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Wheel Talk

Ryan Durbin & Becca Otiswww.wheeltalkpotcast.com

Ryan Durbin (@rdceramics) & Becca Otis (@5linespottery) share their experiences as potters, makers, small business owners, and creatives. Becca is a full time studio potter, while Ryan is a full time website developer and part time potter. We'd love to share our ups and downs along the way as we build our skills as makers and small business owners in an honest, informal manner. We hope to bring you helpful tips we've learned over the years, learn from each other, and share expertise from a number of guests with you also. Please join us for some Wheel Talk!

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Episodes

#311 - Creativity vs. Exhaustion: Managing Burnout as Artists

Ryan & Becca discuss the realities of balancing work and life as artists, sharing thoughts on preventing burnout and navigating career transitions. They also highlight the importance of self-care, building support systems, and offer strategies for coping with art show rejections. Maker of the Moment Tara Underwood - @tara.underwood Tanya Everard - @tanyaeverard Listener Questions On this episode: How do you handle not getting accepted into markets? I recently got rejected from 5 events and I...

Jul 12, 20252 hr 35 minEp. 311

#310 - Finding What Works (for Us) on Social Media

As Wheel Talk approaches its 6-year anniversary, Ryan and Becca reflect on the podcast’s growth and the incredible community that’s formed around it. Ryan shares highlights from his recent anniversary trip to Hawaii, and the conversation shifts to social media—what's working, what's not, and how they're each approaching content creation and engagement. They break down their current posting strategies, including the continued success of Ryan’s Mug Monday series. Plus, they welcome a brand-new spo...

Jul 05, 20251 hr 35 minEp. 310

#309 - Wages, Worth, and Working for Yourself

Ryan & Becca explore the realities of small business finances—from paying livable wages and employee compensation to navigating the shift from salaried work to self-employment. This episode follows a slightly different format, and we hope you enjoy the conversation. Sponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find your L&L kiln at hotkilns.com Support the show on Patreon for as little as $3 per month: https://patreon.com/Wheeltalkpodcas...

Jun 28, 20251 hr 41 minEp. 309

#308 - Converting Followers Into Buyers

Ryan and Becca kick off with a recap of Ryan’s recent Nashville workshop. The episode then centers on a listener question about converting social media engagement into actual sales—especially when platform limitations make linking to your shop tricky. They share practical tips for navigating those challenges, Becca’s van upgrades, and marketing strategies. Maker of the Moment Jessica Guerrero - @pottedbyjess Ronan Kyle Peterson - @caterboy Listener Questions On this episode: How does Instagram, ...

Jun 21, 20251 hr 33 minEp. 308

#307 - Building a Soda Kiln: Materials, Costs, and Lessons Learned

In this episode, Ryan shares his recent visit to Isaac Shue's gallery opening in Kansas and offers practical advice on building and maintaining a soda kiln—including materials, costs, and construction tips. He also discusses upcoming pottery workshops, sourcing studio equipment, and the value of sharing knowledge within the ceramics community. Resources Sign up for Ryan's soda workshop Maker of the Moment Maddie Sawatzky - @maddiemadepottery Becky - @hawthorn_ceramics Listener Questions On this ...

Jun 14, 20252 hr 16 minEp. 307

#306 - New Job, New Chapter: Navigating Change with Grace

In this episode, Becca opens up about her recent transition into a new job and the mental health challenges that came with it. She shares her experience stepping away from pottery and social media, reflecting on how that break impacted her creativity, identity, and personal relationships. Ryan joins the conversation with thoughtful questions about Becca’s evolving work life, her approach to personal growth, and the strategies she’s using to support her mental and physical well-being. We're grate...

Jun 07, 20252 hr 5 minEp. 306

#305 - Art & Fear with Taylor Swilley

Ryan and Becca return for the fifth chapter of the podcast book club, diving into Art & Fear: Observations on the Perils (and Rewards) of Artmaking by David Bayles and Ted Orland. Joined once again by Taylor Swilley, they unpack key takeaways and reflect on how the book’s themes resonate with their own creative practices and businesses. Our next book club selection is Boy in a China Shop: Life, Clay and Everything by Keith Brymer Jones with plans to release the episode in July or August. See...

