird thing where I almost wish they had waited to reveal that there's going to be a black bachelor, like around the time where the bachelor would normally be announced, because right now it felt like, oh, okay, well here's a black bachelor, and you're like Okay, yeah, I know, like cool, but like very weirdly opportunistic, and it feels like I don't know if this is genuine until I see the progress being made, Like I will

know how genuinely are when you when I see it in the casting, Like if you if you take Matt James and you give him white women, I'll be like, Okay, well, there you go. That was a one time thing that you were just giving it because you felt societal pressure. Let's see who they cast for Claire by the way that it seems like they can't get anybody, but like,

let's see what they actually cast for Claire, Katie. Do you I listened to that podcast that you sent of Rachel, Lindsay and Beta, which was very it was really interesting, Bachelor Happy. Rachel has been doing a bunch of podcasts

and they've all been fascinating. Um. But yeah, no, I think I agree with Ana that until we see who they're casting in the show, because I mean, it just needs to be way more diverse in general, like for like you said, for Claire's, for Matts, for everybody, and behind the scenes too, they mentioned that it's very white, so you know, until they just make a change overall amongst the entire franchise. You know, that's what I want to see. And then I guess we'll know if they

actually took it seriously or not. Yeah, is like the way the show works. Like when they're vetting somebody to be the Bachelor or bachelorette, they obviously are taking into

account their preferences for dating. So isn't there on some level two they should be like I'd imagine people are answering like, oh, I don't know how comfortable I am dating out of my race, and they're still like, yeah, that someone will consider for the show, versus someone who's that already, like someone who's already more inclusive in how they would date already landed show naturally to begin diversifying,

That's what Rachel Lizzie was saying and whatever. And it's like that you don't want to have seen somebody's very first, you know, like like oh, okay, this is my first, this is a straight you know, like just have somebody like this is how they just cast. There's so many people to pick from, like cast somebody that truly my My my feeling on that is, why don't Why isn't the contestant involved in the casting because I think even just the superficial headshot level, you're like yes or no

they are. I don't think so because usually usually a lot of people are cast before they even announced the person it's going to be, because they are constantly casting and then they you know, and then they I think that person then just shifts their attention to like a

Peter or something. But I think with Claire and Matt, these are going to be the first two that like people know who they are because they were announced a while ago, and now because of the pandemic, I think the casting system has you know, it's it's the time span is a lot more than usual, so like people can actually you know, and also on top of that,

they need to fucking vet these people. I don't want another Lee showing up with his racist tweets on Rachel's season, like how dare you book a racist or cast a racist on the only female black bat Shurettes fucking season? Yeah, And his tweets came out and like like they then the franchise didn't she had to speak out, Like the franchise didn't apologize. They made her call him out. Mike Flice Mike Flice, the guy who created this as Heidi

Flace's brother. Um, and he's been like accused of domestic battery and so like, it's not a great guy, So welcome to the fantise alco calling accepted the rose. I do feel like we'll see the proof that. I feel like the real proof will be in the pudding of like Claire's season of like all right, if you're really saying you want to change the show, and not like okay, okay, look you get a black bachelor, like al right, so start now, you know when we start with the very

next season, his Claire season. So so let's see. Let's also, can I just say one more thing. I watched that Good Morning America special where they introduced Matt, and I did not not notice that they parade Okay, he's a black man, but his mom is white, and they paraded his mom out like sees a mom's boy. But and it's like, you think, I don't like who you? Who did? They Usually they never show you the parents unless they're trying to be like, don't worry, he's got a white mom.

I was like, are you serious? They brought his mom out? They showed a ton of photos of her and them together, being like see that's his mom. Don't worry a safe choice, Like it was so transparent, Like I was like, okay, you guys don't even hype, Like when do you ever show anyone with their mom on their show or their dad? So I really expect I hope Peter's mom right. Yeah, Well she was a bit of a character. You know. They really wanted to give me that. Matt James is

super handsome and I can't waste someone. Yeah, he's actually I was like, he's so hot. I feel like he's our best bachelor we've ever gotten. I was like, yeah, I mean he is really attractive. I was like the most vanilla guy, Like they're the blandest, like the like the softest, safest like boys, Like this guy is so handsome.

I'm like, yes, okay, here we got the real. The proof, though, will also be when you're reading statistics about the breakdown of bachelor seasons and it actually says something like, oh and you know, thirty percent were people of color and it was actually women. That's when the proof. Because I think a lot of these companies get too caught up in like, well, we'll make it right right now, right now,

for now, then we can backslide. That's why I think because to me, I think again as if they if they do start to at least cast more of the cast because they usually pull, like, then they'll have more people to pull from to go to Paradise to be the next lead, like of all races, like like like you know, there's so many different kinds of people to see than just pageant girls. You know, mentioned like when they would be like a gay bachelor, bachelorette or anything.

They had their first love interest, they had their first like that's a question for Juan Pablo. Frankly, they had two women fall in love and paradise, but two beautiful blonde two beautiful blonde women and they had a proposals the mickey only the blonds. Yeah, exactly, I think Frankly, they're just needs to be more gingers. Anna and I said, know, are watching Bachelor US no Bachelorette in New Zealand right now,

and they're the hottest ginger on there. It's insane, Like it's so weird that the hottest person is a ginger, okay, and the bachelorette there is a hot ginger Okay, here we go, Here we are. Um, it's Caitlin season. We're back at Chris Harrison's house that does look like the lobby at the Ramada Inn, with his novel The Perfect Letter displayed as the only book in his study, with piles and piles of dying roses on his desk, posted by his son who hates him that what's named he named?

His name is in Harrison's Jason Josh, Yes, his name is Harrison Harrison. Harrison Harrison, who clearly is like origin. You know that kid is just like getting high in their basement with their friends. Hates his dad. I love his one word answer like happy to be here, Harrison Harrison. Great, let's go. I didn't wear shoes tonight, wasn't it? Wasn't it Katie? That was who was texting me last night?

Just mean, like you know that this is like his son's like it's his dumb internship of the summer and he hates doing that, like you would just tell he hates like he hates his His posture was so defeated to when he's like, and I'm here with my one man crew, my son, Josh, how you doing tonight? And he was just sort of like, yeah, it was painful for teenager. Please look at the art in this room. He has so much money, but he buys that money paint and yeah, you brought up that book. What is

that book? That was just so aggressively like, see that's my name and that's a book. You can buy it. So I looked it up perfect and you can buy it now. I looked it up. You can't buy it new. It's out of print. Nicholas, what is it? Who's that writer? Nicholas Sparks. It's like, it's like the letter. It's like it's it's like a it's like a Ryan Gosling, Um, what's her name? The Canadian when they were what's it Ryan Gosling? The notebook, It's like the notebook And yeah,

he wrote like a it's like a romance. It's like a lady that goes who has her heartbroken, goes back to her hometown and finds love. And you can't buy it, knew, you can buy it used and I like, I like that it's called a perfect letter. And he constantly throughout the episode is like using the power of suggestion to be like, we're going to tease these love letters and then Nick later is just like they do their emails, right, what are you talking about? Like I'm writing this with

a quill by candle light or something. This is a Google I had a Google search these. Then it's the beginning of the journey. And you see, this was why it was such a great season and I should for those. This was my first season I ever watched, and I didn't want to watch it, and I heard like, oh, no, no no, no, you have to watch it. There's two bachelorettes. And I was like, fine, fine, what that was a fun twist for the night, Like it was very cruel,

but very cruel, very cruel. But so you've got Britt who is beautiful and gorgeous, but like to me, I mean I would have gotten out of that limo and be lined for her. I think Caitlyn as cute as a button. Once Caitlin laughed that was it. That was it? Her spunky like, I was like, oh I get it. I'm in love with her now, Miles, who did you like? I like Caitlin for sure. To Britt had something not like I don't know, she wasn't she didn't feel unique

to me. She felt I was like my first instinct was like, you look like Vanessa Manilo's younger sister that like couldn't get out of her older sister's shadow or something was her vibe and I was like, I don't know, I got very caddy, and I was like, I like Britt already. Yeah, I agree with you. Because Caitlin was like a real girl. She's she's a dancer, she's from Canada. I like her little nose, Pierre saying like, she's just so cute, and she was so likable and so her

personality is was set her apart. She was like our most authentic bachelorette I feel like we ever had. She was charming, she was funny and like even you know, she was even a good sport when the first guy who came out like made a beeline for Britt and then she's standing they're not being picked, but was like you felt for her in the moment, but she was gracious and they were nice to each other. I thought the women yea. And her reaction when Chris told her

that she won was so perfect. It was she was excited and then immediately concerned for Britt, and I was like, you're you win. Watching her call her mom was so lovable. She was so charming and she was concerned for brit It just made her so much like she had a huge heart. Um and and it was sweet watching so even though they did the straight first of all, an unnecessarily the show should be two hours and unnecessarily long show that. Then they edit out the ending, which was insane.

