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And disclaimer, the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel. With that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation. Go ahead. Hi, I'm Tira Hawes. I'm 23 years old. I'm from Ohio, and I'm a mental health advocate on TikTok and Instagram, but I'm also a waitress on the side. All right. Welcome. What about you? Hi, my name is...
Hi, my name is Hannah Record. I am an actor by occupation. I prefer not to answer the number of my age because it could potentially out me for other roles. And I live in Los Angeles. Okay. And explain the, we've had this before, explain the like refusing to share the age thing. So when you're trying to act to be a younger age in a production, they want you to be within a certain age range.
age range even if you look like you belong in that age range if you don't like biologically belong they might not cast you so it's important not to disclose your age I don't really get it though like it doesn't make sense to me like you look how you look yeah you know my mother agent told me to do it I don't know I just follow what I'm supposed to do but why do you and um
Have you had any roles in like any films or TV shows? I do right now a lot of vertical like soap operas. They're like on Instagram. People get ads for them sometimes, but I do a lot of those. I've done student films, short films, stuff like that. And like you have an agent with like a...
You have a talent agent or? I'm in the process of getting a acting talent agent, but I do have a modeling talent agent because I've done that since I was about 10. So I've been in the entertainment industry for a while. And they tell you that for both modeling and acting? Yes, modeling especially. You're never supposed to disclose. but it's age. Okay. Yeah. I could see it a little, it seems like a bit more plausible for modeling than acting, but I don't know.
What I don't understand, though, if this was the case, why do we know the exact date of birth of the most famous models and actresses? So a lot of models will lie about their age until they get to stardom, and then it doesn't really matter because... They won't get out of bed for less than a million. So it really just depends on how big you are. Okay. What about you?
My name is Andrea Johnson. I am 34 and I am from Southern California. And my occupation, I am a marketing director. Okay. All right. What about you? I am Mary Grace Langhorne. I'm 23. I'm from Santa Barbara, California, and I'm a surgical assistant. Okay, cool. What kind of... Like you work with a specific surgeon or. I work in a pain management practice. So typically we have like five surgeons. Okay. We know them pretty well. And they're the same surgeries. Orthopedic.
surgery kind of like spinal cord stimulators okay but you're not like doing like gastrointestinal no no it's like spine spinal me i see okay cool what about you Hi, I'm Kayla Hardy. I'm 25, and I'm in Malibu, and I'm a fashion model. All right, welcome. What about you? Hi, my name is Tanjay. I'm 26, and I'm a singer-songwriter and an actress, and I'm from L.A.
All right. What about you? Hi, my name is Sinalee Barrett. I am a waitress and a barista. I work two jobs. I also go to school for my bachelor's in science nutrition. All right. And where are you from? Did you say where are you from? I'm from Ohio. Okay. Sorry, I missed this. Age? I'm 25. 25. All right. What about you?
What's going on? My name is Eric Hutchins, a.k.a. Illa Safuku. You can find me on YouTube and Instagram. I do social commentary. I'm a full-time... project management quality construction manager um i work with uh fiber optics but on the side i also do content um peace to everybody in the chat all right uh age 39 39 and where are you from Originally from Newark, New Jersey by way of Charlotte, North Carolina. All right. Welcome, everybody. Oh, Brian Atlas, 35.
owner, host, whatever podcast, over the hill, washed up, has been YouTuber. Uh, Andrew, what about you? Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of The Crucible. It's a popular entertainment channel on YouTube. I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and occasionally like to get into conversations and debates with people.
All right. Welcome everybody. So we're going to go around the, actually wait, before we get into relationship status, uh, educational background. So college. I went to college, but I dropped out during COVID. Okay. Yeah. All right. So you did some undergrad? Yeah, I went for social work. Okay. Yeah. What about you? I did like a conservatory program through NYFA, but no like real college. Okay. What about you?
I have my master's in business administration. Okay. And what about bachelor's? Bachelor's in psychology. In psychology. Okay. All right. What about you? I have an AA, a bachelor's, and a... in a vocational degree for surgical. What were they in? AA was in music, vocal performance, and then bachelor's in biomedical science. All right. What about you? I have a bachelor's in journalism and an associate's in theater.
Okay, cool. I have a master's in marketing and a bachelor's in computer science, cybersecurity. Oh, interesting. Okay. I graduate in six months with my bachelor's in science nutrition. Okay, very cool. And then any school for you? I didn't go to college. I got certified in HVAC, and I worked with children. I'm a paraprofessional as well, but no, I didn't attend college. Okay. Straight to the field. all right cool and uh a couple of you are singers who's a singer singer you sing that's it
You don't want me to sing. I was going to say you don't want me to sing. You don't want me to sing. You're singing, right? Let's hear something. You're so on the spot. You played around and this is not the time To take my heart and toss it on the ground You said you'd stop What you got? Not that. I do not got that. Okay. Okay. Fine.
And I wish you the best for the rest of my life Felt sorry for you when I told you a lie It wasn't you there you go for sure very cool very cool all right uh so going around the table what's everybody's current relationship status so are you single
Talking stage, situationship, married, friends, whatever it is. If you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in, starting with you? Currently single. I don't know if I'm talking to someone, if that makes sense. We're in the middle of that. My longest relationship was three years, and I have been single for almost two years now. Okay. A year and a half, two years, yeah. All right.
What about you? I am currently in a committed relationship and my longest relationship was seven years. All right. Is that the current relationship? That is the current relationship. I see. Okay. All right. Going back to you really quick. You've been single for two years. But in that two-year period, what's the longest period of time you were dating a guy?
Maybe a month. One month? Yeah, maybe. All right. I'm quick to like, if I don't, if you're not up to my standard now, out of here. Not up to your standard? Yeah. I don't even ask for a lot, in my opinion. What do you ask for? To have a job. Job. To have a car. Car. An apartment. Apartment. Can you meet your needs? I'm not meeting their needs. Okay. If I'm meeting my own needs, you got to meet your needs. All right. And so.
When's the last time you went on a date? Probably like two weeks ago. Two weeks ago? Yeah. Was it the first date? Yeah, second. Second date? Yeah. Yeah. Is there going to be a third date? I think so.
But we're doing this thing where he asked me to hang out and it was like a four-hour period. And I was like, well, I'm not going to be rushed. Like, I'm just going to go another day because I live kind of far from him. And then he asked me this week, but I was coming here and like just tried to squeeze me in. And then he's texting me while I've been here. but i just i'm like okay we'll see what happens i guess like all right okay what about you
I am currently single, but I am talking to someone, and my longest relationship was seven-ish years. And how long are you, did you say how long you've been single? No, sorry. I've been single for a year and a half. So the seven-year relationship, is that the one that ended a year and a half ago? No. Okay. In the seven-year relationship, who broke up with who?
I broke up with my ex, yeah. Okay. And how long was the relationship that was a year and a half ago? A month. A month. Okay. Who broke up with who? I broke up with them. Okay. And you said you're currently talking to someone. Yes. How long have you been talking to said individual? Off and on for a year. What do you mean off and on for a year? We started talking last year. We met on Tinder and then...
Fell off and started talking again. And if I recall from your notes, you're bisexual, is that correct? Orientation? I consider myself a lesbian, but I've dated men. Are you currently dating? No, I'm dating or talking to a woman. Talking to a woman. Your seven-year relationship, was that a man or a woman? A man. Okay. When did that end? 2019, 18. Okay.
Were you a lesbian during the course of your relationship with a male? He knew that I liked women. I was attracted to women, but I wasn't out yet. Okay, I see. So you're... Is there a possibility you'll ever date a guy again, or is that a hard no? There is a possibility, but... My standards are so much higher for men than they are women. Oh, interesting. We'll go into that. So did your seven-year relationship, did he turn you into a lesbian? No. I've always been attracted to women. Okay.
Well, maybe you were bi before, but the relationship was so bad. I don't think that's how that works. Hey, I'm swearing off, man. No, he was... Swearing them off. He was great. He was great. Oh, okay. All right. Didn't work. Okay. Um... Huh. So you said your standards are higher for men. Yes. Versus women. I mean, now you're only dating women. So what's the difference?
Women just have to exist. Unfortunately, men, they need to buy me flowers. They have to be courteous. They have to take me on nice dates. i'll treat the woman like no standards sadly okay what else does the guy have to do what else uh he has to be kind he has to be funny he has to Keep me entertained. I don't I don't know just and women don't have to do that like women can be like boring as fuck Possibly so kind of like how men have to act basically
Wait, what do you mean? Well, you're saying like the expectations that you have on women kind of mirror the expectations that straight men have when it comes to women. Oh, maybe. Right?
Well, you said the guy has to do XYZ. Yeah. It's got to be interesting and entertaining. Yeah. But a girl, I even anticipate when I'm dating a girl, she's going to be boring as fuck. Is that what you're saying? No, no. no i don't anticipate them to be boring no or well but you said like the guy has to be entertaining or whatever yeah it's just that like the quality of i'm gonna sound horrible the quality of
guy has to just be like up here versus the woman like they're just beautiful like look at all these ladies okay they just have to exist they just have to exist which girl at the table here would you like most I'm talking to someone, so I'm not going to answer that question. You said you're single. Yes. You said you're single, bro. It's on. It's on. It's off.
When's the last time you hung out with this individual? Actually, they live in a different country. Oh, it's long distance? Yes. Which country? Colombia. Colombia. You like those Latin American women, huh? Yes. Okay. Is she a fiery Latina or what? I wouldn't consider her fiery. Okay. She's like a mellow Latina. Yeah, she's kind of like me. She's chill. She's chill? Yeah. Okay. So do you think this is... I think she might be using you for a green card.
Like, I think she's using you. You should probably break up with her. I don't think so. Just kidding. So, okay. Wait. So, okay. How many times have you guys hung out in person? Once. One time. In person. One time. When was this? When you met? Yes, like a year ago. Was she visiting? No, I was visiting. Oh, Colombia. I stayed there for five months. Oh, okay. So you guys were seeing each other...
But you only hung out in person one time? So you met her before you left, basically. Like a week before you left or some shit. Yeah. What did you guys do? Nothing. I was good. Uh-huh, sure. Are we allowed to ask questions whenever? Sorry to interrupt. Yeah, you can ask a question. Go ahead. No, I wasn't. I was just asking right now. Oh, you didn't have a question? I did, but now it's on the spot. What do you mean now? Just ask the question. Go ahead.
No, it's okay. No, go for it. I don't mind. How do you know like she will be worth it after only seeing her for one time and for that long, you know, that you're waiting that long? How do you know if she's like worth it or not, you know? I mean, I guess how do you know anyone is worth it? Like we talk every day. We have great conversations. She makes me laugh. You talk every day? Yeah. Oh, okay. Do you see like a future with her as well? Yeah, I do.
I think there's a possibility for a future. Are there any plans for her to come visit or you to go back? It's harder for her to come here than it is for me to go there just because of like visa situations and things like that. Wait, so this was like a year ago you last saw her. When did you last see her? Like in... December 2023? February. Well, it wasn't a full year. It was like February of this year.
Wait, hold on. I have a couple questions here. Have you dated anybody else during this time period? No. Okay, so you guys are monogamous. I've talked to other people. Yes, because we stopped talking for a while. Oh, so there's a break. Okay, why? I thought she was talking to someone else and like seeing someone else and then we just...
I don't know. I'm the type of person if I think someone's up to something, I'm just like, I'm done. When was the break? Like in June. Okay. So you guys are monogamous. I mean, I don't know if she is. She might be talking to someone else. I don't know. Are you? We haven't had a conversation. I'm not talking to anyone else. Okay. Is this a fulfilling relationship for you? At the moment.
Okay, the distance isn't a problem? The distance is a problem, but we'll see how it goes. And then unrelated to this current woman, kind of, do you want to get married, have kids? I definitely want to get married. I don't know if I want kids. Okay. It's complicated. Interesting. Met somebody once and then talk every day. But you should date a prisoner.
I feel like it's kind of the same. No. There's a lot of lesbian women in prison, I think. But she's not a criminal. That's a good point. That I know of. You're like, well, I forgot about that part. Yeah, I forgot about that part. Okay, well. All right. Okay, I do have some standards. They can't be criminals. They have to be kind. Reasonable. I'm a little confused, though. You said you were single, right? You're not really single, right? Let's say some hot mamacita approached you or whatever.
That used to be my screen name. Really? Hot Mamacita? Remember AM? 69, 420? No, it was 09. Okay, nice. like elementary so okay some like you're you're at the trader joe's or doing pilates or some shit and like some hot mamacita steps and it's like what's up I want to do things to you. That's the go-to pickup line for lesbian relationships, obviously. Are you going to turn them down?
I don't know. You don't know? Shit. Okay, all right, well. Wait, how did you suspect that she was unfaithful through long distance? Uh... an instagram post i mean we weren't together or anything so it's not like she was unfaithful i'm the type of person if like we haven't disclosed that we're not seeing other people then i can't say that she's was unfaithful
We were just on a talking stage, so. Okay. All right. What about you? Relationship status? I am single. Okay. As of six weeks ago. Okay, six weeks. My longest relationship was three and a half years. Is that the one that ended six weeks ago? Absolutely not. In the three and a half year relationship, who broke up with who? My ex.
Broke up with you. He broke up with me, yes. And then the six weeks ago, how long was that relationship? A year and a half. Who broke up with who? His mother broke up with me. Yeah, it was hot. Thank you. Good times. Amazing. uh why did his mom dump you yeah why were you also dating his mom you know my sister's a lesbian and she kind of hooked us up should have been my first red flag to not get involved your sister hooked you up with a guy yes but my sister was trying to get with the mom
What? That's crazy. Yeah. So then I actually befriended the mom because I wanted... to get with the son and my sister befriended the son because she was trying to get with the mom anyway Long story short, I ended up moving to New York for him because I was totally infatuated because he was a Latin lover. Anywho, totally delusional. Okay, nice. Yeah, his mom.
I had a restraining order over him to control him, and I didn't know until I moved to New York. Wait, a restraining order? Yeah, I was like super... To control him? Yeah. Was it domestic violence? Just dysfunction. Wait, are you sure it was a restraining order? 100%. I saw the PO. They came. So it wasn't to control him.
Right? No, it was. She admitted to it. Were they living together? At some point, yes. Because there's like... if he's like mentally incompetent that's my type that no but like it wouldn't be a restraining order unless i'm just misunderstanding she stated that her son tried to kill her she later acknowledged that it was false, but you can't unsay that when there's papers drawn up. What's the story of the attempted murder?
The attempted murder, supposedly, he thought his mother hated him. And supposedly, it's very complicated, but... He claimed you just want me out of your life. So what is it gonna take write me a check and I will never see you again Basically, he thought his mother hated him and the mom is screaming my son's trying to kill me and take all my money
And she shouted out of the window in Carpinteria, which is right near here, a super small beach town. Help, my son's trying to kill me. And they called the cops. And yeah, yeah. And at this time, he did put his head through a few walls. What? Wait, you're trying to beat him? This is crazy. No, I didn't know this until I was already involved with him. Okay. Yeah. Wow. So, he didn't actually do that, though.
Honestly, I think they're both liars. Can you open the door, Damien? They're both liars. I think they're both absolutely crazy. The mom is trying to take me to court right now. Why is she trying to take you to court? She's saying I owe her $10,000 for taking care of her son. What do you mean? Thank you, Louis. Okay, so I moved to New York to go... to school and be with him obviously she kind of gave her blessing and she was like
I support you, I love you for my son, and I love your family, and we're super dysfunctional and love each other. I end up flying to New York no sooner than... Yes. Hide it. There is, yeah, he ended up seeing his mom text me something having to do with her other son, her stepson, his stepbrother. And he got super jealous, flipped out, and threatened his mom on an email saying, I want nothing to do with you. You've been warned. I'm done with this toxic relationship with you. Leave me alone.
What I didn't know at the time was she had an active restraining order against him. So that was a threat. And I didn't know this until I moved. So she ended up reporting it to... his probation officer and then he was in violation of his probation so then she cut him off and i ended up taking care of him for like a year and a half wait when it's okay you say
I'm going to try to move this forward as quickly as I can. You said there's a probation officer. Okay, what crime was he convicted of? Domestic violence. Okay, but she later recanted and said that it was false? Not in court, privately. Okay. To friends. All right. And part of the conviction entails a restraining order. Correct. Okay. So it's not just a civil restraining order. It's a criminal restraining order. Correct.
What does that have to do with you pertaining to the lawsuit? Under what legal claim would she sue you for $10,000? She ended up paying for three months of our rent. a year down the line recently Did you have a lease? I did not. No lease. But she was paying for the rent? She gave our landlord three months of rent because she felt really bad that I had been financially supporting her son.
Okay. For the past year. Are there any text messages or contracts between you two that would indicate that you're going to pay her back for this money? Not a contract. I did text that I wanted to pay her back because I probably establishes. Exactly. Yeah. to some degree yeah yeah you probably shouldn't have said that yeah i thought probably have you been served You know, that's why I dyed my hair and moved to town. So you actually need to be served. And if you don't know where I live...
And you don't know what I look like. So is she threatening to file an action or did she file an action? She threatened it. How long ago? Two weeks ago. It's going to be difficult. She's in New York. She's in Carp, actually. Oh, okay. Well... Okay, you could be anyway as well. Awesome. Dating podcast, not legal podcast. Yeah, there could be. You might be on the hook for some rent. That's cool. Okay, anyways. Is there going to be a server processor outside your studio tonight? Yeah, probably.
She's gonna get served right here along with me with my own litigation matters. What about you? So I am in a committed relationship. And it's been three years. He's 15 years older than me. And my longest relationship is four years.
All right. So he's 40 and you're 25. Yep. Okay. And sorry, your previous relationship was four years? Four years, yeah. And that was the longest. Yeah. And your current one's three years. Yep. Who broke up with who in the four-year relationship? Me. okay and i was living with him all right was he also also age gap relationship yeah he was six years older than me yeah all right uh and then how did you meet your current guy
Um, he's a photographer and he hired me as a model for a gig. Wait, so you, you go do the photography gig and then he's like, he's an automotive photographer. So he hired me as like a host spokesmodel. Okay. For a car show. Yeah. Cool. Like big name photographer? Yeah. Porsche is his biggest client. All the billboards in Los Angeles are his photos. Very cool. What about you? I went single. My longest relationship was...
Three years. All right. What was the other question? How long you been single for? Since 2021, the end of 2021. Three years? Yeah. And then who broke up through in your three-year relationship? He actually passed away. Oh, you're a widow then, correct? Yes. Okay. Were you married? I was. Oh, you were married. Okay. Was that the relationship that ended, well, three years ago? Yes, correct. I'm sorry to hear that. Sorry to hear that. Thank you.
Have you dated since at all? I actually went on a date yesterday or last night, and I'm going on another one tonight after this. Wow. Okay. So, yeah. Yeah, kind of starting. How long? The one yesterday, was it your first date? Yeah. Really? Correct. All right. Then you got a second date already. Okay. All right. It's a different guy. It's a different guy. Just casually.
nice things out there all right what about you um i'm currently in the talking stage with somebody and my longest relationship is a year i would say a little over a year Longest relationship all over a year. How long have you been in the talking stage with this new guy? We actually just established that before I came here. It's been about a month.
one month he's is it long distance or same city nope um we actually uh we went to the same school together and then i had moved schools um we actually the person i'm talking to uh He was like my, it sounds silly, but he was like my first love in like fourth grade and he was in sixth grade. And then we kind of just like found each other again and he ended up living only eight minutes away, so.
When you say kind of sort of found each other again, what do you mean? You slid into his DMs? This is funny. So he actually had... messaged me about like once a year up until recently and then finally this recent time that he had messaged me. It was actually about the hurricanes in Florida because I have family in Florida.
and he had asked me about how my family was doing um i would say like every year up until then he would message me uh i would either be in a relationship he wouldn't say anything like too forward but He would always be there in my DMs, yeah. But it was just kind of bad timing because every single time you would have something else going on.
Well, it's funny. Back in, like, fourth grade, I would say fourth, fifth grade, I heard rumors about him, and I just never looked his way since, and I never gave him, like, more chances after that. What was the rumor? I honestly forget. It has been such a long time ago, but I just remember being at like a fifth grade dance and hearing about it. I think he or was it the sixth grade dance? It's been like four.
You said he was your childhood crush slash love? Or how did you describe it? Yeah, I guess so. okay so i was you remember what it is what is it i was in fourth grade he was in sixth grade and then for two years we were kind of you know back and forth um so then the last time i think i heard a rumor and i think he was like on the eighth grade dc trip i don't know if you guys know what that is but our high school takes a trip um our eighth grade year to dc yeah what's the rumor
The rumor was that I really forget that he talked to somebody else. He flirted with somebody else. But I was also in fourth grade and he was in or no, I was in sixth grade at the time and he was in eighth grade. So it was something along the lines of him talking to somebody else. Yes, but it was very looked down upon because he was two years older. And my parents are very like... Well, my grandparents. I was adopted by my grandparents. They had a lot of strict morals.
Something that comes specifically to my mind on why we stopped talking as well. I was kind of forced to stop talking to him. So not only was the rumor the thing, but I was also forced by my grandparents to stop talking to him because he posted something. on facebook and it was a cuss word that he had reposted didn't even type it himself but um that's just how strict my grandparents are as well
Is that, I'm so far removed from like elementary school. That is kind of like for an eighth grader. Is that kind of weird for an eighth grader? be dating a sixth grader i mean at the time it feels a bit weird a little but like okay sixth grader dating a fourth grade i don't know i wasn't i didn't start dating until like high school
8th and 6th is still middle school, so they're all middle schoolers, right? Yes, so there's three schools. There's like an elementary, a middle school, and a high school. And during that time, he was in the high school. Yeah, he was in the high school. You did an 8th through 12th grade high school? Yes. Okay, I see. Yeah, that doesn't sound great. Yeah, they showed the 8th graders in there. It's a pretty small school.
But in any case, he was sliding into the DMs every single year. You're finally single. Now you guys are in a talking stage. Yes. But, uh, I mean... Sorry, I lost my train. You're in a talking stage. We've been talking for a month. Yes. Okay. You think it's going to go further? I do. I do. Yeah. Okay. This guy seems like he's super into you. Why has he not asked you to be his girlfriend? I think he's just kind of waiting on me to say, like,
to date or not with me. It kind of takes time to really get to know somebody. I feel like in this modern dating society you don't really know someone until you start living with them or spending a lot of time with them. Yeah. I mean, you guys have known each other for like. But we didn't see each other. Over a decade or something. We did not see each other in between. That's fine. Yeah. All right. What about you? Relationship status? Well, I'm single right now.
My longest relationship was when I was married. I got married really young, like 22, 23. I was with her for like six years. Then I was with someone about... two years after that for about another six years. And I kind of just been, I went through my little phase where I just, you know, focused on work. Now I'm just, you know, window shopping. I'm not really talking to anybody too seriously. I'm just, you know.
Checking out the discount rack and see what's going on. You know what I mean? You know, I'm trying not to. What's going on? Yeah. Just see what's going on out there. I'm not really involved in anybody seriously right now. Just getting to know people. Sure. I guess you're in the right place. Earthquake donated $200. What happened to Madison? Oh, okay. I mean, I already addressed it, but...
Two months ago, a month ago, she resigned. No bad blood, anything like that. Business, you know, people move on, switch jobs, circumstances change. It's good working with her, but... I was too mean to her. Andrew was too mean to her, yeah. If she ever wants to come back, the door's open. And look, if you guys really want her back, you can let her know, DM her, whatever. Door's open. Back by popular demand, Madison. But yeah, so...
And then we had one coming through here. Archduke Gloctavius there donated $200. Brian, looking forward to playing World of Warcraft Classic Fresh with you. I sent in my application on the Discord. LFG. Yo, thank you, Gloctavius. I'll take a look. Guys, so Discord.gg slash whatever. If y'all want to come play World of Warcraft with me and Andrew Wilson. Andrew, you're going to play Mage, right?
Yeah, I think I'm going to do a mage for sure. Yeah. And it's still not 100% if we're going to do this. I've got to see if I have time. There's a lot going on. But we'll see the interest in the guild. That's what I did years ago. It was a horde mage. A troll mage. Oh, nice. There you go. You got to go undead, though, I think. I think you got to go. Troll? Okay. All right. Yeah.
Actually, I think for PvE, troll is... Wait. For mage, I think it's better. Minimally, though. Because the passive racial, you get the... Casting speed increase or whatever. Okay. whatever the haste thing i forgot what it's called exactly all right so um we're going to uh do a three reacts we've been need to get these done uh first we have a video from you that went really viral damian can you pull that up While he's getting that pulled up, quick question for you.
I think I already asked this. You said you've been single for two years. Your last date, though, was two weeks ago, you said? Yeah, a few weeks ago. But a lot of the dates in between from my last relationship, I didn't really take seriously because I was just not there yet. Now I'm like, same thing. kind of window shopping, just seeing what's out there. Whatever comes, comes. Sure. Damien? All right, we're going to play the clip. There is going to be audio. It's the Instagram clip.
Make it one bigger if you can. So, guys, watch the clip. We're going to get your reaction to this segment. Go ahead. I said women don't like dudes who got their own, who don't need them. They'd rather deal with men who are not that intellectually aggressive, who gonna let them say what they want.
and do what they want. They'd rather deal with a man like, not saying you like that, but most women out here don't want to deal with a man who's going to say, baby, nah, don't wear that. Nah, baby, don't talk like that. They don't really want to deal with that. They'd rather deal with a dude who let them say and do whatever they want to do. If a man be a man Do you fuck with a real woman let me answer that question and the reason why I ask okay because if you fuck with a real woman
She's going to agree with you. Hey, maybe I shouldn't step outside wearing this This the problem The real woman is standing too close to the hose, so we don't know the difference until we start talking to y'all. No, no, listen, listen. I met a lot of women. It don't mean, I don't care if they from the hood. I don't care if they from, they got two parents.
They interests are the same. It's like right now, right? If you see 10 lions coming down the street, are you going to try to figure out which lion going to bite your ass or not? You're going to be like them 10 lions. So unfortunately, the real woman. Agree with too much shit that these horns was on so we don't know the fucking difference. Okay, so I think the key points there just to kind of. perhaps help prompt this for the panel is uh you don't want a girl to dress revealing right is that
And then what was the other one, like going out to bars and clubs? I feel like their interests are the same. Oh, into the mic. I'm sorry. Their interests are the same. So it's like, you know. It's not necessarily controlling or just looking like a certain type of woman. It's their interests. It's the music they listen to. It's their attitudes. It's their perspectives. It's their outlook on life seems to be in.
too similar to women that are not in their league. So it's not like, because people say, oh, you should talk to different type of women or deal with women in a different area, as if. They're not everywhere. You can find a woman. I know women that are in corporate America that's dealing with guys that are.
criminals i know it doesn't matter their lifestyle they still seem to deal with the same type of guys they still seem to have the same type of perspectives regardless of their upbringing regardless of their education they still seem to come to the same conclusion with other women and it seems like when a man is more assertive, a little more objective, a little more protective of their image. They seem like he's insecure or he's controlling. He's really protecting you from...
The world. It's not about, hey, you're mine. You can't do anything. But why would your man want you to be online with your body exposed? What type of man would want that? A lot of women say, oh, men, they're not traditional. They're not courting anymore. Why would I court a woman? who's already exposed you court a woman to discover something that's not easily
exposed to people. So if your body is exposed online, why would I court that? Why would I take out the time to treat you differently when all I got to do is just go on your Instagram and I can see your whole body. So why would a man traditionally deal with a woman who's not even moving traditionally?
That was the perspective of that video. I did notice that you brought up lions, the ten lions thing. But that was a hypothetical, and I was just wondering if you're aware that hypotheticals are hypocritical. Say that again. That hypotheticals are hypocritical? How so? Oh, I mean, I heard that on an alpha male podcast. I just wondered if you'd ever heard that before. No, I've never heard that, no. Yeah, okay. Wait, what? I don't know. Oh, is that a... I don't know. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Like, what are we answering right now? Okay. So we watched the video. Your reaction to the video. I'll go first. I was going to say, I feel like when you say... All women, you could flip that and say all men. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, to say that every woman agrees with every woman is kind of crazy. Because I guarantee that we don't agree on everything. Like, sitting here, you know what I'm saying? But that's why I said in the video, I said...
It's not all. So I said a lot. You know what I'm saying? So it's definitely, it's never all. It's never all of anybody. That's just ridiculous. But a lot of women. There's a lot of women that agree with this liberal.
i can wear what i want to wear and if he has a problem with it it's his problem it's like okay cool but that doesn't work in the real world you know if you want to go out it's like a man if i'm coming outside with money hanging out my pockets jewelry dripping all over me Can I really get upset when a woman looks at me for just finances or looks at me just as a provider?
I'm sending mixed messages. So it's like if you want this traditional man, if you want this protection, if you want this leadership, what's wrong with coming out with a modest approach? Now we know it's a new time, so women are a lot more liberated than before, so you're not going to be grandma.
