"FEELING THORNY!" w/ WELLS ADAMS!

I'm jones in, Hello my bunnies, it's art it. I hope you are safe and sound. As you probably noticed, there was no episode this Wednesday because there was no Bachelor episode, which quite honestly gave me a more pleasant Monday night because these three hour best ofs are it makes it a worst of Monday night. But I missed hanging, I missed talking about it on Tuesdays, and um, I'm so happy that we still have podcasts to give to you.

So this Friday, basically every Friday until my book comes out, we're gonna be releasing episodes of Feeling Thorny, which I'm gonna get to in a second. Before we do that, I had a few items of excitement because we're not doing a new podcast this week, I am going to wait to do the giveaways. I'm gonna do three giveaways we record on September one. So, um, I just want to thank you all. You've all risen to the challenge.

I can't tell you how much it means to me to get your emails with your book receipts and your incredibly sweet and supportive words. I mean, look, it's hard enough. It's hard to get people to buy a book, Like it's much easier to tell somebody to watch your show on Netflix or something like that. But in a pandemic, to spend your hard earned money, and you know what, book is a commitment. You got to sit down and

read the book. But you know, so, I it really is not lost on me that you guys have been so sweet and um and look, I hope we get on that bestseller list. And I'm forcing my brother to throw a live show in JJ's yard where I hope none of you get limes disease, you know, once this pandemic is over. That being said, so I have a few things I've just partnered with this. I'm excited about this.

You know, I keep talking about those cute totes that I designed that I've been the little miss little Compton totes. We've done done some giveaways and don't tell anybody, but like I'm sending it to all my fancy influencer friends, like you know when it gets closer to the release dates. But I made a bunch to give away to you guys. So when I did it, I was like, I don't want just a cheap, crappy cotton bag. I want a nice, thick coat. I wanted to be canvass. You know, I

personally spent thirteen dollars on each bag. These are these are nice bags. I designed them. They're thick. You can use them as a book bag, a tote bag, you can use them as a purse. I don't know. I don't know what your needs are. I don't know if you're going surfing or going to a farmer's market or going to a socially distanced rave. I don't know you, do you, bunny? I'm not here to judge. But here's the exciting part. You now can have free will access

to them. But there's a catch. So I've partnered with this place called Premier Collectibles and it's it's a deal for our listeners. For the first two fifty orders, um, you get for the price of the book, you get the book, you get a tote free with the book, and you get a signed book plate. So it will be basically a signed book. Because it's COVID. I'm not signing all the books. I'm sending them all these book plates so that you get the book and signed, it's signed. Um.

So that's for the first to fifty. For the second to fifty, it's just the book plate. So if you want that tote, get it in early. And if you're like art and I already ordered it and I ordered it from our local bookstore. Well, I don't know. Holidays are coming up, you've got birthdays. Maybe you've got some uptight aunt that you're like, Aunt Shelley needs to laugh. Let's get her, give her the book, keep the tote

for yourself. She'll never know. So that's happening. So the way to do it you can either go to Premier your Collectibles and just put my name in or put in little miss little Compton, or you can go to Arden Marine book dot Com that's a R D E N M Y R I N book dot com and get it there. And guess what, you can still send that receipt in because I'm I'm gonna be giving away puzzles and t shirts. I'm gonna be giving away more tote so like, send it in. Make a double count.

Who cares the more the merrier? Number two, Um, and I can't wait to tell you who's feeling thorny episode this is. But I just want to say it was not lost on me. Again. We asked for you guys to give us reviews. It really does help on iTunes. It's sad that we live in a world that's so judged on metrics and like how many followers you have and how many stars you've got, but it helps with everything.

And so you really showed up. And if you, you know, if you don't feel like writing a review, even just going and giving us a start, guys, it's appreciated. So here's two of the cool reviews that we out this week. And you know, and I'll read more obviously each week, but um, I just loved it. Here is one uh five stars. I can't pronounce the name. It's h K S D so they're not making it easy to pronounce, but they are making it easy easy, I mean to

read because it's so great. Five stars a Bachelor Nation Must listen favorite podcast, hands down, Love Arden and all the guests never a boring moment in this laugh out loud Bachelor recap slash Grief Counseling Weekly Appointment. Can I just say if there's any other podcasts out there that is better at the Bachelor and talking about anxiety and grief counseling. I'd like to know, because I feel like we are really we're really in our zone and if you think, I just want you to know we're all

in this together. I'm doing the best that I can. I am. I feel like I'm doing okay. But then I thought I had a cavity and I went to the dentist yesterday. Turns out I am grinding my teeth so much and they're like, okay, Arden, you should wear a nightguard. Oh no, no, girl, I've been wearing a nightguard for like thirteen years and I actually wear it every night. So it's they said, oh, see your day grinding, you could wear your nightguard during the day, And I thought, like,

what am I am? I trying never to get laid again, Like that's not happening. That's not happening. So I need to figure out. I think I need to actually remember to breathe a little deeper, which is not my specialty. But guy, I mean so, if you're stressed out, just know that your little friend art in here has rubbed her teeth down to nubs. Not not I'm not proud of it, but I'm also not ashamed of it. I'm doing my thing, and if I rubbed my teeth to nubs,

that's my business. Okay. Number two, Um, here's another one. Uh five stars Jackie Reid Art in the Self Care Queen. Who knew The Bachelor could be so good for my mental health? I don't even watch The Bachelor, but I love this podcast. Well, I sure appreciate that. That is uh, you know again I say this. We're just I'm gonna throw one more on the pile. Five stars by win

Wina Saurus Best Bachelor Podcast. I've been a fan of art and since her days on Mad TV and Chelsea lately, and I've watched The Bachelor Show since the beginning, so I'm not sure sure why I didn't discover this podcast sooner I started listening for Peter Susan. I think I don't know. The Rhona quarantine is rotting my brain. I hear your minosaurs, It's rotted my teeth. This podcast is

just what the doctor ordered. I love the quirky test of characters, and it feels like I'm discussing the show with friends, which is awesome because none of my actual friends will watch it. I laughed so hard at every episode. Is my go to pick me up when I'm having a bad day, and let's face it, that's pretty often lately. Would love to hear y'all discussed Belowdeck or Married at First Sight. Stay safe, we keep doing the Lord's work well. I tried to get Anna to do Belowdeck on our Patreon,

which you guys can go to. It's been a Bachelor in New Zealand is so fun. Please just go to patren. It's such a joy. And we're doing Real Housewives of New York right now. Um Anna has a podcast about below debt called Deckheads. If you want to hear all right, I'll do one more, one more email five stars Ardent Lee a fan by kick Cat Petty. I've been listening to this podcast for years, and I'm ashamed of myself for not writing a review before. This is my hands

down favorite podcast. I love all the guests, the every week crew, and art, and it feels like a fun chat with friends who happened to be hilarious. And I, as a mental health professional, appreciate the real and honest discussions about real life challenges. The Bachelor is a wild franchise and it's wonderful to have the professional guidance of Lorie. I also have to say I love Rob and his

dulcet tones reduce my anxiety levels. I hope the Bachelor world continues forever more so I can listen to this podcast so that I can can can watch the shows, although I do that too. Thank you for doing the lord's work and lots of love. Thanks for being my quarantine friend. Oh my god? All fine? One more? Alright, two more, I'll do emails next week. This is all reviews this week. Okay, five stars Mesnic recap episode maybe my favorite of all time by Morgan Batts. My stomach

still hurts from laughing. This episode was hilarious. I second everything mentioned about Stephanie and Sophia. I'm from South Carolina. So the story about General Mills reminded me of so many moms from my middle school years. Then the impromptu depression conversation. I love how honest and supportive you all were for each other. Seriously, so so so good. Thank you for this delicious content every week. Bravo once again.

I mean, here's the thing, guys. Life goes on and sometimes it's up and sometimes it's down, and you're still allowed to have a laugh and like and this acknowledge what's going on. You know, I'm doing okay this week. I was stressed out last week. It comes and goes, it's up and down. I you know, I trying to get up early and exercise first thing in the morning, and that seems to make my day feel better. And then like I do the rest of my work stuff after that, I don't know, and I am a night owl.