They just cut out I'm I'm on the opposite side. Oh god, look at there. So they eded out the ending. But watching Sean, who was the guy that she ended up with, like get out and go talk to her, like it was fun sort of watching that first night. They did have good chemistry. He they cut out the part where he said that when she got cut from her season that she was like. He was like, I'm coming for you, Caitlin. You know that he he really

he super fan came there for Caitlin. Well he said it when he walked up to her, he was like, I'm here for you. Yeah. Apparently he took a picture of this TV screen and he made a little like picture or something that said I'm coming for you, like of when she got cut, Like he just he he really liked her. That is a level of alpha confidence. I just don't get like I'm like watching someone on TV and then taking a picture of the TV and

being like, here I come. I'm going to l A. I'm gonna meet you and I'm gonna make you my wife. Like wow, okay, we call those stalkers normally. I came here for you and I will achieve my goal to me, you will give me three children. So in that sequence when they did the rap thing, I remember the guys like this at him, was like he called him a fan or something and was like oh and for me not seeing anything, I was like, oh, that was not that's a that's a dis Yeah. He was like a stalker.

He was like a super fair. He was like a super fat So no wonder he was so okay. And now it's see, these are the things that I was missing that I felt I was robbed of with the way they unfold that I have to say, to be fair to you, this was such a great season that I think it's not fun to watch something in a two hour There's a reason it's multiple episodes, you know. Um, I don't to me, I don't think it really works in this format. That's just me, but it is what

it is. Um watching it back Anna and Katie watching that Cocktail Hour, it felt like ben Z wanted Britt and was disappointed when it was Caitlin. Did you notice that Benz seemed like he wanted Britt. I felt like a lot of the guys kind of liked Britt more. Um I was. I was a little surprised, like they and I swear to god, it looked like Ben Higgins put a rose in Britt's box, even though he said it was going to be Caitlin. I was confused by

that as well. But yeah, Ben, I think maybe he just like both of them, you know, maybe he's just open to either. He seems easy going. Yeah, so then they should. Then they go. So she gets it and she goes. Much like real life, by the way, much like real life, you just have to adapt. You We're sort of open to whatever. You know, what, what are you gonna do? Who's who's in the bar tonight? It's it's I'll take it, Harrison, Harrison, beat it. You're on.

You're on my turf. Now put some shoes on. She goes to see Amy Schumer was the son not wearing any shoes, was he? No? He was. Chris Harrison was barefoot under the desk. I don't know if you noticed what he really really? Yeah he was. I didn't see. I was looking for the bare feet. Was he really? I texted you I said it was a joke that he's like wearing basketball shorts too. I was like, I was just waiting he was actually not wearing I couldn't

find it totally barefoot. So then she goes and she sees Amy Schumer and they kept then Chris Harrison through I would Amy Shimmer was so cute. It was fun to see her, and it was interesting seeing her five years ago, like she was already super famous, but five years less famous. It was interesting to see her on The Bachelor. Um, you know, Nikki was also in that right, remember Yeah, they didn't initially the whole thing, but she

was there. But they kept sort of insinuating, and I felt like there was a lot of sort of vague they're still kind of slut shaming her, where they'd be like Caitlin season wasn't all talk, you know, It's like they would do that before she went basically like don't forget we listen to her while she got boned in a Hilton, like like unlike the Fantasy Suite. She was miked and we heard it, like I just they couldn't stop kind of doing innuendos, like it was not just

fun in games, things got physical. It was it was uncomfortable, was it because like there's just the nature of the show was a sort of so conservative, Like it was like there was the sanctity of the Fantasy Suite because I kept hearing them reiterated's like and I mean she just had sex like a human being with agency. I mean rewatching it back because again I never this was my first season rewatching it back. I'm like, yeah, she had sex to him, like and by the way they

act like it never happened. This season before was Juan Pablo and Claire, We're we're pretty sure they fucked in the ocean, Like, Anna, didn't you notice that, Like this was never happened except for like six months ago in Thailand when Claire knocked on his door and they went like at least minimum like got fingered in the waves, like what like what it just felt it felt like

they were racing that that it all just happened. Yeah, but I mean it wasn't fingered in the waves of Christopher Cross Soong that's my parents first dance was to otherwise thing good in the way. It's like islands in the stream. What you mean the waves? I my god, you believe Okay? Anyway, if that sand or your knuckles, I accept you, and we even die on each other getting fingyed by waves. That might be the title of

this episode. Okay, alright, so then, so then why I forgot about this storyline which was such a great storyline, the loving the weirdest bromance between j J and Clint in the house, the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. I loved it. I loved it so much. First of all, Clint was so handsome, he looked like Heath Ledger. Totally forgot about them. J J was a former investment banker. I don't know what that means. I don't know what happened he lived. I remember he lived in his mom's basement,

and I think he was a dad. I think he had some kids, Katie, what do you say? Yeah, he was a dad who I think he was divorced, and he lived in his mom's basement, and he was a former investment and then he came to remember. Yeah, a lot of euphemistic occupations like I saw that other guy Sean E was an amateur sex coach. I remember, um Robbie was an aspiring social media participants participants are they just are the editors being shady produce that. I think it's also like a way for them to kind of

like insult, like that you're a loser. They've had like chicken enthusiasts they had yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, aspiring social media participate Bro, you can do it, just post something. I just hit that tweet. But you can lose it all, man, you can lose it all. I don't know what to hashtag and man, I just don't know what to say. Hysteria. He doesn't. That also kind of feel like that they

were implying he was there for the wrong reasons. It's like this guy just wants to get on Instagram and get a lot of followers, so you know how that goes, Like you're completely calling it out Like first trap loser guy with like high water pants and a Falcon swoop hair. Dude,

just like okay, so j J and Clint Clint. I don't know what he does for a living, but he's sort of like a heath Ledger stand in and j J. Is a divorced dad living in his parents said it's a former investment banker, and they just felt for each other and they were like hang out on their little shorty shorts and the hot tub. And then I said, um, I love turtles, and somebody said turtles are the best and uh and they were like like literally, I'm a turtle guy. Turtles are awesome like that and and and

like Villain's got a villa and basically that. They were just where they're sitting like nestled in the couch and they're like doing this like jiu jitsu handlock situation, like no, no, no, man, now I belong to you. You own me right now, right you got me like locked in, you own me.

It was just like they're gonna kiss right now. The hot tub talk to that body language reminded me as like a teenage boy like hitting on a girl, where like I think JJ was like leaning back at the edge of the hot tub and clints like standing in it kind of like playing with the water and holding his own shoulder like I don't know, Like that's so

cool that you like turtles too. I was like I was like almost like y'all, y'all just don't have the vocabulary to express your love for each other properly, Like you're basically there, but your toxic masculinity has only given you these tools and being like, dude on jiu jitsu you, but I will also feel the warmth of your hand. I love can I just sitting on the couch with

your friend and they're like, you belong to me. You're in my luck now and now like I'm your captive like saying that, but arden, I don't mind because I'm also a turtle guy. Awesome. I could only hope that you would be doing it. We're in your Rookie of the Year T shirt and your kidfore tie. Drink it in because this thing is getting retired tonight. You have to cut it into like a half like a crop top and wear it to the beach. We're hanging it as like a banner up in the rafters. I want

it back. I want it back. No, you can't have it would be my edgy sleep shirt. Okay, okay, but I mean j J. We're actually, you know, saying things people that love each other would like. He wass saying, dude, now you belong to or I belong to you? But rather than like a nice embrace, it was like an aggressive aggiro hold. It's like now, bro, look dude, you got me. Dude, you got me now first, like I'm I'm in the palm of your hands. It was putty. It was really one of my favorite sterialized I wish

we had more like that because it was. It was also with these two sort of like odd alpha males that were dicks, Like they were such dick to the other guys and you're like, what is happening here? Like it was they were so mad at what they actually were that they had to be hateful. You know, how bad were they to each other? Because again I didn't see that dimension. I just saw the bromance. But it's when she was like when thirteen out of fifteen people

in the house or saying, you guys sucks. They were dicks.

They were they were only nice to each other, and they were really elitist, like only they were lost in their own little like Clinton JJ world like outside of this bubble, like everybody's a piece of ship, but you j J. And I love when Tanner manned up and he was like, dude, how much it like, how much of a piece of ship is j J that he throws like his like the love of his life on the bus and that was devastated, and it just says you should apologize, and like the and and like the

look of tears was in both of their eyes when they got cut and then also like the like a betrayal of like you just like I was gonna JJ sticks around right for like a while, but he but he like completely fucked over his buddy, which I've never seen anything like that where it was like they were

such bros. And then he comes in and she says, I'm sorry that that, you know, this is kind of tainting the evening, but you know he's gonna go and just goes, yeah, you also an apology, bro, I think, and the guy the look on Clint's face, like what are you doing, dude? And then the tears was unbelievable.