But it's a little extreme these days. And to try to figure out which woman is going to be the right woman for you, picking from the visuals, the interest in music, the interest in talking points, is a little difficult. You know what I'm saying? That's why a lot of men are...
Looking elsewhere. Like you have. You're looking overseas. It sounds like what the passport bros are doing. You know what I'm saying? A lot of guys are looking at other races of women, other genders, not genders, but other nationalities of women because it seems like in America... traditional manhood, I feel like the modern woman has been programmed into being incompatible with a man's nature. So like a man has to fight his nature just to deal with the woman and that's just not realistic.
I would say women would do the same right now, though. Like, we're fighting our own feminine energy and acting masculine also in this generation. Like, I basically took care of a man. Like, he just quit his job and I had to take care of everything. But... A lot of the men, and it might be just the men that I'm attracting, but a lot of men that I'll like end up talking to, they just can't even provide for themselves. And I feel like everything is just kind of.
flipped right now if that makes sense like everything is just flipped i agree but this is the issue that i realize with a lot of women a lot like i noticed like i have a friend of mine she's talking about how A lot of the women's homicides are coming from their mates, and they're coming from the men that they're with. There's the issue with that. A lot of men that are dealing with women today are very passive.
And what they do is they suppress their natural instincts just to deal with the woman. And then they snap because they've been fronting for so long. And it's, oh, yeah, baby, I'll do that. Just telling you what you want to hear for so long that one day they just.
Go crazy because women are avoiding men who are objective from the beginning. So they end up with guys that they got to take care of because the guy that you don't have to take care of, he's not going to tell you what you want to hear. So you end up with the guy that will tell you what you want to hear, but you also got to take care of him. I'm saying you have. I'm saying that happens a lot. Okay. All right.
So any reactions to the original clip from any other panelists here? I would disagree with the statement. I would say that mostly because my longest, healthiest relationship that I'm currently in. I do modeling. I do acting. He's seen everything that goes online. Sometimes I do bikini shoots. Sometimes I have to do lingerie shoots. Sometimes I'm kissing a guy in a scene. Sometimes there's a sex scene involved. No actual sex happens.
to be clear. It's fake. And he's very secure in our relationship. He doesn't feel jealous. He doesn't feel any type of way about it. And I think that comes down to
nurture instead of nature. So how he was raised by his mother is very different than I think any other man that I've ever dated. And the reason why he turned out the way he did, and the reason why he's okay with... me pursuing my career and it doesn't bother his masculinity is because he's secure in our relationship because he had a perfect business model and that's his parents so i one thing really quick um i mean you cited to your career
I don't know if you give a carve-out. I mean, I think some men would still. But you give a carve-out, like if she's a model. That's different. But it's like I think you're taught when you when you were in the clip, when you're talking about how they dress, it's like they're going out to bars and clubs and like titties out. Absolutely. And what you're doing, that's a profession.
so that comes with the profession you know what i'm saying i'm pretty sure you had that profession before you met him these i'm talking about women who work at k barn and she got three two or three children or she's dating someone already and she's just advertising her body just because just to pass the time and get likes
You're not getting paid for that. That's like Jay-Z. His wife is Beyonce. So she's going to take some salacious pictures because that comes with her career. That's a part of the industry she's in. So they have that established. I'm talking about the average woman who just wants attention and using her body to just... get attention despite the demands or the request of her partner or potential suitors that she would like.
That is not benefiting her. You're getting paid for that. You're getting contracts for that. You're getting offers for what you're doing. These women are just showing their body just to show it. So my question is... Wait, really quick, just to allow her a chance to respond. So I guess setting aside the... the career component here, do you still have a disagreement with his position? I think it's still valid.
And it's because... His position or your position? My position, I think, is still valid because not every single person you meet on the street you're going to be compatible with. And we all have a different moral compass. And there's not a wrong... or right moral compass that being said if you want someone who dresses modestly
then go for someone who dresses modestly. I think the real issue comes in when we're putting each other down for each other's wants and dislikes. There's nothing wrong with you wanting something or her wanting something. comes when you want someone because maybe how they look but you want to conform you want them to conform to
what you believe, you know, just find someone compatible for you. I respect that. But what I'm saying is based on the complaints I'm hearing from women in modern society, where are the men at? Why are they not this? Why are they not that? Well, this is why. So what I'm saying is you can do what you want to do because I don't judge. My thing is all about cause and effect.
Results. You can do whatever the hell you want, but don't complain when those results don't come back that you want. So if you want to be liberated and show your nipples and show your cleavage and the crack of your behind. to total strangers online you are free to do that but you're not free to complain about the lack of males and the lack of men who are able to provide a certain lifestyle not wanting to deal with you
That's my issue. You can do what you want to do, but don't blame men that don't want to deal with that at the same time. You can't have it all. You can't have it both ways, in my opinion. But you can do what you want to do. Your thoughts? Yeah, I hear what both of you are saying, and I really agree with what you're saying. I also agree with what you just said. But I think...
At the same time, the same thing goes for the men who are complaining about the women who are dressing provocatively. They need to take into account that there's women who are dressing conservatively, so they should just go for those women. they shouldn't be complaining when they can't are there on instagram and they're seeing these women who have their nipples showing and i agree with that but that's why i said they standing too close because when i say
It's not just about the visuals. It's the mindset. So, for example, I know women that are conservative visually, but when they start talking... You see what type of people they associate themselves with, the music they listen to, the perspectives, how they deal with other people, their character, their decorum. It's just like a woman who dresses salaciously. So what I'm talking about is...
of energy, of perspective, the way you carry yourself, not just how you look. That's like kind of low-hanging fruit. I said that because, you know, people can gravitate towards that easily. But it's not just how they dress, it's just how they .
move period you know what i'm saying we all know you got a friend that's nothing like you but you you but you hang with her so if you got a chick like me if i'm if i'm hanging with a dude that's a gang member i may not be but can i judge the one who says well hey You seem cool, but you with that guy, so I don't know. I could get in my feelings all I want, but like the Bible says, not to get religious. But, man, look at the outward appearance. People...
People's natural instinct is to just judge what they see. People are not going to take the time to see through and see, well, maybe he's not quite like that. Yeah, his friend's a murderer, but people got to survive. People are going to do what's instinctive to make them.
give them a better day tomorrow. So they're not going to take the time to try to distinguish, are you different from this woman? They're going to look at it and they're going to keep it moving, especially in today's time where just approaching a woman wrong could change your life. You could talk to the wrong woman and say, how you doing, miss? And she'll get you, you know, straining on all types of stuff. Like, I know a guy who recently just got.
or restraining on or put on him to the point where he got fired from his job just because he told the woman that she's nice looking. We live in these sensitive times, so it's like if we're in these sensitive times, you think this the time to really come outside looking crazy? You really think this the time to really post on your Instagram looking...
super salacious, I just don't think it's the right time for that, in my personal opinion. I have a daughter, you know? I think that men say that they want a modest woman, but they really don't. Because you guys, you'll, like, the... The generation now has kind of shifted. Everyone was wanting that kind of modest kind of old-school relationship, right? Now, social media is involved. People, you know, do OnlyFans. Women do a lot of different things. And you guys...
pay for that. I don't pay for that. You might, but a large amount of men do. Yeah, those guys are simps. You guys kind of attract and like those things. So women have kind of shifted, even with BBLs and different things like that. Now it's not a thing. Now people don't like it. Men don't like it. So women are now getting it removed and different things. So we're kind of shifting.
with how you guys respond to what we're doing because I don't think that we like when we were respected when we were modest like when we were doing you know staying at home like you guys didn't respect that so now I feel like everything is changing and now that we just want to be ourselves, whatever that may entail. Yeah, it's kind of a false premise isn't it? I don't know about that.
I'm sorry, I just want to make sure that we're clear. You think that women are respected now that more of them do sex work than before when they didn't do sex work? No, I'm not saying that they're respected more, but I'm saying that men... Men are eating that stuff up right now. And it is slowly going away. We're slowly going back to kind of the modest now men, you know, hey, you need to cover up. It's not OnlyFans. It's not great anymore. You know, different things like that. I think.
you guys don't realize like you guys do change and things do shift with what you guys like as well it does shift I want to mention something too. Um, I think both races feed into, uh, you know, stuff like that. Porn only fans. I'm it. genders both races both genders feed into that type of stuff because the guys buy it um they ag it on you know um and girls want to dress a certain way you know to look a certain way for men to get men's validations. I believe both genders just play a role in that.
We'll come right back to it. Yeah, thank you, Kaiser. How am I going to roast this table later, dude? I'll have to roast the guys. Eric, I'm from NJ2. The good part, though, not Newark. You mean the soft part? Yo, Kaiser, thank you, man. Nobody here does OnlyFans, correct? No. Or in the past? No. Never done OnlyFans?
Shout out to y'all. Nobody? Okay. Hey, no OnlyFans girls on the panel. There you go. All right. Did you have more? Did you want to respond to Andrew? I wanted to say one more thing. I'm sorry. I also think that... Whatever women like whatever they wear and put out is the type of feedback and men of what they will get in return if I'm posting, you know half naked pictures all the time, I'm going to probably get nastier men, if that makes sense. I feel like moderation.
And just, I feel like being more covered up is more sexier than just having everyone see what you already have. That's more of like a... and into intimacy moment more in the bedroom more energy is put into the bedroom as well instead of trying to get validation through different men not even your own partner
I will add, dressing more provocatively on Instagram, you attract more male followers rather than women, you know? And like you were saying, if we're living more masculine... than feminine because of the way we have to work and everything we're gonna want to maybe make money off of them and we attract them i think that's it sorry i'm so sorry i think that's a discipline thing where that's just fast money it's easy money um
I'm out here, a waitress and a barista, working two jobs, also going to school full time. I'm living, honestly, I'm completely satisfied with my life. I'm already okay with what I have. I think a lot of people... especially in today's society. I think people are just bored and they always want what's next, what's better, what's new instead of...
trying to go through situations with your partner and, like, last forever, you know? I agree. Do you guys tip you more as a waitress? They do, yes. So it's kind of the same thing, like, guys paying on Instagram. But I don't dress a certain way. I work at a Mexican restaurant. It's a family restaurant. But, I mean, I think that's just the way that men are biologically made.
You know, you're going to get tipped more if you're a pretty girl. If you're a handsome boy, girls are going to tip you more. But I agree with everything you said, to be quite honest, because women cannot expect a traditional archetype of a... man what a man is and not act like an archetype of a female.
in that balanced dynamic in a relationship. So if that is what you desire, which I think it is, that's what you've expressed, you know, that's the dynamic that you look forward to. I think it's completely valid. to find a like-minded individual that honors that. But women cannot complain if they're going on Instagram tits out.
tongues out and saying like, but why is nobody, nobody's taking care of me. My man isn't my, my savior, my money maker. It's not going to happen. You can't have your cake and eat it too. What about the phenomenon of the chameleon? Millian being a woman who did all of that for many years or something like this, then puts on the sundress and then expects also to get that archetype, which you're talking about, the traditional male masculine archetype.
What are you guys' thoughts there? I had one other thought that I wanted to add to the previous statement. And we're all talking about what... men like on a girl's Instagram or girls put on a girl's Instagram for men, but I think we're also neglecting what women put on Instagram for other women. So the amount of women I... am one of those girls who I get significant more validation if a girl comments on my post than what a guy comments on my post and
There's a difference between, I think, posting maybe slightly revealing, but through the female gaze versus male gaze. And I don't think men understand that dynamic. the female gaze versus the male gaze, but us girlies, I think we understand the female gaze versus the male gaze. No, I'm glad you said that because I think one of y'all was saying how, I think you said how women are dressed in a certain way for the men, but...
Like she said, they're not. A lot of women are dressing for other women. Or they're dressing like that for themselves. Well, I'm not dressing like this for you. So it's like... A lot of men don't want that. You see a lot of interviews where they'll go on the street and they'll ask men, so what you like, weave or you like natural hair?
Nine out of ten times men are going to say natural hair. But women think men want weave. Women think men want BBLs and all that. It's like they're not really listening to men. And the only men that they're listening to... are men that's on television and in these small sectors of these guys that are athletes where you know they have
The exuberant amounts of money. And they're thinking that those guys' appetite is the appetite of the everyday man. And it's not. And they conflate the two. Because I feel like a lot of women are more in tune with mainstream perspective than... real men's perspective. And like you said, women are dressing for other women. They're not even thinking about men, but they still want those men to honor them or look at them, but they're not taking into account men's perspective at all.
But to talk on that note as well, not every, you said, you compared us to lions in a horde. And I would say not every single one of those lions wants to be hunted. And so it's hard for you guys to find who... who wants to be in a relationship. But some of us, you know, if I were to break up with my partner, he was to break up with me tomorrow. I wouldn't be out looking for a new one. That's just not my personality type. If you don't add anything to my life.
than substantial, whether that's joy, laughter, whatever. I don't need you there, and I'm so fulfilled in my life. outside of my relationship that i think for me a relationship can only add to it and so sometimes girls like we get our nails done for other girls to compliment we don't always get our nails done for a guy to compliment they're not going to notice if you highlighted your hair
They're not going to notice if you got your nails done. Those tiny little things are for the girls. And a lot of women just are not interested. And we know. And that's why men are acting the way they're acting. Because another thing I think people don't understand that this perspective of a lot of men are reflective of a certain age. I'm 39. So when we speak.
Because I feel like my generation went to a specific experience as far as dealing with the opposite sex. And it gets even more nuanced when it comes to race. And we're dealing with women that are dealing with collateral damage of things that they really didn't have nothing to do with. Men had to go through that too. Like when I was younger, I'm tall, I'm dark-skinned, I got a deep voice.
So it's easy for me to deal with the collateral damage of people from my neighborhood or people that may look at me. It's not fair, but it's reality. So women are dealing with the collateral damage of previous generations. and what they did or how they carried themselves. So a lot of young women were like, well, I didn't do that. They've grown up in a world where feminism has already taken place.
control women and men. So a lot of y'all may not have ever done none of these things that we're talking about because from the conversation, y'all seem like very classy women. I appreciate y'all mind. Y'all cool.
But a lot of y'all are dealing with stuff that your older generation did. And the older men are saying, we're not dealing with this anymore. Because we've seen women say one thing and do something else. And even when, like you said, when it comes to hunting, when you said the hunting alliance. A lot of times it's not even about trying to get her to be your girlfriend. I've seen situations where women just, I think men and women don't know how to just be friends anymore.
Like every time a man is talking to you, he's not trying to get your number. He's not trying to get me. He just passing the time. Like if I go to a lounge or something, the music is whack. So it's not like nobody's dancing anymore. So I'm going to talk. I've seen situations where I'll have a nice conversation with a woman.
Very classy, just real lighthearted. Hey, what you into? Hey, what you like to eat? Oh, I went there. Just like her friend will come. Oh, you don't know him. Why you talking to him? Get away from him. And she'll say, oh, don't worry about her. That type of thing. You know what I'm saying? It's like. If you want women to respect you,
Respect them and stop assuming every man that's talking to you is just trying to get into. You don't know what people are going to do. Sometimes a man, just to see a pretty woman, just want to have a conversation with her, just to boost his day, and he just go on about it. I know women, y'all went to a club sometimes, the man's a compliment. you gave you a drink and you never seen him again for the rest of the night. Men, we do that. We're not just...
One-track-minded, we cool, we like to do stuff for you, but this mentality of women, it's just so off-putting that I think by the time they really start to talk to men, they're so turned off by not necessarily what they've done, but what their constituents have done.
completely understand what you're saying I think from that perspective though it's like you can talk to me however and I'm perfectly okay talking to a man and it not being like a romantic situation or feeling threatened but sometimes when we see our girls being talked to by a man we don't we don't know what the conversation is we don't know what's going on between them and maybe you get a little heady first because you're concerned for
her because you never know. There is the whole man and the bear argument and you just never know. But to me that's a problem because to me that's a side effect of the assumed mentality of today that men are a threat to me. I would like to add, I don't really think...
It's assumed only because like as women, that's something like I could say probably every woman at this table has been through. So it's not really assumed. It's just like we genuinely have been through it ourselves. So it's like it's not that we mean to be protective, but like.
It does happen. So, like, we should protect each other, you know? But it's never what you do. It's how you do it. Like, in other words, if I'm talking to my man, if my man is at the club, right, and he's talking to a woman and he looks comfortable, he don't seem...
I'm not going to say, hey, bro, what are you doing? Get away from her. Like, that's weird. If you see your girl, if she's not being touched, this is a public setting. It's not like we're in someone's house. We're in a public setting. There's security guards, and she's talking to a man.
laughing and being pleasurable, you can just come by and say, hey, what y'all talking about? Now, to come with your guns blazing, that's something totally different. Well, approach definitely matters. Talking about cock blocking? i want to say approach definitely matters but i do think that like that's something i would never i was going to say i would never
If I think something's wrong, I would still say something. And I might not approach them like, what are you doing? Because I also don't know. Like, you might be trying to date them. I'm not trying to screw you up either. But I do still feel like.
A girl should definitely go protect the other girl. Yeah, but it's how you do it. But the thing is, it's just assumed that something can go wrong. Because if we're in the club, we're sitting, there's space between us. I'm just talking to her. She's talking to me. We grown.
No one's being hurt. So just to assume that I have to come and save her, it's how you do it. The way y'all explain it, that's cool. I'm just checking on my friend, making sure she's good. I understand, sweetheart. But some women come, who is this? Why you talking to him? See, I feel like, okay, this is gonna sound kind of mean. I feel like when women do that, it's usually because they're jealous of them.
other girl that they're talking to i don't really think it's necessarily like they're protecting them they're actually just jealous that their friend has a man absolutely so it's always what it's never what you do is how you do it it's all about how you go about it like attention it's everything agreed Cool donated $200. Yeah, thank you, Cool. Appreciate it. Did we...
Did that come up earlier? It was in the video. In the video, I said the movie is doing all that. You want to say something? Oh, no. I was just kind of going to piggyback off of what she said. Just that, you know, as a woman. we have to take our safety into consideration so i think it's really important to check on your friend to check on yourself but i agree with what you said about it's about the tone and how you approach it
Yeah, because the more classy you, women, there's one thing that women, and it seems like you guys have figured it out. Your femininity and your softness is a strength. It's not a weakness. And I think a lot of times this modern world has made women feel like being soft is a weakness and they try to replicate actual manly energy and call that feminism.
Feminism to me should be something where we stand up for being soft women. To me, that's feminism. But when I hear a lot of women talk and explain feminism, it's like, you just want to be a man. There's nothing feminine about that at all. So the soft approach, there's always weirdos, there's always exception to the rule, takes that as just an advance to just go crazy. But most men...
will acquiesce to the softness of a woman. And a lot of times if women just keep that approach, that's actually a superpower that they can use a lot more often than they don't. But it seems like you guys have mastered. All right. Well, we can come back to that in a little bit. How about this last thing on this sort of this topic? Do you think it's fair like if a woman...
Isn't traditional so kind of related to how she dresses if she doesn't dress traditional the guy shouldn't pay for the first date
Is that a fair proposition? I feel like clothes have nothing to do with that. Being traditional? So like your ass out, you're wearing a hooker's uniform. I just feel like... a man would pay either way and go about his day and never talk to her again if she was wearing revealing clothes like i'm still gonna be a man i'm still gonna pay well i mean yeah that might happen i guess the question is more so should did the man see her photos before they went on the date because if
did then if he asked her out where did they pay for it that's different yeah you kind of knew what you're getting into well if i if i say if i say if you don't dress like that and then you show up like that i might leave Because you're putting me in harm's way. Yeah, like don't even sit down and eat. You don't even have to pay now. That's what I'm saying. Like you show up looking like that, I might leave. Because women don't realize when you dress like that, you put a man in harm's way.
Because somebody might catcall, somebody might grab you, and he's going to have to do something. He could lose his life defending you because you want to come outside looking crazy. You know what I'm saying? So it's not just about controlling you. It's about... keeping civilization all right. You know what I'm saying? Women got to stop dressing so crazy. Men are very aggressive, man. It's like walking around a cave of lions with
meat hanging off you. Are you going to be mad at the lions? Like that's their nature. Not saying that men are just wild, uncontrollable beasts, but it's like mental health is real today. As you know, people are out of their minds. The littlest thing can take them over the top. Cover yourself up. It's a lot of lonely men, a lot of depressed men. You walking around with just a group of women with your whole body exposed.
is dangerous and it's also dangerous for the men in your life because they got to put their life on the line to protect you from something that was extremely preventable. I do want to say I think it's kind of ridiculous to say that that's their nature to be that way because If you are, you know, I don't want to say normal, if you're a grown up human being and you don't have any type of mental illness or, you know, something like that, that shouldn't be your nature.
Are you talking about men? I actually think that's men's nature. Men, women, it doesn't matter. I didn't say abusing them as the nature. I'm saying reacting to your sexuality as a nature. Not being crazy. That's not your nature. It is a man's nature. I wouldn't say that it's someone's natural nature. It's a man's nature to react to a woman's sexuality. Like y'all just said, when I dress provocatively.
What happens? More men subscribe, right? If I was in a tight dress and I came in here, would you naturally catcall me? No, I didn't say catcall, but I would look. But you said that was in their nature. Looking is way different than being catcalled or touching. You know what I'm saying? Catcalled, whatever word you want to use, it is in a man's nature to address your sexuality, whether it be extremely. or whether it be subtly.
It is his nature to respond to your sexual energy. Because I was going to say, even if you look into, not to compare us to literal animals, but if you look at animals, the men will always go to the woman. It's just in their nature to approach women. Just like it's in a woman's nature, to acquiesce to his prosperity. Am I going to say that a woman is wrong for that? No. If you're out here showing that you got that bread.
You can't be mad when women want to see, okay, would you spend some on me? Hey, I would like that. That's women's nature. Women are hypergamous and men are visual creatures. That's just life. And I think the modern time, we so caught up in people's feelings that we... disregard science and biology. Some things are just what they are. And you can fight with it all you want, but it's only going to be at your own peril. You said that you're religious, right? No, I'm spiritual. Spiritual. So...
My thing to a lot of men who use spirituality or religion as a way to say, well, this is just in our nature, this is what we're supposed to do, it says in pretty much... Because all of the connected religions, so that would be Catholicism, Christianity, Judaism. I don't mean to interject, but I didn't say science and biology. I didn't say religion. Okay. Mine is just like a little thought off of that. Okay, go ahead.
All of these connected religions, including Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, it says directly in the text that if a man cannot look away or if he must react... to a woman and how she is dressed, that he should gouge out his eyes. It also says that women are to dress modestly. It does. And that women are to acquiesce to men and dress modestly as they acquiesce to men. but is modestly, maybe that can be subjective, right?
There's no definition for what modest is. Because there's specific instructions like covering your head at church, not wearing men's clothing. There's all sorts of different actual, especially in Islam. Islam is very much... uh very hyper specific on dress codes but so is christianity and uh for instance orthodox christianity has roughly 2 000 years of dress code enforcement when it comes to church and how people are supposed to dress not dress what the standard for modesty
is it's set down from an ecclesiastical authority so it's not like these things are unclear right Do we have photos or is it just kind of descriptions though? Like it is to a certain extent. No, it's descriptive. Like yeah, your dress must cover X and you must have a head covering when you're doing X thing. And yeah, it's, it's very, very, very specific. It's not something. which is...
I understand what you're saying. You're saying this can be subjective, so this could be up to what does modest mean? My version of modesty, your version of modesty are going to be two different things. That argument would work, I think, in this case, except for the fact that we have such very clear descriptors. case, we just have very clear descriptors inside of these religions what modesty is and what the ethical foundations for that are and why it's done. But what about translated text?
Because the Bible wasn't written in English, neither was the Quran. The Bible is one of the most hyper-specifically translated texts in human history. It's been gone over by every scholar on planet Earth multiple times. We know exactly what it says. why it says it. We know going all the way back to the original Council of Nicaea and before that exactly what the intents were because they wrote them down. We have thousands of religious scholars who all agree on what these texts say. This is not...
There isn't any other text on planet Earth which has been more well studied and researched than biblical text. Nothing. Well, it is well studied and it is researched, but there's still plenty of... people who have conflicting opinions about it. Well, here's the thing. There's a reason for this. You are correct. There is a reason why there are conflicting opinions, but this comes from the Protestant Reformation.
And once you get into personal exegesis, you can make a biblical text, say whatever you want, essentially. But if you're talking about an actual standardized Christian church like Orthodoxy or Catholicism... No, what you're talking about are called innovations, and they stay away from innovations for a reason. Innovations are against the religious tax. But these men that typically say that...
They want a modest woman and that they can't help themselves but assault a woman if she is dressed provocatively. Well, I think that's a... very bad straw man of the position i don't think anybody said that nobody said that well i'm not saying he said that but i'm um I'm saying that... Why would I respond to a position nobody has, though? You see what I'm saying? Can I interject? Oh, go ahead. Hang on. Let's finish our exchange real quick. We're almost done.
All I was saying is that if we're talking about those men, it also says in those texts that you shouldn't mix different textiles. It says that there's so many different... but we're only following some of them. These clarifications are made via Pentecost, the New Covenant. There's descriptors for exactly why these rules are in place and not in place.
And these have been endlessly gone over 2,000 years of debate within the church. Multiple councils which have ruled on them. This is definitely not up for interpretation as to whether or not you can mix cloths. I mean, that's been done away with since... you know since time for time for god yes but if we're talking about clothes that should be worn that have been said that they that
that this is how a woman should dress this is how a man should dress and all of these different rules that we have and more religious men are kind of saying well i'm not going to treat her well or whatever it is because of how she's dressed or maybe that's provocative to me Okay.
What are they dressed like? How are they living their life by that same religious text? Is it hypocritical or are they living exactly how it says? Well, yeah, I think that they're not supposed to dress promiscuously either. Men aren't. But when you're talking about... male dress codes I mean for the most part to be perfectly honest and frank with you only in the western world do you see this phenomenon at all for the most part and it has to do a lot with women's liberation but men very much
don't really dress provocatively. I mean, they mostly walk around completely covered head to toe. Most men do this. The men in that room are dressed covered head to toe. All of them, right? I am too, and I'm comfortable in my own basement, and I'm still...
uh covered head to toe and one of the reasons for that is it's a matter of respect right so uh men also show each other respect this way um you know and and also if you want to see what a respectable man looks like generally speaking they're not out with their flip flops on looking you know looking terrible this type of thing that's not something which uh which we respect very much so ultimately i think that uh i think that that's a really
Not a great point if you're looking at men and saying, well, what about the standard for men's dress? I just don't see this sea of men dressing provocatively anywhere. Yeah, and I want to say this. First of all, I didn't bring up religion to... validate me that's why I said biology and science because people love to hide behind feelings theory and religion but let's just deal with reality you know what I'm saying because we can get lost in these interpretations even though like
homie said it's very clear what religion says but let's just put that to the side we have to stop speaking from these privileged positions Because everybody doesn't have the life you have that can insulate you from these weird people. You may have that life where you have a career, where you have a man, where you can do what you want to do and you don't have to deal with the ramifications of what you may or may not wear.
Every woman in the world doesn't have that privilege. So there's women that are following the Kim Kardashians and are following this and they're in poverty or they're in a neighborhood where it's not protected or they don't have a man in their life and they think they can just, well, we heard what she said. They go outside and get their head knocked off because they just want to prove a point. So I feel like we need to really push responsible messages that are more addressing.
the average person because we often talk from these places that everybody's not at like when women talk up men and women talk about this high value man and all that the average person in america is making 45 50 000 so to keep talking about these small sectors of people
And to try to understand the masses, it's just, not saying you are, but it's just an ignorant perspective because we get so emotional in these conversations. We feel like we're being attacked. And it's not that. We're just making, we're trying to create conversations that most people can. thrive from and i think it's just positive to tell most women
Protect yourself because you may not have the father figure. You may not have the income where you can pay for this or pay for that to insulate yourself from these weird people. So the only thing you really have is yourself and how you carry yourself. And if you do meet somebody who's happy.
to go against that and do something, you'll be more protected because they'll be like, hey, why are you doing this to this nice young lady who doesn't bother anybody, who doesn't dress crazy? But if you're out here on your own talking crazy and dressing crazy, who's going to believe you? So I feel like we need to push a message that's more encompassing to the average man and woman.
I will say that as a woman, that you shouldn't go outside necessarily dressed provocatively, especially if it's late at night or maybe you're in a bad part of town or something like that, right? Because there is a possibility. that something could happen but i will also say that as a man you shouldn't
You shouldn't go out and see a woman and think like, oh, I have the right to catcall her. Oh, I have the right to say something to her. Oh, I have the right to touch her now because she's wearing a short dress. I think everybody here agrees with you. I mean, if somebody commits a sexual assault, the only person to blame is the person who commits the sexual assault. I don't think victims are to blame.
for their own sexual assault but i also do think that if you are you're putting yourself in a risky situation then you have put yourself in a risky situation sure i just don't think it's right to say that's their nature you know Well, I just think the standard is different. So the thing is, I agree with you in the context that absolutely men shouldn't engage in any sort of bad behavior like this. However, I think there's a double standard applied. I think that...