Final one. This is five stars by m Kramer. Literally choked, laughing out loud. I've been with this podcast since the beginning. I was on a neighborhood walk and listening to this week's about Jason Goat. I took a sip of water just as they started discussing Stephanie and did that you are so sweet impression. I started choking and I thought I might die from laughter. Always so funny. I lost it with Arden's barbed impression. Must go back and listen

if you haven't. So there you go. That's some examples of some great um reviews. So here we are. Why

am I doing these feeling thor any episodes? I am doing them because writing the book gave me an opportunity to stop and take start of the things that sort of made me me, like the challenges that made me me, the good stuff that like built put this humpty dumpty together, and um, you know a lot of it in the book is about how how some roadblocks ended up being gifts, you know, the how things that didn't work out, how I wanted them to force me to pivot and and

just the zig zag journey both inside myself and outside myself how it all led to today. So it's it's I think it's a pretty funny read. And it's also my I would say, my heart is on the page. And um, as a person who has social anxiety, this podcast has really helped me make friends and you never know who that is going to be. And the person today that we did feeling thorny with I just love he. You know, he was always my favorite bachelor. We reached

out to him. Um, we're talking about Wells atoms and I reached out to him when I did my first podcast in Nashville. We did our first live podcast, and he was so great. We just had so much fun with him. He was so warm and welcoming. And then I got booked. I did a show in Nashville, like I was on a CMT show for eight episodes, and so I did his radio show. He did our podcast a bunch. Um, oh you know what, No, that's not true. Our very first time ever meeting Wells. I hunted him

down on Twitter. I had atom down on Twitter, and then he came in I feel like maybe still drunk from the night before. And he did a podcast with me and Steve Heitner who played Kenny Bania on Seinfeld, Um, when we were still at meltdown, and we just loved him, and we like Steve busted his ball so much. You can go back and listen to that of a Steve

just just one of my favorite humans. But then Wells like he he has become a friend and he you know, he there's been like a strange, weird journey with Wells because I mean not to get not to get too real here. But three years ago, right before another live show we did, we did a live show at Outside Lands Music Festival, and two weeks before the festival, my dad passed away, and I allowed my I talked a

lot about in those episodes. I talked a lot about Grief Island and sort of the joy and the tribulations of grief Island. That was my own doing. I came up with this idea of Grief Island, which I actually talked about in the book. And um, I allowed myself to cancel anything I wanted to cancel, and I felt that my body instinctively knew what I wanted to do,

and so I canceled a lot of work obligations. But I very much wanted to keep doing the podcast, and I very much wanted to go to Outside Lands, and so we went. And he was so great and uh really just like such an easy person to be around. He has so much humanity. And then last year, not to be sorry guys, spoiler alert, don't get this has already happened, and I'm okay, so, but my mom died suddenly like a year and a half later, and well

Alls happened to be booked on the podcast. It was right before the finale of Colton and so she died on a Saturday, and I was filming Insatiable and I went up to Rhode Island and I had to like and it was he and Steve Heightner were booked to do it again, and I was like, Hey, I don't want to freak you out. My mom died suddenly yesterday. Um, I still want to do the podcast. I'm not going to be in person. Are you comfortable doing this with me? And um, he said yes, so was he and Rob

Benedict and Steve Heightener. And you know some people would have been freaked out by that and he wasn't. And UM, I just think he's such a great person, you know, he's the only he just is a good guy. And I am grateful that he's in my life and that he's our friend. And I'm so excited for you guys just to get to know him more. And it's interesting to me. I feel like he and Rob Benedict their

stories had some similarities. Maybe my brain if I'm we recorded this so long ago, so there might be some quarantine things that you're like, what I think we recorded this in December or November, so um, yeah, that's it. Sorry for the ramble. Okay, Heimie, I will don't forget

to get your emails in if you want that. If you want that, toe order it now, Arta, Marine book dot Com or Premier Collectible some put in my name if you want it, because there's only two and I've been talking about it on some social media, so go get it now. And um we'll see you again with another feeling thorny next Friday, and we'll be back. The episode will go up September three. It'll be the Nick Vaelle episode. Okay, so much talking. It's so hot here,

all right, stay safe. We're a mask, you know what. Have some fun. I don't care if you've ground your teeth into knubs. You can still have a little dance party and have some fun. Okay. Bye. Welcome to Will You Accept This Rose? A production of I Heart Radio? Oh yeah where? Oh it feels so good. It feels so good when you accept this Rose? I accept? Thank you for asking, Thank you for preasy gentlemen and asking

you know what I do accept. I'm feeling I've had three shiblis and I'm feeling like I want to accept you guys, what is it? What's what? Coloraghably red? Why? Well, you know what, it doesn't matter because it's shiblie time somewhere. My name is Arden Marine. And you think you're just gonna get one theme song. That's not true because this isn't just any old Will you accept this road podcast? This is our little fun special offshoot called Feeling Thorny.

And let's just set the mood for that, shall we. Yeah, that's right. It's time for hard to get a little closer. That's right. Could make this risk. If Hener had any musical talent, this would be you know, speaking Heiner super real wants that's right. Yeah, that's right. Oh my god, I hope you have your first wedding dance to that song. Ladies and gentlemen, Where after that is that going to be?

Is that going to be your first dance that song? No, that's gonna be the song that we consummate that that's gonna be. That's gonna be making baby baby making time. Sure, well, we're so happy to have you here. You just mentioned Steve Heiner, and as I did, just like a little preliminary just looking you up, and I was like, I

don't need to ask how many. So I know he has two sisters because I remember Steve Heightner calling them wet and what, which I feel like in twenty nineteen, like part of me is like how Heightener must feel so restricted. Now, yeah, I think he came up with wet and white, like right before the me too movement really took and yeah, now he can't say it. The problem is that one of one of the sisters is

such a big Seinfeld fan. When they heard he could have called her anything, let's see you next Tuesday, and they'd be like, wait what, Daniel. That's the thing with him. That's the thing that's tricky about him, because like on paper, everything that he's saying is horrible. And I remember, I remember I met him. I was like twenty one years old. He was my first job I ever did, Like, I

moved out here, I got this job. I'm living in Zack Alphanas his closet, I'm working with Banya And he called me like like a broken down horror so like something awful, And I remember being like, I like you, and I like chased him to the snack table and only made him be my friend. He's awful. So your sister was delighted by it. Yeah, when I posted the picture of us, my sister was like, holy crap, She's like, this is it? Whoa like you made it when you

were saying your sister's run a tight chip like they're tough. Well, they're wet and white. That's right. They do their tight. They keep it tight. They keep it tight in the Adams family. And do you have brothers or their brothers? And I have two brothers. I'm you haven't met my oldest brother. He lives in l A's in Brentwood. What does he do? He does like property management. So if you got any you got any property, I got a manage You got to manage my property. So he's like

an adult. He's a responsible adult. Yeah. And he's the good looking one in the family. You certainly did not get any of those like that fucked up family. So he's a good looking one. He was the model and the failed actor. Wow. Yeah, and uh he was the one that got me into the batch. Have you never asked me this question? No, how I got on the batchroom. I mean I might have, but i'd like to hear it again. So he lives over in Brentwood. There's a bar that he only one bar he goes to is

a queues billiards club. We've got to go there, you guys, out of out of curiosity. So he goes to a billiards club. Yeah, but it's like a sports bar. Yeah. And anyways, like they filmed like episodes of the Hills there or like Spencer and Heidi and like who was that Justin Bobby? Justin Bobby. I put my ringer on him for when So I remember Justin Bobby was like a fascinating So that was back in the day. They would go they would film things there. Yeah, and so

he was always there. I was like, it's like you walk there from his place and he would go there every day and like hold court and like play golden tea. And someone came in that was a casting director for The Bachelor and was like this guy, so she not to him and she was like, you have been entertaining everybody this entire time, and you know who you are and you know what your story is and are you single? And at the time he was, and he went to

like the tire like casting process and my brothers. Just one of those guys that like has never met a stranger and like never loses a friend, like I burned bridges left and right, but like he is always friendly with everybody. And like eight years he didn't end up not doing it because he the casting process takes a very long time, and in that period he found his now wife and so he was like, no, thanks, I'm

I've actually found love, so we're good. But eight years went by and then all of a sudden, I was like doing my radio show. I had recently gotten dumped, and he was like, do you want to do The Bachelor? I'm still I'm still good friends with the casting racause he's never met a stranger who like had had since moved to New York, but they still kept in touch. And that's how you were in Nashville. In Nashville at the time, um, and what did you think when he

called and told you that? So at the time, I was doing a morning show I'm like a local radio station, and I used to do this bit. It wasn't a very good bit, but it was something I did where I would go on auditions and I'm not an actor, but I would go on actions for things. So like the day before, I'd be really excited and like as if you were my co host, you'd be like, let's run through lines, and so he would be like a China paper plate commercial and I'm like, wow, what a

great place. That was what it was. And I did a mixed commercial and it really was like mix great taste, like I don't even know, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And so I used to go but I would intentionally bomb because I didn't really care. It was more for like the bit of the next day. We're right. Co host would be like how did it go? And I didn't get the China pep yeah. So I was like, this would be really funny if I go to this audition for The Bachelor so you can talk about it

on your radio show. That was like that's crazy, And so I was crazy and I went into it like super lazy fair and I didn't really take it seriously. And because I've had that air of like I didn't give a ship, they loved me immediately. I'm gonna guess there's not that many people. I'm gonna I bet the people who go in acting like they don't give a ship probably desperately care, but are trying to act like I meant to guests. There's actually very few who truly

don't give a ship that go in for it. Yeah, well, this is why I remember of the day. I had two radio at the time, I had two radio shows, and so I had a window of when I could had I had a morning show and then I had an afternoon show. So I had like three hours so in Naville in Nashville to do this audition. So I off the bat was like got a heart out at you know, like which I thinking back, like what an asshole that, but it was true, Like I had to go to work, and so I was like, I need

to be the first one in. I'm sorry, but I gotta I have work. And that's fine, that's cool. And also because my brother had connected me with like now the lead casting director, I think they were giving me some liberties that they weren't giving more because you had because you had an end. Yes, and and so I

remember showing up and it was in Nashville. It's at a hotel, and everyone was in suits because I think that in those guys minds, you had to wear what you would wear getting out of the limo and I was wearing a T shirt, like a jean jacket and like sneakers, and so I walked in there and they're like, we know you have a heart out and I was like yeah, thanks, and I was like they're like, why do you have to go? And I was like, oh,