Whatever was JJ's attempt to assimilate, Like, Okay, I've I've alienated everyone in the house and everyone has seen that I've like fallen in love with the man, which was like the surprise of like the like the surprise high point of this is in love with Clint. But now everybody hates me. I've fallen in love with I've been a tool, so now I'm going to betray Clint so I can try to hang for three minutes. It was biblical like. There was little like tears in their eyes.

It was instant. It was like he's out. I gotta save myself. I hate you, bro, and I'd never like turtles get out. It just breaks your heart too, because I feel like they really there. There may have been something there and then and you know, because the way j J afterwards and his stellar um coping skills that he displays when he punches himself in the face to crying on camera himself, that's right, that's rights. Some fucking sucked himself. JA is crying right now. Is literally like you.

It's so much easier for the two of you to look each other in the eye and say I love you than to go through all that. You go through all that. He had to punch himself in the face and it's like he's punching like you're not gay man, those feelings. It was just a weird thing he had. It was like a shadow play and witchcraft, and he was like black magic. He was just like he had you in some kind of spell, like fucking like, man,

I remember who you are. You're JJ, You're a former investor, baker, you live with your mom, your ex wife, suing your prowl Amonia supported in three weeks, Like just make it Paradise, Just make it to Paradise. Villain Stoke out a villain. They don't anna tell us everything? What is in your heart? Right? Okay? The thing where afterward where Clint confronts j J. J J has trying to apologize, it's the sad thing I've ever seen in my life. I can't believe you, man,

we can't come back from this. And J just like I don't know who I was. It was like so unbelievable that I was like, is even going on? Like the turnip, J was like, okay, you are a bad Like everything was like these are just bad people. But it was sad, like I do hope they reconciled afterward. You know, there's no coming back from that. You guess

that's right. They must have been ashamed also, like I'm sure they're so alpha that you have that captured on film and have their bros back home at their bro bars be like you know they were like I was playing the game, man, like that was all act. I did that on purpose, Like there's no way that they've been like kind of outed and then they got betrayed. It was so outlandish. It was so outlandish though that I thought, is this were they just cast? And did

they write this stuff for them? Feels like it, but I don't think I've never seen anything like that. They really wanted air time, But that's that's that's a first of a way to go about it. Him put himself in the face though, just show you some of the psychologists.

It's truly like I've never been around guys like this, and it's like I've heard tell of bros like this who are just so aggressive and intense that they out here and that's how they behave because it's like he got a glimpse of something he had never acknowledged or

something clearly. And I think what was weird is that him punching himself like you're saying, and it comes right after the most intense like examination of their betrayal of friendship, um, where he's just gobsmacked and it's almost like JJ is just if he could, he would have got on his knees and probably would have been like bro dude, I'll do anything. Dude, please back in the lock. I belong to you. Put me back in the lock. I belong

to you. And you know villains are gonna build. But this time I builled a little too hard man, And I need you to know that. He walked up at one point and said to Clinton, look, I'm wearing my power socks that and then oh my god, how and then how clant his whole tactic was to ignore Caitlin all day after and like be like a real like a real piece of ship after they made out in the hot tub. And then yeah, he completely threw his friend.

I loved Tanner saying is an unloyal dick. Unloyal dick threw his best friend under the bus and he was weeping and punching himself in the face. I mean, before we go to commercial break, was there anything, yes, Katie, did they show this usen? I can't remember, but there was like a scene and like after the credits when this season was on where they showed them in a hot tub together and they were popping each other's back acne. Do you remember that? Nobody like, wow, this is too close.

We didn't have our podcast then, so This isn't something that we've ever broken down with other people because I this was the first season I ever watched the show. We had the podcast on that one we started right after we started on Ben Higgins. Wow. So yeah, I have this memory of, like, you know, after the after the credits, they always show like a funny scene, and I swear there's like a memory of them in a hot tub together and they're like poffing each other's pimples

on their back. Oh my god. I have to say this conversation has made that three hour torture last night worth it so far. We'll be back after the break. Oh Bones Zone. Time for the Bone Zone. Alright, So we're back and Chris Harrison and Harrison Harrison. Um, they're back, and they're a horrible Uh they're horrible Romata in Lobby and uh they have on the most exciting too, for of Hannah Ann and Madison. I mean, nobody cares and I love that Hannah and I feel like Hannah Anne

got a slightly new face. It was there like I did not recognize her. I literally was like, we Hannah, because like they know in my head, I got confused, like, wait, who's Hannah Ann and then I looked it up and I was like, why does she look so different? Somebody tweeted us asking if she'd become a Kardashian. I don't know, if it's like makeup, maybe a little, a little. The one on the left left, the one on the left who said her ms were open, yes here again, I'm

not got to know their names. I was just like, the one on the left is the d m S. And the one on the right I couldn't remember to the one on the right. I just felt like and it was a reminder of how fun this show was before it got super duper Christian. Like before before they brought so much heavy you know, there should be a separation of church and state, like Bachelor, you know, like just everybody do your thing. But this was so much more fun this season when that wasn't another character in

the season. Don't you were great? Jerry? Having not seen really any previous seasons, I can't really speak to that specifically. All I can say is I was uninterested in hearing what they had to say. I was unimpressed with that particular season. You know, it just was like, what, I don't care, I don't care. Oh, they're doing great and

they're friends. Cool. So I liked when she was that when when Chris Harrison was asking Um Madison if he had a heart, if she had hard feelings towards Barb and she was antl like, no, I guess she's to be a mom and Hannah and it was literally like she was like kind of laughing and like, clearly some moves in the room, like she had no poker face. If you go back and watch she's she's like like and clearly they're not friends, Like it didn't feel like

they were. But that's that's why it was so boring, is because it's like it just feels so coached. He's like, there's zero chance that you had you had no hard feelings. She's like, look I cried then, but I have no hard feelings now. And it's just like, oh, okay, well then hang up on them. Christ be two hours. I don't give a ship. It's like, yes, just run out of programming, Just do another Zoom show. I don't care, show me some do a fundraiser. We have Instagram. We

know they're alive, Like, who cares. I just want to say I want to remind everyone that Hannah Ann paid for a fake paparazzi shoot where she was playing with water guns by herself. That crew reminder, Yes, she was like and then the things like Hannah and soaks up the fun with her friends, and then people took behind the scenes and she was by herself shooting water guns to no one, shooting water guns perfectly dry on our

chats that can see it. Yes, she like just shooting out like a water gun off camera, like yeah, And then they said it like with her friends and she was alone by herself shooting water guns at no One in a bikini. Yes, what does this? And she because the thing is on this show and I don't know if this is how it is on nine Fiance. If you get far enough, you can just become an influencer for a few years, if you get in the machine

of it. Ye know. The people in any Day Fiance are so hopeless in terms of their media savvy that half the time like they're like, oh, I should make an Instagram like once they're on the show, and then they end up just getting in fights with viewers who are like, why are you dating that young kid or whatever.

It's just all definitely not a savage. The show. This season that you watched just today was a good season because it was before people could become influencers, like it was at the beginning like it wasn't It was the beginning of people really coming on for the wrong reasons, which I think is more and more prevalent now where you can just you just get in the machine and

then you can go to paradise. You can have a fab fit fun thing if you get enough fault I mean, like you can kind of quit your jobs a year is like the post show economy as an influencer for a contestant, is that like are there like basically like six brands sustaining these people or do you have people just found ways into celebrity on their own? I think, Anna, could you I think you know more about that. I mean,

there seems to be some of them. If you get really far and you're a really likable female, some of them seem to start clothing lines, or they'll do like like like Caitlin has like a scrunchy hairline, or they'll be do we correspondent for e I think they get paid a lot for their podcast. They have a lot

of listeners, Anna, what do you yeah? And then you know, like there's like the main um, I guess sponsors, which is like the Sugar hair Care whatever it is, or like the diet t or any sort of yeah, or like any clothing line. I do want to say that Captain Harrison, Chris Harrison, Sorry, I'm watching too much below Deck Harrison, Harrison, Castin Harrison and Harrison Harrison. Uh okay, so Captain okay, So Captain Hares is so cruel in his questioning at times when it's just like, admit it,

you cried madisone. You cried madaicine, admit it, and she's like, yeah, okay, I hurt my feelings. We all saw what happened. He's so cruel. You can also screen share when you find your the Hannah and Sun st Well, I found the actual photo shoot, but I'm trying to find the photos that people posted on Reddit of the background. Anna just sent me the poster or the part of Daily Mail article, but the regular photos that were meant to paint the

reality already just look like bullshit. There's no she's totally dry, she's not wet at all. Yeah, I'm sending them right now. Okay. So then, um so then we Okay, I'm gonna okay, pauses for a second, kid, because I just want to look at him. I want to look at those pictures. It says, like with pals, but like not a single shot of any other person, and there's nobody there's no

part of her that's wet. She's in the bikini. It's it's also may so at the height of like f she's risking getting COVID to super soaker splash out and not. I mean, this is the fakest ship I've ever seen. That's well, that was That's how she was responding to George Floyd's murder. Was it really two days after? Yeah? Yeah, I mean like that's like in the you're releasing that in the build up to like a flashpoint in America. I mean, it's hard to read the room. Some people, Wow,

