Ben and I got together on Zoom the other day and had a short albeit rich discussion about different kinds of grief. The different layers of grief, the different names for grief. And in doing that I started thinking about how pivotal grief is in our lives and how sad it is that we spend most of our life running away from it, trying to ignore it or making excuses for it. We’re going to continue this discussion. We just hadn’t talked in a while and Ben called to check in and there you have it. I ho...
Jun 20, 2025•18 min
Have you ever found yourself questioning how much you can let yourself be seen? How open you want to be about how you really feel about something? How honest you are comfortable being with friends and family, how safe you feel in different relationships? And when we know someone needs us to be a certain person, to show up in their life in a certain way, how does that feel when it is not how we are feeling inside in that moment? Join Ben and I as we discuss the truth, the trust, the risks and the...
May 30, 2025•32 min
Please join me as I welcome Isa Catto to this episode of Where the Veil Grows Thin. Isa Catto's daughter, Bailey, left Colorado for a dream job on Broadway. A charismatic, intellectual, smart, funny young woman, Bailey died just days after graduating high school when she took a drug laced with Fentanyl. Isa graciously agreed to come talk about what Bailey's life was like up until that moment and how her death has disrupted, shattered and reshaped their lives. For more on Isa, please subscribe to...
Apr 25, 2025•47 min
Join Ben and I as we explore the random encounters in life and the depth and richness that can be found in those moments. We talk about the way reminders of mortality, whether our own or someone else’s, change us. And what we do with what we learn when we wake up and step out into the world. Next episode I'll be welcomg Isa Catto to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can learn more about her at isacatto.com. Ben briefly mentioned dyingtoserve.com in this episode. Thank you for listening to Where the...
Apr 18, 2025•21 min
Defining faith is a personal, intimate thing to be asked to do. Join Ben LeRoy and I as we step into the conversation that lead us to realize that what we were talking about was just that; a definition of faith. Different for everyone. And important to have if we want to be able to move through our days and nights and come out relatively intact. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.c...
Mar 07, 2025•14 min
Join Ben and I as we talk about the idea of metastatic joy and goodness; the question of how to spread goodness and the idea that it is so ingrained in us to not talk about the things we do that are good, that we forget how important it is to talk about the good things others are doing in our communities thus inspiring more of that to grow. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com....
Feb 18, 2025•28 min
Recently I shared the poem "Proxy" by Gloria Heffernan. Join me now in listening to my conversation with her about the way grief and loss have helped her learn the importance of being a peaceful presence in the world. About this episode of Where the Veil Grows Thin: Gloria Heffernan is the author of the poetry collection, What the Gratitude List Said to the Bucket List (New York Quarterly Books) and Exploring Poetry of Presence: A Companion Guide for Readers, Writers, and Workshop Facilitators (...
Jan 25, 2025•34 min
Join me and my dear friend, Sonja Linman, for a 30 min conversation about grief, the great denominator of humankind....the most common thread that connects us all. We talk about our lives working with children who are grieving. How they so beautifully teach us what they need from us or the times when they cannot how we have to trust we have it in us somewhere. We talked about Sonja being a monthly guest to talk in her unique and wise ways about grounding, having an open heart, listening in still...
Dec 13, 2024•27 min
I wanted this to be between 5 and 6 minutes and I'll get there some day but this week our moment of meditation/reflection is just over 7 minutes. Hopefully, it will be 7 minutes well spent. It is December 6th. We have just over 4 more weeks of what I'm calling 'the holidays'. And then, Valentine's Day. These reminders, often of things we've lost, don't stop. Learning to ground in those moments of disruption can be a helpful tool and this meditation is just one suggestion for a way to do that. Th...