May 31, 20252 hr 23 minEp. 305

#304 - How Much Is Too Much to Pay for a Booth?

In this episode, Ryan and Becca dive into the nitty-gritty of participating in art shows—from understanding different fee structures to handling logistics and boosting your profits. They break down common models, including flat booth fees, low table fees with commissions, and hybrid setups. Plus, stick around for a listener question about surviving rainy art shows and drying out your work and display afterwards. Maker of the Moment Meredith Bradley - @cityinbloomceramics Rachel DePauw - @depauwp...

May 24, 20251 hr 50 minEp. 304

#303 - Where the Time Goes—And What You’re Earning with Heidi Fahrenbacher

Ryan & Becca welcome back Heidi Fahrenbacher of Bella Joy Pottery to catch up on her new studio build and share advice on a few business topics. They dive into Ryan’s current work hours and revenue from pottery as a side hustle, and how tracking these metrics can offer valuable insights for your own business. The conversation also covers Etsy sales strategies and tips for providing great customer service. Lastly, Becca proposes an interesting challenge for the group. Maker of the Moment Autu...

May 17, 20252 hr 32 minEp. 303

#302 - What to Make for Spring Shows

Ryan and Becca catch up on recent life updates and share what’s on the horizon for Ryan’s upcoming shows. They also dive into ideas for spring show inventory, discussing functional and decorative forms that are popular this time of year, plus a few seasonal items to keep in mind for later in the year. Maker of the Moment Maritza Leon @the.introverted.potter Dani Chevalier @asketchypotteryshop Sponsors L&L Kilns - The durable kiln that potters trust to fire evenly & consistently. Find you...

May 10, 20252 hr 14 minEp. 302

#301 - The Jigger and Jolly Journey with Jody Lewis of Good Wheel Ceramics

Ryan and Becca are joined by Jody Lewis of Good Wheel Ceramics, a Canadian potter whose journey from hobbyist to full-time artist is as thoughtful as his work. Jody shares how he incorporates jiggering and jollying techniques into his process and reflects on what it's been like balancing his growing pottery business alongside his partner’s demanding career as an ER doctor. The conversation also explores his future plans for expanding the studio with the help of an assistant. A big thanks to Jody...

May 03, 20252 hr 56 minEp. 301

#300 - The Art of Teaching Workshops with Tzipporah Schvarcz from Sipor Ceramics

Ryan and Becca welcome back Tzipporah Schvarcz of Sipor Ceramics for her third appearance to dive into the ins and outs of hosting and teaching pottery workshops, both in-person and online. They explore marketing strategies, pricing, the rise of virtual summits, and how workshop formats have evolved. Plus, they reflect on recent NCECA experiences and teaching approaches. Maker of the Moment Feldi @feldistudios Jon Stein @jsteinpottery Mostly Kosher @mostlykosher ----- Find more about Tzipporah's...

Apr 26, 20252 hr 24 minEp. 300

#299 - Making the Most of NCECA—Without Breaking the Bank

Ryan and Becca share highlights from their recent trip to Salt Lake City for the annual NCECA pottery conference. They dive into the highs and lows of the experience, explore practical ways to navigate the costs of attending, and reflect on what they’d do differently next time. Whether you’re a seasoned conference-goer or planning your first NCECA, this episode offers insight, tips, and a candid look behind the scenes. Maker of the Moment Scott Jones - @sj_ceramics Carrol Harris - @carolharris91...

Apr 19, 20252 hr 29 minEp. 299

#298 - Show season strategy with Isaac Shue

Ryan is back with Isaac Shue to share practical tips for pricing pottery, creating effective displays, and making the most of art fairs and festivals. They also talk through website strategy, studio expansion, and the challenges of balancing a creative business with life’s demands—all while answering listener questions along the way. Maker of the Moment Charlotte Grenier @ateliergrenier Kate Marotz @kate.marotz ----- Find more about Isaac's business below----- Instagram - @isaacshueisart & @...

Apr 12, 20252 hr 43 minEp. 298

#297 - Between Two Podcasts with Mike Griffin of Between Two Ewers

Ryan & Becca are joined by Mike from Mike Griffin Ceramics and the Between Two Ewers podcast to chat about the difference between capital ‘P’ and lowercase ‘p’ potters, Ryan’s day job, bisque mug butts, mid-range soda workshops, and more. Catch the video version on YouTube via Between Two Ewers . ----- Find more about Mike's business and podcast below----- Instagram - @mike_griffin_ceramics & @betweentwoewers YouTube - Between Two Ewers Website - Mike Griffin Ceramics Sponsors L&L Ki...