It's very common to see women doing unwanted touching to men constantly, which is not considered SA whatsoever, and it really should be. Like, it's very common to see a man sitting on a couch, for instance, at a party. A random woman goes by, perhaps puts her hands on his... shoulders maybe rubs them a little bit walks on or or kind of puts her hands on his back it kind of rubs his back things like this sure and you would never say that's in her nature almost hang on
But if we were to switch the roles and a man were to do that to a woman, you'd be like, wait a second, it's totally inappropriate, this type of touching. So I think that the standards, I think that until the standards are not... or not adhere to as being equal across the board. I don't see how you could make the claim that, you know, men are the ones out here acting inappropriately. It just seems like when it comes to touching or things like this.
women kind of get a pass and men don't. I do have to move things on here. I want to, we're going to do a react, but before we do that, going to you. So you have. BPD. Yeah, borderline personality disorder. Borderline personality disorder. Oh, no. So in your Instagram, you describe yourself as mentally illest. Yeah. And you're illusophical. Yeah. So maybe, I don't know, there's something, collaboration there or something. A couple questions for the BPD. How does BPD manifest itself for you?
Um, well, it's described as the instability of moods, behaviors, and relationships. So like that really just.
can flood into every area of your life really and it did for mine so it's played a part a huge part in my relationships if not the biggest part of my relationships um emotional stability just growing up just played the biggest part like I just could never I was the one crying in the classroom all the time um I don't know I would say it's probably like if you ask me a question it's affected my life
Like it just has. Well, yeah, sure. Yeah. But so what I guess what are I know for some people it can manifest differently. It can be more extreme. It can be more mild. Yeah. How does, I guess, what are some of the symptoms for you? So, like, fear of abandonment is one. Like, I haven't dated in two years. And I feel like maybe if I'm being 100% honest and real, it might be because I'm scared of being abandoned. I don't want to go through that again. So I just don't do it at all.
Now I don't have as many relationships. Wait, you were just on a date, though. I was. I'm trying my best. Wait, question, though. When you say dating, do you mean long-term relationships? Like the three-year one? Yeah, that was long-term. We moved in together. Have you been celibate for two years? No.
Yes, I mean, you're like seeing men. You're engaging in romantic or sexual relationships. I wouldn't say I was seeing men. There's two men after. One is I've already done that way before my ex-boyfriend, like way, way before. So just reconnected. was really alone went with him um and then now new said guy so okay yeah all right um and then so you said you're the fear of abandonment
Um, what else, how, how does it, what are the other symptoms, I guess? Um, I guess like paranoia, like I could just make up my own thoughts and then I get in my head and convince myself that it's real. And then I'm like, everyone's leaving me. Everyone hates me. My family member just passed away. Like I would like can convince myself that like things are happening. They're not actually happening. But once I calm down, like I'm like, what was that about? So two questions, I guess.
There's gonna be when it comes to BPD there's gonna be what's going on with you internally Yeah, and then when it comes to relationships and dating there's going to be you know, there's going to be
the outward manifestations of that. So if somebody is dating you, what can they sort of expect in terms of... already granting everything that's going on internally but there's going to be outward manifestations what does that look like so texting them and like freaking the out or how does it look so dating with bpd and honestly and most people with bpd will say this not to assume that everyone would but it's very very common relationships are the biggest trigger so
I could go so long without having any triggers, no like emotional stuff. As soon as I get in a relationship, I then start to like, are they doing this when I'm not there? Are they doing that? So then I'll start texting them, freaking out. could do that. There's times that you can literally convince yourself that they're talking to someone else they're not and you will treat them as if they are.
There's been times like not to be too real. I've like even gotten so mad I've jumped out of a moving car before so it's like it could Get there. But it also can be triggered, and I will stand on that. Like, your environment is everything. If you're around the wrong people, it will trigger you and put yourself in the worst position ever. Of course, take accountability for my own actions. Put myself in this situation. But I will say...
If it's real, real bad, it's usually really, really triggered, and they're trying to poke the bear like they are. Okay. And then... You said you were a serial dater in the past. Yes. So like before my three-year relationship, I was bouncing from relationship to relationship to relationship. And if it wasn't a relationship, I was at least talking to someone. Kind of dating, but just without the label. But yeah, pretty much.
much since I was like 12. I've never been out of a relationship until like 22, 21. Okay. We'll maybe come back to some of that. Anybody else here have a diagnosis they want to reveal? I'm not the only crazy one. An official one. What you got? I'm just not the most patient person. I think whatever diagnosis that is, I think I need to work on my patience. Like the smallest little thing, I'm out of there.
I think a lot of people deal with that, too. Anybody? Anxiety? 100%. Anxiety, but I also don't believe in mental illness. I have a movement disorder. A movement? Yeah. It's like... Like you're spastic? Yeah, like a Parkinsonianism. Oh. It's called dystonia. What's...
What is that? I've actually heard of it before. Yeah, like T-Rex arms. Yeah. Like in the bedroom? Yeah, for sure. Oh, okay. No, it was from a... medication i was given and i had a horrible reaction from it and i almost died and i was in a wheelchair for years and bed bound yeah for six months um that's not a mental illness no but it is a it's a movement disorder It's neurological. It's a neurological disorder, but your psychological...
Well-being affects how it manifests physically. If I'm stressed, if I'm sad, if I'm depressed, if I'm anxious, if I'm insecure. What was the medication? Haldol. That's most neurological diseases, though, right? Yeah. That makes sense. 100%. What was it for? I was misdiagnosed with Tourette's as a kid. Oh. Wow. And then they gave you medication and then they gave you Tourette's.
Yes. Yes. Literally. Just a different form. Damn. Did you sue them? Oh, did you sue? Yes. There was a lawsuit? There was, yeah. Damn. We have a super chat here. Greta Thanos, thank you. Dude looked at Andrew and said, homie said, we have reached peak irony, folks. Wait, what?
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I do, but I'm blind, so I can do it. All right, you do it. Go ahead. So read the title. Here, I'll do it. Go ahead. My 27 male girlfriend, 22 feet. No. My, as in him? As in him, yeah. Okay, he's 27 male. His girlfriend, 22 female of a year, slept with another guy while we were taking it slow a month into dating. Oh, fuck. Did not mean that. Oops.
Let's see. Read after it says original post. Read, I have been with this girl. I have been with this girl. I'll call Jess for close to a year now. Since specifics matter here, we started dating around last Thanksgiving, but it was only about a month later when... We said we were in an official relationship. I really liked this girl from the get-go, and we've gotten really close since then, and we were actually planning on moving together soon.
Here's a problem. Recently, Jess and I ran into a guy at a small get-together with mutual friends. They exchanged a weird look like there was something between them, but I didn't think too much of it at the time. During the party, something came up about the place Jess went to for a date. The time was clear.
since it was a christmas market in my town and again i thought something was off about the guy well later that night i actually get a text from him he got my number from one of the mutual friends but said, hey, I don't know you, but I thought you should know that Jess and I hooked up right after Christmas. I confronted Jess about it.
And I could tell she tensed up right away. She got this sad look on her face but confessed right away. She said she had met this guy on Tinder and hooked up a couple of times but stopped any contact before we became official. She said she wasn't sure we would get into a relationship at that time.
but she still felt bad that i found out this way she said she considered telling me but it was afraid would it would ruin things between us i told her i needed some time to think and proceeded to get drunk that night and ignored her texts the thing
is I feel very betrayed and I'm really considering ending things. Sure, we weren't official when this happened, but we had already been on multiple dates at that time and I thought it was pretty clear that we were moving towards a full-fledged relationship. On my side, I had no interest in pursuing other girls at that point because I only wanted to be with Jess. And on her end, she was definitely hitting at us evolving into a couple and strongly hinting at exclusivity.
The other part that kills me is that during the stage, Jess specifically said she wanted to take things slow physically until we knew each other better. But during the same time, she hooks up with a guy she barely knew from Tinder. When I asked her this, she said it's different because she took it slow with me. me specifically because she thought we would get into a relationship but it was somehow different with a casual hookup that logic makes zero sense to me
I don't really want to talk about it with my friends because I think they would hate Jess if end up staying together. But I would like to hear opinions on here. Would you stay in a relationship like this if things were going well but the beginning was so shady?
and then read the too long didn't read just for a recap my girlfriend met up and hooked up with a guy while we were dating but not official while she was taking it slow with me okay so um let's have the panel's reaction there do you think valid Do you think, hey, look, they weren't official. She can do whatever she wants.
Your position, starting with you. I honestly think the whole thing's invalid. I don't even think he should be even thinking about it. If a relationship starts off that way, it's always going to be that way. I don't even think he should have made the Reddit post. He should have just not even pursued her, talk about her, think about her.
Yeah, and it thinks right away. Okay, your thoughts? I think that both feelings are very valid. That being said... it really comes down to do you see your life without this person and if not then you know then you should be with them and if
like if you can't live without them but if you can and you can't get past this then of course you should break up wait both feelings valid both feelings how were her feelings valid because we don't we only know it from his perspective we don't we just yeah so we have to just take it yeah exactly
word exactly so we don't know exactly what she was feeling and maybe why she didn't want to initially have sex with him versus having sex with this other guy we don't know what the relationship between them are so from just a solid outside perspective I don't think any of that really matters. It matters how you feel about the person now. Like, did that taint it for you to the point that you can't be with her? And if the answer is yes, you shouldn't be with her. I have to disagree.
Only because... if you like someone you're not gonna go sleep with someone else like you just aren't like you know and like not to say like but how would you feel i'm not saying that they ever did i'd never want to paint you like that but like if your boyfriend when you first started talking if he were to sleep with another woman wouldn't you look at him differently No, because I think...
I already knew when we got together, like when we first met, that he had had a very, like, he had had way more sexual partners than I ever did. And it never really, I mean, like, maybe I felt a little insecure about it, but.
I feel like I just cared about him more than I cared about his past. Well, sexual partners is fine, but if we're sitting here dating and talking and you go to sleep with someone, like, we're not dating. Like, we're not dating. You're dating other people. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I... I don't know.
understand how the other side's valid honestly like that's what i'm trying to figure out is how you figured out that the woman's side is valid here like clearly you're dating a man and she says i could see this being exclusive and so does he that's where they're both moving towards and then she's sleeping with another guy, that's an action that is contradictory to what it is that she's actually saying and doing.
She just straight up lied low key. I would say the same thing if the roles was switched until you say that you're official. You know, anything can happen. You can't necessarily, like, I'm not saying I would, but... You can't be surprised, I guess. Yeah, but I mean, humans have expectations, right? Before we weigh in, I would like to get everybody's...
Sure. I think communication is super important in any relationship. I think the fact that they didn't talk about, you know, whether they were exclusive or not makes in a way her point a little valid. I mean, we don't know. what happened on her side because she didn't write in but in my opinion I think that You know, I don't think that she is to blame. And I would say that if it was reversed as well. But I do feel like the guy who wrote in his opinions are super valid. And if it's something that.
he thinks hinders the relationship or now he can't look at her a certain way, you know, then end things. But you need to talk about that before. But didn't they say that they were taking things slow, so therefore didn't they talk about it?
You know what I'm saying? Not that they're exclusive, but if you look at someone and say, hey, do you want to take things slow? I'm going to assume that we're taking things slow. You're not sleeping with other people, you know? Right, but the key word there is assume. They didn't say that they were exclusive. Oh, I didn't see the assume part. My bad. And just to recap, he does say, sure, we weren't official when this happened, but we had already been on multiple dates at that time.
And he says he thought it was pretty clear that we were moving towards a fully fledged relationship. I think I learned the hard way. You can't just think or assume something in a relationship or non-relationship. He did also write. And on her end, she was definitely hinting at us evolving into a couple and strongly hinting at exclusivity. Mind you, they were dating for a year. He doesn't really give much of a timeline.
But the inference here is the problem. There's an inference here. We're moving towards exclusivity. And that inference must actually be there because her claim to him, she tensed up, she got upset, was, okay, well... hang on wait a second okay yes it's technically we weren't exclusive
But obviously you had this expectation because I was giving you this expectation. Otherwise she wouldn't be upset about it, right? What would she be upset about? She's upset because she was inferring that they were going to be exclusive. Let's get everybody's reaction here. Go ahead. About if her side is valid or not. Sure. I kind of agree with you. If there...
It's about if there was an explicit communication of what those boundaries and expectations from the relationship was at the time of these actions occurring. I think it gets confusing. I can genuinely see both sides because it seems like there's some dishonesty on one side or the other. Truth is usually somewhere in the middle of where there was alluding to their being
I'm not seeing anybody else. It could have also been like a trauma response or a, but you know, I don't know. I'm just trying to play. I know. Right. Fuck everything. Okay. So, I mean, we can have a debate over. you know, this component of were they exclusive or not. I think it's up to him. No, but the issue is if, if she had also been sleeping with him. It gives you a bit more leeway, but I think the bigger issue here is that she fucked this other dude, but she told him...
Oh, I want to take it slow because I'm a good girl. Yeah, no, that's fucked. I don't do that. that's yeah that's why i'm like i don't i think they communicated she said i'm taking things slow and she went and screwed yeah she lied basically but uh your reaction yeah because i was gonna ask i guess why wasn't he jumping to date her but i guess it's because she said she was
Wanted to take it slow. He didn't really say that he wanted to or not. Well, I think take it slow physically. Okay. So, yeah. I can see how, you know, where he's coming from. I can see. Your reaction? I feel like just because... You know she said she wanted to take it slow with him. She could really like him and just want to take things slow and With the other guy it didn't mean anything so
And we were not exclusive. We didn't have that conversation saying, okay, we're exclusive. We're not going to date anyone. We didn't have that. It's a very gray area. So I kind of agree with her side because nothing is solidified here. Everything is kind of up in the air. I mean, but it's not, though. I see this all the time on these panels. It literally just seems like it's excusing bad behavior.
Clearly, from this guy's angle, he was moving towards this and she was moving towards this. And they both seemed to agree. Otherwise, she wouldn't get upset. That's one. And seemingly, the only way that you guys are able to, quote, validate...
uh this woman who's in the picture here is to essentially say well i disbelieve his story and there's another side but it's like just take the story at face value let's assume for a second it's true that everything he's saying is true well then how do you validate that Well, again, they never agreed to be exclusive. Yeah, but even granting, let's say it's not even considered cheap. Yeah, but he didn't agree that he would stay in relationship.
uh with a girl who was like for instance let me let me just give you this scenario right if she had told him at the time oh and by the way i just humped my tinder date don't you think that would have remarkably changed the situation of their dynamic if she had actually been up front with that. Oh, by the way, guy that I'm dating, I also happen to be banging a guy I met on Tinder. Don't you think that would completely change the dynamic? I think so, but I feel like...
You can't really hold someone up to that standard. Of course you can. Of course you can. I feel like you can't. If you're not dating, if you're, if you're, if you don't have to, like I could go on a date or be dating someone, talking to them, right? where I can see things going, but I don't have to tell you that I just slept with somebody.
yesterday or last week i mean we're not we never established that how's that not that's totally despicable because it puts the person under false pretense it's like that's completely despicable behavior to be like Oh, and I'm also banging this guy. I'm just not going to tell you. It's totally despicable to do. Who would ever want that done to him? Would you ever want to date a guy who you were really into?
and then he was like oh yeah you know and uh by the way you found out you know four weeks in that he was banging some other chick like who would ever want that I don't know if it's just me, but when I date, I just assume that the other person is also dating. possibly sleeping with other people I might not be but I just assume until we have a conversation and I think what she did is not right by not telling him
But in my opinion, I think that also what she did wasn't wrong. She didn't have to tell him because they didn't discuss it. Yeah. Okay. Well, here's the thing, though. Guys do this all the time. Guys do this all the time. Oh, go ahead, Andrew. You're good.
Yeah, I don't think that men generally are assuming that if they're going on multiple dates with a woman, she's dating anybody else. I think that that's usually generally a fair assumption to make. I don't see why it wouldn't be. And if you think it would change the way that the person would look at you.
right if you if you told them you were sleeping with somebody else then at that point i think you actually have an obligation to do so because it's false pretenses so if you think if i told this person i'm sleeping with somebody else And if they had that information, they would no longer want to date me or be with me. So I'm going to purposely withhold that information. Yes, that's totally despicable. That's completely despicable because it's just self-serving, right?
Your reaction, and then we'll have some back and forth here. My reaction is that I think it should have been clearly established in the beginning. And I think that's where, you know. What should have?
that if they're sleeping with people or not, if they both were looking to be in a relationship or just establish if they wanted to be in a relationship, I feel like that's just like a valid... known thing that people should know uh in a relationship i gotta ask this rather you're sleeping with somebody or not in a relationship let me ask you let me ask you a question okay
If you had genital warts and the other person didn't know, but they didn't ask you and you were going to sleep with them, are you obligated to disclose that to them? No, this is where I think the modern society is a little soft. I think that this stuff should just be easily communicated.
Rather you're sleeping with somebody or not. Like personally, I don't want no one else sleeping with somebody else if I'm in a relationship. So I'm going to make that clear that I'm not sleeping with somebody. To my question. Yeah. If you had genital warts. Okay. And you and the person you were on a date with never discussed the STDs and he wanted to sleep with you, right? Are you obligated to tell him that?
And isn't the reason you're obligated to tell him that so that he can make an informed decision about whether or not he wants to take that risk? Yeah, so the inference here then is that... This person would make a different decision had they had the pertinent information that you are withholding. And so if you consider that to be a moral conundrum, I don't see how you wouldn't consider this a moral conundrum. They both seem like a moral conundrum to me, same way.
withholding information purposely to be self-serving in the one case you say that's wrong in the other case you say it's fine that seems absurd to me well did he say that If she had told him that he would have left, does it say that in the post? She was concerned. The idea that he's alluding to here is that had he had the requisite knowledge...
He would have ceased and desisted the dating with her. That's the entire inference of a post. What makes it wrong is that he didn't know, in other words, right? I think... He should have just asked straight up. I think it's just like a common thing people should kind of know about each other. If you're dating somebody, rather you're sleeping with somebody or not. Like, I feel like it's just like a common thing that people should know about each other, even in the beginning or not. Rather like...
if you see a long-term relationship with someone like i'm not going to be sleeping with somebody else and i feel like that should be established if you both are looking for long-term things you know yeah i think it should be established in the beginning
that I would agree to this. I think it should be established in the beginning whether or not you want to have an open relationship and continue to date. You say, okay, I'm going to continue to date other people. You date other people. That's fine. But if it's not discussed, right? You're acting in such a way as though it seems that this is moving towards something.
then I think that as human beings, we can generally figure out what an inference is. What's being implied here? What's being inferred here? In the same way that you would say, I'm not going to hide an STD because I feel like, well, that could definitely do some damage.
your life by not disclosing that to you and be self-serving, this also does the same thing. It's very damaging to a person's life by not disclosing it. So from my perspective, it seems that the woman should be not only completely invalidated here.
but it was very sneaky, underhanded behavior. Yeah, if it was the other way around, I would completely not agree with it. So I think if guys were doing what this girl was doing to us, I think we would... honestly act more out on it than what that guy was doing was just posting on reddit or whatever the heck that was um that's just my personal opinion okay you had something go ahead yeah um
Just to be clear, so he was dating this woman for a year? I just want to be... So he was dating for a year, and I'm going to just... Then he found out. Then he found out. He should have said something. All right. But so... In my opinion, the guy just seems a little green to me. That's just what I'm thinking. Because if I'm talking to a woman in the first beginning, I'm assuming she's doing what she wanted to do. Until we make it official, you're not mine until you're mine.
So I'm not assuming anything. If I meet a woman in the modern time, especially if she's attractive and it's early and we haven't established nothing, she might still be lingering with somebody else. There still might be some cobwebs we're trying to clean out. So I'm not even assuming that. And if I'm dealing with a woman for a year's time and we haven't done anything and you're accepting that and you think that's normal.
You're just – you don't know women enough. I think we have what we want women to be and what they are. And I think a lot of men – Yeah, but this – what you're doing is promoting terrible men. I'm not promoting anything. You got to let me finish, though. I'm not promoting anything because I don't believe in it. I deal with reality.
I don't agree with a lot of stuff in reality. I don't think certain things should be a crime, but that don't mean I'm going to do it just to prove a point. It is what it is. So if I'm dealing with a woman for a year's time and she's making me wait for her body. I don't care what she says. I don't think she likes me. So based on that post. I think they did, just to clarify, it's not clear from the post. I'm assuming they did have sex.
I don't think he discloses it. That's what I'm saying. But you said she was waiting. She said they were taking it slow physically. I don't think he discloses, but maybe they waited a month, two months, three months, something like that. I think they did have sex. just just as a point of clarification okay but he waited and then she a dude on tinder probably immediately
Okay, so that's what I'm saying. I'm not clear. It's not clear if he has sex with it or not. Based on the post, it seems like he was waiting to have sex. He waited three months. The other dude hit it first night. And, hey, then he needs to leave her alone. But the fact that he made that post shows that he needs someone to convince him to leave her alone. He still wants to deal with her. And if he still wants to deal with her, then he's a clown.
Because if you've got to go online and ask people, hey, should I leave her alone or not, that means you still like her, and you're waiting for someone to tell you it's okay to stay with her. And men like that don't know women enough, and they're just game goofy, period. Well, hang on, hang on.
It's saying that because you're with a girl for a straight year, right, the relationship is going really well. And suddenly you learn very pertinent information to this relationship that you now have to deal with. And so you look outside externally. for guidance because you don't know exactly how to deal with a situation you've never been in. I don't think that's a knock on the guy either. I think it's him just going, hey, wait a second.
This is something I haven't experienced before. Most men probably haven't been in the situation where they have a long-term relationship where they find that pertinent information out a year or two in. I don't think I'd beat him up about it. I think, though, that...
She should probably, if he wanted to avoid this situation, I would think that the moral ought here would be the disclosure, just like it would be with the STD, and then the situation's avoided. But he knows now, and he's still looking for convincing. So what I'm saying is most men who have experienced with women when it doesn't go their way.
Most masculine dominant men, they're not going to wait around and figure out if she's with me or not. When she shows you she's not on your team, you move on and you keep it pushing. You don't go online and post to random people and say, hey, do you think I should take her back? He's not knocking him. He's not a bad guy. He's just very green when it comes to women. What advice would you have given him? Leave!
Literally leave. That's the advice. She's not the one for you. She's not the girl. She's not the girl for you. You was a good dude. And you're too good for her. Keep it pushing. Next. I agree with you, right? The advice is leave. Perfect. a guy like that doesn't have the requisite experience, looking for guidance from a male, comes to you, asks you, you say leave. Why would you knock him for that? I'm not knocking him. I mean...
It's semantic at this point. What I'm saying is that's not the right approach for this situation, my brother. Don't take your grievances to strangers. Suck it up. And do something with your time. Take that energy that's frustrating with her and go do some push-ups. Go vent to your boys. Go get a drink. Go play Madden. Don't take it to the internet and think that, oh.
Because he still wants her. He's looking for validation to stay. He's not looking for a solution. He's looking for a reason why he should ignore her folly, which lets me know he's not. experience with women. He's very green. Maybe he's also having resentment that she met that guy on the internet and so now he's going to the internet. Well, I think there's a bit more context in the post. We're going to pull it back up. Maybe there's some explanation as to why he went to the internet.
I think if I saw his girlfriend was trying to like cope and gaslight him a little bit. So let's pull it back up. I'll have you read the rest of it. Scroll down, please. Hide the overlay. Scroll down. I'm gonna have you read where it starts relevant comments scroll scroll down scroll down scroll down
Okay. All right. In my opinion, if you're dating someone and moving towards a serious relationship, you don't freaking bang other people. This would be a deal breaker for me. But you do you, man. If you can't get past it, then end it. A little clarification here. That's from like a comment or from the original. Reddit thread. OOP, I believe that's just original poster. So this is a response. This is the actual guy who...
with the girlfriend issue. Go ahead. Yeah, that's how I feel as well. It would have been one thing if she was just talking to other guys in the early stages while we were defining things of course that's fine and normal but it feels like a slap in the fact that she face he meant face that she found another guy to sleep with after we had already gone on quite a few dates and i made it clear i thought we were moving towards a serious relationship which she seemed to also acknowledge
There is no way she didn't know I would feel hurt that she did that. Scroll down a bit. Here, we'll scroll down. Okay, read that one. Yeah, her logic made no sense to me. She tried to explain that with guys she wants to be in a relationship. She wants it to feel special and wants it to build an emotional connection. But for guys she sees no future with, she sometimes can just...
just wanted physical fun that meant nothing but i just can't wrap my mind around that it feels like a gut punch that as we were getting closer and building a connection she didn't want to be intimate with me but instead preferred to find someone else no matter how she rationalizes it
It's hard not to feel like a second choice. And then there was an update 23 days later. Read the update, please. As the title says, I decided to break up with Jess. I kept going back and forth because I was worried I was throwing away a great thing over something that happened in the past. But the problem is I.
thought I really wouldn't be able to get past it I can't help what she did was really shitty yes I know that technically she did not cheat but she knew that I wanted a real relationship at that and that we were potentially moving in that direction but meanwhile she expected me to plan and pay for
interesting dates, court her and prove that I was worthy of her while she happily hooked up with randos who basically did nothing but show an interest in fucking. Fuck that. In a follow-up conversation, it also came up that her friends sort of guided her to act like this.
that she should basically allow herself to have fun and to keep her casual options open, but with me to make me work for it and show that I wasn't just looking for sex, but was capable of being a committed partner. The whole thing just seems so manipulative and ugly.
were also mutual friends who I considered to be nice girls and now my friends as well now I never want to see any of those pieces of shit ever again anyway I know this is starting to sound a bit like a rant lol but I felt pretty pissed off and basically called it quits the actual
breakup was actually quite unpleasant no harsh words were exchanged but Jess cried and we just kind of talked about some happy times I guess that's the hardest part about this like I don't think she is a bad girl and maybe we could have had a nice future together like we did over the past few months
But in the end, I do think I made the right decision. I want to be with someone who treats me well from the get-go, not someone who manipulates me while playing games just so she can have her cake and eat it too. You had something really quick, but... Yeah. Like, from when I'm seeing that God just is not, he doesn't understand women like that. She didn't like him that much. She was still feeling him out.
And she was willing to go on dates. And he was willing to acquiesce to that because he doesn't know women. And he was way more into her than she was into him. When a woman wants to have sex with you and when she likes you, she knows right away. do is make her, could turn her off. But she wasn't really attracted to that guy. She seemed that he can be the guy that can be nice, but the guys that she was really attracted to was the guys that she was sleeping with.
So he just – he's not a victim. He's not – he's not – we're not going to knock the guy. But he just wasn't paying attention to the red flags.
I'm sorry. Yeah, but where does he learn to do that? You have to get out. You got to get your feelings, sir. I mean, you only know how to fight until you get punched in the face. That's why I don't understand the argument, right? It's like, I get what you're saying, that the guy's a simp, but he doesn't have a lot of experience with women, blah, blah, blah. blah blah. Nobody's disputing that. And I'd give them the same advice you would. Leave.
But how exactly do you, if you're conflicted and you don't have this requisite experience, which is what you're talking about, how do you get it other than to have stuff like this happen, go to friends, mentors, people like this, and discuss it with them? And another thing, like...
On these, just real quick, on these Reddit threads, things like this, many of the times I think that this is done by people so that other people can see what's going on and they can have a reference point if something similar is happening to them, right? So it makes sense. Well, the way I learned, because I didn't have nobody say, hey, don't do this, don't do this. I just paid attention to my environment. And I look at what women did in real time.
And I knew what not to do. And I wasn't going to play myself. You never had any conflict with women that you went to your friends with? Of course. But I'm not taking a woman on multiple dates spinning hella bread.
And she's telling me we're taking it slow. I never went through that. That's just me personally. But I thought you wanted a traditional woman. I didn't say we had to have sex. But I'm saying I'm not about to be spending money multiple, multiple times. And you're still trying to figure it out. Like sometimes.
Date doesn't have to be money spent because once you start spending money, men's emotions get attached to their money. So what I'm going to do is say, hey, so I won't get mad at you, let's go take a walk. Let's go to a museum, something that's not costing me anything so I don't feel so upset when things go left. Men try to start investing in it. Oh, I'm going to take her here and take her there. She hasn't done nothing for you but show up.
So that's on him. So I do want a traditional woman, but I understand we don't live in traditional times, so I'm not going to put myself in a traditional situation that's going to get me played. I'm going to play regular, do something that's cost-efficient, because if she really likes me, she's going to be there. If you really like a dude, he don't got to...