I got a radio show I gotta go do. And then of course they're like do your Everyone always says like do your radio voice, which I don't really have one, but I have the fake ones. So so I did it for them. And then they were like, do some bits that you're going to do today, and so I had them already like done the bit in the morning, so I had the same bit the afternoon and I did it for him. Like an hour and a half went by, and I was like, guys, I gotta like

heart out, gotta go. And that's when they were like, we need to make sure you're open in March and April next year, so you didn't have to go to like the airport Hilton I did. They made me fly out later for that. I'm curious about that route, So you fly out so you were like, okay, I've made it through, I'm now here. I am my top fifties when you get to go out there, So they do they pay to fly you in? Okay, so they paid to fly you in? Do you have to wear a

certain outfit? I don't remember? And are you like sequester or do they take your phone? I don't think they took my phone. At that point, I was the question. I couldn't leave the room. Were you with any other guys? Wow? Okay, so you're in are you can you watch TV? Like unlimited room service? This is not a time in which I was like, no blame my first few jobs, I'm like, you mean craft, I could eat all these pop jars and I truly the first job I ever had everyone

on it. We all gained ctain like you, this mode is free, you know? And then your pants are slowly getting tighter and tighter. Um okay, So so you're there, you're in lockdown? And how is it like a three day weekend? Like? How long are you at? Like the Ramata l A. It's so funny because every time I go to l A X now to fly out, I see it and I'm like, it's the one on the right, it's white, it's shitty. I think it's a shared and yeah, um,

and I don't remember. I think it was an all weekend thing, so I think I flew out like on Thursday. I think I had stuff Friday and Saturday, and then I flew back on Sunday. At this point, now that it's getting more real, now you've got some skin in the game, are you starting to care? Are you getting nervous? Do you do? You still not care? I absolutely care? You care? At first it was just for the bit, like I wanted the next day thing. And then when they were like, we want you to do this, I

was like, whoa really? Like this would be yeah? Um? And I was single and I was like, yeah, why not. I kept keeping getting like cheated on a dump, like as well, I'll try this, why not? Um? So yeah, but the same thing happened. Like have you had guests on where they tell you like that process of being in the shared No? No, no. So it's pretty interesting. Like one you know you you do a psych evaluation, so I've seen unreal like what I mean they do they want to see if you're going to crack, Like

what kind of questions do they ask? How do they evaluate? So it's it's a I guess it's a pretty typical psych evaluation, Like it's across the board. If you're going to be in politics or whatever, it's just all the same test. What kind of questions? Is it about your family or is it walcked up? Man? So they'll have questions what will be like, um, God, would you like to be a florist? Yes? Or no? And then you're like, you know, no, I don't think I want to be

a florist. And then the next questions, do you have demonic thoughts of killing your parents? Okay? Yes or no? And then you're like, well, no, now I'm rethinking the florist question right right? I answer wrong? Did I answer? Am? I? Now the I'm the psycho because I didn't want to be a florist. Do you want to be a park ranger? Do you harbor ill will to those who have wronged you?

It's stuff like that, they trick you. It's like it's like it's like it's like it almost feels like a good cop bad cop, but is only one person asking and they're like, well, I do like fluff questions? And then yeah, do I harbor ill will? Yeah? I would say I do. I think I hold a grudge? Yeah, there's a lot of questions of like, um, are the reasons why you have been unsuccessful due to other people's actions? So it's like it's like trying to figure out if

you're angry at others and not like taking ownership. I don't know. So you take that test and you meet with a shrink and you talk to them about like your life problems and everything. They ask, are your parents married? Are you the test? They can figure out a lot about you. I'm kind of freaky. I'm sure I have no game face. I'm in and like I will answer anything, and not in a good way. I won't. I don't want to, and I won't be smooth about it. But I could fully be like tricked into a cult, you

know what I mean? If they're absolutely bringing people that have filled this test because like Chad or Luke Pete. But I think maybe they want that. They may want I think they're like, here's our here's our real viable guys, and maybe here's our wild cards. I don't know. Okay, So the backstory and Chad was apparently when Chad did all that stuff, he was like thirty pounds lighter, and

I think he started to work. He started to work out way, and I remember talking to two producers like while we were filming that, being like, how could you bring someone like this here? This is a liability for all of us. Was he was dangerous and I was at that time like a buck fifty. I was getting ready getting broken in half. Um And and they were all like three months ago when we cast this thing. He did not look like this. I see, I see.

But it's also it's not a like a pass er a fail thing, you know, like you I don't think you can fail that test. It's more of like what type of personality you are? Um? I And I obited a point because I've done they made me do it every year and now as a bartender, and I make a point to talk to the to the shrink afterwards and be like tell me my scores, like how because you change, like you're everyone changes through their life. And

so it was really funny. They would go compare my from like my first time taking it to like now, and what my my confidence now is like so much better than it? Like yeah, but like I've become more more self deprecating, but that's also like a confidence Like it's all going back the same thing. And that's interesting, super it's a crazy weird test, but yes, you take

that test. You talk to like a private eye that like goes deep into your stuff because they don't think you can't have someone who has especially now, but you can't have someone who has a secret a secret or a restraining order against them or and I assume now they have like social media private eye. That wasn't a thing during my time. I know that my friend who just did like a stand up, he's like a stand up who did not like the new common or whatever.

There's not the last comic standing but whatever that one was on NBC, Like I know he knew that he was the only one that didn't have like when they scrubbed all of their tweets, he was the only one they didn't have to delete any two like they're now deep diving, which they should, which they should because they had because they had that guy who did there all those racist Lee Lee they should they should or or or no, actually I actually I like the idea of

racing should have that. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're right if it is that kind of yeah, yeah, um, that's interesting that and is it scary to be like meeting with the psyche people. Is it's scary to talk to like the detective type, Like that feels intimidating because it feel almost like you've been arrested or is it exciting? It's nerve racking. I think, yeah, you're also just like I don't know what's going to show up. You know, in college, I got arrested for stupid stuff and like,

is that gonna pop up interesting? And then you know, I got like a minor in possession of marijuana and I was like, eighteen, is that gonna is this gonna screw me over? And you know, and then it didn't know that stuff like that's not really what they're looking for concerned about. They don't need to be like a psycho. Yeah uh so, yeah, so you do, and then you

take STD tests. You take a lot of STD tests, which I always appreciated because I mean, and I still do for parent I still do those, and it's always us because every year I'm like, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, that's right. I know. Yeah. I was always obsessed with diseases. I remember my brother and I would always drag my brother every year. I'd be like, We're going to Washington Square Park to the clinic and I we would every year.

I was so parent and I was like, come on, and like, it's not like we were the most popular people in town. But like, I don't know why I about my brother, but there was there was like we I think we were both equally freakingly wired. It was like, let's go make sure we're cooling. Um, so that's good

that they do that, I think. I mean, it's important because you have the wind and have like a mom, so like cheering it on that part was respect, Like how I don't ever want a parent cheering on me boning like my parents or somebody else's parents cheering on me getting laid four times in a when. Now, I just think that she panicked because she didn't know how to respond to that situation. I mean, how would you not, oh, bone zone time for the bone zone were your How

did your parents feel about you going on? Was it weird to have your parents watched? I mean you didn't have anything super embarrassed saying no, I I think everyone was super apprehensive of me doing it and worrying how you know, how I would be quote unquote edited think they had changed who I was. To be honest with you, and someone who has not done the show for so long, I've never seen an edit that I was like, that didn't happen. You know, for the most part, you said

that ship, you were that person. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen. That kind of stuff. So but at that time, my parents didn't know that, and my assist my siblings did not, so they were just kind of apprehensive of how it's gonna look. I remember coming home being like, I didn't tell anyone what happened, but I was like, everything's gonna be fine, right. I don't look bad, not nothing. I don't do anything that's

gonna make me look bad at all, you know. I feel like, did hear you say you were less confident in the first time and then more confident later on. I feel like if I went into that mansion, I would find it hard. I think I would have gone in not confident, and I think I would have hard not to fold in, like in a competitive setting, particularly in a romantic situation, like if I ever knew I was like my friend and I both liked the same or whatever, Like I would always sort of let somebody else,

like I would sort of self sabotage. I think I think it would be hard not to fold in in the house, Like, how did how was it being in that environment? Well, I knew I was never in the game, Like it was pretty evident that that she thought I was cool but not super into me. How did that feel? I was fine with it because I remember I liked her and I thought she was cool, but I also wasn't it this is it, you know? But I also just have a lot of time with her until the end.