I can't believe. She's like, Hey, maybe don't release those that week. Maybe I know you paid for them, but maybe maybe wait till like late August or something. Maybe maybe you don't need to that. Did her did her dad own a car dealership? That's what her vibe is to, Oh, probably she's from Knoxville tennis pageant girl, but that does she does feel like she could be on Friday Night Lights and she could be Lila Garanty like that, you know, daughter of Buddy Garrity. She's so Lila Garity. Oh my god,

I never Yeah. She is like, um, so here we are. We're meeting Sean Booth. He is uh, these the the the main contender so far. And it was love at first sight and she felt it. She was like, this is the closest I've ever had to love at first sight. He did I always. I know Lorie does not like Sean. I think she found him. She found him to be an agro hothead. But I kind of felt for Sean where he was all in until like his nemesis showed up and fucked his love interest. Like I kind of

saw his point for being a little annoyed. Um. But um, they were cute, Like I thought they were kind of cute together. He she was really attracted to him. Um. She loved his voice, she loved his smell. Um. And he was like, I'm so thankful it's here. I was in a bad car accident, I was airborne, I got flipped six times. I'm so happy. This feels so right. I'm falling in love with you. I mean that's before Nick has arrived. I at the time thought they were

very cute. Katie Anna, did you like him at that point? Sean, Yeah, I remember thinking it was okay, he was I think also I thought in the same vein of like Clint, a little of like the browing nous. I mean, looking back, she actually had some pretty good guys, and like he didn't really have a ton of personality. I remember liking him but thinking, yeah, he was just like a bro.

Like I remember they would show every time they would show, like his room and his like setup, it was just literally all protein powder, Like he had a ton of protein powder. And I were thinking, Okay, that makes sense about this guy. But like, yeah, Jerry, what did you think of What were you thinking of John? I mean my first impression was like I was like, okay, I get it. It It kind of looks like Ryan Gosling, but

like jacked. Okay, I get that. I understand the scene where they were golfing and then she made him run naked and she was laughing and that her laugh is so adorable. I was like, okay, yeah, they've got good like playful chemistry. Yeah, it was fine, Like, yeah, he's just a bro. Like, he's just a bro. But I at this point, I'm not really expecting much from these dudes. My opinion did shift later, so, um, I thought she, Miles,

what did you think of the Sean? I did find her so adorable on that golf date and her little plaid pants, and it's like, she's so cute. Stealing his clothes when he's nude is a nice touch, like anyone does? I think you know? He was, Yeah, he was kind

of unremarkable. There are moments when I thought other, like that ben Z guy who they showed like seemed how like a quality about him that seemed more interesting or memorable than just Sean, who just seemed like insert generic stock image of you know, a guy who could be a Ryan Gosling impersonator in an old folks home. Yes, so yeah, but he you know, he's he's very aesthetically pleasing, but yeah, not much too personality wise. That I thought

was like, oh, she has she's so interesting. This guy is not that That's that's the real thing, Miles that I was feeling while watching it. I was like, man,

this girl is awesome. So she's got the best personality and she's totally gorgeous and it's like, yeah, but she was my number one bachelorette, and I think, I think until the end, Rachel Lindsay was a close runner up of my number two bachelorette, Like Katie, would you agree, Yes, actually, I think Rachel's my number one and then and then Caitlin was my number two because Rachel was just like

truly the smartest Bachelorrett We've ever had. She was a and lawyer, like she was genuinely like very smart but like and also very fun. Um. But Caitlin was fun and I like that she kind of was just like unapologetically herself for the most part, and I thought that was,

you know, something we don't see anymore. I feel like I would know Caitlin, Like I feel like I would know Caitlin and root for Caitlin and like like I felt like like she could be like she kind of like, I mean, they're completely different people, but she kind of reminds me of like Debbie Ryan a little bit, you know what I mean, Like does this fun young gal that's just like very cool and like so pretty but also like super fun and can hang and like just

just a CUTI pie. I thought she's adorable. Um. So then they go to New York and they the guys do the worst rap ever and um, there's like a rap battle that was rude all to watch. And then um afterwards, Ashley I is there with Nick and I have never seen I don't remember this Caitlin's chemical reaction to seeing Nick. And she's like behind like she's like behind the wall and the camera's catching her and she's already started to fall for Sean, but literally her whole

body is quaking. I remember she had like a ring on her and she's like, oh my god, it is Nick. Like I've never seen like a physical like embodiment of somebody's like panties doing like like backflips like sexual there's like like we're gonna fuck like I was, I mean like like literally watching somebody going into rapid fire heat like it was truly a chemical jangling of the chemicals. I've never seen such an authentic horny moment. That was explosive.

It was, and I just always thought that was hilarious. Miles, what did you think of that moment? Yeah, that was probably the second most impressive moment in terms of like witnessing a dynamic sexual interaction since probably Clinton J J

Me personally, but that was it was. It was fine to see I just didn't know it's Proprior to this, I didn't know who I know the name Nick Vil and I only like the last time I heard, I think, is when we were at the Podcast Awards and Anna pointed out that he had a seat in the audience, like, oh my god, Nick Vile is going to be of course this guy is going to be here, and I'm like, I don't know who the fun what does that mean? Who is this? I didn't know who he was when

he showed up. I'd never heard from I didn't watch the season. I didn't know who it was, so yeah, um it was. I sort of lost my train of thought there, but yeah, watching I guess yeah, seeing them sit down after that whole like vibration interaction, he must have been like so horny too and been like I got this dude, I'm sucking in her, fucking her fingernails blew off when she saw me. She was so horny. I mean, this is and they and they did like

they literally did. And I will say, like I've met Nick and I feel like he's just super handsome guy and like, like I get it. I have to say on screen this time, I'm like this guy, Like who's this guy? Like this guy in the cal neck sweater, like what like this? Like I didn't know who he was, so like I like I could. I was like like I was just she has so many handsome guys. I was just fascinated. I was like, this is the guy that she's like, I'll have what she's having. I mean, like, fully, Jerry,

what did you think of her reaction? Well, it makes sense in this because he stands out because he's not like these jacked up bross He's more alt and he's more smooth, and this is it. I felt for the other guys, Like at first I was kind of like, get over it, guys, like this is a competition, Like

let him on and he's fine. But then when they talk about how they had the conversation via d m s and they were flirting on the d M S, I was like, Oh, right, she already knows who he is because she's already watched his season or the season he was on. He's a celebrity. That is disqualifying in my opinion, because that's not fair, Like that is these guys are just ordinary dudes, and now you're going to pull a celebrity in her mind into the thing. It's

like he might as well be Tom Cruise. Of course she's gonna her fingernails are gonna fly off, fingered in the Waves is playing in the background in her mind. It's like the good in the Waves? What do you do to me? And so that's why I was like, it does feel a little Jesus and speaking of this might not be the right time for it, but I just got texted from my Bachelor watching crew ut A signs Bachelor alum Nick Viale, host of The Vital Files

to be represented in All Areas. Nick does something women, He just does something like on Andy season two, he was like he was the villain. He was and he was like smarmie and why was he because he was like he was just very confident and I think the other guys were very threatened by it, and he kind of was just like YEO, man, this is me, and like he would just I mean he would kind of like push people's buttons a bit. I also feel like he's a girl's guy, Like he look girls look at him.

On Paradise, he hung out with all the women, not a he's not a bro like because he seems safe, but he's also impersonal, jacked up. He's a tall guy. I bet he's packing heat in the pant like he's got that big zick energy. He's got the com dick and you. But it felt like I was like, oh, I also felt like watching him with Caitlin after everything we've seen, because he was on so many he sees this. I felt like this whole, like his whole exchange with her,

and we'll get to the proposal later. But I felt like that was the last time we saw like a lot of innocence and sparkle. And then even when he was the bachelor, like I felt like that went away twice, mean twice he got shut down like that I mean, and it felt like he really loved Kaylin, like they were cute to go. I thought, I mean, is this getting ahead? But I thought she was going to choose him. When I watched A Life, I was like, it is him. There's no way it's Sean, like it is Nick. They're

like supposed to be together. I was rooting for Sean, but now this time I was rooting for Nick. Remember even though I knew it didn't work out. I want to say go ahead, yes, yes, Nick just reminded me of like me in high school, or like I would use my smooth talk to just kind of tell a girl whatever they needed to hear, like you know, go

out with me, kiss me whatever. It's like, you know, like I just totally feel like right now, like I've never connected with someone like this, and then there's no way I could let this opportunity get away from me, like I would just regret it for like that whole vibe, like that's Nick's vibe, and I'm like, it's like that

was that was high school for you. I was like, that's that's like me Now, I actually feel like it's too bad we can't clone both of you and send your Actually feel like both of you, in different ways, would get really far in the Bachelor world. And I'm sorry.