Now, the guy that you're not really sure about, he might have to spend some money. But the guy that you know you really like, he just got to show up. So I would put her in situations where she has to show me that she likes me naturally. Not because I'm paying for this or paying for that. Not saying we can't get something to eat. But you're paying for one, two, three, four, multiple dates. Like, you got to just be smart and realize that. Hold up.
This is not supposed to go like that. She's still trying to figure me out. I just think you just got to be smarter than that and look around and see that most women, they know when they like a guy. Y'all know right away if y'all like a guy from the first conversation, if you could see yourself being with him. By the second, third conversation, you could see if you could see yourself.
being physical with him. It doesn't take a long time, so I just think he just needs more experience. He'd probably be a younger cat, but he just needs some more experience. He just got his cherry popped. He'll be all right. Maybe... I was thinking, back when I used to be on dating apps, and I'm not on dating apps anymore, and I feel like the women I date now has changed a little bit. So my position on this has changed a little bit.
But my position used to be because I knew what happened when it came to meeting people on dating apps. Kind of to your point, to your point. If you're meeting somebody on a dating app, you have to go in. And I'm not saying that this is how it should be, but it is how it is. You kind of have to go in assuming that they're probably fucking somebody else. And so for this reason, I was actually like, bro, I'm not going to be a traditional guy with you.
If there's a chance you're fucking somebody else or dating multiple other people at the same time, a lot of girls do this. They'll like entertain other dudes while they're fucking at least one other guy to who knows what they're doing. It's like. I would feel kind of wrong if I was investing. Even if it's a $20 fucking hamburger, I ain't going to pay for a girl on a date and then, oh, do all the gentlemanly traditional shit.
And then you get the doggy bag to go. You take it over to the dude's house who you're fucking. Who never paid for anything. You fucked him on the first date. And then you want me to be traditional. You want me to pay for a first date. I was always like. Nah, we can go 50-50. My views have changed a little bit insofar as I feel like I'm dating different kinds of, like, well.
I got off the dating apps, dating different kinds of women, like vetting them beforehand. Are you involved with any other dudes? I'll just straight up ask, like, are there other dudes in the picture? If there are, I'm not interested. But back then, I'm like, yeah, these girls are probably dating maybe even fucking another dude. Not going to pay for the first date.
And real quick a lot of times woman will he likes you and she's respect your effort She'll offer to pay for the day or do something for you or I'll cook this company on so it's like she didn't offer him nothing, but I OU's and he ate that up like no You're a clown. Yeah. And also just a point on this. Like in terms of if you want to get the girl, you should pay for the date. It's just like the most optimum move. Like even if it's unfair or whatever.
Like you should just pay for that shit cuz it's just like some girls are gonna be like, okay they're going to have an issue with it. So if you're, if you're actually, your goal is to get the girl, like you can do the whole like, Oh, equality to shit. But if you're trying to like min max, be most optimum when it comes to dating, you should, you should pay. But it's like, I like looking at it from principle.
Like if a girl is fucking another dude, like you should not be doing traditional shit for her. Like she, she can get your providing and protecting when she's your girlfriend, when she's your girl. But if she, like, imagine you fucking died for a chick and then, like, she was going to fuck another dude that night. Like, what the fuck? You know? That's a little extreme. It could be that way, though. You never know.
life is life and it could also happen when you're exclusive you know like oh like cheating yeah and so i feel like you are what you attract and if you want a traditional woman you have to be a traditional man dating and relationships is if we honest it's a dice roll it's all it's all a gamble
All of it is a gamble, man. You don't know. So to come in with this high hopes, gee golly whiz type of shit, like, nah, bro. Like, you got to be realistic. You know what I'm saying? And as a man, I'm sorry. I never jumped into a situation like... I got insurance plans. I got friends. I'm not just blindly giving you everything. No, you're going to earn this shit, and I'm going to put you in situations where...
It's not a transactional situation. You don't owe me nothing. I don't owe you nothing. I'm assuming you're talking to a person. Sometimes I kind of want you to talk to somebody because now you can compare, contrast, and say, okay. I see. Sometimes you got to let things go to see if it's really worth it. So if she's talking to another guy, don't be jealous. Assume that. She's not your girl. She's not in your bed. You should assume she's talking to somebody else. And you should too.
you should be talking to somebody else you're just talking i'm not saying you should be having sex with multiple people but if take away the intimacy part male and female in the beginning i don't think there's anything wrong with literally talking to different people you're gauging out who's who and what's what so a man come into a situation well we had a date she told me that we might and i believe her then that's what you get like who
Where are you from? Like, I don't know. It's all about where you're from and how you grow up. I grew up in a fast-paced environment, so I had to learn quick. Some people grow up in these rural towns, and they just, you know.
Old McDonald had a farm-ass upbringing, and they try to deal with people, you know what I'm saying, in different environments, and they think everybody's going to feel sorry for them, but the world is fast, bro. You got to catch on quick. I grew up in the New York City metropolitan area. I learned real early.
that women say one thing and do something else. I've seen all the pretty good girls go with the bad guys, so I'm not going to go and say, I'm going to save her. No, I'm going to move accordingly. So some dudes just need to get out their neighborhood, move from their neighborhood, their environment. and just, you know.
Get that wind beneath their wings. You feel me? Get out your head. Get the wind. Yeah, it's going to happen. People get played every day, B. Get over it. You'll be all right. You a man. But, Andrew. This sort of ties into some conversations. We've covered this topic before. This one's a little different, but I mean the whole like waiting for sex thing. And I think like this is just another example on the pile of...
This is the... Probably every guy has some sort of story like this. And we hear it from the women on the show, too. But, Andrew, does this further solidify kind of at least... my position on this when it comes to the whole like waiting for sex thing well not i mean not really um because your idea here is you want disclosure right
And you want disclosures so that you can make the determination because you're saying, look, if you want to make me wait, but you just made this other guy who didn't wait not wait, then you have already established that...
you know that she's disclosed this right in this case this guy was victimized now he could say well he didn't have the requisite experience but then if you also say in the next sentence and the thing that will save him from that in the future is getting the requisite experience then we have to admit that he was victimized
There's really no way around that, right? So in this case, Brian, I'm not sure how it actually helps your case because you would demand disclosure or else you wouldn't know that she wasn't willing to sleep with you, right? Or that she had slept with another guy so you could apply the standard.
Well, it's more so, I guess it ties into this whole thing of you're dating a girl and she wants to wait. And then there doesn't have to even be another guy in the picture, but like she... previously like she's had some one night stands her last boyfriend they got they hooked up quickly and then you come into the picture and then she's like oh i want to wait three months i want you know whatever it is and i'm just like but how would you know that
Right. I mean, I would get the disclosure, hopefully. Right. That's my whole point, right? It's like, so that's why this doesn't actually solidify your position, because had he had the disclosure... This whole thing wouldn't have happened to begin with, right? Oh, I'm not really talking anymore about that specific situation. It's more so just kind of the general like...
The waiting. The whole waiting thing. That I have a quarrel with. Where like. If. If. Look. Women are free. Look. If you had sex with a hundred men. I mean, I wouldn't be interested in you if you had sex with 100 men. But if she previously had sex with 100 men within 30 minutes of meeting them, and then I come into the picture.
I mean, that would immediately be a disqualifier. But okay, just for the sake of the hypothetical. And then you want to make me wait six months to have sex? I'm like, I'm going to lose interest. Like I'm just not interested. Well, yeah, I mean, of course. But this has always been your position. Your position on this has always been pretty consistent, which is just...
I would feel like I was playing second fiddle if you decided that you were going to make me wait, and the last ten guys you were with, or five guys, or four guys, or three guys, you immediately went in. I mean, why would I do that, right? What was so special about them? that you would do that with them, and then not special about me that you wouldn't do that with me. So, I mean, I've always understood the argument. Yeah, it's just a raw deal. It's a raw deal for the guy, and I would just...
Like, I would doubt the sincerity of the position. It just feels manipulative. It's like, look, you're free to do what you want. I'm just probably going to immediately lose interest. Well, I've always thought that it was faking virtue, that the idea was to fake virtue. yeah and i mean that's always been my position yeah and there i think one of the girls maybe said it here at the table it's like um i'm trying to think what it was but basically what was it
Oh, it's like, okay, so they view, like the guy who's worthy of the relationship, it's like, oh, you're worth waiting for. But it's like, so you treated the guy who's most, who's deserving of the relationship. worse than the fuck boy it doesn't make sense like you're so important to me i treated sex like it was sacred for you
But not the other 50 guys who I gave it to on the first night who were fuckboys and were assholes. Yeah, but that's because I respect myself now, Brian, and I didn't respect myself then, right? That's because I respect myself now. True. Yeah, I do think that there's a significant amount of fake virtue that comes with this. And the idea is just...
She's shit testing you, right? Shit testing you. And the virtue aspect of this is to say, well, look, I'm virtuous. You're virtuous. We're all virtuous. When perhaps that's not the case because... Most of the time I hear them say this is, I want to make the right guy wait.
The right guy being a guy who I consider virtuous. So if you're not sleeping with him because he doesn't want a woman who is promiscuous, then wouldn't you just be faking this as a virtue? That then becomes the question. I think guys got to realize... And it's kind of tricky, but you got to understand how women speak. They're not going to give you the answers.
They're going to speak in code sometimes. I know it sounds weird. I know a lot of guys are so black and white and say, well, she should have said it. She's not going to say it. If she likes you, she's not going to make you wait. Unless she's a virgin. Unless she's a virgin and she's telling you to wait, it's because she doesn't like you that much. She likes you enough to see that you might take care of her. But who she likes for a relationship?
And versus who she's attracted to versus who she thinks is safe for her is two different things. And sometimes guys are the safe guy. You're not who she's attracted to. And we be thinking, why is she attracted to women? objectivity regardless of what they say and i think a lot of times men be listening to what women literally say and believe them
And she's not going to tell you the answer. She's going to reveal certain things. And women, y'all may not admit it, but it's true. Women are going to tell and say certain things that publicly feeds their image. But behind the scenes, they're not always going for the super-duper nice guy.
a little rough around the edges. He might be going through something. They don't want this cookie cutter guy. So a lot of guys who come with that cookie cutter energy and get played out, they think the woman did them wrong. It's like, no, you too busy listening to women tell you what a
man should do instead of just being a man and follow your energy. Don't be abusive. Don't be wild. But a woman who likes you is not going to tell you to wait. She don't even talk like that. She's only talking like that to the guy that she knows will wait. While she actually gives herself to the guy who just be himself. And she likes that. So I think guys just need to learn about women more.
I don't understand this position, though, because from my end, it just seems like you're blaming the men. Let's ask the ladies. The men say, well, wait, yeah, I listened to what she actually said and heard exactly what she said.
said and so yes of course based on what she said i did x thing uh that's how human beings operate right we listen to what each other that that's what we have to go on you ever had a girl say stop doing it but she really wanted to keep going hang on i just listen i just listen listen back
Okay, so I think that the idea here that there's like a special code that is easy to crack or something like this, I think that that's in many ways foolishness. I think ultimately... that men themselves what other barometer do they have to go off of except communication they have to communicate now like with anything you have to utilize your intuition with communication and understand double speak get that from men sometimes too
uh but i don't i don't really understand what else you have to go on and if you say well you should have known better even though she told you everything in the opposite it just sounds like you're blaming the guy for it and giving the woman a pass i'm not giving her a pass because i know it's like this man
You can listen to what people say or you can observe what they do. I don't listen to what people say. I look at what they do. I look at the actions of women. I see women say, I want a nice guy, but do they oftentimes end up with the guy that's cookie cutter and perfect? Most of the time. No. So obviously what they're telling you is not what they want. So as a man, it's like you got children. Your children, your child might say something, but you know they mean something else.
You're the man. You're supposed to have this sixth sense of life. That's why we're the leaders. Everything a woman says is not literally what she wants. She's going to say things because women are trying to protect their image most often than not. They don't want to come off like...
Like, I know a lot of women, and secretly I've met friends, female friends, that say, you know, I really want, I want to dress like this, but I don't want people to look at me this way. Or sometimes I want to be a little more liberated. Or one day I want to try stripping. I don't think it's cool, but women are not going to always tell you they're angry.
You got to just assume and look at society and look at the world we live in. If she wants you, she's going to give herself to you. She's not going to make you wait for no six and seven or eight months. And if you believe that because she said that, I just don't think you're going to give herself to you.
You're paying attention to what women actually do. You're listening to what they say. But that's what I'm saying. It's all about where you come from. Where I come from, you got to read body language. You got to read how people move. If I listen to what people say all the time, I wouldn't even be here.
So I'm looking at more than just what they're saying. I'm looking at what they're doing. But if women are these excellent manipulators, as you are kind of pointing out and stating it's a manipulation tactic because they're actually doing the opposite of what they're saying.
Why is there some assumption here then that if this is the case, that they're not going to have their actions at least in some way sync up to what it is they're telling you? The hundreds and hundreds of men that I talk to, for instance, they say... There was no signs of problems. It seemed like she was acting in the exact same way she...
She told me, right? She was acting the same way that she told me. These red flags were not always apparent, right? And then bam, there's a bombshell. Like what happened to this poor guy? Bam, he's hit with a bombshell. Everything's going good. Everything seems to sync up.
saying and doing seems to be uh on par right he doesn't see any of these red flags and then bam gets hit with a bombshell and it's like so if it is the case in the one side you say well they're kind of expert manipulators got to read between the line and if you read between the lines
you'll know how to kind of crack this code. It's like, okay, but at the same time then, why couldn't they just also, you know, sync their words with their actions and trick you that way? That seems to be something which happens often. She did it for the other guy.
That she liked. She didn't do it for him. Yeah, but he didn't know that. She never did anything. Based on that post, it was a lot of assumptions. And I think, I feel, it seems like he was talking like a girl to me. That's how women talk.
I don't hear men talking like that. No offense, ladies. He was talking like he was in his feelings. He didn't sound like a man to me. He didn't sound masculine to me. Just because she agreed to eat your food that you bought does not mean she likes you because that's what she said. She didn't do nothing but just go on dates. But all she did was go on dates with him. And he said,
I think it's going good. I took her out to eat three times and she actually showed up. I think we're going places. That's what he believed. That's on him. Can I add something? Does that mean that his feelings are just completely invalid now? Is that what you're saying? No, what I'm saying is he.
You can't put yourself in situations where you're not getting anything but words I understand that but some people like when it's happening They can't see for what it is so for you to say like he's dumb He shouldn't have done that. I don't actually believe that cuz I feel like
When you actually like someone, you can't see that you're getting played or you wouldn't sit there and get played. You know what I'm saying? So as much as he would have liked to see that he was getting played, I don't think that he saw it. And to say that he should have been more of a man, he should have been more of a man. Who cares how masculine it is? I still think it's.
feelings are valid you know i think if he looks back he's gonna say ah because a lot of times when i talk and that's fine but does that invalidate his entire experience no but i can't call him a victim you know what i'm saying i just think he was misled and i think he just was not really
He doesn't really understand the relationship dynamic today, and he's just very green. And bless his heart. We need good people like that. That's great that he's very green and he just assumed, took things at face value. That's cool. But if you're dealing in this modern world with these modern...
women and until it's you know she's your woman she's not your woman if you want to keep financing dates for a woman that you haven't confirmed that's your woman that's a gamble that you're taking brother yeah it's like a hundred percent but i still feel like he might not have like relationship experience before. I still feel like his feelings are valid because say that was his first relationship. He's figuring it out. He is a hundred percent right in my opinion.
Only because, like, you got hurt. Like, you didn't know what was happening. You didn't know what you were doing. So to say, just be more of a man, I feel like he's learning. Let him learn. Like, you know? No, he learning. He's going to learn. There are red flags. So the first red flag is, first of all, you're... dating for a year and you're just going on dates? Like, what are we doing? I mean, that's definitely red flags. That's a red flag. Like, like he said, I agree with him. Like, us women.
If we know we like someone, we're typically not going to say no. Now, you guys may disagree, but if we're being honest. Yeah. we're not gonna be like oh no i'm gonna make you wait for seven eight like that's crazy that's really like crazy like this is we're in 2024 like let's be real that's not even realistic and and he
There were red flags. He just didn't see them for whatever the reason was. But he has to take accountability for just like we do. We all get in bad relationships. We live and we learn. But you've got to take accountability. I mean. hello but it's that but it's still his story and he's still like you know what i'm saying like i'm not saying that like he should have done what he done and like he should continue doing what he does but what i'm saying is like to
And validate his feelings completely is weird. He didn't allow someone to date a girl for a whole year and just go on a bunch of dinner dates. But it still doesn't take away from what it is. And assume we're in a relationship. But it is a little strange that he didn't ask. What do we expect him to take accountability for? He didn't do anything wrong. No, he didn't do anything wrong to anybody else. He wronged himself. He played himself.
He disrespected himself and his time and his money. If that mattered that much to him, then that should have been established in the beginning.
yeah i just kind of reject this idea that men have like some type of six cents crystal ball where they can see in the future and just know it's not about seeing the future it seems it seems to me completely reasonable to have uh you know expectations of the opposite sex that they don't lie and mislead you and fuck a bunch of other dudes while you're dating them that just seems it seems like it seems totally reasonable to me to have that expectation now i understand the argument of saying
But Andrew, in the current modern dating world, that's not reality. I understand that portion of it, right? Perhaps it's not reality. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to bash a guy for having those expectations because totally reasonable expectations to be like, well. We're not bashing based on what that. I'm sorry, y'all. Based on what that.
That thread said I didn't see anything conclusive from her side that would make me think she's mine or she's waiting for me. He's saying it felt like, it seemed like. he she didn't say you're my guy and we have a future he said she's giving off feelings as if it might be people lie and men do too i've been in a situation where i have friends
And I love, I'm all for the brothers. I'm all for the men. I'm for people, period. But I'm not going to just say whatever just to fit anybody's narrative. I got friends. They'll say, yo, she tripping. She doing this. And then you'll really be a fly on the wall for that situation and be like.
bruh you goofy that's not that's that's what you're telling me she did she didn't really do it like that like men embellish too and men lie to themselves too because the girl is cute and they like it's a reddit thread We don't know what she said, and the stuff that he said about her isn't conclusive, and it isn't enough for me to put all my eggs in one basket and focus on her. Nothing she did said that.
I should be focused on this woman. He assumed that. Nothing she said or nothing he said that she said shows me that. All you got on a relationship in the beginning is your intuition and the way that people are acting and the way that they're moving towards each other. What else? What was her actions? Showing up to eat?
Well, maybe he thought she was traditional, like you were saying, and was waiting to not give herself away. Yeah, if you're under the assumption, and you're being led under that assumption, you could say he was wrong. That's fair to say that he was wrong. But I don't think it's fair to say he did anything wrong.
or that he was out of pocket here. I think that it's far more reasonable to say, okay, I had a reasonable expectation that we were inside of an actual relationship moving towards that because that's... All of the signs, all the signals, all the everything. uh we're demonstrating that now what else do you have except that conversation intuition what else do you have respectfully what was the signs because if a woman if i'm inviting a woman to eat and she shows up
But he didn't explain nothing. That's what he said. So we just assume he's telling the truth. I'm not going to do that. I don't assume people tell the truth. What I heard was, I took that out. Okay. What I heard was I invited her out to eat. She showed up and ate multiple times. And I feel like we are getting somewhere. That's not showing me anything. Now, if I took her to eat and she took me to eat.
Then I would say, oh, maybe she's into me. Because sex is off the table. We're not intimate. So if we're not having sex, what is she doing to show me that I have a chance with her besides showing up to eat? Nothing. So if you are believing that and thinking because she came to eat, which most people will do.
And you think because she came to eat on your dime multiple times that that means y'all are going for a year. That's all on him. What? I don't know no man who will do that for a year. I don't know, man. That seems. Would you do that? Would you do that? Well, I'm only taking the story at the value of the story. What'd you do it? Hang on, hang on, hang on. What I'm not doing is I'm not reinventing this story.
I'm only taking it at face value and contending with what the guy is saying. Now we can add new, hang on, we can add new inventions to the story in order to make it sound this way or that way. I'm literally only contending with what's being said, assuming... that for right now it's true because we don't have anything else to match it against.
Okay, so we don't, but as men, what do we say? We push back when women say believe all women, so I'm not going to believe all men either. Based on what he said, I took her out to eat for a year, and she gave herself to somebody else. That's not what that means. When they say believe all...
all women, they're talking about a specific thing, which is SA, right? And so that's what the point of contention is there. I think, genuinely speaking, I do believe most men's experience in relationships over most women. To be honest with you, I really do. I think that was his chance to take that risk factor of waiting for her, not knowing that she has done something. But I feel like that's more on him on that part, but morally it's not.
uh right for her to do that either in my perspective but again I just think it should have been brought up in the beginning if that was that serious and that um important to him then it just should have been asked in the beginning if she was sleeping with other people or not apparently it wasn't such a big thing to her because that's what she's doing um i don't know that's i now this i would say right i have to i have to say is reasonable
to say okay in the beginning we've established firm boundaries this and that I understand the principle behind this and it makes total sense to me but this is why I brought up the hypothetical of for instance if you had genital warts would you disclose it You say yes, and it's because you know that the person, if they're informed of that, is going to make a different decision.
because now they know the situation. I think it's the same thing in this instance, that there's some kind of duty or obligation here if you know that this person's moving towards a relationship but would not, if you revealed that information, to reveal that information to them. That seems totally reasonable. Same thing if like a guy was a multiple felon.
Wouldn't you want to know that? Or if they were guilty of domestic violence, you would want to know that. And the reason you'd want to know those things is because that's the best way you can make an informed decision about what it is that you're doing.
there's a duty and obligation to do that. So, Andrew, let me ask you a quick question. Sure. Would you take a woman out on dates for a complete year and think that y'all going somewhere and y'all didn't do anything? What is going somewhere to you, though? But whether or not I would... So to answer your question directly, right? Of course not. But the thing is, first and foremost, I'll make a couple things clear. So here's my olive branch to you.
I don't know anything about women, and I know no shit about dating. I've been out of the dating market for years, right? I'm what you would consider to be a logician. That's basically what I do. I run everything through a prism for Christian ethics and logic.
I'm not saying that you don't know more about dating than me. All of you most certainly know more than I do. I'm in no position to give anybody advice about dating at all. So that's kind of my olive branch to you. But I can just say here that...
What I'm not willing to do, if I'm just looking at it from the prism of... who's doing the right things, who's doing the wrong things from the moral prism, from Christian ethics, from these kind of standpoints, it seems to me that it's completely reasonable to believe a person's telling you the truth. And to make inferences that if they know that you want to be exclusive and you know that that's what they're working for, even if you haven't established that boundary.
that they have some obligation to tell you that, or they're in the wrong. I think that that's totally fair. Now, is that reasonable or does it map onto the reality of the situation? No, probably not, right? So you're probably right there. Like, he should have known this, he should have known that. Maybe all of that's true. Right? But I still think that I'm going to hold, if this is all true, her accountable for this and not him because I don't see what he actually did wrong. Okay.
We are going to move it on. We are going to move it on here. We have a question here from Stifler. Ask everyone to rate their own looks on the scale of 1 to 10. Go ahead. 7. All right. What about you? I don't know. Like maybe an eight. Okay. Ten. All right. Solid five. Okay. Nine. Nine, okay. A seven. All right. I would say a five or a six. What about you? I'd say I'm a strong eight. Okay, I give myself a five. Andrew, what about you?
Wow, with so many 8s, 9s, and 10s on the panel, I could just never be anything less than a 10 myself. Yeah, we do have, we got the 10, and then we got the 9. I just want to say, I think all the ladies here are tens. I know. Everyone said so low. Just the ladies. Just them. Wait, question for you. Are all women tens? Yes. Okay, are all men tense? Yes. You guys are tense too. Now your attitude can make you...
Less than, but we're saying looks. No, but it's looks. Everyone here is a 10. Okay. But doesn't it defeat the point of the question? So you're saying that all people on planet Earth are of equal attractiveness? I would say everyone's a 10, but everyone also has their own opinion of beauty, right? So I might be attracted to... Because that would include you. You would have an opinion about beauty as well, right?
Yeah, but my attraction to people is different than what their actual beauty is. Yeah, sure, but by using whatever the subjective standard is that you use to determine attractiveness for yourself... then you could not make the determination everybody was a 10 because you find some people less attractive than others. I wouldn't say that I find people less attractive than others. I just am attracted to certain people.
Well, then that's finding some people less attractive than others. It means I have a type. It doesn't mean that they're less attractive. Yeah, so then the type that you're attracted to is more attractive to you than the type you're not attracted to, which means that you're attracted. Let me give you an example. Some people more attractive than other people. Let me give you an example. I think most people would say that Rihanna is extremely gorgeous. She's a 10.
But is she my type? No, but I do recognize that she is a beautiful woman, but she's not my type. She's okay. Yeah, but so you have less attractiveness towards a woman like this who you also think is pretty, right? Sorry, can I repeat that? So you're less attracted to this woman, but you also understand that she's pretty, right? You can use whatever metric you're using, you can still determine she's pretty. However, that would still, whatever you're attracted to, attractiveness...
right? If you're rating physical beauty from your subjective metric, then if you're attracted to some people, not others, then they're less physically attractive than the people you're attractive to, right? No, I know Rihanna is a 10. I know she's... Perfect, but she's not my type. What? Does she attend to you? Yes, she's a 10. I'm just, she's not my type. Then why aren't you attracted to her? I don't know. The universe made me not attracted to her.
Sexual attraction. You got a physical 10, you got a mental 10. Sexual attraction is different than physical. Yeah, but we're talking about looks. Yeah, we're talking about physical beauty only. That's it. So physically, is everybody a 10? Physically, she's a 10. Yeah, okay, so if that is the case, right, that you say the physical beauty, she's a 10, but you have no attraction whatsoever, right, then what would you scale somebody that...
I don't know, it was like a multi-ICU burn victim, half their tongue hanging out of their mouth, right? They have a hunchback, you know, the whole top of their face is gone, there's bones sticking out. Are they a 10? They're still beautiful. Is Donald Trump a 10? Yeah, Donald Trump's a 10. Is Donald Trump a 10?
Is he a 10? Say it. I thought we don't get into politics. Oh, we do get into politics. You can fuck Donald Trump. Wait, question. You're a lesbian. If he transitioned to a woman, would you, like, fuck... DT? He is not my type. No, she, excuse me. My apologies. I misgendered. She would transition. He would transition. I don't know. I would love to see Donald Trump as a woman. Dude, I was saying, so before he ended his last term, I was like, just to stick it to the libs, like...
Just transition to a woman and just be like, I'm the first female president. Like, fuck you guys. That would have been like a massive W. No response. Is who? Is Lizzo a 10? No. She said an answer really quick. W. Yeah, no. I don't want to look at, I'm sorry. Like, I like, no. What's wrong with Lizzo? There's nothing wrong with Lizzo. Yeah, yeah. Hold on.
She, in my opinion, is not a 10 out of 10 on a scale of looks. The gal next to you, who said everybody's a 10? The gal next to you said everybody is beautiful in a 10. I'm asking you. Is Lizzo a 10? She's a 10 to some people, you know, like what you're saying. And actually, I think Lizzo is gorgeous. Her skin's flawless, you know? It is. Everyone has 10 qualities.
Everyone has 10 qualities. Yeah, that's true. Everyone at least has something on them that is a 10 quality. Yeah, for sure. We talk about physical though, man. Wait, wait, wait. What's the 10 quality on Donald Trump? Go ahead. It has to be the hair. It has to be the hair. His booty? You like his booty, don't you? He has a nice tan. I don't think I've ever... His height! Like, you'd want to clap them cheeks, right? Let me think. Probably... He has, like... Eyes?
Eyes, yeah. Oh, he has eyes? He's human? Dope. You know what I mean? I mean, he has nice, like, probably... Like, probably, I haven't. You haven't even seen them. I need a photo. What's the 10 on Trump? Please can someone pull up a photo? Pull up the mugshot. I need a mugshot. Pull up the mugshot. Okay, we're going to pull up a photo of Trump and you're going to say, what's a 10 on it? Get that mugshot going.
Okay, guys, while we're getting that pulled up, guys, like the video. Like the video, boys. Like the video. Also, can we pull up Stalin, too? Pull up Stalin. Are we reading Stalin? Yeah, okay, hold on. Find a Wikipedia, the young Stalin. I'll grant you young Stalin. Not... No, it should be old Stalin because after like the millions of murders and then also pull up. Can we pull up? Who is the Argentinian dictator? Fidel Castro. No. What's his name? What's his name? Pinochet.