Dec 06, 2024•7 min
Please join Ben and I to explore just what it means to feel cowardice and show up anyway; what it means to doubt and question our ability to open ourselves to failure and show up anyway; what it means to trust. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Nov 22, 2024•31 min
May this 13 minute meditation help remind you to love yourself exactly as you are. May it help you remember you have something to offer the world. May it help you find a moment of solace and comfort and safety in an otherwise crazy day. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Nov 15, 2024•13 min
This short 9 minutes is offered as a way to help us remember that we've got this, we really are ok and we have this wonderful way of centering in goodness and light. We can all be visionaries! Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Nov 08, 2024•10 min
This 9 minute episode reflects on a lesson learned long ago. Initially through tears of sadness and feeling lonely and later understanding the honor and the sanctity of that loneliness. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Nov 01, 2024•9 min
Sometimes, in less than 10 minutes, we can recalibrate and re-align with a clearer understanding and a renewed connection. I hope for some, this 'less than 10 minutes' feels worth the listen. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Oct 25, 2024•8 min
This guided imagery is one that uses the vision of a mountain lake on a beautiful summer day. These offerings are best utilized at home or anywhere that you can create the space necessary to listen with your eyes closed. I hope it eases you into your weekend with a greater sense of peace. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Oct 11, 2024•9 min
A couple of weeks ago I wrote about a sleepless night spent thinking about my death. Since then, I’ve had a couple of people ask me what I have seen happen to others when the reality of their death becomes very clear. What kinds of ‘shifts’ in their day to day life? What kinds of shifts in their focus? Do priorities rearrange suddenly? Join Ben and I as we discuss some of the ways people approach their own mortality. You can also watch this episode on YouTube here . Thank you for listening to Wh...
Oct 01, 2024•22 min
This is the first offering of a guided meditation. It will ask, if you are willing, that you listen with your eyes closed. Please don't try to listen and drive, or listen and cook, or listen and do anything else. I can promise you, it will lose something if you do. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Sep 27, 2024•8 min
I thought this would be my first podcast of guided imagery. Not exactly meditation. Not in the sense some of you may be used to. These will be moments of grounding, thoughtful words of possibility, offerings of ‘what if’. This first one requires nothing of you but a listening ear. Next week, I’ll ask a bit more of you if you are willing. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com....
Sep 20, 2024•11 min
A very short 'little something' I wrote to close a weekly meeting of cancer patients. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Sep 13, 2024•4 min
When things happen, completely out of the blue, do they really come from nowhere? Are they really, just, a coincidence? Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Aug 30, 2024•5 min
It was a 10 hour day working a rare shift at the hospital and it is pretty well captured in this 18 minute episode. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Jul 21, 2024•20 min
This 22 minute is episode is base on a talk I wrote when I was asked to speak at the local Methodist Church. It is based on a conversation Ben and I had recently about hospice and NODA trainings and whether or not I thought the things we teach in those trainings could help people in everyday living right now while the world seems so chaotic. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com....
Jun 30, 2024•22 min
Another meaningful conversation with Ben Leroy about avoiding falling on the double edged sword of internal pressure to be and do everything and external pressure to be and do more. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Jun 08, 2024•24 min
A brief episode this week. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
May 26, 2024•4 min
In this episode Ben and I are talking about things we can all do to alleviate some of the difficulties so many people face when a loved one has died with nothing taken care of. It was a rich discussion when we started to record it so it begins a bit abruptly. We will re-visit this topic soon. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
May 19, 2024•22 min
In this episode we begin to look at the varying ways grief is altered when someone dies as a result of suicide. If you have never known anyone who died from suicide, you may not understand and if you have, you absolutely will. This was not an easy episode to write. And in recording it I realize there is so much more we can talk about when talking about the devastation left in the wake of most suicides. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you ge...
May 12, 2024•14 min
In this weeks 17 minute episode I am joined again by Ben LeRoy to talk about the way hospice experiences and trainings can carry over into a world that feels chaotic and unstable. We explore the possible benefits for daily practices that help keep us grounded as we leave our homes to do whatever it is we need to do. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
May 05, 2024•17 min
In this 11 minute episode, I share my personal and private thoughts about time. How I see it, how it impacts my daily life and I wonder aloud if I am alone. And, I don’t think so... Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com....
Apr 28, 2024•12 min
In this 12 minute piece I am speaking about the state of the world and whether or not it is better or worse than we found it when we were born. Offering some ideas about how we, as individuals, might effect change and how we, as communities, already do. Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Apr 21, 2024•13 min
Is it ever too late to make amends with somebody? To say the thing that is on your heart? What if our bucket lists weren't filled with trips to far away places, but in making sure we've made our peace with the people in our lives who have had an impact? Thank you for listening to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can always get these wherever you get your podcasts or for more information, visit seanjeung.com.
Apr 14, 2024•10 min