I know Jerry doesn't want Claire, but I feel like, and I know that Myles is not single, but I would love to just clone you guys, because I actually feel like you would thrive watching it now, like that's the like Nick's crushing it with this like Mackiavellian like strategy. I'm like oh no, bro, I'll have these people knife fighting. Yes, okay,

so fighting. So, by the way, also to what you were saying, Jerry, I don't I have thought about the fact that I don't remember who says I don't remember who said this to us, but one of the contestants said to us that, like who's done the podcast that when you go on, you've probably watched the season before, so you're not interacting with a celebrity when you come on, like you've been watching them, so like they're a celebrity, like like so there's the weirdness of like not only

are they a hot girl or a hot guy or whatever, but like you have to it's also like the star struck quality that's that's like that's never addressed, that that they're that the that that that person is famous. They had already connected on their like social media celebrity tip and clearly had flirted and he said FaceTime, which means there was some nude stuff happening. So it's like they

already had the sexual chemistry going. Yeah, like it was really truly unfair to the other guys rely so um so then they she's like, well, we struck up a friendship on social media. Um. And so they're in week four and and then she says to him, are you going to stay? And he's like, well, that's really kind of up to you. And the guys are passed and then they're like there's like a wall of like bros that are like, so what do you just hear? For your sixteenth minute of fame? Tanner was pretty I was

surprised at how aggressive Tanner was. Anna, weren't you yeah, because they're like best friends now, are you serious? Yeah? That's he always talks about how he's so close to Tanner and uh, Jade, they're like best friends. Now. I love that they're best friends. Now. Um, Sean was pissed. Sean goes, this guy is full of ship. He was, I'm just gonna call him the other guy. I'm not even gonna say his name anymore. Um. And then Nick is like what, I'm here to deal with it. Um Um. Now, Jerry,

what now? You said earlier that you had thoughts on Sean's reaction. Do you want to talk about it after they bone or now it was? It was, Yeah, my my opinion on Sean changed after she told him. Okay, So that conversation is where I went, whoa, Okay, I'll come back to you on that. So then we're in Mexico and Nick is singing in a mariachi hat, the most brutal song, just cringing. You have such cringe connection.

You give me a huge direction. The classic songs not as good as fingered in the finger in the Waves. But his singing was that terrible? That was how offensive that? Yeah? I was like, that's the I mean, there's so much there's no I know that. That's the nature of so many of these shows to you like that. That whole thing was awful. It was awful to watch, Like we saw stuff on one poblic season, which was even before that,

You're like, wait, what are they doing? Like wait, wait, wait wait, whoa, Yeah, you can't really do that, what are you doing? Um? So I forgot about Anna and Katy. Do you remember Josh who was pissed, who was like I think he was like he I think he's like a welder. He was the blonde guy who he let her give him a haircut, and then it's it into like the bad mohawk, Like I forgot about that guy. I forgot about him too. There weren't you guys that Once I saw I was like, oh my god, that guy. Yeah,

Josh was kind of cute. I was like, and what's crazy is that poor britt who didn't make our britt who didn't get picked. Literally, Caitlin's now like a celebrity and had Brits just like good luck out there like that Caitlin. Caitlin is just by not getting picked to be the bachelorette. It was like, what a difference their roads have been? There passed anyway, Okay, where's Britain now? Yeah? Where is Brittain? Now? I think she's pregnant? She did you look it up? Yeah? My buddy looked her up

because I was like, she's gorgeous. Who's that? Where is she nowt so? Then? Um oh so? Then ian Ian was turned into such a dick. I remember he went to Harvard and he confronted her and he was like, I am a catch. I didn't come here for a vacation from life. I came here for a wife. And I questioned your integrity and I see you as a fake level, surface person. I don't think you're here to find her husband, your surface level and and she's like

that's offensive. Um and she actually stood up for herself. He just kind of like he just kind of like rubbed it in and then he wouldn't stop, and he was kind of belittling. I believe he went to Harvard because I think he talked about it a lot, and uh, no, one goes to Harvard and doesn't tell you that they went to physically impossible. This is how like, this is how star like shaking trying to not tell they they go, well, I want to school a massive no or even particularly Prince,

They go, I went just in Princeton. People go, I would just go in New Jersey and I know exactly that me. So could I like to go, oh, did you go to Rutgers? And I'm like, oh, Prince and Prince and Princeton. Yeah, yeah, I would just school in Cambridge. Oh did you go to a Cambridge Community techn Harvard? Um? I forgot about And what a dick? Don't be a dickt to by sweet Caitlin. He was calling. Yeah. He was also doing that like transparently insecure guy thing of

rejecting the person before they can be rejected bingo. He used the like rationale of like, well, I'm actually I'm such a man of substance that I shouldn't even subject myself to. Clearly I'm not going to be picked and my feelings for hurt, but I'm gonna try and you know, recover my superior place here and say, well you're superficial and tootlu I must go, and like he really like rubbed her face in it, like he really dragged it out. Anna, did you remember Ian? I didn't remember this, but seeing

it back really bummed me out. It's like, one, y're going on the Bachelorette, what do Yeah, she's gonna want to make out with a bunch of dudes. This is a unique opportunity to like do you? And then you're sitting here being like, I don't know if you see, I'm actually quite a catch, but Harvard I went to Harvard, but clearly I'm incredibly incredibly deep. And it's like, what you have not shown us anything that you're deep? You're an asshole. That's all we know about you. Yeah, you're

no fun, that's the whole thing. He goes, I'm gonna go lay it out for her, and it's like, immediately, bad idea, dude, don't lay it out like this is her show. Just let her show your personality. If you don't have one, then beat it. And he's just like, like, it's exactly more than anything. Her gift is she's fun. She's fun. And he's like, I see you having fun as surface level flippant, I'm here looking for a wife.

And it's like immediately you know what his definition of wife is, Like, you're gonna be in the home, You're gonna be cooking stuff for me, and this, this is not going to be fun at all. We're gonna read books to each other silently. That's it. We will have sex on top of copies of the condimens. Dude, Miles, he won't even call it sex. It'll be coitest tonight, his coitest night. Coit is Tuesday. I always know it's coitious night because she puts cheese on the broccoli tie on.

I put my key to iron, my key tart, and it's quate ast night, and we put we put on fingers in the waves, put on my Christopher Cross vinyl fingered in the waves, and we coitus on each other, and I give her undercarriage a firm handshake. How do you do? What do you do? It's nice to me. My name is Ian. I give her the very toss

or the Latin hard. Oh my god, this is my nightmare to be surrounded by guys like this, Like as a woman who is a fun person over the years, I like as a younger gal who was like it's fun, I'm fun. Like there's many things I'm not. I am not an extreme sports person. I am not gonna scale the side of a rock. I am fun. I've had dumb guys say ship to me, like, you know what your problem is? It's basically my problem. My problem was

that I didn't want to suck them. It's usually it's like you know what your problem is, you just go around like it's like it was always they think like somehow by them telling you what your problem is, like the ultimate problem is that you actually have standards. And it's like it's always like these drag guys that need to sit you down and tell you what's wrong with you.

It was like, right, this was their mind. Then you fuck them think, yeah, that's what he thought was gonna happen, Like, oh, she'll just see the air of her ways to be you know what, You're right, I need to settle down and you're the guy, so then we have there in Dublin and Nick, she's she takes him on a one on one. She's so excited to fuck up, like you

can see her before, like I'm gonna take that. And he literally walks up doing a jig and they go get clatter rinks together, and he's in his cowl necked sweater, which I actually like because it's cute and it feels like something like a real guy would wear. But people on the Bachelor don't generally like I just right, he

just didn't feel like about short contestant. And then he but he did a lot of like pushing her up against a wall and kissing her the class if you wanted to go when you send when we clone you guys, when you we clone Miles and Jerry and you send your clone in did you do well with a wall against a wall kiss? That is always a hit in the Bachelor? Um, okay, before we get to the wall kiss and the sexy times at the church, we gotta take a moment because I gotta call My panties are

doing backflips. I don't know about you, but I think I gotta take pity your break. Okay, So she goes Nick makes me feel like a woman, like a desired woman. I mean, she goes, you want to go back to my hotel room and hang out for a bit. He goes, yeah, And we like, Katy texted me like we're literally hearing her. Likes her get fingered the most? Do you the gresson

fingered more than any podcast? I love that you guys think he was using his frown in the beginning right when again, and you could like kind of hear clothes coming off, and then you heard her just going and I was like, she was getting down there. That's exactly what's happening. Yeah, maybe not with his finger, he Nick, did you think? Did you? I think he dove right into the kindling lady. Nick knows, but I think he I think he dove right into the deep end. He

be doing that because Nick knows what he has. If you should call him, there we go in, there we go. I mean, what do you think, Anna, what if we call because he's been on this show before, what if we call them, like, all right, be real finger or did you go straight to cud you start or did you start with fingeringer? Can you imagine it's so inappropriate?