Oh, that's Chile. Excuse me. Oh, my God. I'm obviously an expert in Latin American. Geography is rough. Pinochet, please. Excuse me. Pull up Pinochet. Saddam. Saddam Hussein. Oh, God. Osama Bin Laden. Oh, my God. Pull up Osama. Pull up Osama. Pull up Osama. Who? Nala. Nala. And then. Now. Now. Now. Now. Mao Zedong. Mao Zedong. You working on it, Damien? And then also... It's going to be an all-communist rating tonight. Should we also do some more fascist people, like Mussolini?
Let's get Mussolini in there, and then also for the coup de gras. Well, we got to do Karl Marx then. I think the coup de gras, we also got to pull up the H-man. No, no, we can't do that. We can't pull up H-man? No. Yeah, don't do it. Really? Well, I didn't expect to rate a date-tater today. Okay, what do we got? What do we got? Who do we have? I want all of them. Do you have all of them? Do you have it ready?
Okay, let's go Trump. Okay, go pull him up. Where's the mugshot? Oh, man. What do we got? F11? Is it F11? All right, let's get it going. Oh, my God. The worst picture. I want to say yes. some nice eyebrows you know what his hair looks really soft and it's really blonde he's got a tendon hair softness yes his hair looks incredibly soft oh let's not do it okay let's maybe oh no hitler but epstein's okay
I think that goes against something, right? Probably. Community guidelines. That goes against community guidelines. Here, do Pinochet and Stalin. We'll leave it there. Okay, you got Pinochet. Do you have Stalin? Young Stalin. Look at that. Oh my goodness. Strong features. He has really good skin. He has really good skin. When you smash Pinochet? Who was this again?
Pinochet. Pass. Would you smash? No. You wouldn't smash? I thought he was a 10, though. I wouldn't smash most people. Oh, okay. Would you smash Pinochet? No. Nobody? Anybody? Like what? Okay, whatever. Your loss. He said please. And then Stalin. Young Stalin. Do you have Young Stalin? No. Young Stalin. Young Stalin. Quick, Damien. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's doing good.
There we go. Yeah, that's him. All right. He's handsome. He's a handsome guy. You'd fuck stolen, right? Yes, he has good hair. Who'd fuck stolen? He has nice hair. He has gorgeous hair. Dude, if this guy was alive today, he'd be fucking. All these fucking laughs. Fucking libtards. He'd fuck all of them. He'd be smart. Sorry. Am I being hilarious? It's true, bro. He'd be Hassan Piker. He'd be Hassan Piker.
Holy shit, that's true. Dude, he'd be fucking half of Twitch, bro. Oh my god. Okay, alright. Good talk. Young fanboy Stalin. Yeah, there you go. Alright. Anyways, good talk. Okay, going back to the whole 10 thing. Did you pull up John Wayne Gacy real quick? I'm saying John Wayne Gacy. Do John Wayne Gacy. I do. I do have a question. Why is it so difficult for average looking women to admit they're average? Amen. I'm...
You know what I mean. No offense. That's horrible. I'm not talking about you guys. Obviously, all of you are 10s, but all the other women out there that are average, they just...
No, I feel average. The Whatever Podcast has the most beautiful women in the world. We have the most beautiful women. I know for sure that the Whatever Podcast has the most beautiful women in the world because all you have to do is ask them. Yeah, we just ask them and they tell us. Because what they say, obviously. Because what they say. They're right, 100%. Okay, all right. So here, we'll do this, and then...
Do you think you will be better looking in 10 years time? So you're 23, better looking at 33? It depends. Better looking in 10 years time. I think so. I think so. Maybe. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. 20 years time at 43. No. Okay. Uh, we don't know your age.
Safe to assume mid-20s, I think. What was the first one, 20 years from now? No, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time? In 10 years' time? Yeah. I don't know, maybe with a Pilates membership? I mean, you're pretty fit, right? I mean, I could always be more fit. Okay. But then like also 10 years of aging. You know what? My, the women in my family, they age pretty well. I'm not concerned.
Okay, 20 years time at... Also, the women on whatever have the most beautiful female family members as well. Yeah, it's true. It is true. The most beautiful family member. Graceful aging. I know this because they... Oh, go ahead. yeah it's true it's true my aunt's gorgeous she was gorgeous up until she was like 90 Flawless again. Actually, hold on. We do have a message here from Meet the Kaiser. I'd give the H-man a solid nine. Nine, nine, nine, nine, nine.
Out of 10. All right. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Not a 10. H-Man doesn't get a 10. Unfortunate, I guess. Better looking in 20 years time? I don't know. Maybe. Well, what do you think? Maybe not. It's hard to say. Maybe not. 30 years time? I mean, I think probably not. Who knows? All right. That was an answer. You're 34. Better looking in 10 years time at 44.
I think I'll look great at any age. I mean, so I'll just go ahead and grant that people can be attractive into their 40s, 50s, etc. I suppose the question is, though, you're 34 currently. Do you think you'll be better looking? in comparison in 10 years time? I'll look just as attractive. Okay. What about 20 years time? Same. 30 years time? Same. 40 years time? Yep. 50 years time?
I'm going to look great until I die. What happens the day that you die that makes you less attractive? What? What happens the day you die which would make you less attractive? I'll be in the ground, so... The day you die, you won't be visible. I mean, maybe not the day I die. There'll be an open casket, I guess. Well, I hope I'll be cremated. Oh, cremation. Okay, so no, like, embalming? Like, do you think you'll be hotter after you're embalmed?
maybe because yeah maybe you know they i've never thought i'd have to think about that they can really work magic they put on some makeup put on a little red so you're you know it might be even more attractive you could be hotter It could be hotter. That's crazy. Yeah. They definitely want you to look your best in the open casket. You know, that's why they put you in a casket. But I want to be cremated. My ashes spread.
Yeah, but I mean, even if you're cremated, they usually will put you in a casket and let people come pay their respects, and then you get cremated. Yeah, I don't want that. You just like, you croak and then write in the oven? Yeah. That's it? Really? I don't want anything. Better, so, okay. And wait, what do you...
Are you a model or what do you do for work again? Me? Who's the model? Somebody's the model. I don't know. I'm in marketing. Oh, you're in marketing. Okay. And then you're 34. Were you better looking at 24 10 years ago than you are now at 34? At 24, I was just as good looking, but I would say when I was like a kid, I looked rough. No, I'm talking about adult. I'm just saying going back 10 years. 10 years. 24. Same.
Same. Same? Okay. You are 23. Will you be better looking in 10 years time at 33? I believe so. 20 years time at 43? No. Okay. You're 25. Do you think you'll be better looking at 10 years time in 35? Yes. 20 years time at 45. Yes. 30 years time at 55. No. Okay. All right. You're 26. Better looking in 10 years time at 36. Yes. 20 years time, 46. Yes. 30 years time, 56. Probably not. Okay. You're 25. Better looking in 10 years time at 35. Yeah. 20 years time at 45. No. Okay.
You guys heard of this thing called aging? Yes. People age backwards. So a question for you. So you'll be, I think you said, did you say better looking or just the same? You'll be the same at 55. The same or better. So if I could wave a magic wand that would advance your outward appearance 20 years. and you stay there for 20 years and it doesn't aid like you don't you're not going to die 20 years sooner you're not going to get cancer 20 years sooner if you were to get cancer uh you're not
There's not any actual health ramifications. Strictly your outward physical appearance, if we could advance it forward 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, those of you here at the table who say you'll be better looking in 10 years' time.
uh do you take me up on i think every single one of you said you'll be better looking in 10 years time so do you take me up on advancing your outward physical appearance by 10 years I would say no, and the reason why I said I would look better in 10 years' time, I'm not, I can't speak for anyone else, but, you know.
skincare treatments, taking care of yourself. When I was much younger, I didn't wear sunscreen. I didn't take care of myself as far as makeup and skincare. So I think that putting in effort over time... And I'll just have more of my life together at that point so I can afford to maybe look better and put more time and effort. So what would you do in 10 years time that you aren't currently doing now?
I don't know, like maybe skin resurfacing treatments or like, you know, chemical peels, like more expensive moisturizers. I don't know. I mean, your skin looks pretty okay right now. Granted, you are wearing makeup, but... I don't know. Maybe it will look amazing in 10 years. Who knows? We don't know what technology we'll have like that. Well, assuming you didn't have access to those interventions, does your answer change? Maybe, yeah.
Okay. What about like four, did you say in 20 years time too? 20, 30 years? I don't remember to be honest, but I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think I'll look better, but who knows. So you just said 10 though. I said, yeah, I said in 10 years maybe. Okay. So who takes the deal? I'll do it. Magic wand, advance your looks 10 years, you stay there for 10 years, and then you just continue with your aging. Who here takes it? Oh.
See, I'm only 23. I want to be in my 20s still right now. No, but I mean, doesn't everybody want to be better looking? Personally? All of you said you'd be better looking in 10 years time. Personally, I just want to go through all the stages. I've seen photos of my mom and my grandmother in their 20s, their 30s, their 40s, and I just think they look beautiful at every stage, so I would want to go through that.
okay i have uh well i have a follow-up on this um when it comes to like wearing makeup Why don't if like you look better as you get older, why don't women, you know, there's makeup that's used in theatrics and film, for example, that can age you and make you look older.
And most women are not employing these kind of makeup techniques to make them look older, like putting on wrinkles, putting on lines, this sort of thing. Why do you think that is if you're going to be more attractive in 10 years time? I don't think it's necessarily about like the wrinkles or things like that but for example for me one thing that changed when I got older was just like my face shape and like having a more full face to like my face thinning out a little bit more and to me that.
makes me more attractive. Your face thinned out as you got older? Older, yeah. I don't understand this idea like the, what are you talking about, like the baby fat or whatever? Mm-hmm. I mean, I think... Perhaps there's a differential here. Who got this idea that super sharp features on the woman makes her more attractive? Beauty culture?
Yeah, but if you look at Asian cultures, for example, more rounded features are typically exemplified. We're in America, so our beauty culture is very different. Yes, even in America, the softer features on women tend to be deemed...
Well, it's not that it's one or the other. I think a woman with more sharp features can be very attractive, but also a woman with more soft, rounded features, also very attractive. I feel like it's whatever fits their face. And if a girl does her makeup wrong, that will fit their face wrong.
Like if you do sharp makeup, you're supposed to do soft like you're supposed to do soft. But it's a girl thing, I guess. I suppose if the trade-off is I lose some of the fat in my face, but... all the other corresponding things that come with a i don't know if that trade-off is really worth it but i will say that i don't think that having more baby fat made me look bad it's just that now that i'm older
I still don't look my age, but I like that I look more my age, if that makes sense. Okay. We were going around the table on something. It was, oh, the magic wand. Do you take it? So just to clarify, because you had mentioned it as well, I'm assuming that in the 10 years, I do have access to procedural... things like Botox for wrinkles or advanced longevity, science, you know.
you know, like freaking science biohacking sort of things, exercise access to, I don't know, a different routine to work on musculature and composition. So is that out of the picture as well? To be fair, I know these procedures are available. I guess I just want really quick before I answer that question to the panel here. A woman at 20 who's taking good care of herself and, you know, there's not any crazy skin defects or crazy acne or anything. Just assume normal girl, 20 years old.
comparing her to herself at Fort. And let's, let's, um, there's different ways we can approach this. There's like body and then face.
let's stick to just face to begin with but i guess we could do body too let's assume she's fit though at 20 and also fit at 40. so there's like perhaps some differences to like the skin right like i mean you start getting like little dots and skin differences and stuff whatever but soon the fitness is like pretty comparable at both ages do you guys think that a 40 year old woman who has Botox and all that shit
is going to be more attractive than herself naturally at 20? Sometimes that is possible because when you're in your early 20s, even late 20s sometimes, you're not always taking care of yourself because you're grinding you're working longer hours like you're just you're just trying harder in life and i feel like once you get older i would just make a counter argument and say that like you've comparing 20 to 40.
Are you saying that the stress from 20 to 40, there's no stress that's accumulated in a 20-year period? I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is having more time for yourself and not working yourself so much. Do you think 20-year-olds or 40-year-olds are more stressed out? 20. 40 year olds. It depends on the 20 year old and it depends on the 40 year old. You know how much easier life was when I was 20?
Versus now at 35? What's the difference? What's the environment? It's a different environment right now. The 20-year-olds right now are stressed the hell out. And not even that. Over what? You could say that. I mean, you could ask a few. 50 year old man like what's his hardest time he might tell you now and not 20 but then another 50 year old man might tell you when he's a teenager was the hardest time of his life so that stress will have already accrued the i don't know if mitochondrial damage
Like the stress has already had its impact. So you've already accrued the like supposed damage that would have occurred from the stress. But you know when you go through something the first time and you have to learn the tools and then you have a tool. So then you're like, oh, I can get through it next time. Let's assume the stress level is identical. How about that? Just to make things simple. The stress level is identical.
We're making this question really deep. Why is this question so deep? And it's like we're never going to win this conversation. Here's the scenario. I would argue, I mean, I'm granting that the stress level is equivalent. I genuinely think that the accumulated and accrued damage from the stress is going to be greater this impact.
on uh your looks is going to be greater at 40 than what has manifested itself at 20 but i'll just grant that the stress is totally the same whatever so if we're comparing a 20 year old woman to her 40 year old self but the 40 year old self has access to what's currently available on the market botox whatever the fuck the other stuff is i don't know which one's more attractive
I would still say maybe the older version because you have more confidence. You have more life skills. Like when you're younger. Oh, my God. Oh, sorry. 20 year olds. I think confidence affects your looks. That's like a really big. I just wonder why all the beauty products that are anti-aging and none of them are forward aging. I've never seen one time a beauty product that was marketed. This will age you 10 years. I've never, I've never seen that. Never seen any marketing of like.
this will give you more wrinkles. I've literally never seen that in my life. It always seems to be the reverse. All the beauty products seem to be, oh, this will make you look younger. This will make you, you know. Well, that's it, really. Just it'll make you look younger, right? That's how they market almost all of them. I want to almost grant to you that the 20-year-old is shy and then the 40-year-old is... Confident. I would say honestly. But honestly.
to that directly i don't want to grant it i think i do feel prettier now only because when you get older you start looking back like oh i can't see what i had then so i do feel like actually in 10 years time i would not i would think that i'm prettier now then At 30. Does that make sense? Well, can I ask one more quick question? Can the women at the table just quickly raise their hand if they've ever used an item called anti-aging cream? Some form of anti-aging cream. Like retinol?
Any retinol? Whatever. A product that is marketed as anti-aging cream. Any product marketed as anti-aging cream. Really? I have, for sure. I'm terrible at skincare. None of y'all are going to answer. I haven't used a cream, but I've gotten Botox, if that counts. Really? You don't use any type of skin cream, which is designed to hide wrinkles, eliminate them, eliminate crow's feet, things like that. That would be anti-aging cream.
No, I use only natural products like coconut oil and stuff like that. I was always taught you don't start using things unless you need it. Yeah, I was kind of going to wait until I was older to use that kind of stuff. Yeah, like when I need it, I'll use it, but I'm like 20. Okay, here we'll... Well, I don't understand. What's the coconut oil do?
You're supposed to use that stuff kind of before you actually get the wrinkles as opposed to... Yeah, but what does the coconut oil do? What is it there? Moisturizing. It does multiple things. Does it make your skin look better, does it? I mean, it would be the same as you say. Does it give it a more youthful appearance, does it?
I think there is a big difference between anti-aging products and products that treat other things like acne, hyperpigmentation. There's so many products out there that aren't necessarily anti-aging. If we're talking about anti-aging, like things that... are made for mature skin, right?
Well, let's get everybody's answer. Magic wand. Do you take the magic wand? So, yeah, I was just going to say, you know, I know a lot of beautiful 40-year-olds, and I think that the one thing they don't like is coming with terms of their age. Not that they're less attractive. I don't think they're less attractive than me, but I think it's just it's hard for them to admit that. Yeah.
So do you take the magic wand? Yes, I would take the wand because I would stop at 35. And I feel like people do look better in their 30s just because they have more of their life together. They don't party as much, sleep with their makeup on, and all that kind of stuff. We pick up on habits. But the damage has been accrued.
But the best things that I've been through, I look better after, actually. I've had gloves and horrible breakups. You're making this extreme comparison. These 18-year-old women are meth-addicted, heroin-addicted. The average 18, 19 year old is maybe, okay, maybe they're binge drinking on the weekend. That damage has already been accrued and they're going to be looking rough in their thirties because of all the drinking that they did. It's not like instantaneous. You go out.
and binge drink one weekend and then you're looking rough as fuck it takes time to accrue that shit and that's why like when you see somebody in their 30s and they partied fucking hard it was the first time they went and partied they didn't start looking rough immediately
They're rough in their 30s. But then they already got through that and they got in the healthy lifestyle. I mean, look, I'll grant, like, if you're living really rough, like, maybe you're going to get some bags under your eyes and shit. but like i just i don't understand this whole oh well the 20 year old who's partying there and then that same they partied and then they're like on the health grind
They already accrued the damage. To your liver, maybe, but not necessarily always on the outside. But y'all make it out like, oh, okay, they binge drink twice a week. Yeah, not the best thing to do.
But they're not like, I mean, we could use the extreme like what they're doing fucking heroin and meth and they're all methed out and shit. And then they've been sober for 10 years. Like, is that the example we're using? Or we're using like the average amount of something that somebody parties, which I don't think is going to.
like manifest itself immediately and like immediate outward damage i guess just the things you go through such as college the partying and then when you accomplish that you kind of like feel better about yourself and so then you get in a what about okay 35 year old woman who is uh Going through a divorce. How about her? Well, sometimes people glow up after breakups. I mean, my horrible relationship, I got hotter after. Do you take the wand?
I would take the wand. She takes the wand. You take the wand. I'm a little bit confused about the wand. The wand. It advances your physical appearance, just your physical appearance, 10 years' time. You stay there for another 10 years, and then you age accordingly. You're not going to die sooner. You're not going to get health problems sooner. Just your outward appearance, we advance it 10 years.
You don't take it? Who said they would take the wand real quick? Every other girl besides her. No, I said no because I remember I said... Oh, you don't take the wand. No, I didn't take the wand. They all take the wand. So here's the deal. The Crucible and whatever podcast will actually pay to have cosmetic surgery done to you so that we can add wrinkles to your face. It's completely harmless, right? Thank God I said no. Hang on. They make a mock-up model.
Of you and your face, right? It's 100% safe and they will go in, right? And they will definitely age your face forward by 10 years. Where's my takers? I'll pay for it. We will raise a hand. Here's my takers. You don't have to pay me. You're going to take it? Yeah, right, bro. I mean, I feel like this is the thing.
Do we have it in the Discord, Damien? Can you pull up the Discord and see if we have the preview? Yeah, they're going to age us like 50 plus years. We'll do it. We'll wait until she's back from the... bathroom while we pull up twitch though while we're waiting for her to return guys go to twitch.tv slash whatever drop us a follow and a prime sub that's twitch.tv slash whatever guys it's been 12 minutes since we last had a prime help can somebody
Test it out see if I think it's bugged boys. Can you guys test down see for primes available also guys drop us a follow get us to 95,000 followers on twitch guys I'm gonna be streaming world of warcraft on twitch and then shout let's pull up the discord uh we'll pull that up after we go through the stack on discord guys discord.gg slash whatever let's get that pulled up uh so we'll do that before we go to the age stuff we'll go to the uh go ahead
Oh, okay. We'll do that. Oh yeah, no. I said no. I said no. Next. Why do I look so angry? Damn. That's 10 years or 20 years? That is not 10 years. Next. My family doesn't look like that. You look the same. You look the same. Hey, she's right. She's that coconut oil, for real. All right, next.
Disgusting. Wow. Yikes. What's going on with the upper chest area on there? I feel like these are not 10 years. Realistically, not 10 years. We have cooties or something. No! Horrible. That's bad. That's hot. Next. That is definitely not 10 years time. It's like 20 years. It's like 30 years. Damn. What the? Next. Oh Oh, boy, here it goes. My father looked way better than that. Oh, that's it? Yeah. Oh, wait. We got Andrew? Hey, that's Andrew. Looking good.
Okay. All right. Of course. I like that. All right. Thank you. That was crazy. Oh, and then let's pull up the other stuff on Discord. got the other stuff like from the intro guys discord.gg slash whatever me and andrew have a big announcement guys you for you nerds out there
Okay, guys, we post BTS on the Discord, so you got to join. Go to the wall of whatever. Show them the bingo card. Guys, if you want to play bingo during the thing. And then, guys, me and Andrew, we're fucking teaming up, boys. For the Horde, we are playing. Why can't I find it? What the fuck? There it is. Lower the volume a bit. Pull it back up. Pull it back up. Pull it back up. Hello?
All right, guys, the World of Warcraft tab. Go to Discord.gg slash whatever. Me and Andrew, we're starting a guild, boys. We're starting a guild. Now, boys. This is going to be serious shit, bro. We're going to be clearing Molten Core easy. Wait, wait, wait. Why does that say the alliance? I can't play with you guys, but it's alliance. No, it's Horton. Yeah, we're not doing alliance. Wait, what?
What did you say? No way if it's Alliance. No, I said Horde, didn't I? Oh, okay. Can't do Alliance. No Alliance. Yeah, we're going to do Horde. We're going to do Horde. um so guys if you're interested go to that discord fill out the only send in one message fill out the application if you want to be part of the whatever guild it's going to be and then the crucible will be part of the The guilt. It's a guilt. Good talk. Okay. What were we? We were talking about the rating thing or whatever?
The magic wand. Magic wand. Yeah. Oh, here, final question on this. Do you think men will find you more attractive in 10 years' time? As compared to now. I don't know. I'm not a man. I don't know. Yes. Yeah. We'll go with yeah. Okay. Physically attractive, to clarify. Probably not. Okay. Probably. Okay. I don't think so. No. Okay. It depends on their age. I feel like they always like 10 years younger, so.
So if they're 10 years older than if I'm 35, they're 45, they probably will, you know? They'll always, like, younger. That's what I'm saying. No. Okay. No. Okay. Good talk. Good talk. All right, guys. We're doing something a little new today. I have here... I have them fill out a questionnaire. It's the first time we've ever done this, in addition to all the pre-show notes we have. uh it's a lot so we probably won't be able to get to everything uh i have them do a little circle for all the
All my toxic positions that they disagree with. The first one, though, that we're going to start with is the bear. So going around the table, would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest? Random man, random bear. Like literally, like we're being so literal right now. I would have to say, I don't want to say that though. Um, well, what did you write on the, I think I left a blank to be honest with you.
You did leave it blank. I just looked at it and I was like. You do have to answer though. It's a hard, it's not a hard question. I feel like this is a bad comparison to be completely honest, though. You're not allowed to change your answer. Whatever you wrote here, you have to say it. Are we talking about any man?
Random. Okay, so it's a random man. A random man? Okay, look, here's the scenario. Because I was taught to run from a bear, so I know how to run from a bear. Is it a brown bear or a white bear? It's a pink bear. Oh, then a bear. Hold on. Here's the scenario, okay? I mean... It was already kind of written, but... He said you could have just read it, but... You randomly spawn in the forest. You randomly spawn. Just there. Okay.
Then two buttons spawn in front of you. One of them would spawn a random man. The other spawns a random bear. So you get to pick which one spawns. But we can't change our answer. I would say a bear. No, you can't change your answer. You got whatever you wrote here. You have to say whatever you wrote in the thing. I only say a bear because my family used to go bear hunting, so I know how to run from a bear. Okay, so you pick bear. Yeah.
I picked bear. Okay. I said depends on the man. Well, it's a random man. You don't know. That's why I don't. Bear. Okay. I picked bear. Bear. Man, because I thought he was manly when I read it. I didn't know that it was going to be some random strongy person. Does it change? Honestly, yeah. Oh, so now Bear.
It depends on who it is, but yeah. No, but it's a random, so it could be. Then I don't trust that he's, I guess, a strong, monkey man. It could randomly be. Wait, wouldn't that be worse? He'd be a scary man, a weak man. If he's a strong. An elderly man. No, that's good because then he can protect me. No, no, no. It's not a bear and a man. He's not protecting you from the bear. There's either a man or a bear. Like you're one-on-one with a man or a bear. Oh, I was thinking like just...
He could protect me in any situation in the woods. Let's just assume. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Absence. It'd be bad to be a random man. That's a really strange answer anyway. What if the random man spawned and he's like, oh, I don't give a shit about you. Protect yourself.
That's a possibility, yeah. He gives you to the bear. He finds a bear. My chances of surviving in this forest without you greatly increase. Yeah, why don't I trust my survival instincts over here? Okay, I guess I pick bear then. I said man, but I changed my answer to bear. I thought we couldn't change it. Okay. I say man all the way. Wait, so bear, bear. Can I change my answer? Yeah.
World change. You want to change it? Yeah, but you said we couldn't, so I was sticking with the script. Okay, but originally you wrote Bear. Yeah, originally I wrote Bear. So why did you change? It might be a grizzly bear and I don't... I don't fuck with those. And I'd rather fuck with a stranger in the woods than a grizzly bear. Okay. So those of you, two questions then. Those of you who said bear. Why? Like, why do you pick the bear? And then why don't you pick the man?
See, I would pick the man if I could have the choice of man, but since I don't have the choice, I pick bear because... Wait, can you tilt your mic down a little bit? Yeah. There you go. Go ahead. But I say pick bear because I don't...
Humans sometimes are unpredictable. And if it's a random person, I don't know what they're going to do. And a bear, like, they're just nature. They just probably will run at you and you kind of just. Yeah. So just so I understand this correctly, essentially, I think what you're saying is with the man.
While the bear could kill you with the man, the man could also kill you. He could also assault you in other ways. Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, but the bear might be nice and might kill me. Okay, we'll come back to that. What about you? So why do you pick the bear? Why don't you pick the man? Two answers. Why I picked the bear? I grew up in rural Arizona, so I feel like I went camping all the time, seen lots of bears. I feel comfortable in that situation, for one.
And then two, a man, a random man and a random bear, a man could potentially take away my dignity and then kill me, whereas bear will just kill me. I mean, or like... Eat you and let you die slowly. Well, I mean, a man could do that too. Sure, sure. But have you encountered a bear before? I have, yeah. How many men have you encountered? A lot.
They're scary. Hundreds of thousands? I deal with men all the time for my job. Yeah, but like just walking down the street? Yeah. How many men do you think you've just walked by? I'm not entirely sure. Millions? I wouldn't say millions. Maybe you were in a classroom, start adding these up. You were in a... Probably thousands at least, right? Certainly thousands, right? It doesn't matter the statistic.
Of how many men I've gone past, because if we're being quite honest, the amount of men who have done horrible things to me is pretty high of those situations. What's the percentage? and enough for me to not to to not feel safe around men by myself not to feel safe okay all right before uh we'll get everybody's answers before we get into uh any of the details so um what about you
What was the question? Okay, why do you pick the bear? Okay. And why don't you pick the men? I think the bear is more predictable. And with the man, I have questions. Why is he alone in the middle of the woods? Why am I alone with him? I just, I don't know what he's going to do. I don't think this is going to change your answer, but in the scenario I gave. Um, he's randomly spawns. Yeah. So you like click the thing man. Oh, what am I doing here? What the fuck? Yeah.
This could be a guy who's Saudi Arabian. He's not just wandering. This could be a guy who comes in directly from North Korea. Or this could be a guy who's from Albuquerque, New Mexico, working the night shift at Ralph's, right? So that's what you do.
There's not like a motivation as to why he's in the woods, really. Okay, I still... Wait, actually, I do want to... Do you think men who are, like in real life, who do go into the woods... or go on hikes like do you think like what percentage of those men are like going to that environment with this like express intent to like go victimize a woman
I have no idea, but I love camping and I car camp often. And I've had times where there was just a random man like looking in my car and just like standing in front of my car. I don't. trust it so okay something bad happened okay sure um all right uh what about you i i initially put bear oh you you're switching your answer but i switched it to man okay
Is that your genuine new position? You know, I think physicality-wise, I trust myself to be able to defend myself against a man, irregardless of the weight or stature versus... taking a chance on an animal like a wild animal but you're still even if you pick the man like still like you're still assuming that the man poses like a risk essentially no i mean Not intuitively, not innately. Maybe if you... Okay, sure. What about you?
I mean, I don't feel safe hiking alone. Sure. So I would not feel safe with a man in the woods because they are the higher percentage of psychopaths as well. So it's also... What percentage of men are psychopaths? Because it's a random man. Over women, it's like in the 90s. Wait, 90% of men are psychos? Not 90% of men, but over women. No, that's not true. Psychopathy doesn't even exist. Psychopathy is not in any American...
Psychological book, any of the DSM's, psychopathy is not even there. I saw something that has... Some of the things you would associate with psychopathy doesn't even exist. Let's just grant it though, what percentage of men are psychopaths? I just saw something that like you walk by a certain amount of psychopaths on the street and the percentage higher is men. Yeah, but what percent?
I don't know, but I mean, you could look at serial killer statistics and they're mostly men, so you could, I guess, make a percentage off of that. I mean, so if... I don't understand though. So like, let's say the percentage is 0.0001 in women and it's 0.0002 in men. I think I meant just more serial killers.