Apr 05, 20252 hr 1 minEp. 297

#296 - Beyond Social Media: Why Your Mailing List Matters with Heidi Fahrenbacher from Bella Joy Pottery

Ryan sits down with Heidi Fahrenbacher to dive into the world of email marketing and how potters can make the most of their mailing lists. They also chat about time management strategies and the ongoing challenge of balancing productivity with creativity. Plus, they touch on the overwhelm that comes with managing all the moving pieces of a pottery business. Maker of the Moment Carter Pasma - @cartersclay Julia - @uglyduckpottery ----- Find more about Heidi's business below----- Instagram - @bell...

Mar 29, 20252 hr 24 minEp. 296

#295 - Craft Show Chaos: Managing the Busy Season

Ryan and Becca dive into the ups and downs of running their pottery businesses, sharing experiences from craft shows, strategies for managing busy seasons, and the nitty-gritty of pottery production. They swap tips on choosing the right art markets, keeping inventory in check, and making sure the hustle stays fun (and profitable). Plus, they chat about kiln maintenance, booth setups, and what makes different pottery events worth the effort. Maker of the Moment Oliver Estes - @estes.ceramics Donn...

Mar 22, 20251 hr 51 minEp. 295

#294 - Mastering ceramic decals with Isaac Shue

Ryan and Isaac Shue discuss preparations for Gallery Mostasa's spring show, covering pottery production, glaze techniques, and marketing. They dive into ceramic decals for customization, along with pricing strategies, custom order challenges, and future plans for wholesale mug production. Maker of the Moment Austin Riddle @austinriddlepottery Nathan Bray - @braypottery ----- Find more about Isaac's business below----- Instagram - @isaacshueisart & @gallery.mostaza Listeners Questions On this...

Mar 15, 20252 hr 18 minEp. 294

#293 - Side hustle or full-time? Weighing the pros and cons

Ryan and Becca discussed the pros and cons of running a side business versus full-time self-employment, emphasizing the importance of routines and boundaries. They also touched on financial planning, upcoming events, and the differences between working solo and in a team environment. Maker of the Moment Em Gabriel - @emgabrielart Ray Brown - @rlbrown1995 Listeners Questions On this episode: When using underglaze, do you prefer to paint on greenware, or do you paint on bisque? Are there advantage...

Mar 08, 20252 hr 10 minEp. 293

#292 - Q&A Part X

Ryan & Becca are back with another Q&A episode! They answer a range of questions from wedging tables to storing your inventory efficiently to developing new product lines. Thanks to everyone who continues to send us questions on Instagram and by email! Maker of the Moment Sara Tolbert - @saratolbertceramics Preston Tolbert - @preston.tolbert Eric Beavers - @ericbeaverspottery Resources The Complete Guide to Low-Fire Glazes for Potters and Sculptors by Ben Carter Sponsors L&L Kilns - ...

Mar 01, 20251 hr 30 minEp. 292

#291 - Profit First with Taylor Swilley

Ryan and Becca return for the fourth chapter of the podcast book club, diving into Profit First by Mike Michalowicz. Joined once again by Taylor Swilley, they explore key takeaways and connect the book’s themes to their own businesses. They also discussed various aspects of business management, including client relationships, debt management, and employee management, and considered implementing the profit-first accounting method. Our next book club selection is Art & Fear: Observations on th...

Feb 22, 20252 hr 34 minEp. 291

#290 - Building a ceramic collection, one mug at a time – with Layla Lynn, aka The Mug Maiden

Ryan & Becca are joined by Layla Lynn, also known as the Mug Maiden, a passionate ceramic mug collector with an impressive collection of over 700 pieces. Layla shares her love for handmade ceramics and dives into her experiences within the ceramics community, from building relationships with artists to buying and unboxing handmade work. They also discuss packaging practices, the potential for exhibiting collections, and a unique fundraising initiative Layla is currently pursuing. Plus, she h...