Don't even say hello? A couple of times. I'm that adult lady that I came in, and I'm like the adult super family who's like a character actress and much shorter than all the women you know. You know, I was like that lady, listen, did you finger? Did you? Just from my own knowledge, I didn't. We're just curious. When I heard the fully artist, I thought it was a finger. But my friend was like, Carly, did you say, uncle Steve? What was your name? Fuck you? That was

my name. I don't know, Uncle Steve. I'm out of here. And it wasn't even that. It wasn't even that. Now, I don't want to say that. We'll look it up. We can look it up. We can look it up. Would break up? I Carly in the middle, and you know my friend from my Carly, just how are you talking about my friend Chris Steven crazy Steve. It's Captain Harrison, Harrison, Harrison and Uncle Steve down talk about it all the time. Here's this guilt her teacher when we just talk about

like what went down? And I need to be drinking during this? Should other people drink? Okay? All right? So then they go the chemists there, whatever happens happened, and then and then they did it cut to a water fountain just jizzing outside the hotel room, right outside, and then she's um and then Chris Harrison goes, this changed many lives forever, like Captain Harrison, you're the Catholic captist.

The captain said, this changed many lives forever. I need to know what was your name on like Carly Spencer, But weren't you What was your name on? Drake and Chock crazy Steve? Let me get it right, Get it right, Steve from Jake and Josh and Steve Spencer. That's correct, Steve Spencer for hire on I Carly, Uncle Steve, Crazy Steve. And then we worked. I'm writing a pilot right now called Uncle Steve and Captain Harrison. Okay, Uncle Steve and

Captain Harris. All right, all right, everybody does just because it's quart. She doesn't mean people have this kind of time to listen to us because nobody's moving. Blah blah blah. So they went on, they bomb blah blah blah. So she's guilty. She feels bad. She knew from her she felt like she went too far with Nick. And then she feels like she needs to go tell and then and then he goes. He goes and tell us the guy. We went back to her place. We we had whiskey thing,

we talked to get really personal. Um got personal and then um and then we quitte to and we don't even need to get into this. Chris Harrison talking to Claire and Diana Pabla Stuggliaglow, which is the best name for a character ever, And it's just full off of her chair. You can't just say it the name Diana Puppa is stugliago and act like we know you're that's a specific, incredible name for a character that is a Harry Potter spell. I'm pretty sure. And I felt like

he was calling her baglow. He was also calling her Yanna, like there was like eighteen names that he called her. He was like Tanna, Diana, Tanna Pappas, douglago um, and like that was so weird, and I was like, what was it the screen time and Claire had so much botox and her boobies were like there. It was like so exciting and bizarre. Anyway, we're back, so Kayla, anything on the anything on Diana Poppa s Dougliaglow and Claire and the botox and boobies Poppagliano. I don't know. I

did not watch her. Claire is the next Bachelor? Maybe not? Maybe I'm she's thirty nine, she's the oldest bachelorette and she she hasn't been on the show since really, and people are like who And they're having a hard time getting guys to apply to be and we don't even know when they'd be able to film because they're like saying, oh, we'll start filming in July, but like coronavirus and chairs

are spiking. So I don't believe that. And Jerry can't stand her, and Jerry's not into her as a character. I'm not. I'm just not. I don't. It's not that I don't like her, I hate her or something like that. She's just not my type. I mean, those boobies are fantastic, and they looked real, they were like wow, they looked just magnificently. But I don't. She still even did the thing that I don't like where she kind of like

covers up what she really wants to say. And that's the thing that's so refreshing about Caitlin is how authentic she was and how she handled Ian like I don't want another Caitlin, we want another we want someone authentic like that, And then somebody even gave her yes. She just was like, I'm just really excited, you know. It's just like, don't do that. Don't be a pageant, like say what you think, like we want to see you thinking. So then Kaylin goes to talk to Sean to tell him.

She goes, are universe right now? She goes, look, I don't mean to find out later. I was on a date with net it went too far. We had sex and his face had so much rage and he goes to regret it. Why are you telling me this right now? And he goes, why didn't I take a minute to regroup, go to the bathroom? And then um and then he says to himself in the bathroom, I'm so tense right now, I can't even piss. It was almost like the day of punching himself and in the day punching himself in

the dick and the bathroom. So then um, so then she comes out she goes, look, this is the deal, this is the show. You have to trust me. I don't think you trust me. This is the process. Um and uh, that's what happened at the rose ceremony. Nick is going to the fantasy suite and then Nick and Sean start talking after that rose ceremony and um and then real quick, real quick, can I say about her telling Sean about that moment? I love the way she handled it. I was so impressed with her as a

human being. She didn't sugarcoat anything. She didn't say we were intimate, which they always do, and I cannot stand she said we had sex. Yes you did, girl, Yes you did, and it was awesome and you loved it. And maybe there's some regrets. Who cares? But she owned it. And then he had this moment where he could have just been like, you know what, I don't own you, and I understand that that you have to do what you have to do to figure out who you love.

Am I bummed? Yes, you know, but I'll get through it. And instead he didn't. He becomes this meat heead hothead. You know, you know, I gotta punch my deck, Give me a second. I gotta punch my deck. And then and then like the moment between him and Nick where it's like he wouldn't even Nick talk like just get out of my face, get out of my thing. I'm gonna roid rage all over the room here, like get get wrecked, pal, like you don't own these women. What

did you think of his reaction? No? Absolutely, it was just you know, I think again, this is why Jerry and I should be on the Bachelor, because that's what we would say and bring the fucking house down, because just being like, it's weird. These guys have these attitudes really where they're just like give me my fucking meat. We're fucking fighting over it. And his like when he was getting in like Nick's face, that's when I was like, dude,

really like to go broke. You're just gonna have to like, you know, probably vacate my line of sight, bro before things turn up. It's so transparent and dumb and meatheaded and just like what are we doing? What do you think? Yeah? That was I was like, I'm gonna have to go get myself together. It's like, dude, just right now, I gotta punch my shi. Everybody knows it. He's probably like I don't know what. I'm so hard from this and

turtles are awesome. I kind of have to say I can feel for this guy because until Nick showed up, he had at an entire season where it was so he wasn't around, and it was like they were falling in love and she was all in and he was a super fan and it was working, and she said it was love at first sight, and like it was like and the producers are cruel, Like it was they were falling in love with each other, and the producers are mean, and they brought in the guy she most

wants DTF and she brings him in and and I can see how it was because it was really no other major threat for him in the house, and I could see how it would be confusing to them just be like, so this guy shows like I just I I felt for him a little bit. Jerry, you're right. But if we are going to look at this like quote real life, like this is people meet people all

the time. And if she's on TV and she's a celebrity, gets what Sean, She's going to meet other celebrities and if you're not married or engaged, she's allowed to go do whatever she wants. And it's like it's up to you to be the best version of yourself. So that she doesn't go sleep with other dudes so that she continues to love you. So it's like just because your cast on this show, that's not real life. Like real life is people coming in and out of your lives.

And it's like she met Nick beforehand, so Nick was going to be in her life one way or the other. Um, really quick and I'm a bad hostess. My page is stuck together, and just we can do this very quickly, and look good, lord, what were you doing? Dreams started watching j J punched himself in the face and talk about turtles. Um that I just want to say, I missed one page of a few little quickies. I just want to say, and we can just keep it here.

Um we missed, Um, we missed the guys doing the sex said class and and so Ben Higgins, here's one thing you need to know, Ben Higgins, um who we have a talk with later. Ben Higgins was so religious that he has scriptured tattoos when he was the bachelor on his ribs. To learn that this guy was a sex ed miner in college was so confusing to like like that this guy was I was just mind box. I did think that was a fun like a fun group date. But just Anna Katie re blown away that

Ben Higgins was a sex ed miner. Yeah, just because I wasn't surprised. Go ahead, no, no, go ahead, first say, I wasn't surprised how good he wasnt talking, because I know he wanted to be like a Republican politician for a hot minute, I think he ran for Republican Senate

in Colorado. But wasn't he like kind of didn't we find out that he was like a little prude or like unexperienced when he was a bachelor, Like, didn't we find out from someone that like he did missionary with everybody except for like Jojo who was like the sixty nine and he had like we never done that before. We heard that one person did not sleep with him, one person was missionary and when and that we heard that he was so excited to that he told everybody

how he ended. He was so sight he had never done it before, and he's like, oh my god, have you guys Okay, you know what if he's super religious, I bet he was minoring in sex, said, because that was like easy access to like sexually explicit material and then he could like absolve himself of any guilty viewing pornography.

So if he's looking at close up shots or learning what a vagina is and hearing people talk about the breasts and all this other stuff, and he's like got this cover of like, you know, I want to inform my congregation. You know, my youth grew up about how to finger And also, like jerk off during a college class, everyone thinks you're just minoring in this. So then we have also the quickie of because these were all really good guys, we have the quickie. But they had good chemistry.