Which are all psychopaths. Which is super rare. You know how rare serial killers are. And women are also very much, it's up in the air how many women are serial killers because they kill stealthily. versus overtly so especially in nursing healthcare things like this when they're in positions of caretaker roles that's when women tend to kill the most
Men, on the other hand, they just do it much more violently, right? Yeah, I was talking about in the woods, technically. But so what's the percentage of serial killers, I guess, now? We could look it up. Okay, how about this? Do you think it's less than 1%? Of what? Of the male population? I feel like 1% is a lot, so probably. Maybe. So you went to high school, right?
Yeah, I graduated college. How big was your high school? Like 2,000 people. Your class or the whole, all four years? My class, my class. So there were 8,000 people at your high school? Yeah, I went to a big high school. Okay, so 4,000. So I'll give you the clarification, Brian, real quick. Roughly 1.2% of adult men in the United States are considered to have clinically significant levels of what are considered psychopathic traits compared to 0.7% of adult women.
However, the traits which they consider to be psychopathic does not actually make you a psychopath, right? So they're looking at things like... hang on let me pull up the traits here it would be things like communication Other things like lack of empathy, but these things are lower in men anyway, and those things on their own don't actually create the conditionals for any type of borderline personality disorder.
so hard to say exactly but even by the metric it seems that while it is true that men would slightly outnumber them this seems like it's a trait problem we're associating it with traits that are more masculine yeah violence yeah but so what can you just what percentage of men do you think are serial killers it's very low i know i shouldn't have brought up the percentage thing i was just saying that they outnumber the woman well So I wouldn't feel safe in the woods with them. Okay, okay. Um...
All right, what about you? I just think men are unpredictable. Unpredictable, okay. Yeah, bear is predictable. Bear predictable, okay. And then I don't think you picked bear. This is a point Andrew's brought up before. I think you said predictable, you said predictable, unpredictable.
just curious so if you walked up to a man and patted him on the head versus walking up to bear and patted the bear on the head maybe a little rough you know a little hard Which one do you think is going to react more violently towards you? Is this the same thing, a random man? Yeah, random man, random man, or random bear. If you just walked over to any random guy, like right now in Santa Barbara, you were just walking down the street and you walked over to some random guy.
He just patted him on the head versus if you're walking down the street in Santa Barbara and he walked over to a black bear and patted it on the head. What do you think the outcome difference would be? It's the bear. The bear is predictable. Wait, no, she picks the bear.
Now, I know you picked the bear, but if you patted the bear on the head versus patting the random guy on the head, what do you think the result would be, the result difference would be? Do you think that the bear would, oh, I don't know, if you went over and tried to pat it on the head, perhaps eat your face? Whereas the man would not likely. Right. Yeah.
I mean... Makes sense. But if I'm in the middle of the forest or woods and a bear and a man spawn, I'm not going to pat either of them on the head. Yeah, but which one would pose a bigger threat? if you were to do this? Obviously a bear, but that wasn't the original question. Sure, but I mean, it helps further kind of articulate the risk factor here. And then what do you pick?
I guess, or your thoughts on that? I guess it kind of supports your theory. The questions are supporting your theory on how I think a man could do a lot of things. kill you he could say it could be a different a lot of different things but a bear yes could kill you yes it would be the bear can i say something one quick question then i'll let you come right in just uh one other follow-up question here um
I'm assuming a lot of you guys, either directly or implied, there's a risk when it comes to men. You're fearful of SA with this man alone in the forest. So my question is, what percentage of men... do you think would be inclined to victimize you in this way? I don't think they feel inclined. This is going to sound terrible. I just feel like some men don't know that they're even doing it.
Like they genuinely are just so ignorant to what they're doing. They're in their world. They're living in it. Well, this would not be like a date. grape scenario yeah i know where they're so this is like he would have to like essentially violently assault you in this so we're talking about violently assault
Because say if I'm at a bar and a guy comes by, he touches my ass, and he just keeps grabbing, he might think that if I don't turn around and say something, that he's just allowed to keep touching me. Do you know what I'm trying to say? I feel like sometimes they think... that they're entitled they don't even realize what they're doing they're sexually assaulting someone but they don't even realize like so i'm not saying like i don't know sometimes i think also men think that
It doesn't matter how many no's they get as long as they get a yes or as long as you stop saying no. And that's not the same as a yes. Or as long as you don't say anything. Yeah, as long as you don't say anything. Not all men, but some men. Some men. Like, I'm not saying that all men, but, like, I think a lot of men just genuinely don't know what they're doing and that, that...
And the harm that they're doing because they're just feeding their own ego in a way. Okay. So, I mean, even, I suppose, granting your expanded definitions of... you know, or granting the definition, how your definition, excuse me, mumbling over my words here. granting how you view these certain crimes or whatever, going ahead and granting that what percentage of men are going to do that in a given situation then, I suppose.
I'll say 40%. 40%? Okay. For me, it doesn't matter percentage. If there's even a 1% possibility, I would rather die by a bear than be raped. Even if it was 1% possibility. Like essay. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Essay. Even if it was 1%. Yeah, but you don't think it's 1%, do you? I don't know what the percentage. What do you think it is?
Of men that would do that, that would be capable? So it's a random man out of the population. Random man. So what percentage of men... in the population do you think would be would do this or would be inclined to doing that in the scenario presented in that exact scenario I don't know, maybe 20, maybe like 15. Okay, we'll say 20. We'll say 20.
What do you think? I don't know the percentage, but I remember when I was in college reading something that's saying that like one in every four college student females will be essayed or something like that. So I'm going to say it. Maybe 2%, I don't know. Okay, before we get into... Well, okay, go ahead. It's how... So 25% for you.
You said one in four, so you're going off that, so 25%. I mean, not everyone's in college. I don't know. I'm just going to say 2% because I have no idea. Wait, 2%? Yeah. 2% is a lot different than one in four. It is, but in college, you're going out, you're partying. I'm trying to consider that. So I'm just going to say 2%. All right, 2%. All right. I'm sorry, just to clarify. So it's what percentage I feel any given man is inclined to aggressively act out just 2%. Okay.
Like 10 or 15. 10 or 15? More than 1%, definitely. Yeah, good. Well, okay, more than 1% could be 99%. Okay, 2%. Okay. And then, well, you didn't pick pair. Men make me feel safe. Like, not all men, but like... Whatever my other person is, as long as they make me feel safe. Wait, so I'm actually kind of surprised because, Andrew, we've asked this frequently. This is one of the first times we've... had such low numbers given uh there's there those were pretty high numbers well the one
Andrew, a couple of girls said 1%, 2%. That's low, comparatively speaking. But we did get a 40% from you. 20% from you? I said like 15 or 20. 15 or 20. Okay. So you said 40%. But with the question, I was the first answer. Did you mean like literally initiate or just like to think about doing stuff like that? Because I answered on basically like do men have those thoughts and want and are entitled to do it. I mean I would still think 40% of men want. Like they're fantasizing about essaying women.
I still think that's pretty high, but... Or being with women that can't have. So yeah, that's what the conversation... Wait, y'all, hold on. Wait, that's a little different. Fantasizing about a woman that they can't have. Don't y'all fantasize about men who y'all can't ever have? Fucking NFL players, athletes, famous musicians. No, you don't have a celebrity crush. No, I do not.
That's fucking bullshit, y'all. It's a part of my disorder. I literally do not. In any case, I don't think it's like... Are you saying it's like a mental essay for a guy to have a sexual fantasy with a famous woman or something? No, I thought you were saying... they have those thoughts. That's it. That was all it. What do you think one of the most common if not the most common sexual fantasy of women is? I don't know. I know.
I have no idea. That's actually a really good argument. That's a fantastic argument. Maybe you're referring to incels. We're talking about guys that can't get sex and they laugh out because of violence. I would just lean on just the entitlement to women. I just like 40%. What do you think the most common... sexual fantasy of a woman is. I don't know. A British accent. Yeah, definitely. Dominance. Bingo. I mean, yeah. I mean, it's... No, it's much more than that. They have grape fantasies.
Not all. I don't. Like, I don't. Hang on. I'm just going to go off the facts here. All right. We'll make sure that we all get it right. Number 10, strangers in the night. Nine, group sex. Seven, laying you out on display for other people to see, meaning you're having sex in front of other people. Six, textually ravaged. Five, Or, I'm sorry, four to leave it as a tip. And then two, strap on, I'm going in. That's pretty brutal, right? What the fuck is it? And then number one.
is essay fantasies, number one. That doesn't mean... There was not a single thing I think you said that I fantasized about. I'm not gonna lie. Same. Well, okay, while that could be true, I just want you to understand that there's all sorts of things, which I'm sure would be attributed to the majority of men.
That perhaps could not be attributed to me. Here's a really good one. I have blue eyes. That's really, really, really rare in men, right? But that has nothing to do with how common brown eyes are, right? So even though I don't fit the mold... It doesn't really mean anything. I'm not saying anybody here has fantasies of being S8. I'm just saying that it's the number one fantasy. Well, it's what it is, I guess. You got something on this? Yeah, this is a...
This was a lot. For one, he just said that was a list of women's fantasies. Top ten reported by women, yeah. Now remember previously how I told you that women say something and do something else? Now if you ask the common women They just said that's their biggest fear. But you just did a poll that that's their biggest fantasy. So you see how women can say one thing and think and do something totally different? So I just want to say that. Two.
It's very alarming that women would rather take a chance with a wild animal who is extremely unpredictable. Over a man who can possibly not do none of those things. There is a potential with a man. There is no potential with a bear. None. He's going to kill you or kill you later. So for women to pick the bear. over a man who can potentially build a fort with you, make a campfire, and just totally assume he's going to hurt you.
It's just very disturbing that women have these, or at least they say they have these fantasies that men will just do this. they just assume such negativity about man it's just kind of disturbing to hear that it's like i would never take a chance with a wild ravaging bear than a human being when i have a chance to i can't even talk to the bear you can at least bargain with the man maybe
You just discarded the common interest of talking over a savage beast. It's just crazy how women think today. No offense. I think it's disturbing that we've been in positions where we feel that way rather than... Go ahead, go ahead. No, I do. That sounds good, but according to the list, the number one fantasy of women
is the thing that you all are saying that you hate. That doesn't mean we want it to happen to us in real life. I don't believe you do. I'm just saying. It just shows the duplicitous, contradictory nature of women that I spoke of earlier. I also have to argue with you though. I'm not saying y'all feel this way. I'm just saying. It's just proof of the contradictory nature.
of following what women say as according to what they do because if i feel like most women should feel how y'all feel but according to his poll the number one thing was The most appalling thing that they're saying out of their mouths. And it's just contradictory. Like when that movie Shades of Grey came out. Women love that shit. A fantasy isn't a safe situation. It actually happening in an abusive way is not something you're... How is assault a fantasy?
And also, let me add to this, a lot of SA victims will fantasize their trauma. Even though it was a bad experience for them, they then fetishize their own trauma. As a man, I would never fetishize somebody beating them. And you're a man. We are women. I don't.
What y'all say and what y'all do is two different things. It don't make sense. I don't see how you can fantasize about something that you deem is so negative. I don't understand, but it's just genuinely science. And there's men that's been S.A. that do fantasize over. No, they end up being that. They turn all the way over. I would also like to ask, I guess, what is the percentage of this statistic that we got in from the poll? How many women?
country were they from? What age demographics were they? There's just so much, so many other questions. How many women? I'll tell you the answers to that. So these are centered around mostly the Western world. These polls were done between Australia, Western Europe, and the United States, Canada, things like this. And the way that they gathered the data was from dating sites, for the most part. They gathered them from dating sites.
uh women tend to be more honest in the background of those instead of men and that's how they can gather up different preferences and also what women commonly search for when they're looking for um You know, corn, for instance, what they're searching for there. You can gather the data that way as well. And this is what we come up with. Now, men got all kinds of freaky shit, too. Don't get me wrong. They got all kinds.
The thing that they top, one of their top searches, pretty gross, right? So I understand the both sides thing, right? I'm not even necessarily saying it. I've always thought that the thing about this that was so bothersome to me... in a different way is that women most commonly say well if a man spawn in the forest when they say i would choose him over the bear he's going to protect me then i've always thought
Well, that's pretty assumed entitlement, right? It's pretty assumed entitlement that you instantly assume any man in the forest has some obligation to protect you. Like, I would just be like, well, I'm spotting in with you, but I don't know you. Good luck. Hope you don't die. I'm getting out of there. this for us now see you later but it's always that that has always been the detail the answer that has bothered me i understand why so here i'll give you an example
Let me give this question back the other way to Brian Atlas and to the gentleman who's there. Would you rather be spawned into the forest with a random bear or with a gay prisoner? Random gay prisoner. So there's no, it could possibly be that he has no intention, of course, of essaying you because it's random. Right. But, you know, also there's.
There's the chance that he could. Would you prefer to be spawned in with the bear or with the gay prisoner? Random gay prisoner, by the way. Gay prisoner. Gay prisoner? Gay prisoner. I take the gay prisoner. Was he gay before he went to prison? I'm going to take the human every time because we can... I don't have to do nothing with you, but you're a human. You have arms and legs. You can help me pick some shit up. Like, I can't do nothing with no bed. 100%.
Yeah, I think that that seems reasonable to me. It's within the confines of reason. It's like, okay, but now they're in the same position you're in. So now they could easily also be overpowered by this person. They even have more information. They know that this person likely has more volatility than the average person.
And they are in the same kind of vulnerable position. But according to reason, they go, well, but the chances are still way better even with a gay prisoner than they would be with a bear. So this is how you put you're taking your position, putting it on.
them, but the answer is far different. And so you kind of wonder why that is. In fact, I would even go so far as to say this. Somebody said with the essay, the dignity aspect, that's terrible for women when they get essayed. Absolutely. But think about it from a man's perspective. Berman's dignity, whew, that's brutal as well. And so yet they're still willing to take the chance the other direction. And so it makes you wonder why.
And really quick, Andrew, I think even granting if this gay prisoner is like 30% faster and stronger than you, you still take it. You still take it, yeah. I think that you can continue with the conditionals. To the point where it almost would seem more reasonable to take the bear. And most men would still take the ID of the gay prisoner because they're just looking at the chances of if a random gay prisoner spawned in with you.
um that this person can at least be reasoned with and a bear is going to eat your face right Yeah, and I just felt, like I said, it's just real disturbing this assumed negativity when it comes to men. Like, even when he brought up the poll of the women, your first response was,
Well, where they from? It's like when it comes to these lists with women, all this nuance is required. But when it comes to men, it's just assumed that they're going to do that. But you don't ask, well, what's his upbringing? What's his mentality like? Where is he from? Those questions are not asked when it comes to men. When it comes to women, it's like.
all we need all is nuance. And it's just like, I feel like modern women live in this world between fear and fantasy. I want to bring up something about the whole when you're done. Even when it comes to stuff that women watch, women like to watch a lot of, you know,
romantic films of these fantastical situations that never happen. And then on the contrary, they like to watch horror and all these crimes of when men are just doing these diabolical things to women. It's like if you're constantly feeding your mind fear and...
fantasy you're not dealing with reality which is in either one of these worlds and I just feel like you could just tell when you ask women certain questions that they just really think the worst of men it's just embedded in y'all I don't know what's going on today
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the ladies that are answering these polls when it comes to the essay, they're thinking about, okay, I'm... fantasizing about someone who is dominant who is handsome who i uh you know maybe it's I don't know, someone wealthy that's just dominating me versus a random man. that's coming in and attacking you. I respect that, but you're still just making an excuse because it's a woman instead of just dealing with what it is.
I'm not making an excuse. No, you are. I'm making an assumption. You added mad stuff to it. You added that she's rich. Kind of like you've done earlier. What did I add? Give me an example. Like when we were watching the video and you were talking about it. Give me an example. Because you said that I'm assuming that a woman who fantasizes about being assaulted is talking about a man who's handsome. You don't want to be assaulted by somebody you're attracted to.
So that doesn't make sense to me. Anybody that you appeal to, you don't want them to assault you. That doesn't make sense to me. There was one question that didn't get answered. How many women answered in total in the world? answered that poll with that answer. I don't know what the total of them are. I don't think it matters. Hang on. Hang on. I'm trying to answer. Okay, sorry.
So I'm not sure that that would matter. All you would need is to have a statistical enough sample size that it was statistically significant. And the studies that I'm reading say that their sample sizes are statistically significant. Another thing, who is funding those studies? Well, most of these are funded by women's clinics.
though many of them I would have to look into the background. But most of the time, studies are funded by progressive institutions, not conservative ones. So I don't see how there would be a publishing bias against women exactly. Because sometimes there occasionally is, depending on who puts on the study. Oh, related to that, I have a quick question. She cited this, like, commonly perpetuated statistic in colleges, one in four.
Are you prepared to make the same sort of criticism over the methods? No, because I've looked into that number. Oh, you've looked into that number. I actually have. I'm familiar. Is it valid? I think that it is very valid. So one in four women have been full-blown essayed? Yeah, I would say more than that of women in my life. What do you think about the official FBI and DOJ statistics?
they're collecting actual crime data instead of pulling random like they're actually now analyzing the here's the here's here's the data point that backs up brian the data point is that when polled college students who are male give significantly higher numbers of being SA'd than women do?
All I was trying to mention with the poll is that you said that it was gathered from dating apps. Many women are not on dating apps. Sometimes. I've never been on a dating app. Many, many different people have done these. One such study that you can look at, National Institute of Health. These are government studies.
though they don't tell you some of the information that you're asking, and I would have to look into the undercurrent. And I think that that's fair, right, to ask who's conducting the studies and why. They do seem to be statistically significant. So hang on. A team of researchers based University of North Texas and Notre Dame studied 355 women. That's statistically significant. A part of the research involved participants being able to read.
r-word fantasy scenario over headphones to investigate how aroused they became in the study published the academic journal of sexual behavior participants were and yeah The number of how many did was kind of staggering, right? So... That's just one study, one aspect of this study, but there's other ways that this research is conducted. I can't give you all the details because you don't know them, but it does seem like it's a fairly firm fact that this is pretty common.
study it included things like for example catcalling included catcalling it also included were one of the parties did they have more than one alcoholic beverage So they counted consensual sex, but if even both of the parties had had more than one or two drinks, they counted that as SA. Do you think that that's SA? If someone is intoxicated? Wait, absolutely? Who said absolutely? I mean, if both parties are under the influence, is that what you're saying? Sure, yeah.
Yeah. If both parties has had two beers, you said that's SA? Yeah, I mean, because... Two beers. Well, they still know what they're doing, don't they? I would say it depends on how the beers... Hold on. I guess I'm confused with the question. So, a man has two beers. A woman has two beers. They have sex.
Is that SA? Oh, no. I thought you meant just if they were intoxicated that it doesn't count or something. That's what we misunderstood. We misunderstood. It's too woke. People are super sensitive. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. The results of the study, which also explored other sexual and aggressive fantasies, self-esteem, blah, blah, blah. 52% of the women had fantasies about forced sex with a man.
32% had fantasies about being full-on R-worded by the man. 28% had fantasies about forced oral sex by a man. And 16% forced anal sex. Hold on, hold on. But y'all see how when the data comes, it's always a pushback when it comes to the woman's perspective. Because I've met many women and they've told me. They've taken my hand and put it on their neck.
It sounds good, but in reality... There's a difference from being... But they feel comfortable with you. Listen, listen. Violence is violence. I don't even like to play fight. I only like to fight for real. You don't. So to me, if someone wants to pretend to...
be rough in a violent manner. How is choking ever fit? It's nothing soft and intimate. But she trusts that person. I get it, but it still speaks to the pathology of the woman. My grandmother didn't do that, nor did my mother. They do that.
today. That you know of. Of course. Of course. But it's always convenient when it comes to the women. But when it comes to men, it's definitely definite. That's just bias. Like I was saying, most women, if... to slightly even want your man to pretend to do something that in real life would be negative speaks to the pathology of the woman why do you want me to pretend to choke you when did that become sexual when did that become intimate when did that become
loving when did that become becoming of a feminine woman to be choked by her man it doesn't make sense y'all can make all the excuses you want but it don't make no damn sense It's a fantasy. Part of it actually is science. Part of it actually is science. When you allow a certain amount of oxygen to be deprived from the brain, you orgasm harder. I want to move away. Hold on, guys, guys, guys.
let's move away from andrew brought up that one example i want to move away from the study about women's fantasies let's get back to kind of like the meat of the conversation here uh so you brought up this one in four number okay so This includes, I mean, I'm just curious here, if the man had two drinks, the girl had two drinks, is that SA? Is that what it is according to the study?
I believe there was some component, even consensual sex, between two people who had consumed some degree of alcohol, they deemed it as SA. If it's consensual, I don't count it as SA. It also depends on body weight. So two drinks for a 5'2 nothing versus a 6'7 is big. I'm sorry, you're not going to be blackout off of two drinks, even if you're 5' tall. All I'm saying is like...
Alcohol conversion in height and weight for two people who weigh very different things might be different. I mean, I'd argue men drink more heavily than women. So I gave you an example where it's like the equivalent. But let's say that the man's more drunk than the woman. Is that a say? Yeah. If he's more drunk... He's not blacked out. But I mean, how would...
I don't even understand how you engage it. Men can be raped by women. If two people go out and get drunk, no two people are going to have the same level of impairment. Right? No two people are going to have the same level of impairment. So one's always going to be slightly or even more less impaired than the other person, even if they're both drunk. I don't even know how you would quantify that.
like how would you quantify that oh well you had six drinks and she had three so now you're equally impaired so now you can have sex like that that just seems absurd on its face right Okay. Men get also more aggressive when they've had more to drink. So if they're sloppy drunk, they could. Women get more aggressive when they drink too. Women definitely get aggressive.
Okay, so if we don't agree with that study, then let's find another one that says what the percentage is. There's the DOJ statistics. Damien, can you try to find the DOJ statistics? But, okay, how about this? A woman has, there's no alcohol involved. A woman has consensual sex. She regrets it the next day. Is this essay? No. Okay, but, I mean. It happens.
But it happens. I want to say a lot of things happen doesn't make it right. But that happens more than often. It does, but that's a whole thing. And actually, this affects African-American men at higher rates, at very high rates, because there's like this racial component. The Roe v. Wade was based on a lie. Who was Emmett Till? Emmett Till. Don't get me started.
We can go on and on. That's why I said we speak from a privileged position. We speak from a privileged position. Everybody has a different reality. So you can get away with something that another person wouldn't. It's going to affect them. They might have the legal fees. They might have the means to combat. These assumed negative emotions And actions of men As opposed to another man Like right now for example I don't know his income But I'm assuming he makes more than me
He might can get out of a situation like that quicker than I can based on the words of a woman. So when we just speak these general like, oh, no, it's just like this. No, it's not just like that. It's very nuanced. But it seems like we only show nuance for the woman's side and not for the man's side. have to be real about this thing is people take these these
topics from these podcasts, and they run with it in real life, and people's lives really get jeopardized, especially men, like the Roe v. Wade thing. That was based on a white woman blaming gay, and I don't want to make it racial, but y'all brought it up. Wait, Roe v. Wade? The rape, the Roe v. abortion thing. That was the original, if I'm not mistaken, the original crime was a white woman blaming a black man saying he S-A'd her. And from that, she got impregnated. And because of that.
It's more of anything about privacy. It was a lie. The crime that caused that law to come and be implemented was a woman who lied on a black man who was never saved by him. And they took that story and made abortions legal because of that lie. That's a fact. I think it was a documentary that they made on it. What's that show? Candace Owens is on the network.
It got Bill Walsh, Matt Walsh is on it too. They did a whole documentary about it. They did a whole documentary about Roe v. Wade. It was based on a lie. I don't know the details. The network is The Daily Wire. The Daily Wire, yep. They did a documentary on it, and they was talking about how that, I believe that situation was based on a woman who accused a man of saying her, and he didn't even do it. And he happened to be a black man.
I want to know how his life went. I'll move things on here shortly. I guess really quick. Those of you, you said 20%, you said 15, 15 to 20. Does this also apply to, like, your family members, like cousins, et cetera? So, like, one in five of all your family members? I mean, I was taught by my dad to protect myself from men. Yeah, but, like, are you willing to throw, like, one out of five of your, like, blood?
under the water and say, like, one in five of your male family members are, like, inclined to essay a woman? Yes. Yeah. In fact, I know for a fact that some of them have. Okay. Well. It is, look, it does happen in families. I mean, are you asking? It happens more in families than just random people on the street. typically it's somebody that you know or somebody that is somebody's friend it's somebody's son it's somebody's dad like yeah but so
I guess final thing here on the bear thing. So I kind of, is the position that. No, wait, so wait, it mostly doesn't happen by strangers. It mostly happens in your home. So if it mostly doesn't happen by strangers, wouldn't that be a strike against your logic of thinking that responding randomly with a stranger in the woods? Wouldn't that significantly lessen the idea that you would be a safe? Like how many women on average just spawn into the woods? Like it's a hypothetical situation.
Yeah, I know, but hypothetical situations are designed to test your logic. That's why we make them up, right? We make them up to see if we can determine what is true and what is not true, and if we're using logic and reason in order to make determinations. about things or if we're just using pure emotion or something like that. So I have no doubt that you feel that this is true.
right and there's many things i feel are true but the reason we use hypotheticals to test if the feeling makes any sense and so if the idea is once we get into the nitty-gritty wait a second almost you you all agree it's It's mostly somebody you know who would do something like this. Wouldn't that be a strike against the idea that spawning with a random stranger in the middle of the woods? You would actually be less likely than you would even with somebody you knew.
Not necessarily. I think they're saying that the chances are just higher in general no matter who you're around. The reason why it's usually higher with people who you know is because they can have you in a compromising position like watching you while your parents are gone. Like something where you're alone, where you're isolated.
That's why it's typically someone... Yeah, we're talking about adult women here. Adult women, this type of thing. Even adult women are still... It can still be when you're isolated and when you're alone. And if you're in the woods, you're isolated and alone. Adult women are still more likely to be essayed by people they know, right?
But most of the time, the people that they know are people like male friends of theirs, things like this. Those are the people who are... And yes, it is true they're in a compromising position. But it seems like it's this intimate knowledge you have with this person.
that makes them feel like this is in some way appropriate or that they can get away with it or this kind of thing. Do you think if you respond with a random stranger in the middle of a forest that you guys would have way bigger things to worry about than whether or not he wants to just like... attack you, you know, and, you know, it just seems kind of silly, right? Maybe it's also a perspective.
from people on the streets, strangers on the streets that come approach us and stuff too. It makes no logical sense to choose a bear over a fucking stranger. In the fucking woods. It makes no logical sense to choose a bear. Statistically, biologically, like absolutely none. We are running ourselves in circles. and it's like we are emotionally like
politicizing the emotion and the feeling of, of course, we're not saying, like, yeah, SA fucking happens and it sucks and the statistics, it is real. That is real. That does not devalidate that point at all. Logistically. statistically for the fact of the argument a bear or a man, the odds of survival, immediate survival, you would choose a random man. I would not. That makes no logical sense to me. I grew up in rural Arizona and I've...
Been around bears. I've seen bears. I used to go camping all the time. I feel very comfortable. I think it just depends on your experience. We'll explore all this really quick. Pull up the meme. Get the meme going. Okay, so brown bear up to 9 feet tall, up to 1,300 pounds. Claws, 4 inches. Biforce, 1,200 PSI. Pelt for 5 inches. Speed, 35 miles per hour. Kyle, 5'10". Eww. 174 pounds. Project engineer said high.
to you at the gym so like look again yes there's some percentage of men that would victimize you terribly but like You have to attribute such a large percentage if you're doing a risk assessment of like, yeah, I'm going to pick. a bear over a man like your risk assessment is flawed the question wasn't about logic logically it's a logical question wait let me finish let me finish the pain that someone might
feel after being essayed is gonna stay with them for the rest of their life. But is it a guarantee that you get essayed? Maybe they don't want to deal with that. It's not a guarantee that you get essayed. It's not a guarantee, but... What did you say? 2%. You said it's a 2% chance. The bear... From my experience, the bear is probably going to do one of two things. It's going to probably eat me.
Or it's going to leave me alone. It's just going to go away. Not eat you later, just walk away. I like you. I don't know what y'all talking about. I don't know what y'all talking about. How many bears have you encountered? Listen, I don't want to encounter them. I'd rather deal with a person than a damn. And a man ain't guaranteed to just take your womanhood. You're right. So that's why this question, there is both sides to it. It sounds good.