Feb 15, 20252 hr 8 minEp. 290

#289 - The art & business of ceramic jewelry with Deanna Poelsma from Glazed & Confused Creations

Ryan & Becca chat with Deanna Poelsma from Glazed & Confused Creations about the art and business of ceramic jewelry. They discuss clay types, firing processes, tools, and materials for crafting and displaying ceramic jewelry. Deanna shares insights on booth setup, marketing strategies, and equipment for powering lights at craft fairs. They also explore the challenges and rewards of selling handmade jewelry and tips for standing out in a competitive market. ----- Find more about Deanna's...

Feb 08, 20252 hr 30 minEp. 289

#288 - Authentic growth & "The Essential Pottery Notebook" with Kara Leigh Ford

Ryan & Becca are joined by Kara Leigh Ford, a potter based in the United Kingdom, to discuss her journey from a full-time career in marketing to building a thriving pottery business. Kara shares her insights on pricing handmade ceramics, selling at markets, and navigating online sales. They also dive into the realities of running a pottery studio, from workspace setup and workflow to shipping logistics. The conversation explores Kara’s approach to Patreon, her evolving relationship with soci...

Feb 01, 20252 hr 24 minEp. 288

#287 - Making progress: From setting goals to staying inspired

Ryan and Becca kick off the episode by answering listener questions about point-of-sale systems and the enjoyable (and less enjoyable) parts of their making process. Then, they dive into the topic of the day: setting achievable goals to improve your pottery skills for the long term. Along the way, they share practical tips for staying realistic and making meaningful progress in your creative journey. Maker of the Moment Lisa Zolandz - @lisazolandz Yu Tanaka - @Yutanaka89 Resources Sign up for on...

Jan 25, 20252 hr 20 minEp. 287

#286 - Simple steps to organize your business finances

Ryan and Becca dive into the importance of maintaining separate bank accounts for business transactions, efficiently tracking expenses, and staying on top of quarterly tax payments. They also discuss the value of understanding business structures and managing finances, sharing helpful resources for every stage of your business journey. Maker of the Moment Hayden Swanson - @livinthedreampottery Ishara Sweeney - @I.e.ceramics Resources Kiln Management and Repair with Becca Otis - February 12th at ...

Jan 18, 20252 hr 2 minEp. 286

#285 - New year, new focus

Ryan and Becca kick off the new year by sharing their personal and professional goals for 2025. They dive into strategies for improving time tracking in their small business, discuss aspirations like securing a role with Speedball, and outline financial and marketing goals. They also explore potential collaborations with consignment shops and the opportunities offered by platforms like Faire for expanding their sales. Tune in for an inspiring start to the year! Did you buy an L&L Kiln recent...

Jan 11, 20252 hr 33 minEp. 285

#284 - Reflections on 2024: Business Wins and Challenges

Ryan and Becca reflect on their 2024 business journeys, sharing the highs and lows and evaluating whether they met their goals. They dive into their financial strategies, the importance of tracking expenses and income, and the lessons learned along the way. The episode wraps up with a discussion of their unique skills, perspectives, and Ryan’s insights from working with the soda kiln this year. Resources Try Hurdlr with Becca's referral code Join Ryan's waitlist for a bookkeeping workshop Maker ...

Jan 04, 20252 hr 31 minEp. 284

#283 - Essentials for a small studio

Ryan and Becca share some strategies for boosting attendance at upcoming workshops, emphasize the value of clear communication and marketing, and offer tips for optimizing studio spaces. They also explores affordable kiln firing options for beginners and introduces an exciting new podcast segment spotlighting emerging potters. Maker of the Moment Casia Joy - @casiajoyart Ali Schorman - @ali_schorman Listener Questions On this episode: - Just started listing and my first one was the "Hands-on tip...

Dec 28, 20242 hrEp. 283

#282 - Handling problematic customers & soda kiln visions

Ryan and Becca share candid experiences with challenging customers and explore how their personalities and appearances can shape these interactions. Wrapping up the episode, they discuss the dream of Ryan building a soda kiln in the backyard and the logistics of installing a gas line for the project. Listeners Questions On this episode: - What are you most proud of accomplishing in each of your pottery journeys? @paisleysoulpottery - Can you share some examples of past problematic customers? @bl...

Dec 21, 20241 hr 23 minEp. 282
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