That's when I got like sent home. But we've talked about this on other podcasts, like the the psychological experiment of the whole thing is interesting, and ratings like reflect it. The Bachelor is five, far and away the more popular of the of the three shows, is it? In terms of ratings? For sure? And it's this weird thing at least favorite really, I mean, and I like The Bachelorette in Paradise, Well, Paradise is coming up. I mean, Paradise is to me the greatest show on television paras blast.

It's the most fun and it feels actually like people are together the longest and like I love I feel like I'm watching the other two to get to Paradise. Well, yeah, and now that's what it is. It's it's a mean. Those two shows are now a means to the end to get to paradise, you know, because you need to have those casts to get there. Now that Bachelor has become very pageant centered, that's less interesting to me. I like the bromances that happened in the house. I like

the man friendships that happened during the Bachelorette. Was gonna say so in terms of ratings, this weird thing that happens when you put a bunch of women together going after one man, and you put a bunch of men together going after one woman. Women for whatever reason instinctively like um, get Caddie, separate and get really really competitive. And it's got to go back to like the um

the caveman days and the pact mentality. Men all band together and we're like chums and we're all for everyone on It's clear watching that, like you can see every season. I love when you see people are starting to enjoy each other, Like it's fun to watch. But in terms of ratings, you want to see everyone pickering. And that's why this is my theory, is why the Bachelor does better. It's because at the end of the day, the lead

isn't the backstor of the back threat. The lead is the cast that's going after those people, right, And so if everyone's friendly, then there's really not a lot of drama. So and if this drama, if everyone hates each other, that's much better. And I think that's why people like The Bachelor. Who is your best friend in the house? Um, Derek was my best friend in the house. Derek Derek Paith He dated Um Oh my god, he was. He was on JoJo's season. Oh my god. That further than

me too. He seems so sweet. I really liked him, and I really liked I thought he handled the whole Demi thing so well this summer. And I didn't like when John Paul Jones came after him. I didn't like that. I like it well, John Paul Jones just didn't. It didn't make any sense. It felt a little live wire. It just was like, I'm losing out to this guy. Let's make up some stuff. No, he seemed like a nice guy, like I felt like. I liked him. Yeah,

from he's from Iowa. He's like a finance guy in Manhattan. He's like a normal dude. Seems like a normal and like not to like belabor a overused cliche, like I think he's always been there for the right reasons, Like he was super Remember when we ruined together and I was being honest and I was like, I don't think she's into me, so I'm not that in Jojo and he was like, how could you say that I'm so into her? And I was like, well, don't tell anyone. I said that. I guess He's like, don't worry your

secret safe with me. And then he went on Barrettyes and he got engaged to Taylor and that didn't work out, and then he came again and he just keeps on any dumped. I wanted him to be the bachelor, I was. That's what I was rooting. I wanted him. When he laughed and he was like and that, he was like everybody always says you're such a catch, Like I wanted him. I felt like we all felt. I felt like we all every lady in America was like, oh my god,

there's so many ladies they would fix you up with. Yeah. My The reason why I was rooting for him, other than he's one of my friends, was he's thirty two, thirty three, so that opens the door to have some older women, which I feel like the show has been missing a lot of it's been really young really only twenty three. Yeah, that's young. That's young. I know, I know. It's been an interesting we are unfortunately, are so deep in and we watched Australia and they reset every season.

They have a new outside, they just bring it. Every Bachelor they bring in some new do and then then they go through and the Bachelorette is from his you know, and then they go through Paradise. But after Paradise they have a reset of the franchise. And I like that because you can kind of reset. It's almost it's not

eating its tail as much. Yeah, I mean, I would say that the one of the glaring problems just in terms of production with that is if you're if you're on the Bachelorette, Like for Peter, for example, he got two months of like learning how to do reality television, so now he's a little more polished and some guy just drive. That's what we were saying. There's this guy that like watching because we started a new season, We're like, oh, he's never seen himself on television. There's a certain beauty

to that. Were like, he doesn't know that when he talks. He he's a handsome guy, but like Dore's like get like he's like, there's a panicky you know, he hasn't been put through. There's you can tell he's never seen any of it back yet and that he would change it if he had a chance. Again, do you watch the Canadian version? Should I? Because I used to have to go up to Toronto. Not have to They asked me to come up to Toronto and like do after shows. I don't know anything about it, like the one that

it was a couple of years ago. I guess it was a professional baseball player who was a bachelor who played for like when people were like bring it on. Everyone was into it. We watched England and and it was fascinating and at first I liked him. It was like a dude to like a top knot and rememb were like mm. But I was like it was like a guy in a man bond. But then he was so vain, he was so disgusting. I hated him. Have you ever been with a girl? Yeah? Yeah, that's right,

Like that's right. He'd be like you're really flexible. Have you ever just like I don't know, gotten drunk and made love to a woman here, like you've been asking me, like any quite like what I do for a living, like if I have a hobby, like like any. It's so clear what his like his little piccadillo, you know, like what his little deviant thing I was. I was like, dude, and he was I feel like he was wearing like a little man like man cloth. It was not they

made him paint him like in the garden. He was like draped with like nothing but like a little towel on his dick and you have to like paint him as if it was the Titanic, and like he was he was Jack and you were like you are Rose painting. It's like, oops, I've got to tell on my dick. It was just like this is England, like bring me fucking Prince Harry, Like what is happening here? Like it wasn't good. It wasn't good of the other like franchise iterations,

what's your favorite? It's it's spectacular. The women are really down to earth and fun and cool. Um. They remind me a lot of like Carly, you know, they're they're like fun, adorable, good sports. Um I it's it's nut and I feel like they haven't quite figured out how to do it as well. Uh what do you like Australia? Yeah, I think so everyone's chiller. Maybe that's just the Australian vibe. They're not as dirty as we are, Like they don't

have fantasy sweets and like I'm paradise. They were like I'm just gonna kiss one person here and You're like wait, what, Like what are you talking about? Like you mean the whole time or you mean like like this hour talking about like what? Yeah, they were very they were very and I remember they had this hot bachelor who but he was very sort of prudish and some girls tried to kiss them like the cocktail party, so he sent

her home. I'm like, what is happening here? I thought in my mind whenever I'm meeting Australia's they're just like on a year long like they all have tickets for a year, just flying east and they're just like ship face going from like they're like they're like I'm a ski lift operator. Like they just go from like sort of part time job to part time job, partying around the Globe for years, so I was like there, but they're they actually, I guess like themselves more. They're not

as dirty as we are. They don't like just the like it at it in the hot thought. How do you watch it? I want to watch it. I'll send you the link. There's like this, there's like this database and you just put in any old email. You watch it on Chrome. It's to me, the greatest season of any of the shows ever was the season one of Bachelor in Paradise Australia, because they didn't know how to do it so like and it was just two years ago, and there was three couples that came out of it

that were like Carly and Evan. There were three weird couples that like really fell in love. Would you do you think that was the best one we ever had? Yeah? That was And it was long as like sixteen episodes. It was really entertained. Is that the one that Jared was on? Yes, yes, he had a hard time. He had a hard time. They they I don't know why.

It was fascinating all the women of Australia. Poor Jared, he like and it was and I was watching because I like, of course I know who he is, and I'm like, he's probably used to like at this point, probably getting hit on wherever he goes, and it's probably this like like record scratch of like wait what they all loved Grant? Grant was there, he was on my season. Okay, I'm gonna tell you something, so he are you gonna watch it because I kind of okay, I'm not gonna

tell you what happens when you're done. Tell me when you're done, and I'm gonna tell you something. It's the craziest is I do with Grant? Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Should I tell you? Just tell me? Just okay, okay, so okay, okay, okay, okay, she's standing out, Okay, okay, So there is so so Grant comes on and they're all like, who the fuck is that? Like got that guy? They all divorce that. I also like, I just love a comment. I do it. But they can't believe Grant's Grant.

Daniel and Jared show up and poor Jared. That could be like, oh, Jared's a kidding kindy that nobody wants to Patty with. I kept calling like nobody wanted anything with Jared. So everybody's like fucking get me Grant like like this bon zone like straight, like maybe I will

kiss the guy that Grant. So there's this one that for whatever reason, this woman Ali, who had she had been on years ago and like she take like a seven year hiatus and she came back and she had like new tit's the size of Jupiter, okay, like gigantic and like just the fault shebang, and but she was like, I'm just gonna kiss one guy. And everybody was just

like falling for Ali. Everybody loved Ali, and so Ali was like, my kisses going to Grant, and so she grabbed her off and they are they have like they were pretty cute and they went on like so like bike riding dates and everything. But she was very she was she had a lot of self esteem and was like I'm just being with one person and I was very hurt. I'm just kissing Grant. They got engaged. They did,

They got engaged. She comes to a visit and they break up because he's such a dirt ball that he said this on like he talked about it on a radio station and he released the texts. Apparently they all went out in Hollywood like I'm like a Tuesday night and he walked in at like midnight and allegedly friend was like eating her out in the stairwell. His friend. Yeah, he walked in on his friend going down on her. Oh so he wasn't being a dirt ball. She was big.