And he dipped her out like he got really far. He was a sweetie pie. We liked Ben Higgins. Then there was ben Z. She called him a babe Soda And we found out in this terrible story that his mom could. He loves cooking, cooking so good and food so food so important. His mom cooked all of his meals. And then his mom filled down the stairs and died of cancer. It was it was such he was free. I forgot that. Yeah, it's like one she fell down the stairs broker back and then she died of cancer.

I was like, what she must have had bone cancer and not know I forgot about that too. And he's so sweet, like when he did the podcast and when we met him in Terrancesco, he was like he was so normal and cool and he's like his own business. And now I mean now he's a fee on saying he's very happy because I follow that he's so handsome. He came to my comedy show up North. He came in. Yeah, he's so sweet. He's so handsome, he's such a gentleman.

He I'm happy for him. He seems like he's really happy. Um. And then we have Jared who actually got really far and was so cute and he he Caitlyn kissed the Blarnie Stone and he read her the poem and she just they were so cute together. And but I have to say Ashley, I and Jared like Chris Hard Captain Harrison asking them about like how much they were getting at It was so strange in the quarantine. Was that odd to you? Yeah? Yeah, how are you doing it

with your parents in the next room? So weird. She was a virgin, but she was like the she was the virgin on this show. But like so everyone was so happy for her that she got her and it wasn't necessarily for like she wanted Jared and like he wasn't interested and then she she finally got you know,

like she got her. Guy, it wasn't like super awkward when they were asking him about his time with Caitlin and he kept like looking at her like terrified, he wasn't sure what to say, or just like as if it wasn't documented on TV or the thing was always you know, I feel so awkward. And she's so cool, like she she does our podcast a bunch, and she's so lovely. She seems so fine. We're like it was where she was almost like why are you yea, why are you all weird now about this? She's so pretty

in person? Yeah, god, I mean we love her. She's a fan of Yeah, it was awkward. That was weird. When she showed up with no makeup like Mary Cash. I was like, yeah, I'm just not wearing any makeup. I hope you guys don't mind. I was like, I'm sorry, Um, okay, you are like everybody done it. Okay, you're absolutely gorgeous. That's my Rookie of the Year, guiltine teacher. Okay, So here we are. We're back at Nick and Sean. Nick's like Sean's getting all bro a and I like that.

Nick's like, what are you gonna fight? Like? Nick doesn't give two ships, which is also infuriating if you're Sean, like if you want to fight, um, well he would do that thing if Sean punched him, like whoa dude, whoa whoa? Yeah did? I would also be like tough to him though, too, what do you threaten me when you gonna punch me? And like when you get punched, you're like, okay, well did I miss? Did I miss? The part where somebody gave her a portrait of Chris

Harrison drawn on a Tricara top? That was night one? I mean that was the greens are I have ever seen. I would frame them and put that in my house. It was so good. If he really did draw it, I would pay you to draw another one. Chris, Wait, he was wearing a captain's hat in that the captain on a tri Sara top? Was he wasn't he wearing a captain's hat? And Anna, I can see Anna furiously googling that image was incredible and I would pay any amount of money for that. I will. It was impressive.

Was that pencil like just as a pencil and such a great it's such a he's not wearing a captain's hat on damn commission it with him in a captain set and the try Sara top and a captain hat. That would have been so amazing and waves but yes, okay, y has a monocle. Okay, so good, Okay, So then um, we're getting towards the end. And so it was. They literally just cut to Nick's proposal. We see nothing of the fantasy suites. We don't see anything of Ben Higgins

saying that he feels unlovable. We don't see any like, we don't see Jared, we don't see Cupcake. It doesn't work watching them. And that guy made it far, the guy who drove up in a cup Yeah he got cut in he got the cupcake guy got cut in Ireland, yes, Katie,

oh yeah, they didn't show Cupcake getting cut. But they did a two on one date in Ireland and they go to this like amazing Cliff and then she goes, okay, I'm choosing whoever the other pass for a second, just so you know, Miles on a two on one is

I'd be like if you and Jerry. If Anna was the Bachelor, it she was taking you both two on one is bad because only one person is actually going home immediately and they get left on the date and then the other person gets to go have like whisked away and like a boat or what's some exciting that they get whisked up to have the night of their lives and your left abandoned at the gay part of the date. And you have to remember those shots where

it's like a helicopter shot. They left them on the side of this cliff and they just took off in a helicopter and we baked anything drying and the dentist insane. He was a dentist. They had done like Aladdin thing on there and he was weeping on the side of the cliff and they left him like my helicopter. I feel so robbed at that because when he first when they showed him at the very beginning of the episode with like the carnival of interesting people along with the

amateur sex coach, my first note was Chris Cupcake predator. Yes, yes, and his name is Cupcake and he's a dentist. Yeah, and he drove up in the Cupcake. I was like, this guy is too whimsical to be on the up and agreed. That's why again, I don't think it's I don't think they're These are not meant to be bite size. The fun is the insanity of these people. So here we go. So then we get the most brutal breakup ever and then they let Nick do the full proposal

before they stop him. And I know Jerry is a problem with this. I can't tell you how in love with you I am. I don't want to let you go. I am yours forever if you'll have me. And I really believed him. This was I feel like the last This is when the light gets extinguished. I don't know what his proposal like for Andy, but I really felt like he loved Caitlin and he was about to propose, and she says, I'm sorry, my hearts is somebody else.

He was okay, and he goes, if you were in love with me, you would be having a different conversation because she's saying, it's not like I'm not in love with you, and then she goes, I don't wanted to doubt it. I don't eat a doubt it, and he goes, you took this from me, and then she says it was real in the moment. What I felt for you was real in the moment. He goes, yeah, well mine wasn't, just in the moment. And then he goes, you don't

want to be with me, you don't love me. And then in the limo he tosses his gigantic Neil Lane ring and then he tosses his clattering and he goes, I just feel sick. I'm like the world's biggest joke. And then we see him in his apartment with his essential oils over his shoulder. Much he has an essential oil line, just like Chris Harrison has his novel line. And he's in front of a Paris painting with like there's no way that's his painting with like terry blossomed

trees behind him, and um and that. And then I've heard him tell these stories of finding these emails, like now numerous times I've heard him he's telled this to me love letters, guys. And then they never showed Sean's proposal. It was like, and that must cut to Caitlin now, as if it never happened. All right, I'm gonna go around the circle, Katie, what did you think of this of the show overall? Yeah, just like them, like only

showing Nick's proposal, cutting out, cutting out Sean. Yeah, that was so weird how they didn't show Sean and I didn't. I honestly didn't realize it at first until someone text me did they not show Sean's proposal? And I was like, oh, should they did it? Honestly, like the Knicks stuff was so much more exciting that I get it. But the fucking the love letter thing was really dumb because they didn't they didn't even read them, didn't read that. It was just like they had so many dumb teases in

this that none of it actually was true. But I mean, you know, it was. Her season was fun, so it was interesting to relive it. But Terry, what did you think of the proposal, not seeing Sean, et cetera. I was okay with not seeing the proposal. All of my friends that I watched with were really pissed about that, and I was like, why we it's who cares? We know it didn't work out, we know he won, we

know it didn't work out. The more interesting this is a highlight reel, and the more interesting moment is nick heart Nick's heart being ripped in half in front of the American public, but did same you know. I'm just I was there for the highlights, so and like when I saw that, like in the beginning she was blonde and with some other person, I'm like, okay, so it doesn't look like her story didn't end there. I was just like, and then it seemed like everyone was talking

like this. The whole point of this season was she fucked before Fantasy sweet and the thing that like and then Nick gets his heart ripped out. So I think they basically just wanted to highlight that part since that seems to be the thing that everyone talks. I also did not recognize her when they went to her. I was like, who is this Wait, that's the same girl. I didn't. I like, like, you're so cute. You don't

need to do any You're so cute. She's been instagrammified. Yeah. Yeah, and then we see that she's now we love her boyfriend now he was on a different season. They all day within the World. So she's with Jason's a great guy. They they pretend she's going to get proposed to, but her reaction getting asked to be on Dancing with the Stars was so But if you recall she wanted to do Dancing with the Stars and Mike Flies told her

she couldn't do He would let her, would her? But then they let Nick Vail do it the next year or whatever? Remember that? Why did he say she couldn't do it? They were like, oh, it's not appropriate for you to be like jumping from like, you know, show to show on ABC. I know. And she when when Nick came to do it, she came out and said it was sexist of them to not let her do it. Yeah, it's suck up. So now this is them being like, here you go. You can do it now, like you

got a black batchelor. Sorry to resectis Caitlin, you could be on it? We're coming up to us. Okay. I wasn't sure what. I was so confused at her enthusi yasm, because like things slowly made sense. Right when when we started this recording, you were like, we love her because she's so wholesome. I'm like, okay, that kind of makes sense. Because she was so moved at this offer to be on Dancing with the Stars. I'm like, or is it? Are people so desperate to continue there? She was a dancer,