It sounds real good. We live in a world where your feelings matter more than logic, but she said it herself. It's not even about logic. So if it ain't about logic, it don't make sense because there's nothing in your life that logic can be missing and you can succeed from it. So let's cut it out and be grown up in here. i think people are just doing it based off experience very quickly that arizona only has one species of bear black bears and there's only about 2 000 of them in the entire state
So the likelihood they came across too many probably isn't high unless you were going to like a bear reserve or something. Which I have been before. And also I have been immersed in wildlife from the time that I could. Like walk. So I feel very comfortable with animals. That's my personal opinion. And that's based off of my experience growing up around animals. I had a mountain lion in my clubhouse as a kid because I grew up on five acres.
And I felt very safe just watching it from my fence with binoculars. I was about 10 feet away from it. My parents didn't see anything wrong with that. And they let me do that. And I feel comfortable with that. What I'm saying is I personally, this is my opinion. I feel like more comfortable with that than I would a random man who I don't know anything about. Okay. But he can at least. That's my opinion. Can I just say one more thing? Go ahead. At least the man, there is a potential.
this is this could i i use your view but the fact that you're ignoring the ultimate potential of a human interaction over a ravaging beast. It wasn't ignored. Hold on sweetheart. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I just said it wasn't ignored. It wasn't ignored. You got it. You got it. Hold on. Thank you.
The fact that you're ignoring the potential. It wasn't ignoring. Stop, stop, stop. You triggered. I get it. I got you. I know you mad. You got it. You got it. The fact that you're ignoring the potential. for a human interaction over a ravaging beast shows the lack of logic
And the assumed negativity of men by most women. You really think if you move that fence and you want that mountain lion chill for a week, he won't attack you? Like, you don't even, you can't even, the fact that you're not even assumed. that maybe I can talk to this man. You can't communicate to that bear.
at all i don't care how many times you fed it some crackers or something he will hurt you at a higher rate than a human being but the fact that you're just denying the fact that maybe i can talk to this person maybe i can communicate you just denying all of that you've talked
to way more human men than you've ever talked to lions and bears, oh my, in your life. And you're just going to ignore that. You're going to ignore the fact you had that cool guy you went to school with, your cool uncle, your cool brother, the cool guy at the store, the guy that helped you get the gas that time.
ignoring all of those scenarios of positive men for that small list of negative men as opposed to a fucking bear just shows to the lack of logic of the modern woman. You can make all the excuses you want, but that shit don't make no damn sense. Thank you for assuming that it was ignored, but it was not.
It was not ignored. And also... She sounds crazy. Excuse me? It sounds crazy. Okay. Well, that's your opinion. It is. Is it sexist? Are you guys willing to admit that your position is sexist against men? Sexist? Against men, yeah. I think that my... Can you not be sexist towards men? No, you can be sexist towards men. Okay, is it sexist? I wouldn't say it is because it's based off of experience. Okay, let me follow up with you on that.
Let's say we replace man with... Let's do a black person. Does this question become racist? Like, if you were to answer... I'd rather pick a bear over a black person. Is it a black girl? Because I picked a black girl. Absolutely. No, it's just a random black person. So it could be. It doesn't matter their race. If it is a man, I will choose the bear. So it's sexist. It is. You can say that. You can say that if you want. So let's say somebody picked the bear over black person. Is it racist? No.
It is. I'm black. But is it racist? That's not off of my experience. I don't feel that way, and I'm not part of the POC community. Okay, here. Let me explain it a little bit. So let's say somebody... I got a better way to... Let me just ask it, and then I'll pass it to you, Andrew. So... I think that would be prejudice more than racist. It's semantics. That's semantics. It's same shit. It's different. Let's say a white girl had a...
had three bad experiences with three different black men. And for this reason, she doesn't want to, she picked the bear over the black man. Is it racist? because of her past experiences with black men and she says i don't care even if it even if because you said earlier even if it's a one percent chance i still pick the bear over the man but it was still a man that she picked
Versus... Wait, hold on. I mean, it was still a bear that... Okay, she had one... She had two bad experiences with a black man and two bad experiences with a black woman. And collectively, she's deciding, I don't... I pick the bear over the black person because I've had prior bad experiences with black people. Is it racist? No, I think it would be racist if it was a white man versus a black man. If we're talking about race here, that would be a more parallel situation. Because it's a man?
No, but it's a black person. No, if you put two people in a forest, if we're saying instead, if we swapped out the bear, if we wanted to make this really even, it would be racist if it was a white man in the forest versus a black man in the forest. said she picked the white over that for that reason for that logic but still picking a bear over a man i no it's not a man it's a black person
You said black man. No, I think the question you're trying to ask is if we took your logic and applied that to other things, it would make no damn sense. So back to what I was saying real quick. I just think that it just wouldn't make no sense. what's being shown is ladies and gentlemen because i can't convince nobody here people out there in youtube stream yard land this is why men are leaving because women are on board with each other
Despite logic and science, it's all about women, women, women, women. It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't have to have any logic. It's women overall. And women who feel like that are not making it better for other women coming up.
Because men want to be with women, despite what it looks like, despite all the statistics. We do love you. We do want to be with you. But if you have this mentality, it's going to make men remove themselves from you in all areas. And I hate to bust your bubble, ladies. You need us.
Excuse me? You do. You do need us. You do need us. There is a male loneliness epidemic that's going on, but that is not. Same with females. Yeah, women. Women over. Men are violent when they're in cells. Women over, like. You can pull up the exact statistic because it is somewhere. I have it in front of me, but the female loneliness epidemic is almost on par with the male. They report being lonely at almost the exact same rates.
people alone yes but what i'm saying is women who are over a certain age who are childless who are not in a relationship report to have the It's on the internet. I'm sure I don't have my phone, so I can't look up the exact thing, but I'm sure someone else can. They report having heavier amounts of mental health issues. They report having heavier amounts of dissatisfaction. They report having heavier amounts. I think we're reading very different surveys.
I don't think so. What you're talking about is an article. What I'm talking about is the actual data, which is backing this up, not an article. I'm talking about a survey. But this isn't just for women, right? This is men as well. When they get in their 30s or 40s and they're childless or don't have a family, they also report.
much higher dissatisfaction rates, higher frames of mental illness, they make less money, they have less incentives, they have less motivations. Basically people need each other, right? That's the general motivation. If you were to look at this, though, I'd have to ask you this. I was listening to what you were saying, and I thought it made sense. But you said the thing that validates it is experience. And because it's experience, it's not really sexist.
The thing that gets me with that is like, what if an employer was a man and he didn't want to ever hire women because he'd had really bad experiences with them? That couldn't be sexist, right? By that same logic, could it? Hang on, let her answer, let her answer. What were the experiences? Were all of the women in his life raping him? Let's say that several of them made false allegations and several of them underperformed and several of them did that they had, but he had nothing.
but negative experiences with them and since he since that is what informed him in his hiring practices and that was his experience isn't he then justified in not hiring them and wouldn't it not be sexist then because it's based on experience So I'm going to have two parts and I would like if everyone could allow me to finish all the way before interrupting. Thank you. What I would say about that is it is sexist because we're talking about pay.
And underperforming is not the same as being essayed. We're not talking about paying. Yeah. We're just talking about hiring. Yeah, hiring. If you're hiring someone, you're hiring them to pay them for a job. That you're hiring them for. That has nothing to do with your relationship. You don't have to date them. You don't have to spend time with them. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to do anything with the man in the forest.
But aren't you saying that they would be skeptical going into hiring women? Why wouldn't we be skeptical going into that? I'm just telling you it's the same logic. It's the same logic applied. So what I'm saying, though, is from personal experience, what I... It was explaining from personal experience as someone who has been essayed.
I would rather take my own life than have that happen again. And what I'm saying is there is nothing worse for me and my opinion. This is my opinion. There is nothing. that someone can do worse to you than that. I'm not disputing any of that. So what I'm saying is underperforming and having the worst thing done to you cannot even be equated in this situation. Okay, wait. Well, let's back up, though, because...
I understand exactly what you're saying, and it makes total sense to me. This is the most horrific thing you could ever think of, and so you're going to select against that thing because this thing happening to you again, you'd rather anything else, including getting eaten by a bear, happen than the thing.
I completely understand that. The question is not whether or not SA is really, really bad and you had a traumatic experience with it, though. The question is, is that it's sexist regardless of how it's informed? You said, no, it's not sexist because that... is my experience and it's like okay then if it's not sexist because it's your experience then a man who was falsely accused of essay uh in his hiring in his hiring practices let's say
would be completely justified never hiring a woman again by the same logic because he says this is the worst thing. Hang on, I'm almost done. I just let you finish. He can use the same logic. He can say, I'd rather, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.
Nothing. I can never imagine anything worse than this. I'd rather anything happen than this again. So he refuses to hire a woman that's totally justified based on his experience. The same logic back to you. Yes. Yes. If that is the situation.
Initially you said underperforming and you listed a couple of other things. So then it's not sexist. Yes. So then he's not being sexist. If we're talking about that, then yeah, that wouldn't be sexist. Yeah, right. So then any man who's ever had a false allegation against him.
Right. And then refuses to hire women after that because of that false allegation. You think that's totally valid. I think that's valid. Yes. Why put yourself in that situation? And it's not sexist, right? Yeah. Don't put yourself in that situation. That's fine. If I gave you a list of men who that's happened to. Right? Like, well, I can name it, but...
The thing is, the point is, is that if I gave you a list of like Fortune 500 company executive CEOs who said that they want to advocate a policy that no more women get hired by their company because such a thing did happen to them. You would never say that that was sexist, right? Well, that's different if they're CEOs and they're completely detached from ever interacting with any of those women. I said it wouldn't be sexist for them to not want to work.
with those women no that's not what you said but work have those i'm thinking i'm thinking of like a restaurant owner i'm thinking of you know someone who has to have someone they're hiring women and those women are directly working with them That's what I envisioned when you said women work for them and hiring women because they're interacting with them and they don't want that. I would assume that based on what you told me your experience is...
being anywhere near a situation which could potentially lead to that, which is what we're talking about, spawning into a forest with a random man or random bear, right? Just the fact you said if it's even 1% that you would not choose that. The CEO of the company is saying the same thing. If it's even 1%, even though I'm detached from these people.
I'm definitely not going to hire them. It's the same exact logic. Same. No, because if you're the CEO, there is not even a 1% chance that you're going to interact with those people. You're not going down and hanging out with them. No, no, you said if it's even, meaning if it was less than that, you still wouldn't.
take. You said if it's anything, if it's any percentile, if there's any chance. So here, I'll prove it to you. I'll prove it to you. Do you think statistically that a woman can accuse you of essay easier if you hire them? Or if you don't hire them. If Jeff Bezos hired me and then I accused him of that after never meeting him, I think it would be just as invalid.
If I was not hired by him, actually, I think it would be more invalid because then it's like, yeah, but the whole point here is the disassociation. The idea here is this. It's not whether or not the chances would be unlikely for both.
just which thing there'd be a higher chance for. In this case, of course, the chance would be higher that if a woman doesn't in any way or any capacity have anything to do with your company or you, her chance of accusing you of SA significantly go down versus her being closer to you. case same logic as if there was any percentage at all that this could ever happen to me i'm choosing the bear
And that's totally appropriate and not sexist. And the reason it's not sexist is because it comes from a place of experience. That would be the same thing for a CEO. Can I chime in? So to be sexist, to be racist. I would like her to just finish real quick. We're almost done. Almost done with the exchange. I would just like to finish it real quick.
Can you speak to that real quick? Because it's the same logic. That's why I don't understand. I think that it's not the same logic only for the reason that you are physically... in the company of one and the ceo is not physically in the company or physically in danger of being in a compromising position with one of their 12
thousand, you know, 60,000 employees, whatever crazy number they have. Yeah, but you said if there's any percentage, if there's any percentage that this could lead to this, you would never do it. They would never interact with them. I'm confused. if the chances were and he gave you a low say he said if there's any chance if it's even one percent if it's less than that there's any chance at all that this could happen to you
then no, you're not doing it and you're picking the bear because this is the worst thing that could ever happen to you. If the CEO was falsely accused, okay, if he was falsely accused, even once, and then says, I'll never hire a woman again just because...
There could be a chance. And this is the worst thing that's ever happened. It's the same thing you just said. Okay, well, if we're going by that logic, then sure. He doesn't have to hire any woman on... for the company with the bear situation i said that even if it was one percent chance i would choose dying and not getting essayed over that one percent chance my
My punishment or my penalty for taking that is death. His penalty for not hiring any woman is probably getting boycotted. So yeah, you can do anything you want. Technically, we're all born with free will. Hold on. I do have to let a couple things come through here. Burmese Mountain Tiger gifted 50 subs. By the way, Burmese, I think I have... Oh, did I...
I think you have a custom thing here. Let me just check one sec here. Brian, I got a flight I got to catch in the morning. Oh, I thought you could stay until... It's midnight my time. Oh, your time. Hold on. Oh, shoot. Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. Sorry about that. I've got to fly out tomorrow. Do you want to wrap up? Did you want to wrap up on anything or do you just have a hard out?
Yeah, I do have a hard hour. I've got to get up for literally four hours and do this. Guys, it was very nice to meet you. I really enjoyed the spirited discussion. Andrew, thank you so much, man. Bye. Yeah, it was very nice to meet all of you, and you too, sir. I hope you enjoy it. Yeah, I hope you guys enjoy the rest of your evening. Take care. Yeah, shoot us a rate, Andrew. Thank you for tuning in, man. Good luck with the Timcast thing or whatever. All right, man.
Okay, hold on. I got to let a couple things come through, then we'll come back to the conversation. Burmese Mountain Tiger gifted 100 subs on... on twitch dude thank you so much man you're a fucking legend uh kendall sanders became a member and then uh let's see here we had this one that already came through we have a couple chats that came through uh i have to read something from
Andrew, if you're still listening. Oh, he left. Okay, well, Millionaire Bachelor. I'm not going to read your full message, but Andrew, your hit piece was weak as fuck. that's all i'll read for that uh millionaire so okay um and then we have three from lucas this came this these came in a while ago so it's about i think or wait hold on let's see lucas
I was on the subway, NYC subway, heading to work the other day. Young woman was attacked. Not a single man even looked up to see what was going on, let alone help. A man is in his late 20s standing next to me. And then he says, by the way, Lucas, thank you so much for the messages. Appreciate it. Turned to me and said, looks like that bear's got to save her. Congratulations, ladies.
You reap what you sow with the exception of my daughter, wife, and mother. You can literally be on fire in front. Hold on. And then there's another one. Looks like the bear's got to save her. Amen. Chivalry is dead and the bear killed it, right? Okay. Burning too crisp and I wouldn't even piss on you. He's so upset. Wait, where is it? Wouldn't even piss on you to save your life. Your widespread, implicit vilification.
of men is abhorrent. You're a bunch of snot-nosed, delusionally entitled ingrates. You see, I was going to add and say that I changed my opinion with all the facts, but that was... Yeah. You're... But I do change my answer because you guys fact-checked it, and I'm not going to sit here and be like, well, I'm this. No, I'm listening to your facts. And I respect that. That's all we want.
Just don't fight logic. Because honestly, how I see it as it is, it's a people problem. It's not a women or men problem. It's a people problem. Women can do it. Men can do it. We're all doing it to each other. It's you. We shouldn't do it. Thank you. Because the point is.
This right here, we should be trying to come together to some degree. These conversations and this logic we have, it only brings separation because eventually men are just going to say, you got it and you might find yourself in a situation where you might need a random man's help but why would a random man help you when you say the things you say so hey men have created this luxury where it created a world where women have the luxury to even critique men in these ways but
Men even created that. I mean, they do it. And how that's not your preference and stuff. What's wrong with that? What's that got to do with picking a bear over a man? No, I'm just saying that you were saying stuff about that, so why can't we have our opinions about things that happened to us? No, you can have an opinion, but I'm talking about logic.
What I'm saying is you dress in a certain way online based on women's complaints. I hear women saying, where's the guys at? So I'm addressing a gripe that you have. If that's your gripe. Dress up. I don't hear men complaining about being picked over a bear. So that's not an issue we're having. Women are having issues with meeting good guys, meeting high-quality guys, or maybe not you.
But a lot of women have that issue. So it's like maybe you should dress a little different. Maybe you should be a little more reserved. Maybe you should be a little more modest to fit your complaint.
Men are not complaining about being picked over a bear. Like, this is the scenario that women are saying. So I'm just dealing with the logic. It's logic in picking, telling a woman to cover herself up. Whether I'm in her life or not, that's good advice. Whether she got a man in her life or not. But also, like... when women dress like that, they get more attention from men. So then that kind of confuses women. We both be pointing fingers at each other. We both.
do the part I saw it's both sides like we constantly point fingers you know people buy or guys buy porn but we also provide the porn you know OnlyFans and stuff like that um okay a couple things here to wrap up here on the uh whole man versus bear thing um let's see where do i hold on have any of you have had the one night stand no
Yeah, definitely. Yes. It's just confusing to me, this whole bear thing. It's like the same women who will go out, have a one-night stand, but you pick the bear. I don't know. That's confusing. What does that have to do with the bear? You're literally putting yourself alone in a room with a man. I want to say you put yourself in a room with a stranger, so that's the same scenario, I guess. It's like the same exact scenario, but okay, how about this? A couple questions here.
A couple different twists on the man versus bear thing. Let's see. Where is it? Hold on. It's a gay man. Does that change anything? If he's gay? Yes. If I know he's gay and he will not hurt me in that way, then absolutely I'll pick the gay man. What about a trans woman? What does that have to do with anything? Well, it's male. She's male. She's a she, but biologically a man. But male. If someone has that appendage... There's the penis. But it's a trans woman.
With a penis. What is their sexual orientation when it comes to wanting to have sex with women? So would they want to have sex with women? Yes. But he's still got that thing. Still got the thing. I feel like if they're random, you just went out. No, that would make them gay. Wait. Make him a man. This is where we're all going. She's straight, so she likes men. Even if they are gay, it should be the same.
same but i i get where you're trying to go with okay fine a lesbian trans woman as long as they're not sexually attracted to me in any way in any capacity then you don't know you don't know but it's it's a lesbian trans woman So they still have to be around. Still have a penis. Penis still there. But you're saying that they would identify at that point as straight? No. Identifies as a woman. So they would identify as gay, but...
They're lesbian. For me, it doesn't matter if they are attracted to women in any capacity. I would choose the bear. Wait, even a woman? Wait, so me? Like a woman shorter than me that I could overtake? Maybe that's... So you're going to like... Take advantage of her back? No! How dare you, bitch!
i'll show you i'll do it first the thing is wait do you think that's actually wait wait this is this is kind of dark but you think it's like actually happened like somebody trying to like say somebody but then like they underestimated their victim and then they're like i'm gonna show you and then they like got them back i'm sure i'm sure actually i feel like there was like a fighter
I think this happened. Yeah, I think so. Some like MMA fighter got attacked and she's like, yeah, you're about to get fucked up. Okay, wait, can I ask a question? because you just said anyone that likes women you would choose a bear so like if i spawned oh yeah here's here's the thing for me it's really the appendage that i have an issue with the appendage that because it's the it's the
It's really the penetration aspect that has me in picking the bear. Okay. Because it's really just penetration. So, yeah. Even if they like girls. I mean, even if they didn't like women, they like men, you still would feel like that. It's like, are you picking a human over a bear now? No, I'm like a girl. I would pick a girl over a bear.
I wouldn't pick a man over a bear because there's the appendage attached. Even if he identifies as a woman, you still would keep that same option is what you're saying. Like even if he's a man that identifies as a woman but he still has a penis, you would still pick. You wouldn't pick him at all. If he was sexually attracted to women, or if she was then sexually attracted to women. No, he wasn't. Then no, then it would be fine.
But even with the appendix, no, no, I'm saying, listen, listen, I'm gonna make it clear. A man that identifies as a woman, but he still has a penis, but he's not attracted to women. He's attracted to men, but he still has a penis. But that's fine, because then it would be the same situation as...
A gay man. They're not attracted to me. They wouldn't want to hurt me. But they still have the penis. But they don't have sexual gratification from me. I don't agree. I don't agree. So if we're going to say all men. It would unfortunately have to include trans because.
They could do anything. I mean, just because if you still have a penis, you have a penis. Yeah, but a gay man is going to attack you. It's about feminism. No, because a gay man is not going to attack you. Well, you don't know that, though.
You don't know that. If they're actually, if they're actually. But you don't know that though. But we do. But in this perfect circumstance, in this perfect world, not going off of what someone says. But then you prove them wrong. You prove them. Their theory. Hold on. I got. some more scenarios. It's not a perfect world. I got more scenarios. You're talking about a perfect hypothetical. More scenarios. More scenarios. Okay, here's the scenario. Ten men or ten bears?
Ten pairs. Ten pairs. Really? Oh, man. That's even crazy. I'm out. I'm good, man. Check me. For the same reason. Would I rather be buying this ring? No, but... Bro! Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. 10 beers. 10 beers versus 10 beers. I feel like in the scenario where it's one man, it's like, well, you're probably thinking, well, okay, you can get away with it. But in society, men are not like... cheering on like Grapists.
In fact, I can even prove this if you look at, for example, the prison system, right? If a man, like if a man on the outside gets convicted of like essaying a woman or even worse, like if it's like any, like children are involved, he's got to fuck.
and target on his back and even men who are criminals criminals and you would question their their moral compass their ethics these men will kill that person they'll kill that person in the jail So even among criminals, this idea of this, there's this grape culture or whatever, even among criminals, they're like, these people are targets for violence and to literally kill them. And let me ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. What is the ultimate potential positive scenario?
from 10 bears as opposed to the ultimate potential of a positive scenario from 10 men? Like what's the best a bear can do compared to the best a man can do? Of course. So when I first said my answer, I've pretty much in my mind, I...
with the first answer, one bear, one man, I've considered the possibility that yes, I could get away from a bear, but I've also accepted that I might die from that bear and that that's also a high possibility. And that's fine because I would rather die than be essayed. I would rather die quickly by many bears tearing me apart than be penetrated by 10 different men. That's not what I asked you. What I asked you is what's the ultimate potential of-
The positive scenario of a bear. Of the bear? Versus the ultimate potential of a positive scenario with the male. In other words, we're taking away him, the bear killing you, and we're taking away the man essaying you. Who outweighs who when it comes to the best scenario? No, what I'm saying is. The best case scenario of the 10 bears versus the 10 man is that the 10 bears quickly kill you. So what's the best case?
Neck. It's also possible they just leave you alone. Yeah, it's also possible. I got a really good one. I got a really good one. They also ignore you. They can actually help you. They can be your friend. I'm just saying, I don't think y'all understood the question. What about a hundred men? Or 100 bears. Oh, my God. Wow. Okay. If there's 100 men. Yeah. Then maybe there is a possibility. Wait. Oh, no, no, no. Wait, wait. I can even go back to the 10. So earlier, the percentage you said is 15%.
So that's saying 85%. So let's just say two of the men, they're trying to get you. And then the other 8% of the men would never harm you in any single way. So you would have even using your own statistics, you would have to grant that those eight other... men like and they all they're all witnesses to this if those two men tried to target you those eight other men
You've got to be realistic. They would come to your defense. Okay. Right? Is that fair? In every situation except for any sports team. or like hold on hold on it's random men it's not a collective sports team okay yes what i'm saying though is
It depends on if they're random or if they're buddies. Because if it's 10 buddies, absolutely not. I'll pick the 10 there. I still think, even if they're buddies, bro. I think they're 10 buddies. Here's the thing. So based on this logic, I just want to get to the bottom of this.
So your logic, when men congregate, there's a likelihood that we're just going to go raping and pillaging? Excuse me, raping and pillaging? Okay, every single time that I have been disappointed morally by... people in my life who are men. It's when they were together with other men. Never when they're with women. It's when they get together with their buddies, with their bros, and they make horrible, heinous, despicable choices. That is what happens. I'm not arguing that. Men do a lot of dumb.
stuff but does it turn into s a though men might want to jump off a building and do like parkour with some crocodiles but i'm talking about s a when i was in high school the uh i think it was the soccer team No, it was the baseball team. The baseball team decided to sneak a girl onto the bus and they sexually assaulted her. Bus driver did nothing. And I don't even know how she ended up on the bus, but all I know is that she had to change schools after that because...
the amount of humiliation and what they did to her. And no, she was not a willing participant. And no, she did not want to go onto the bus, but it was for a sleepaway thing. And they, yeah, they smuggled her on there and they took her against her will. Okay. So back to my other question. Is there more scary?
I mean, listen, I get it. Is there more, I just feel like there's more positive scenarios with the man as opposed to, I think the best thing the bear can do is just leave you alone. The best thing a man can do is a lot of things. He can help you out. Y'all can like each other. You can be friends. You can actually build something in the forest. I can build stuff. I built my kitchen table. We're talking about as opposed to a bear. You don't need men?
Oh, boy. I literally... I'm the handyman in my house. Not my... Not my... Not my partner. We're talking about the bears. Do you think society needs men? Well... The society needs women and men. That being said, in my life, personally speaking, I can survive in a forest without a man. Absent replication and having children. removing that component, do you think society needs men more than women?
I don't think one is needed more than the other. Yeah, I don't think that one is needed more than the other. So you guys are just totally ignorant of the reality of men's involvement in certain professions that are integral to the... And how many inventions that were taken credit by men that actually were created by women? A lot, actually. This is a total derailment.
um even if i grant you that some men took time well that's such a ridiculous uh response to my point but so going back to my thing so you won't even acknowledge that men have higher representation in certain key fields when it comes to infrastructure in this country? I was raised by...
Are you going to answer the question or just give us an anecdote? Why don't you wait for her to answer the question? Again, it's based off of experience. I was raised to be a good feminist. No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. I was actually raised in a very non-feminism, toxic, like, southern bathroom. practice background okay but all of that being said i was raised by my father that i do not need a man in any capacity
Other people around me tried to constantly say that I needed to have men for one reason or another, and that was always, but my dad taught me how to do everything that I need to do to survive in the woods, in the city, anywhere. I can do it. I can fix my car. I can build things. That was a great non-answer. Can you answer my question? I can acknowledge that men have provided a lot to infrastructure, but that doesn't mean that I need one in my life. You mean almost exclusively?
it doesn't mean that i need one in my life yeah but you need it by proxy like are you saying on like an individual like i don't need a husband Yeah, I don't need a husband. I love my partner, and he provides greatness to my life, but I am okay with or without a man is what I'm saying. But the fact that you have that idea is because a man made it.
allowed the world to be that way for you to come to that conclusion. You go back 200, 300 years, you wouldn't be able to say that. A man made it so comfortable for you to not need a man. I would say women also made that by all of their sacrifices, women's suffrage, pretty much anything that my dad has as a viewpoint that was positive for me is also... is is also a direct result to what his family and his
Like, upbringing is and their upbringing. You're talking about yourself. You're talking from, like I keep saying, it's not about us individually. We're talking about for the whole world. It is. The average woman can't take care of herself without no man. We're not talking about paying the bills. We're not talking about the luxury that men have afforded where you can be, get paid to press buttons on the computer. We talking about in the real world. If the grid shut down right now.
I'm sorry. If the grid shut down right now, you couldn't be a model. You couldn't be because some of these jobs were made out of men's advances in society. So now you feel like you have value because you can be a marketing rep or something like that. That's not even a. real job in reality like even what i'm no even what i'm doing i do i do content that's not a real job in reality we have luxuries where we can create jobs if the grid went down and it was just water shelter
In human aggression, what value would women have more than men in that scenario? We're quieter, stealthier. um i honestly i i don't understand this thing like what you're what you're trying you understand it's very clear you might not like it but you understand I don't understand the point of bringing it up, I suppose, but what I am going to... Because you need men.
Is that what you guys want us to say, that we need men? I feel like I need a man. How does that solve anything? It's not about solving because we can't fix it. We're just playing a mindset that men are talking about. It's not about fixing anything. Women have their mind made up. We just said both. That's what I'm saying. No, you said both. What did you say?
saying the grid went down they would just like she has certain survival skills she's talking about what she has right do you have those survival skills maybe i'll start a family maybe i'll start a club so you can survive in the woods with nothing
That's really cool that you guys can. I don't know if I could, but I guess y'all could. It's really cool that you guys can do that and be able to take on what man roles that you're saying. But wouldn't it be nice just to have a. male do some of the things that like you have to do of what you say like does that make sense I wouldn't it be like a compliment to have a
a stronger more fitted man for certain roles like it's just we need men just as much as women or vice versa you know what i'm saying like it's it's great that you can do all the those things but i just think that like we shouldn't hate on men just because we can do those things and we can prove those things like what
What are you trying to prove? Are you trying to be by yourself for the rest of your life? And a man told you you could do it. That's what gave you confidence, and it was a man. A need and a want is two different things, though.
I mean, I'm sure women want men, but needing and wanting something is two different things. Thank you. You don't need them. Why? Because you're thinking about the fact that you can pay your bills alone? No, I'm not talking about financially. If things hit the fan, you are fucked, sweetheart. You mean to tell me if you was in the woods right now with nothing you just can just find foliage and survive
Diving off of dirt and grub. So that would go back to experience because I was a girl scout. So that's why I'm not even speaking on that because. I could. I personally could. No, I really could. Like, I could. Well, when I see these shows, like, stranded and all that, the women be tapping out ASAP. Well, that's a show. It's a reality-based show. Like, come on. I don't even think I could do it that way.