But he released all the like we were like, wait a minute, you won't kiss anyone, but that his his friend could eat you out in the stairwells, like she was very drunk, like everyone was very drunk, and it was just like that. But then he told everybody and it went like, I mean, how crazy. I was like because of course, I like I wanted to follow up on all the couples that got engaged because I didn't know who anybody wasn't like are they still together? Are

they still together? And that one was like I was grant, like so aally, you know, and I'm like wait, wait what like wait of all the reasons to break up, like what like she didn't even kiss anybody, She's getting eating nobody's room like his friend in the stairwell. What friend was? It was a Daniel. I don't think it was a I don't think it was a bachelor. It was somebody in l a it was isn't that crazy? Yeah, but it was a friend who didn't know they were together,

Like you didn't know that was Ali. I don't know. I was just like the whole thing was like such a it was when you start, I'm very much no spoilers, so when I go, like, I really wait till I don't know how it's gonna end, and so like then when it's done, and it was such a good season and I'm deep diving, the last thing I expected to see was eating out and a sterile. It was just I didn't have any breakup. That detail has never been a detail in any breakup. It was so insane, Katie,

What do you think of all that? I think it's crazy. I didn't watch it though it's great. You know, I keep meaning that I'll be real with you, and you're not gonna like this morning. So I'm just gonna tell you the truth. The first few are a little slow. I'm just going to tell you that. I just know that, and you also know that I'm I'm a psychoing off. I can tell you season two sucked, like you don't

need to. I'll be real with you. It's season one gets better and better it's a blast, and that's that's my. That's my, that's my, that's my. I you were on Joe Joe's. I like JoJo's and I like Caitlin's. Yeah, those were two great seasons. Yeah, it was what's your favorite season to watch? Well, I didn't watch it until I had skin in the game, So I didn't really watch the show until Ben's season, and then so I missed Caitlin's season. She was a great bachelor at there's

a long time that I said that I was. I was from Caitlin's season because it felt like you were. Yeah, And there was just a lot of like right after the show, a lot of severe douchebaggery that was coming from like the dudes from my season, where I was just like, I don't want to be associated with this. Yeah, Like there was just a lot of guys who are partying and I remember, I remember your crowd, I know who it was. Yeah, it was just a lot and I was like, I don't know if I want to

be like associated with this um. But now we're all cool. I mean, like, you know, you get like a fifth teammates of fame, then you go ape shit, I guess and you start making you are eating people out in stairwells. I don't know what happen. You know what I know I would I know that is I cannot wait now that instatiables out, I'm gonna go find somebody and I'm just either I'm gonna go down on a stairwell. I'm just gonna gonna find me at the grove like in

the Parking Star. So I'm doing I'm like, where's my car? I don't know, but I'm having a good time. Here's what. Okay, I have a question for you. I'm asking you about So you're so your brother was the hunky model. So did you consider yourself You're like, did you think because you're a handsome gentleman, do you consider yourself? Like, oh, I'm I grew up with like a nerdy, smart brother. I can't imagine going up with like a model, Like

did it make you feel less than with him? He's so much He's thirteen years older than me, so it didn't really matter. It didn't I didn't really compute for me. Another sister who was like a beauty queen as well, like, um, yeah, wet, wet, wet for sure, of course, the beauty Queen's obviously that's yeah, and so not really. I think my perception I had of myself was I was the funny one of the family, but I was also like the entertainer. I was the baby of the family, so I was always doing wacky

things to get people to pay attention to me. Were you popular in school? Yeah, I think so, sunny. We just talked to Rob Benedict. He was also He was like, I was a funny one. Did you get girls in school? Yes? You did? Yeah? Interesting, Yeah, I I was. I don't know how I did it. Like to this day, I have really outkicked my coverage from the beginning. But I dated a girl who was a year older than me, and she was like known as the hottest girl in school. And were you in so I was a junior and

she was a senior. Okay, that's like the prime time too. And then she went to college and we stayed together. I can't believe, I mean, God bless her, but like and so, and she was hot this where she went to college, and I was coming to like date parties as a senior in high school, which I'm sure it was so embarrassing. Yes, yeah, yeah, but you did it.

I did it, interest killed it so funny, like both Rob and Wells, because in my mind, I feel like a lot of the people that I'm friends with him, that I enjoy, were later bloomers, but you stayed a nice personage because and you have a personal in my mind, the blooming early like like I don't know, I guess, I I guess I think I knew people, but maybe the guys I know, we're funny and they got like

and they got the ladies. In high school, I would say that I only have been successful with females because my personality I had nothing else to do with. I went through a pretty big fat stage. People don't know about that. How fat I had a fat stage. So I'm like one sixty right now. So I played I played rugby in college. I was like beefed up and like I'm like kind of big and um, and I was around like one seventy five at that point one eight and then I got really hurt. I broke my leg.

I had a bunch of surgeries. I ate ice cream. I was very depressed, and I got like one eight five this frame there so and this is when I just first moved to Nashville, and I was living with my best friend's sister who was at Vanderbilt, and I live with two girls and all their story sisters come over and I was just a fat kid, okay, and I couldn't. I couldn't get up dates with them if I tried. How how old were you? This is right out of college? I was like twenty two. How long

did you keep it on? UM? I think I think for a couple of years. It's weird to become I got fat, or later I got I would say around like I'm five three, and I would say it was I college. I was depressed and was I went to the wrong school. I didn't look I went to school in Colorado. UM. I talked about this in the book Act. I found my friend Cheryl, to my best friend, I didn't look at it, and she went and looked at it.

I should have looked at No. I went to c C where it's like but it's like the same whatever, So I didn't look at it. She went, there's like all these hot guys on bicycle, and she was like, let's go those hot guys that I was like, great, let's go, So like I followed her there like an idiot. And then I got out of the car and like just tew like like there was a guy that lived across the Hall of he Me. His name was Ray, and he was a male witch and he had like

a cloak. He was like a word. Yeah, but I saw a merriwitch bowl called I'm like like he had like he was like fight. He had like a wooden he made a sword, you know what I mean. It was like that. It was like and it was just just sort of rich Trustafarian like trust fund Rastafarian white kids. And I was like, WHOA, I should have done That's why I don't. I should have done my research. And like I tried to drop out and then but my mom had already paid for my tuition and they and

so I just made But I just got. I just got. I just started eating ice ice cream and then um. And then I went to Chicago when I was nineteen. I started doing improv there, like I had like I found like an arts program there and it was like I had a fake I d and it was like alcohol and like late night burritos and it was all these gigantic comedy guys like Adam McKay and like all these and they're like six six and so I would just try to keep up with them, and I just

got fatter and fatter. In Chicago, nobody cares because it was like, yeah, then there's no women. But then I wasn't in Chicago. And then when people know you, you're like the little dumpling and it was hard. Were you Second City? I did improv Olympic, but it's where they all were before, um before they go to Second City, but it was like all the UCB founders where there. It's like where everybody kind of started. This guy Dull Close.

So I was nine. It was awesome, but it was like it's weird when you're like, oh, my body has betrayed me, and now people know me. I'm like the curvy friend. Uh. And I remember before I graduated, I was like I'm going to lose this. So nobody in l A ever tells me to lose weight. I was like, I'm just going to jog. So no. Dick was like, we can't think it wasn't an option then, like at that point in time, everybody was like so skinny. I was like I just have to I have to get

this done. I feel like everyone should have a fat stage, and everyone should have like a waiting tables phase, which usually intertwined with one another. Late night, you're smoking, you're drinking. You might be like making out with one of your coworkers. You're making weird decisions. You're like dry humping on like a like like by the by the like ice box. I was a waitress. I was a bad waitress. When did you wait tables? When I was in that well in college and when I was out of college and