It was her dream. She wanted to be do it, and they wouldn't let her do it. And then and then they let the guys do it, and she called them sexist. And so now now now she can do it. Now forty seasons and we have a black batch. I mean, it's fully like, all right, yeah, that's much different when I just saw her as someone who was so like, so needed to be on another TV show, and she was responding to that because I was like, I don't know what I'm even observing. Oh my god, I'm like,

now I'm gonna watch and then cry with you. Yeah, you guys can leave us reviews on iTunes. We really appreciate when you leave reviews. We got a few really great ones this week. Five stars from Her Swims. I really enjoyed this podcast. Thanks for the last us. It feels like sitting down with some friends to talk over the hilarity that is the Bachelor. Well, thank you Her Swims, and we're so glad that you enjoy it. We got five stars. Bring back Juan Pablo by Little Watermelon. Well,

I'm hopefully I think you realize. Hopefully you realize that we did. I started listening to this podcast with Peter season I loved it so much that I've gone back and listen to Hannah and Colton's as well. That's so sweet. It's been such a great part of my Quarantine experience when you decided to recap one public season was such

a fun thing to look forward to every week. My boyfriend and I and I'm guessing a lot of your fans blew through the one policies to be able to laugh along with you and Jerry and Lori and the crew every week. Please bring back the one Pablo recaps. I worry about by the time you air them, I will barely remember the episodes. I'm assuming many of your fans feel the same way. In any case, thanks for

all the last one. We really need them. Well, um, I know that was really ABC keep story is for a loop with Listen to your Heart and all of these things. But thankfully we are back on track and you guys are getting all the one Pablo, So hopefully you're you're feeling good and we're appreciate that you feel passionately about it. Thank you for watching along and thank you for listening. Here's an email that we just got a Rose podcast at gmail dot com. We love hearing

from you guys. The title of the subject line is firecrotch, so I know they're on the right podcast. Um it's from thrifty Green. My dear Arden, how you be? I heard you say in a recent pod that you're feeling lonely. The risk of sounding forward, this must be especially stuck without j J. I'm sorry if it helps. I'm a wicked, salty New England mom. Can I adopt you? We might be the same age, but there's no wrong way to make a family. I mean, how sweet does that offer? Katie?

Is that not like I? Yeah, you very sweet? Heck, yes you can, Yes you can, Yes you can. To refresh your memory, I'm thrifty Green. Abby Green was planning to finally launch my blog this week, but I seriously left up my finger. You once said I get you, and then I was the happiest I've been in a long time. Please consider me to join the next fan Guess pod. We're going to do that with these, um with the uh we you know, we we want to

do have the fans come to it. So we're gonna do one for these like the greatest of all times. We're gonna have people come on. Why you ask I'm a short blonde and I have a corny body. For real, I'm a feminist lawyer and a political organizer. I'm dying to talk to you and the others about the Black Lives Matter effects on the Batch, Frenchies, and greater popular culture.

I've already written a blog explaining batchist cultural significance. Yeah, even quote feminist and ship and fite me on the pod so we can finally meet up and both have a new BFF. If that doesn't convince you, I'll go for the pity vote. Having shame is overrated. I sliced my finger open with a knife this week. My four year old was bitten by a dog. He's fine, A garden host burst in my face, and the big Juna I accidentally wipe my vagina with a chlorox wife kidding

vage in fuego. I share this because your worm dancing related badge story will forever be burned in my brain. It shows dedication, it shows hard it shows artists still got it okay, and finally, I have a fun action idea to Black Lives Matter. I've been doing my best from the DC suburbs, but with your help, we could do something innovative, effective, and fun. Let me know if you're down, Tanna, I toads have not forgotten about you. So many thoughts. I need to catch up with your

pod before I say anything silly. I love ethnically ambiguous. You'll love taught a white girl from New Hampshire more than you know loved you all. Now for Abby Green? How great is Abby Green? Yes, we want to hear your thoughts on what we can do. Yes, you're definitely in the running to come co host the pod. I mean everything about it feels like you're nailing it. Katie. What do you think that I definitely think so. I mean, she's so funny, and that's awful about the color rox wife.

Oh my god, I feel like I've maybe, I mean, I guess I would really, I guess I think you would know. You would know for sure. All right, here's another email we got from Debbie Percy. The subject line is shan Low Info high art and I was catching up at your podcast today and listen to your reviews of Shawn season. Do you know that he and Catherine did an episode of Celebrity Wife Swap with Jason Mesnick and Mom Ali. If you get a chance you need

to watch it. I remember seeing it and thinking, oh my god, he's such an asshole, and I felt so sorry for Catherine. Apparently he got tons of backlash for the way he was portrayed on the show because he acted like such a dick watching it. If you get a chance, I love your podcast. I did not know that, Katy, did you. I did not know that, but I want to see it now. Now I need to know. Now we might need to watch that when all of these are done, just out of curiosity that he's like such

a tool. That's interesting, that's funny. Um, okay, you guys, thanks for an emails and if you want to email us again Rose Podcast at gmail dot com and you want if you want to participate in tweet of the week, you can tweet to us at our marine air d E N M y R I N or at anna hoes and A A N N A j O S S N I E H and then do hashtag w wait y A t R. Will you guys help me pick up the tweet of the week. Yes, here's how it works. I read a bunch, we narrow it down

to two and then we all vote. I have to say just Lizzie Raps is really on fire during the pandemic. Can I just say my compliments to Liz tune call? Here is one from her Ben Higgins The penis enters the vagina and then Jesus carries the sperm to the egg. This is awesome from Jessy Lizzie Raps. Jared looks like the asshole Wall Street bad guy in every eighties movie. Yeah, who's got that? Look? Um, let's see. Okay? This is awesome from Jessie Liza Wraps. Chris Harrison, So Ashley, Jared,

how's the fucking going? This is also from her. Inside Source reports that Ben Higgins sex ed minor at Christian College consisted exclusively of blank textbooks. This is from Erica at Erica, do we think Clinton JJ quarantine together? Plays your bead? From the Jessy Lizzie Raps. I've waited my whole life to hear someone say I'm a turtle guy. Oh my God? From Chazz at Thorium Dragon Big Twist. Dancing with the Stars is rocked in episode four when

Nick Vill comes back as the contest That's brilliant. That's brilliant. This is from Jesse Lizzie Raps. JJ's title is former investment banker. Why do unemployed female contestants get titles like taco girl? It's true? Okay, um uh, here's an all Jessy Lizzie Raps, Nick Vale on Zoom backgrounds, Chris Harrison, I see your book and I raise you my line of essential oils. Um, all right, I'm gonna narrow it down to these two. Chazz at Thorium Dragon Big Twist.

Dancing with the Stars is rocked in episode four when Nick Vielle comes back as a contestant and Um, Jessy Lizzie Raps, Chris Harrison, So, Ashley and Jared, how's the fucking going? How's the fucking going? Or Dancing with the Stars. I will I will go early, so I'm not the I'm gonna go with Well, I'll let Jerry go first. I'm going back Miles and I think i'd have to go fucking Katie. I'll go. I mean, I actually kind of like the Dancing with the Stars one a little more.

I'm gonna go that one, all right, Okay, I you know what, I'll go Dancing with the Stars just because I thought it was smart and funny. But the winner is Liz Tunkle two weeks in a row at Jessy Lizzie raps, She's given seth vat Who's who is nowhere to be found a run for his money? Um, Chris Harrison, So Ashley and Jared, how's the fucking going? Don't for get that? If you guys are like, we want more. On Fridays on the main feed are one Pablo season is going going up, which has been very fun with

Jerry and Lourie. And then on our Patreon we are now doing Real Housewives of New York and Bachelorette New Zealand which has two bachelorettes and it's a blast. All of them have been really fun, so you can check that out. Miles, where can people find you? What would

you like to promote? Oh? Just come on Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray, g r a y and then on my other daily podcast, the Daily Zeitgeist and should actually yeah, and if honestly I should be, I should be preaching the gospel for twenty Day Fiance because if you like reality TV, uh and there's a chance you might also be watching fiance. Check out my podcast for Twenty Day Fiance. Myself and Sophia Alexandre just you know,

get baked and then talk trash. We're, you know, two children of immigrants and we just like we we love the show. It speaks directly to us. It's so great. I love that. Jerry Trainer. Where can people find you at Jerry Trainer on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Arta Marine air d and m y r an At on Instagram. Anna, I'm just at Anna hosting on Twitter. Oh and pre order my book little Miss Little Compton. Uh, send in, send it. We're gonna be doing giveaways. I have all

sorts of fun giveaways coming up. Um, so you send in the receipt to Rose Podcast at gmail dot com. We're gonna be doing giveaways. And I had puzzles made that are insane of me and my cat mittance that are meet the author's photos that are insane. Katie, I'm at Katie Underscore Money on Twitter and Instagram. All right, you guys, stay safe, be kind of one another, don't forget to go on Badge diversity and sign the petition

and we will be back next week. Thank you buying an I just gotta wonder the blushings where you reach this role you reach this roles to your world. Who read some of these roles into your world? Will you accept this? Rose is a production of I heart Radio. For more podcast from my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.