I was I was. I was a good waiter in terms of like talking to my tables and like making every one I feel like they're having a good time. But I was a horrible waiter with learning the menu. It's hard. Never learned the menu. It's made. Shut up, it's hard. Yeah. What kind of a restaurant was it? It was called brick Tops. It was like an iteration of Houston's I love the restaurant was good by the I love a chain restaurant, and I there was in Dallas. I was working in Dallas, and I ate every meal

at a offshoot of Houston. Yea, I will do any chain restaurant. It's so funny too, because the last time I was on your show you had Rob on and I was like, it looks so fucking familiar. And we used to watch Waiting when we were waiting tables. Oh my god, and he was on that isn't he isn't Heah, he's the guy who can't peet. And it's so like when we when we waited tables, we watched that show or watch that movie at least once a week because

it was like our citizen kid. Yes, And then it was just so I love that I brought you Waiting and bad. Yeah, I know exactly. My two know you haven't. I just want to and I don't mean to get too real here, but you have been strangely around or near me at very weird moments in my life. I mean, like I did that Outside Lands show with you two weeks after my dad died, and then like you were booked to do my show this last March, and then it's like, hey, guys, like and then my mom died

and like but you still you still did it. Well. I wasn't gonna pile on and be like no, can't you were you freaked out? No, it's feel I feel horrible for you. It was hard. It is horrible I wouldn't recommend it. It's horrible. Yeah, it's horrible. I'm just amazed because you're such like a positive energy. Yeah. I don't know if that happened to me, I think i'd have been like podcast canceled day, I gotta go walk

around a lake or something. I mean, it was a weird thing because like when my dad died, we had you know, we knew it was going to happen at some point soon, and um, it's weird, and I time it was okay. The book deal literally closed the day of her funeral, Like so I've been like trying to sell the thing for years and I get this email like going to the funeral. It's like I hope you're having a great week, Like we're excited to do this book. And I'm like, hey, like there's a might be a

little it's like it might be a little different. Now there's been like a weird event. But like writing it, I realized the podcast like has it's so strange. But I had never been that personal in my stand up. And my dad died on a sun Saturday or Sunday during Paradise, and I remember I had to fly home and like and I made the decision, and like, because my mom like doing the podcast, my brother enjoyed, I

was like, let's just do it. And we did it from the den, and like I remember, there was no hiding that where you were there, and I was curious if it was going to like freak people out. And then people started this emailing in and then and then we had the live show and I'm remember Heightener of course made like the worst joke from the stage and like he freaked out the audience at first. But I remember deciding, like one of the gifts of grief is

like I think your body very much. I find I know exactly who I want to see and who I don't want to see, and what I want to do and what It's so clear I can't fake it. And so I was like, no, I want to go do that. And like the audience was so sweet and so um and just the response of people because like everybody has ship,

so it's been interesting. And then when it happened again, I'm like, I guess, I guess we do it, And in a in a weird way, it helped provide like normalcy for me and my brother and I watched the show together and we took notes together, we did it in the done, and um, it actually like it's I never in a million years what I have thought the Bachelor And in a weird way, like this podcast, I

think I built my own life raft. It's because it keeps you connected to people and something to focus because you have a lifetime of unpacking that, but it's like something to do in the moment that kind of reminds you who you are. I know. I mean, I think I've been trying to figure out this whole thing for a while. And social media can be a horrible place but can also be like a wonderful place. And saying

with podcast, I think they're similar. There's different mediums, um, but like if if done well and done right, really all they are is like a window into your life. And then and then you can have people relate to you, and everyone just wants the people to understand you, you know, like and so when like things like that happened with the podcast or even like on social media, and then you see like an influx of people being like, I

totally relate to what what you're going through. It's a weird, weirdly comforting thing with all like the negatives that there are on social media and on the internet. Like I think those like the two really good things that come out of it. You know, I agree, it's a it's a weird. Um it's a weird thing to also, like I remember even debating, like oh do we for both

of them. We sort of waited like two days to like, okay, this is wait a couple of days and then we put like a we did a thing on like Facebook or like and just so people who knew. But it's it's an interesting thing when your life turns upside down and like you kind of can't hide it, and like there's a way of um, I don't know, I guess what I would say, like and I do talk about this and like the thing like that you can have your worst thing happen and still like still be yourself. Yeah.

It also makes it so you can't like do the thing that you probably shouldn't do, which is like push that emotion down and like not think about and talk about it. If you've got to go on air or whatever, then you have to acknowledge acknowledge it, and then it's it's probably some sort of like nice Kobe mechanism and makes you have to face it, you know. Yeah, I know. I remember thinking like, Okay, in a year, I can either be sad or I can be sad, fat and broke. I was like I just want to be sad, you

know what I mean. And it's like okay, let's just deal with this and like not like not sink the not sink the whole ship. Um you when did you move here? I moved here like a year and a half ago, and um, did you move right? Did you move you? And you and Sarah Highland are getting married? We are, Yeah, we're getting we're engaged. When did you get Did you guys live together right away? Yeah? It was an interesting thing because I was going to move

out here. My contract with my heart had ended, like there was just not much for me to do out in Nashville. I had made like a deal with myself that's been ten years there and if I wasn't married with kids, I would go experience something new I didn't did eleven years. So it was like I gotta go.

I want to go to l A And um. I remember having the conversation because my brother going back to him is a property manager, so he knows where a bunch of apartments were and I was like, um, so I'm looking for and I remember having a conversation with Sarah being like, Okay, so I want to find something kind of close to you, and you know when I need a backyard for the dog and YadA, YadA, YadA. And I remember her being like a little offended that it wasn't like, why don't you just move in with me?

I was like, oh, I don't want to. I don't want to assume that I'm going to live with you. And now she was like, no, that's so weird. Just why wouldn't you move in with me? And so that's how that happened. And that was just very nice and I didn't have to worry about getting anything. And then how was the transition out here super easy? Because I'm from California? California, Yeah, so I can always drive up and see my parents, which of course I never do.

But from northern California girls, Yeah, where are you guys from? Yeah? Francisco, Montere. Yeah, I don't even know if you consider that Bay area, I consider like central that's where the seals are, yeah, and the Otters and the Otters, the Otters, the Otters, So it wasn't a bad weird transition for me. It was actually quite nice. Yeah. Good And are you how did you where did you get engaged in Fiji? Was

it beautiful there? Yeah? It was really amazing. It was just this is a lot of it's it's stressful to get engaged, like to do it, to like execute it and do it well. And for me, it was tough because I was filming in Paradise for the month before, like we were supposed to wrap on like June twenty nine, and we were supposed to leave for Fiji on July third, so like I literally was coming home, not unpacking because it was just beach where anyways, and then going there.

But I had to get the ring and so like, and I was in Mexico, so I had to get the ring before I get all that stuff done before I left for Mexico. So I was like, did you bring it to Mexico. No. I had the window of three days to get the ring once I got back from Mexico before I went to Fiji, and there was like a stress with that and it didn't get almost

didn't get here in time. I know guys say that once they have the ring in their pockets, like burning a hole in their pocket, like all they can think, like, you gotta get rid of it. How so that's a long flight too. Did you act weird? Do you think leading up to it? Did you act it? Were you were like smooth leading up to it? Or I think I was pretty cool. I I think I blew my cover like the day of for sure, But we I put it in my I've told the story before I

put the ring in my I brought my drone. Yeah you did, and because my thought was I'll have the drone hovering and it'll videotape me getting down on a knee and which did I use that footage like on Instagram? Um? But I had the ring in the drone case and when I didn't know this, but when you go to a different country and you bring a drone into the country, they have to inspect it and they have to and you have to like fill out paperwork. Was you there? So we're in customs and Fiji and the guys like

is this a drone? I was like, yeah, it's a drone. We have to inspect this. And then so then I say to him, Okay, hold on, can we go can we do this? In a different room, which I'm sure is not what any t s a I want to hear. Yeah, yeah, we have to go to a different room. So I take we go into the room and I'm like, hey, man, all cool, you can look at this. The engagement rings in there, and I don't. I didn't want them to open it. And then she was going to see the

box and over. Yeah. It was stressful, and it's also burning a hole in your pocket because men, for the most part, never have anything that expensive in their person ever, and it and we're like, men are so stupid that you of course I'm gonna lose this. I lose my phone every thirty seconds, Like I'm gonna lose this very endsive rings. So it's like I gotta I have to give it to you so you can suck it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah yeah, And that was my thought. I remember, And I kept on putting the drone h in the safe and she's like, what did you give this seven drone to dip ship And I was like, no, I got I don't trust depleting crew here. That my drne everyone's my rope, my drone. Yeah, and then so uh yeah, then when when it when it came down to it. She was putting a lot. She knew his comings, and she was putting a lot of makeup. And I was like, why are you get so dressed up? There's a picnic?

And because we're going? Yeah. So then then I pulled a little, you know, because I can act to. I put on a T shirt and bathing trunks or like a tank top, and I was like, what do you think? Is this good? And she goes, I don't know, is it? And I was like, so that, I put on a collar shirt and then we went and then when are you getting married? Is it secret? Oh? We just don't know yet. We haven't really started doing that yet. I think when I think, well, congratulations, that's exciting. Do you

want to get Do you want to get married? Katie? Do you want to get married? M I don't know. I'm weird about contracts. It's the Persian in me. Did you what did your dad think of Zack? Do you think I've spoken to my dad about this? But did they get along? My dad and Zack? Yeah, they're great, a little too great? You know? No, No, I get it, No, I know, I get it. Have you heard that as he's a sorry a bit about marriage. No, what is it? Have you heard it? No, it's so funny. He's like,

the concept of it just ridiculous. I'm gonna butcher because but he's like, the concept of it is ridiculous. You know, you say, hey, put this thing on your finger to prove, to show everyone that your mind, you can't back out, and then sign this piece of paper that that shows that we're going to be together forever until we die. And then she then he goes like, why are we doing this tax reasons? It's so crazy? It is so weird. Are your parents still married? They're split up? Did they

split up? Like right when I was in high school the middle of me going through high school? Yeah? Was it out of the blue? Uh? Kind of? I just I don't know if I was being super perceptive of the whole thing, but it was tough. I was the only one left in the house, so I was having to deal with the fighting and all that kind of stuff from you know, I was choosing sides, which is tough to do. And um, you know, I think everything worked out the way it was supposed to. But her

parents are still together, so that's nice. And we just had the meeting of the parents, which was interesting. It went really well. You know, she's her family's all actors. They're all like Broadway liberal, you know, New Yorkers, and um,

my parents are from Carmel, California. My dad's a doctor, a conservative, you know, like okay, okay, so it's just a lot of money there, and you know, so, um, we were just very nervous, like and then there's impeachment proceedings going on, like like waiting for some of the same I know, the politics stuff. Stuff is tough. It's tough. Um, So we were nervous about that and it ended up you know, I think you never give like your family

as much credit as they deserve. And of course they were going to be fine, but we were stressing about things that we probably didn't need to stress about. And everyone was lovely and it went wonderfully. And my dad and her dad like texting now, and my mom and her mom my friends on Facebook, and I saw that liking pictures, which is terrifying. But here we are. I don't know about you, but things are getting hot in here. I think your break. What what are you doing in

l A. Do you have a radio show? Why? I was doing my radio shows like in l a for Nashville, and I did that for like a year, and as I think, at some point they were like, one, you don't live here anymore, and like, it's weird that you're not going on client calls and stuff. So also the money wasn't super great, so I think we just both

went our separate. What ended up happening was I was I went and filmed a pilot for a different network, so I was gone for a month, and then I had to go film for Paradise for an entire month, so effectively I was gone for like two and a half months. And they were like, dude, you can't. You gotta we gotta figure something out. So then we separate.

So I'm not doing radio anymore. I do two podcasts, um podcast, So I still do y f T Your Favorite Thing, and that's with Brandy Cyrus and that's just a podcast about what our favorite things are that week.

So like Insatiable, we loved the visa. By the way, I have to say, like I've seen your I mean when we first met, I don't know if you were on Shameless, and then you were you were on Shameless there like in the middle of our meeting, yeah, and which is weird because Sarah's best friends with Jeremy who lives on the street from us, and like came to our engagement party in Nattie and uh and then now you're on Insatiable and Sarah's like best friend in the

world is Debbie. Yeah, and so it's like, whatever show you do next, Sarah needs to be love it. I love that Debbie is the best. She's so sweet. Um, I know, she's spoken so highly and like and I know, yeah, because she talks a lot of ship to my face. This was fun of but I made her start watching The Bachelor, and so I remember she met she was with you at the I Heart thing like two years ago, and she was like she because she was like her first year that she had been watching. She watched Becca

and she watched Ari was her first one. But like watching her be so excited for people to find their love journey and that she was with you and she was like Dean's drunk like that, take pictures. It's so fun. Need to watch her fan girl people, and she loves you guys together, no, I know. And I got to meet Josh at like the night before party and so we're best friends now, which is great. Yeah, of course. Obviously I asked him if I could open up for

him as an amateur magician. Can you imagine, Hello Paris like me the world's worst opening act. He was a good sport. He was like, I'll get back to you on that. So I think I'm hoping that that I'm counting on. I think it's probably gonna happen. Said, that's probably gonna happen. Um, okay, you said before we go that you know, we're obsessed with what happened with what happened to Peter's face? How did he count? Did this poor young pilot get twenty one stitches in his face

that you allegedly? What have you sort of around about her? What I heard was, and this is from a pretty reputable source. I heard that, uh um, he was. He was like on a golf cart, you know, like you've been on set, like if you're he was on a golf cart driving somewhere, and he was holding two glasses of champagne and he was for the show. I'm assuming and um, you know, like if you've ever gotten in or out of a golf cart, they've got that like

overhand from what I heard was he got out. He was either getting out and trying to get back into the golf cart and forgot to like duck his head and so when he did that, his head hit the roof of it and then that kind of pushed it down into the glass, and the glass broke and cut his head. You know what, That's the only like I

feel like you actually made it sound plausible. That actually was like, Okay, I believe that because I'm hearing freak accident to alcohol classes day, I just your day drinking, hey, drinking golf clard. I just hear like, who's ready for the nineteenth whol Like I need to see that footage. I'm sorry he has stitches. But then I hear, I mean it's his face fucked up a lot of stitches. Yeah, I don't know, poor guy. I mean, who wants to

go into fantasy suits with that? And I heard that he was like so apologetic about the whole thing and being like did I ruin the show? And you know, the person telling me this was like, what are you talking about? This is the best kind of made. There's going to be an ambulancy. Oh my god, You're right to be continued it'll be a two parter. It'll be

a two partter. I was just trying. I'm glad that it's on his forehead because I was trying to figure out how he could go to like windmill sex like with like cheek, like a cheek, like a full that's a lot of stitches. Have you had, like a face or a head injury? Like it bleeds, that's right, and it bleeds and it's right near your bonus bleeds and bleeds. I bet it was a shit. Yeah. Look, I'm sure

look like a murder you. I mean literally like a full fucking murder, like like just the world's worst, like like somebody had a bad grudge and like just just ship hit the fan. Guys. What a journey we've been on. What a journey. Well, Adams, I'm such a fan of yours. I'm so happy you came to join us. Is there anything you want to there? Anything you need us to know. I just want to say I'm so happy for you and proud of you. First of all, I can't wait

for this book to come out. Well, you guys, please preorder it right now. I need to sell it, Okay, Amazons, there's a link. Little miss little Compton and let me just say this, treat it like for your future self, Like, but you're gonna want to put it off. Don't just go order it now, order one for your friend. Allegedly, to get on the New York Times bestseller you need to sell eight thousand copies. Okay, we can do that. Yeah, it for eight thousand of your friends. I'll sign all

of them. I'll pay you back in in in podcasts. I don't know, guys, I'll sign anything. Thank you. The book is good. I did. I worked hard on it. Well, I'm excited to hear. Have you done an audible version yet? Not yet? Are you gonna voice it? A journey? Okay? So I could I preorder that? Yeah? Like, oh my god? And here I am his middle school Why do I look like for stranger things? Don't worry? She glowed up like that's like seventy eight pages of it. So you're

gonna be on our live show? So you just went on his show? Yeah, he has a daily podcast, which is it seems a lot. I know. I did it, and it was I was on with Kevin Kirkpatrick. From him, it was like I was on the right a boy band girl. No, which actually made it easier for me

to be like how what is happening? Like yeah, which makes it easy I get weirder around like now I'm like kind of a queen instances with like Molly Shannon, who for me as it like growing up, she was the person I watched on TV and like I wanted to be like I loved her and it's hard for it's hard still for me to be cool around like I loved her. Yeah, who was the first celebrity you met? And who have you fun girled out them? Like? Who? Fan boy? Who freaks? Like? Who? Is it hard for

you to be cool around? It's always musicians that I actors for whatever don't give me anxiety. I don't. I don't know why, but yeah, musicians who who like crippled you with like oh my god, it's blah blah blah. Do you know who Wayne Coin is from being called the Flaming Lips, I know the Flaming Lips? Yeah, okay for whatever, So he's really good friends with Miley Cyrus.

This just shows you, like my weird like where I was putting things in perspective, I was it was like after the VMAs and Molly had hosted and I went to because I do. I'm friends with her sister, Brandy, and we went to the after show and it was like Miley Cyrus and like all these famous musicians and then um Wayne Quinn walked in and I was like, Brandy, that's Wayne Quoin. She was like, yes, so who cares? When? When was do you realize even popular song? Yes? And

I was like, oh my god, um so yeah. That was one time where I freaked out. The Chelsea Lately finale. I mean they had like it was like Jennifer Aniston and like Sandra Bullock and Dave Grohl, and I was like, oh my god. Like when Stefan I was like, it's fucking Tim Gone, I'm like, oh my god, it's Tim Gun It make it work like too good? Tim Gone on. Like I like, there was the one that I couldn't Like, I didn't everybody else, like I couldn't believe it was yeah,

Steve Martin. Steve Martin. For me, I could not keep it together. Yeah, I had um when I lived in Nashville. This is so crazy. When I lived in Nashville, the guy who owned our housn named Buddy Miller, who's like a famous session musician and like local musician god. And he was the bandleader for Robert Plant's band called Band of Joy. And so his house was across the street

from ours. And I remember like waiting tables and moonlighting at a radio station, getting back from like a double shift at brick tops, like out in the stoop, smoking a cigarette with like my buddies, and we saw um, Robert Plant, Jeff Bridges, Emmy Lou Harris, and Tebone Burnett all walk into the house and we were all like and this is the time, which I did smoke a lot of pot and I was like, did I see

what there? Yes? That is like And so at the time, because I was like his tenant, buddy would ask me to come over and like help move stuff. And so he was like, hey, man, do you mind you and your friends come over and help us move this two inch real recorder And we were like, so you did it. Yes. I remember walking walking and were lifted up this like forty year old Robert your hair stripe Big Lebowski over here. Oh my god, I need to rewatch The Big Lebowski.

That's such a good movie. So good, Okay. I so a lot of the book I talked about awkward and listen, I truly believe our middle school year. It's so formative and even we can kind of grow and like work around. Please give me a jewel of awkward, wells eyes, give me a middle school story, please, Wells Adams. Okay, um, did you have a shitty gym coach? Do you have a gym teacher? Dude? We had this one. Then this is so not what I was going to tell you. But I want to hear both. I want to hear both.

I went to an all boys Catholic school. Interesting okay, and after pe we had to take showers, and I remember there was one gym teacher who would with a clipboard mark off if you went in the shower naked, and if you didn't, you didn't get marked off. No, I can't even yeah for his own records. I remember being like, why is this important? You knew even at the time, You're like, um, yes, in twenty years, you won't be able to do this, Like I was there

a stuff. You're younger than me, but like there was some ship, like it was there stuff in your school or like that they could never do now an all boys Catholic, he was taught by brothers. Um and I remember Rode Dalton, brother Dalton R I P. He was fucking awesome. He was the boxing coach, but he was also the history teacher. And I remember what great are we in here? Junior sophomore junior high school? High school?

Um he I remember he would do this that he would make a fist and then he'd make his middle knuckle come out and if you like did anything wrong, he would just come by and knuckle kid. And he was the boxing coacht. Fucking see it stars Dalton. And for whatever reason, I looked back at that guy being

so awesome. I mean that's the thing. It's like like there's just certain like I feel like there was like a recklessness that's sort of fun, Like there's a wild adult like like Robin story about people literating, like there's something where's like they're like, what is going on here? You know what I mean? Just like like there's and like at the time, it's like fun and great, and now people would be like, can we see you in our office? Bro Dalton? You know no? I remember Bro Dalton.

Once I fell asleep in class and it became I meant, must start snoring or something. You get niled with a knuckle. No, instead of instead of nailing me with the knuckle, he was like, everyone be quiet and we ended classy did everyone leave? And then I kept sleeping, which meant I missed like the next three classes, which means I would get suspended. A prank, a full prank from a father. Okay, give me the story you were going to tell me.

I one of my best friends, his parents were like super religious, and we went we were skiing in Tahoe or whatever, and I remember she, Mrs Herbert, made dinner for everyone and she made rack of lamb and polenta or something, and we were sitting there eating and I went, Mrs Herbert, your placenta is delicious. Oh my god, Oh my god. Was high school. Everyone just lit up and I was like, what's so funny? This is her? Oh my god. Oh and I've got I've got like a today,

like an nowaday. So when Sarah and I first started um dating, she had just gotten a kidney transplant, and so you can't really get you can't do you can't be intimate intimate, so it was a lot of like makeing out and like grinding and I'm in my thirties at this point, but like, I'm flying out to l A to spend time with this, with this my new girlfriend. And so there was one night where she sent her parents out for a movie, like go to a movie, go to dinner, like paid for it, like get out

of the house. My boyfriend's coming over, we're gonna watch we want some alone time or whatever. And uh so we were we were making out and doing some grinding and we didn't hear parents and so and it's just so funny because I went in my thirties and so she like jumps like jumps off of me. I like run around to like the other side of the couch. Oh my god, Oh my god. I also have to run with like, oh my god, huge, huge. He was like a huge owner. Have you met her parents at

this point? I had, But like once or twice, what did you say? It's like, how's the movie? What did they say? They're artists though there they were probably more losing. Oh yeah, I'm sure they were acting. And uh they went to go see some some movie about tennis and they're like, oh yeah, oh the tennis was like going off and I was just sitting there, just gunched over think I think we were the only three people who saw It's a good movie. I enjoyed it. Um, oh

my god, that what happened? And then I was like, this is Mido over again. Let me ask you, did you like, did you ever sneak out like at night? Like and did you get caught? Like what was your sneakiest Like did you go okay, like an elaborate like I'm gonna tell them I'm at your house, and like was it strict if you went to a Catholic school? Were family strict? Do you have to sneak around? Not really? Because I was the youngest of five, they've given up

on me. We had the house that had the guesthouse that was like the party Like my parents were fine with everyone coming over and would kind of like throw a blind eye to the drinking as long as no

one drove. Rob was the baby, and Rob also had the party house, and I think he's was one of how many it's interesting, it's interesting, But I did used to hook up with the girl that lived I lived on a golf course and so she lived like up then, yeah you did, and so I used like it's so funny, but like I would sneak out and sneak into like climb through the window and and make out with her whatnot. And I remember one night her dad knocked on the door and I'd go hide in the closet and I

have never been more terrified in my life. That's fun though, Sneaking around is fine. Well, and my dipship friends they knew that, Like I was in there hooking up and they were all jealous, so they would fault. They would calm, and they would throw rocks at the roof. I mean to try to. That's it's fun about it. I love a dipship friends. Are you still friends with your high

school friends? Yes? To me, there's sometimes there's nothing funnier than some of your child Like some of my childhood friends are the funniest fucking like they're just regular lady, They're just so fucking fun. There's something about going through that age, like ten to seventeen or eighteen with somebody. It's like because you're banding together and you're like sneaking out and doing stuff. Did you get in trouble, Anna, Yeah, I got in trouble a lot. Why what would you do?

I mean, I was had like very strict Persian parents and like a very Muslim mother who always was like God's watching. I'd be like, yeah, fuck off. So and I liked drugs, so I was I was living. I was living. Did they know you were high? Uh? Well, yeah, I think I was just acting. I think it was quite clear I was acting weird and like coming home and being like, how I gotta go to my room? Yeah? Did you get in trouble, Katie? I bet you didn't.

My parents were pretty lax, Like I used to come home high and my dad would suck with me, like I've been sitting there. Oh he knew because he smoked weed, like we smoked weed together, and you know, a cool northern California family. I would be sitting there like watching cartoons and he cereal and he'd walk in and be like, you look like you want some chocolate. And I'd be like, do we have chocolate? And he'd be like no, you just like look like you really want chocolate right now.

And then one day I remember he like I had to move my car for some reason, and I had like a pipe and a lighter and uh and uh, your eye drops in the glove compartment or I thought they were but I went back in my car and everything was just like perfectly like set on the dashboard, like he found it and he just put it right there to be like, look what I found. I like that your dad did that. He just funk with me

all the time. I got chipped off to boarding school because we didn't have a high school in my town or anywhere nearby, and so in some ways, I know, like the school was the authoritarian, you know, Like so it's like that was like I didn't have to rebel against my parents so much as like we were in lockdown. It was sort of fun because you're like trying to figure out how to escape your dorm and it was co ed. You'd figure out like we'd like like figure

out where to meet, you know. It was terrifying, and fun was the opposite. I went to We went like on a family trip to England when I was fourteen, and like they don't care there. My dad's like, go order a beer, and I want to order to gain us because that's the only beer I knew the name of. And then he made me drink it and then laughed at me because they hated it. I do write a chapter in my book about the first time I tried

wine was at my friend's house. She like, we grew up, you know, TV blaring, you come over, it's gonna be like iceberg Lettas entertainment tonight like during just like not elegant.

And my friend's house had like their family was so elegant, and they were like doctors and they played cellos and they had like leather bound copies of the New Yorker and like it was just like roast chicken, and they were so they felt like a Western Anderson family, like Sofia Coppola, Like they ate figs in a rugla and like bostamic vinegar. And I was like, I was like what and so? And I remember they were intimidating and like their grandfather helped start the new like they were

so smart. And I remember I was like sixteen and they just gave me wine, and I so I quietly just kept fulling it up all night and eventually had like a full like wine teeth, like full blue wine mustache and wine teeth and like completely started like throwing up later and then like a key us the mom of giving me food poison. I panic and I blamed it. I was like it was your bad, like full ship bag, no accountability, just asks, just such an ass hat. I

remember playing Go to the Head of the Class. I'm losing and they were so smart and I'm like this having more wine. It wasn't a pretty night. I just I just got nervous and I pianic. I pianic placenta. You know what, Mrs Work, I'm your placenta. You placenta is delicious. I mean, man, am I compliments? Wells Adams, we will you come play with us this year during the season or you do? You have your own Bachelor podcast? Can you come do? Can you come do them with us? Great?

Of course, terrific. You're in m thank you for joining us. Order your books? Will I'll sign anything, We'll do giveaways. I don't not to dig because I don't know what I'm going I don't know what I'm giving away, but there you go. Well, thank you and listeners. Thank you, Katie Anna. That's it. Bye. Oh yeah, it all up in your tonight. I feel so good. I just got one of the questions. When you reach this role, you reaccept this roles into your word. You read some of

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