Well, I'm a man. So there was this show where they put a group of men on an island and a group of women on an island. And these were like... you know they knew what they were getting into i would argue like the average woman is not gonna like want to go through that sort of experience and she doesn't have like the requisite survival skills to do that so this was like a group of survivalist men and like survivalist women
And the women, they couldn't start a fire. They needed to essentially, like the show, the producers had to basically go in within three days and rescue them. Otherwise, they were going to die. okay and the men were like kicking it fucking the the cabana or whatever the fuck you know they were chilling okay it's a show
It's a show and that's some people's experience. So it's fake? No. No one said it was fake. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So hold on. Yes, it's a show, but it's even worse if we were to just to randomly pluck out like a hundred women from the general population. throw them on the island versus willing participants in this sort of thing. So it's like there's just a difference in like a huge variety of things here.
I think the original question was do women need men? And I think the answer to that is no, they don't need men, air quote. They don't need men. No, you do. You need men. Let me finish, because you guys always say, let me finish, let me finish. Go ahead. Now, would every woman survive and be able to have all of these skills that are necessary? No. But are there some women... Let me finish, please. Let me finish. What does the word need mean? Can you let me finish? One thing, one thing.
One thing and I'll let you finish. Hold on, hold on. One thing and I'll let you finish here. Hold on. Just to be clear, you're talking about survival. So like life or death. Yeah, I think the operative word need is kind of important as it pertains to survival. But go ahead. Okay, what I was saying was that no, we do not collectively need you. There are women that do have those skills that we can support. You're still wrong. It's about power. It's not about logic. It's about power.
Are there men that have all of those skills? But I just admit it. I'm sorry. We need men. Men are great. Yes, I agree. And they do no wrong. No, no, no. They're great. Their way of thinking is so perfect. We do a lot of fun. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Go ahead, go ahead. Thank you. We'll let you talk. We'll let you talk. Go ahead. If you flip this and reverse it, men do not have all of these. Yes, I just miss the alligator. Sorry, I'm tired, I'm tired. Men do not have all these skills either.
They don't have all these skills. That's why we need each other. And not everyone would survive. But I said that. Can you let me finish this? But I said that. I want to say he did say in the beginning, I need women. And I also said some men can't survive in that scenario either. Can you let me finish this? Hey, there we go. Bring it on out. Guys guys guys guys guys guys
We have been interrupting her. Go ahead. Go ahead. This is the logic. Go ahead. No, no, go. Wait, guys, guys. Everybody give her a minute. Uninterrupted minute. Go ahead. Go ahead. Thank you. And please don't say anything. So what I was saying. Turn to the mic. Fix your mic. Oh, sorry. What I was saying is. Go ahead. That neither men or women would have all of the skills necessary.
But women would be able to support each other and women could continue the race, the population, sorry, without men. How would we be able to reproduce? We actually literally can't, though. We can't just get ourselves pregnant, though. Okay, we're getting far in the nitty-gritty here. What do you mean? Sperm banks?
Are you talking about sperm banks? But without men, we wouldn't have sperm banks. Oh, really? Exactly. You know what I'm saying? No, I'm not talking about scientifically. There's existing sperm banks. No, I'm not talking about existing sperm. Okay, so you mean, how would you continue the species, though? No, I read about this. You misspoke.
No, no, no, no. Oh, my God. The bone marrow? Let her talk. Let her talk. Yes, I read about the study that they're developing where women could have babies. I don't know if it was developed for lesbians. specifically or or what but i don't know if it's a hundred percent you know uh complete yet, but it's a scientific experience. So you're saying this exists? This exists today. Women can asexually reproduce?
I'm not 100% sure. Yeah, no, you actually sort of can, but it's guaranteed to be a female. It's in vitro. No, it's sort of. I don't think this is true. I still think we need men, to be honest, but... Even if we grant that... Wait, even if we grant that... Yeah, so many animals. Okay, go ahead, go ahead. I'm just saying...
Because, like I said, I made it clear. I said it in this statement. I said there are even some men that would not survive in the woods. Did y'all hear me say that? So I don't think that every man can do it. But it's a difference between... Feeling and design. We're designed to do it. So even though a man may not know, his body is more equipped to learn it and develop that skill quicker than you are.
from your perspective and you represent many women in the west it's not about what makes sense it's about Power. And it's about proving to yourself that you don't need men after men created a world where you don't need them. Men made the world away so you don't have to need a man because you have jobs where you can just type and get paid. You can do all these things.
that are basically strictly based on technology that gives you a false sense of superiority and power that if those things were removed from you, you would not win. They had an exhibition, Clarissa Shields. She's a great boxer. She got knocked out by an amateur man. She's a professional boxer. She got knocked out by an amateur man. Because there's a difference between what society tells you versus what you naturally are. I don't care how you feel, what type of bell hooks, books you wrote.
You're not designed to lead anything but yourself. Period. But you can tell yourself what you want. But when she hit the fan, we're going to see who can do what. Because it's hitting the fan right now. Thank God it's a few. How old are you? God bless you. How old are you? 23. How old are you? Exactly. You're 23 years old. You're 34 thinking like that. That's crazy. Oh, you knew my age, though. Yeah, because I want you to say it, though.
That's crazy. They're younger than you. We're talking about technological advancements a lot right now in this conversation. I talk about nature. But, no, we were talking about infrastructure, technological advancements. lot of technological advancements especially within medicine that was credited and has now been recredited to women that was originally credited to men. Kind of giving...
Lots of medical advancements were initially given credit to men, but it was really their subordinates, which were women, who created it and are now getting the credit that they deserve. Fake news. Absolutely. The current function of society, we do need men. That is my opinion. Well, to reproduce, yes, absolutely. No, not even that. The function of the society we have today, sanitation.
Welding. Yep. Underwater fucking jobs. No women. You know, I can't fucking overgeneralize all women. I have a friend in underwater welding. That's amazing. Well, the one. No, good. Good for you. We got an infographic. But here's the thing. I'll call her Instagram. Baby, I don't give a fuck. She doesn't give a fuck. I know. Like, yes, of course, there can be women that appreciate and like this job. Statistically and logically looking at it, though, we...
value. Men are an asset to the function of society that us majority of women want, need. And I would hate to say. Because you don't want power. Because I don't. Yeah. This is a power thing with them. It's not about logic. It's about we don't need you. It's a power play. It has nothing to do with logic. It's just they want to see men fall at the behest of women. Some women they will never say. I don't think that to be true. I've never said that men were not an asset.
or that they're not important but what we were saying sorry i don't mean to speak for you what i was saying was that men weren't necessary in in your your whatever you just said exactly there was a point brought enough it was stupidity i know i know there was a point brought up to sit like because i would hate as a woman to hear this to say like oh the only thing we need you to do reproduce that would make me see right if a man said that so to say that
to a man is crazy in my opinion to say that you're only here to reproduce we were talking in a hypothetical situation i know but if the hypothetical was We only need men to reproduce is actually a crazy thought. What were they saying women were for, though? That's literally... But the thing is, that never left his mouth. We just said you're not physically capable of doing what we're doing. But I said...
I said, we need you. And I also said some things men can't even do that other men can do. So I acquiesce to both of those things. And I'm not into the power struggle. I'm into logic. It would make sense. Women can't do everything that men do, and men can't do everything women do. Let's pull up the infographic. Can you pull that up, Damon? All right. Here, can you do right-click, open the new tab on the image?
We're going to get that going here in just a sec, guys. We have a quick infographic we're going to pull up. Guys, like the video if you're enjoying the stream. Like the video. And you got it? Okay. Make it bigger, please. All right, top 20 most dangerous U.S. occupations and percentage mail. Logging workers, 95% mail. Fishing workers, 99.9%. Aircraft pilots, 94%. Roofers, 98%. Refuse, so garbage collectors, 99%.
Truck drivers. 94. Iron and steel workers. 98. Farmers and ranchers. This is where you get your food. 75. Agricultural workers. uh 79 percent recycle recycle recycle oh my god i can't speak english recyclable materials workers 91 mining this includes oil and gas 99.9 landscaping 95 construction workers 97 cementing concrete make me smaller please cement and concrete manufacturing 97 no i just the our faces are in the way we're blocked so make us smaller on the right small right small
Did I say cement and concrete manufacturing? Electrical power line workers, 99. Police, 85. Maintenance and repair workers, 97. Taxi drivers, whatever. Oh, great. I'm going to get canceled by the Taxi Association. Support activities for mining. 99% mining except oil and gas. 99%. So, okay. Like, these are critical infrastructure jobs. majority men like it would be to total societal collapse if all men disappeared um world war ii
How is that relevant? All of the men went to war and who picked up the slack? Who worked in the steel? There were still men doing the jobs.
women picked up all the slack. That's who came in to do all the men's jobs. The scenario that I'm kind of thinking about in my head here is that like you snap your fingers so women don't have the requisite amount of time to like do the preparation and get the women in these fields in order to be like representative and have enough there to actually enter them so because these fields are currently predominantly
by men if you snapped your fingers and women didn't have the time to like you had 20 years to prepare for all men disappearing if it just happened like instantly you would you guys would be fucked It would be difficult. We would have to count on that one point. It would be catastrophic. But it would be impossible. What he was saying is that we would not survive.
stop stop stop hold on let me let me give a couple clarifying things here so in either scenario let's say all men die all women die either scenario it's the end of the human species eventually both both scenarios if all men survive All the women are gone. It's the end of the species. All the men disappear. Women are still there. End of the species.
for either one however i think there's a differential here just it's it's not to like dunk on women it's just like the the sheer re undisputable incontrovertible incontrovertible is that the word incontrovertible it's something like that it's okay reality of just the fact that men are so enmeshed in like critical infrastructure jobs that uphold like the
the society at large women are not represented in these jobs in significant amount of numbers where if there was some like scenario where all men disappeared there wouldn't be enough women to fill it and like the the cascading and domino effect of just the catastrophe that would happen if you had all men disappear who are making sure every single hour every single day that there isn't some like massive hits the fan situation everything would just start collapsing water sewage
electricity, gas, fuel refinement, garbage collection, telecommunications, IT infrastructure, road maintenance, all these things, truck and delivery drivers. Your food's gone. Your water's gone. Your electricity's gone. Without these things, people are going to starve. There's going to be fires. all kinds of probably criminal crimes occurring that's kind of to the side though uh yeah it's going to be like it's going to suck for men it's they'll live to old age
The women, I'd say like 50% of women are dead within three weeks. I'm not saying that's like dunk on the women. It's just the reality of the representation in infrastructure. What we're talking about is like these job fields that are predominantly men, but... What we are seeing is that a lot of women who, regardless of whether or not some of us like that or dislike that, were in a more masculine era.
A lot more women are open to being in these job fields and wanting to be in these job fields. And so maybe right now that is a high potential that we would fail. But maybe in 10, 20 years time, that's not going to be the same situation. Because they're going to evolve and become like super men, women. No, I think that more women will go into workforces that are predominantly men. Because now there's more of a space. Because it's a necessity, not a choice. Men give us choice. Thank you.
Men gave women choice. They also took choice away. Life isn't fair. I know women that do that type of work. And she don't want to do it. She does it out of necessity because she has a younger child. So women are getting to these fields because... They're having children, and they don't have a man there. So it's not what they want to do. Because right now, with all that stuff you know, guess what you're doing? You're a model.
You're not out there saving Smokey the Bear. So even with all those skills you got, you don't want to do that shit. So it sounds good to win an argument, but we love to win these arguments, but people are really listening to us. So let's ask this question. What would be more advantageous for a woman... listen to what you're talking about.
Or to try to find her place into what we're talking about. In reality, it may feel good. It may feel good and sound good on the view and all that type of shit. But real women who try to do that is going to fail because that's not what they want to do. Women want to be pretty. They want to be soft. And that's dope.
Ain't nothing wrong with it. There's a power in being feminine. But feminism have told you that the power is in mimicking men. So they need to just change the world and stop calling it feminism because there ain't nothing feminine about it. All they want to do is compete with men. That shit is stupid. Okay, feminism is about choice.
Yeah, to be men. Some of us choose to have a more soft approach and some of us choose to have a more masculine approach. Because men have afforded you the ability to do that. Most women don't want to do that shit. Are you going to cut everything off? Thank you. What I was saying is that feminism is the opportunity to choose. It's to choose what you want for yourself.
and that life if you want to be a stay-at-home mom that is your choice and that's a valid choice and all the power to you girl like i i love that for you i do But that has to be your choice. It can't be someone forcing you into that position. If you want to be a stay-at-home mom, that is your choice and that should be your choice, not someone forcing you or financially manipulating you or whatever it is into that decision.
And feminism, real feminism, supports every woman's choice, not just the harder, more masculine. What I'm talking about in a lot of these topics that we were talking about is my personal experience. I think I have a pretty balanced mix of feminine and hard energy based off of all of my life experiences combined. That's going to be different for every woman. I'm not trying to push... my choices for what I want onto some other woman.
But what I'm saying is my choices and my opinions are valid for my experience and for my life. And I respect that. But unfortunately, this is the dumbest dump to have ever dumped. Men and women are complementary, so maybe complement each other instead of acting like opponents, but choosing a bear over a man is dumb too.
Yo, Birdman, thank you for the $200 TTS. We also have another one coming in here in just a sec. Sorry for the delay on that, Birdman. We have a bit of a moderation delay. But thank you so much for the TTS, man. Really appreciate it. We have Just Gerald here. Thank you. Gerald donated $200. Not one woman at this table could last a month working construction in the death grip of an Alaskan winter, or survive for a month without electricity, or last a week on the oil fields.
Yo, thank you, man, Gerald. Really appreciate it. Somebody in my DM sent me. He works in... And he said, in the better part of a decade working in critical infrastructure, you know how many women I've encountered who deal with major outages at 2 a.m.? Zero. Every engineer, manager, vendor, other experts and boots on the ground dealing with a huge problem at stupid o'clock. All men, which is why we get paid more money than working nine to five job. That's what he wrote.
What do you guys get from being so defensive about acknowledging that men and women are supposed to be complimentary? in in society and there is a a necessity for them why you guys get so what what do you gain from it for me i'm not saying that men and women aren't complementary or that you know that men and women don't need each other. But you just fought against that. Yes, because he was saying in his little speech that...
Women cannot survive without men. And I was trying to point out that there is a possibility that we can survive without men. There's a possibility that I could fly. What is the benefit for men wanting to point out? all of this out to and if we're gonna flip all of this just being factual well these a lot of a lot of these facts and a lot I'll just say this right now. When I was DMed regarding this opportunity, I was anticipating that it was going to be a dating podcast. It's related.
Honestly, all of these questions have been very targeted. So for, I think I'm not going to speak on your part, but on me, what I was told this was going to be is very different from what it is.
I mean, feminism is like massive parts about dating. But there's a million other things that are going on in the dating world, especially... what it was referred to was the dating world here in LA and this is nothing really is we're talking about is exclusive to LA or exclusive to LA dating culture like a lot of the things that is what I was interpreting this was going to be about kind of seems like it's all from the male's perspective and the male's perspective on dating so
There's seven women at the table. Yes, but the answers. Hearing out your perspectives. I'm aware, but it's all of the questions that you're asking and that have been asked so far. It's like the man and the bear, all the viral things that have gone on that have gotten men and women into arguments. We're not talking.
I feel like these questions are made to get some aggressive feelings, and it's not necessarily like... Oh, we're having fun. Yeah. I don't think it's... I think it highlights a huge issue in the dating society. People that are so aggressive as females. I want to say, I changed my answer. And their role. And it can go the other way, too. Men are hyper-feminine. And it can go the other way, too. Also, I mean, like...
Didn't mean to cut you off there, but I do think a big part of like, one of the big things when it comes to dating is like, do we have the same values? And there's like, I think that's pretty important. So I don't think these things are totally beyond the pale in terms of...
I feel like it's more of an eye opener. Because if you flip this and put women in front of men, now we would have a problem with it. We genuinely would. We can't say that we couldn't. Because me, if I heard it, I'd be like, you're being sexist. If we're doing the same thing, we're being sexist. Like, we are.
need to hear this because, like I said, we gotta stop speaking from just our personal perspective, like me. That brother who was talking about what he went through with the woman, with the girl. I wouldn't have did that.
But he's not like me. So I would rather give information that's more digestible by the average person. The average woman doesn't want to do these survival scenarios. So just to pretend, to say it's possible, just to get a point for the... woman team is a power play more so than something beneficial for women because women are hive minded that are like even men doing these podcasts you'll be surprised how many people will watch this and say
That's what it is. And it's not what it is. So why not speak from the general consensus and not just speak from these nuanced perspectives? We just showed you a chart with damn near 99, not 94. 99% of most of those jobs were taken by men. What's the argument?
There is no argument, and it's okay. It doesn't mean men are better than women, but why can't we be honest and say, hey, I know how to do a lot of stuff with my hands, but the average woman doesn't want to do that. That doesn't mean you're weak. means you're strong because admitting vulnerability is a strength, it's not a weakness. Say that you can improve, that you can do these hard jobs. What is the end goal of you proving that you can do all of these hard tasks that men can do?
We're talking in this entire podcast, we've been talking about hypothetical situations, right? And that's what we're talking on. And then the moment that I say my opinion of a hypothetical situation, it's, oh, well, you hate men. I'm not talking about all men. And I'm not talking about, you know. Whether or not I value men in the work field. I'm not saying anything about that. Can I jump in really quick? So you said not all men, but you said...
Even if the chance is 1%, I'm willing to throw 99% of men under the bus. For the bear, for that in that situation, because the only person I'm hurting is myself in that. I don't go around my daily life insulting men or being mean to men. But if I had the situation that was a high. hypothetical, I would choose that situation for myself. And that's perfectly valid for me to choose that for myself. Sure. That being said, I don't go around my daily life and de-masculine, you know.
Whatever it is that is this kind of narrative amongst feminists that we hate men. I love men, okay? I have no problem with men. That being said... I don't think they said that either. I have so many male friends. That being said, a random guy who I can't vet, who I don't know anything about, is very different from a friend. I want to say something real fast. Just because you just pointed fingers at them, they just pointed fingers at you as what you thought. It's hard to explain, but...
We're just sitting here pointing fingers at each other and trying to literally just claim the power. That's good that women can do these hard jobs, but why is there such a big movement of... all of the women doing all of the hard jobs and all of the women being able to do the masculine things like what is the movement what is like the behind like motive of it no one's trying to claim any power we were just trying to answer a hypothetical question yeah well she was
saying that they were saying that they were saying that you hate men and you literally just said that they practically hated women I don't think anyone said that we hated men or women. I don't think you hate women. I don't think we hate men. I think the topics are very, like, kind of seeming to be, like... a little one-sided yeah i do agree with her these topics are very like one-sided like at a point where i'm just like you know what you got it you got it
Be great. W, patriarchy wins. Yes. At this point, I'm just sitting back because it's very one side. Have we even reversed roles to have us ask? You can do it. Don't do something. It's getting laid down. It's getting laid at this point. We've been here for a while. And everybody's a little antsy. She feels about like not choosing, like choosing the hair.
is how you feel about women wearing provocative clothing and not choosing them. That's what she's trying to say. It's an opinion. You have a valid opinion. But I'm saying you have a valid opinion, and that's your opinion. That's her opinion, basically. You have asked a question though multiple times and that to me and the question is what is there to gain or what is the end goal of women being able to do masculine jobs and
What I would say is the fact that women previously were not allowed in spaces to do those jobs meant that they didn't have the option. We have the option now, though, luckily. Yes, but now we have the option. So that is the end goal.
Wait, so you're saying women were like... It's a power play. You're saying like women, because of male sexism, they were barred from underwater welding? Is that your argument? No, what I'm saying is... it first of all in some fields women were not allowed to yes but in some fields it was just there were so many men and also it was not socially acceptable
And we are seeing an uptick in women wanting to pick up those jobs. And I don't think that there should be, this shouldn't be like a politicized or like crazy thing. It's just. No matter what the sex, they want to do it. Why are you attributing it to some vague, nebulous sexism on behalf of men? When it comes to a lot of these jobs, it has nothing to do with vague, nebulous sexism. Women are just not physically capable of doing a lot of these jobs.
Do you disagree? I feel like the majority of women don't want to do this job. And they don't want to do this job. I want to say, I don't want to be a coal miner. Like, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm definitely not doing that. But biologically, too. Have you taken anatomy and physiology or evolutionary medicine? Okay. Yeah. Cause I have a degree in it and I work in it and there is a physiological fundamental difference in.
biological men and biological women just for the sake of this argument how we regulate protein synthesis, how our literal bodies, our musculature, our physiology, our psychology, there is a natural adaptive advantage through evolution to serve the proof that They are better suited for a lot of areas. That's why they separate them in fucking sports for the Olympics. I mean, there is...
That's why there's fundamentals in women's sports. Hold on, hold on. Go ahead. You can answer to her. Go ahead. No, I agree that we are... I agree with that statement. That being said, just because someone might be better suited because they're 6'6 and have more muscle on them doesn't mean that a woman can't also be capable. All of these hypotheticals was whether or not someone was capable is what I was speaking to. Not whether or not it should.
So yes, can some women do these jobs? Sure. But there are just some jobs that like might be physically available to say, I don't know, 50% of men, right? There's some men that can't do the jobs either, right? Like I couldn't do roofing. i'd probably like give up after a day right but if like let's say only 50 of men can do it well that's still 50 of men whereas like what if it's only like 0.01 of women have the actual physical capability of doing it
And if it's that small, what's the point to bring it up? Because we were talking about hypotheticals and the situation of whether or not it was if women were capable to do those things it's not that i'm saying more women that i'm disagreeing with your your your statement that more men do these fields or that they're predominantly male they're more capable yes
What I was saying is that women are still capable of doing that. And I don't understand why that is such a hot take. It's not. Women are capable of doing it. We're doing it good, doing it well, or just doing it. But that does not mean it's... We never said we wanted to do it. That's not what you guys initially said, though. Initially you were saying it wasn't about being capable. It was about men can do this. This is what men are doing. Women cannot do this.
do that and they don't want to do it that was the argument i'm listening thank you I'm observing. Do they want to do it? But that wasn't the initial argument. You said that women weren't capable, but there are some women. Yes, but most women are not. physically capable of doing it, and even if you add to the women who can do it, they don't want to do it. And I agree with that, but that was not the original argument. Damien, pull up the cockroach manhole video. Pull it up. Go ahead.
That sounds like an interesting video. I think that's crazy. All right. Play it. Make it bigger, please. Yeah, I'm not doing that. All right. Look, most women could have a little hose and... Start from the beginning, please. Just let it play through. Oh, come on. Like, there's more men.
Like, a lot of women could get down into a manhole and do this. Yeah, so it's not even just about capability. It's about, like, willingness to do those jobs. Most women are not willing to do, like, the sort of gross, these sorts of jobs.
Yeah. Men are. What I was saying in these hypothetical situations was that if the world ended, that we would be able to do that. Not that we want to do that. Not that I want to crawl into a manhole with a bunch of cockroaches, but I... could potentially do that if my life depended on it if some civilization depended on it this world wouldn't be here if one race was there and the other one wasn't so like i just still don't understand that
There is no winning in this circumstance, in this situation. We're strictly talking about hypotheticals. And the fact of how these questions are worded to make it seem a little perhaps biased. I mean, it's hypothetical to bring out actual logic. So hypothetically, it's a scenario, but the logic is really applied in real life, and it doesn't make sense. So take hypotheticals removed away from it.
Would y'all, do women you know would want to do that? Yes or no? I want to say the statistics were pulled up. It was like 90% of men did the men job. So what's the point besides us? Because I've heard. We were responding to your hypothetical question. Okay, so take away that. Because someone bring that up. You do HVAC, right? I'm certified for it, but I just do management now. But it's a dirty job that...
Women are, some women are doing, some women are doing that. Some women are doing that, but they're doing it. Most that I see are women as, I'm not trying to be racist, but a lot of Mexican women are doing it with their husbands. So they have like a group. Business so they're actually doing it with their man the women that I know that is doing it on their own is because they have to
And they need money to take care of their children because they're single mothers. They have to, but they don't want to. And sometimes when women take on those jobs, they take on those jobs at the expense of their femininity.
They become a lot more aggressive. They become a lot more masculine. So, yeah, they're able to make money, but it's slowly declining their... relatability to men so it's like yeah they're doing it but what's the end goal what do they acquire from doing this outside of taking care of themselves economically they're not happy they're lonely a lot of them are miserable but they're just doing men's job so
Even though women can do it, if it's such a small percentage of women doing it, to bring it up is irrelevant outside of just winning an argument. In this hypothetical situation, there were no men, so why do we need to be feminine? Guys, I do want to move things on. We've talked on this for a while. I'll bring it back to a dating question. I do have one chat here.
meet the kaiser chair one my ex was the same also a waitress had bpd we lived together for three years then split very similar she never listened to her therapist just chatted is therapy helpful what do we think quick answer on this Therapy is helpful if you want it to be helpful. But if you don't want help, you can't get help, to be honest. Now, going around the table, bringing it back to dating. So in this, my new thing I'm doing here.
The question is, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? If you guys can just repeat whatever you wrote in here, starting with you. Go ahead. I said money doesn't really matter as long as the needs are met because, I mean, like, I'm not. If I really like a person, I don't like them for their things. I like them for them. So, like, if needs are met, roofs overhead, food on the table.
What really more can you ask for? You said you don't care. I said I don't care. With my seven year long relationship, there has been points in which he got laid off and wasn't. working there's points where i was not working and we support each other it's a equal partnership what we have so it does not matter what what so if he if he came to you and he said you want kids one day right
I want to eventually adopt, I think. But you don't want biological children? No, just it's not something that's in the cards for me. Just curious, have you talked to your boyfriend, seven-year boyfriend about this? Yes. He's with you, adoption? Yeah, he understands. I can't have children pretty much, even if I really wanted to. And the other thing is I am a carrier for my whole family is genetically pretty much.
fucked so i have lupus my whole family has um like autoimmune diseases i don't think that it would be responsible for me to pass those genes along to another child okay fair enough um In any case, so if your boyfriend... If he's like when you do want to adopt though, one kid, two kids, um, probably two, two, um, if he was like, Hey, I want to be a stay at home father for our adopted children. You'd be okay with that. Oh, that's already the plan. Like that. That's the plan. That is the plan.
I'm like, he'll be a Pika dad. He'll be everything because he's our dog. Sure. All kinds of different arrangements people have. What about you? Minimum yearly income, I guess, for your future wife then, I suppose. Okay. Unless you won. A husband? No. Okay. I said none because it was referring to men. Doesn't matter.
Does it? Her income doesn't matter. Okay. If it was a man, would it matter? But, yeah, you did say. You did say earlier, like, well, I have higher standards for men. He would be able to. He would have to be able to. Would you be? Not afford. How do I word this? To afford my lifestyle. Not because I want him to take care of me, but for example, I like to travel. I want him to also be able to afford to travel. If it's a number, income.
Income number. Just give me a number. I don't have a number. Wait, I have a question. Because you said earlier, like, the guy has to, like... for you to date a guy he has to meet much higher standards than when it comes to you dating a woman so like would you say in terms of the income thing you'd be straight for pay instead of gay for pay you'd be straight for pay
No. Like a mill? Like, would you be straight for pay? Like, would I be with a man just because of his... No. Like, that's some, like... Your life is good. So you would discard a male billionaire who loves you as opposed to a woman with nothing, who's just beautiful, who loves you? Yeah. Oh, great. It's for the love. It's for the love. What did you say for minimum yearly income? What I said was I think like a median average, an average median salary for.
like the area i choose to be in you said more than median salary more than yeah and i feel like more could mean like it's honestly pretty subjective To me, a number does not matter. I think what matters is realistically for me, I want to be able to comfortably assume. A lifestyle that includes not living in poverty or lower class. I don't want food stamps. I'm sorry. I don't judge.
I accept people like that romantically, but for me personally, I want to live above the average median salary of the demographic of where I choose to be. Where do you live? I live here. Oh, you're in Santa Barbara. I'm in Santa Barbara. um but i was living median here let's look yeah let's look it up all right uh median hold on median salary santa barbara oops one sec uh the median salary the average annual salary this is for marriage by the way not for
I can get... It's $75,000, the average annual salary. Is there a difference between... I'm like R slurred. Is there a difference between median and average? No, right? It's both media. Am I? Sorry, guys, I'm moving on. There's a difference. I dropped out. I want to say, well, I used to find the media in school. You take all the numbers and find the average. And then the average. Yeah, it's average. Whatever, average. Like the average. 75,000. Yeah, that, I feel like.
So like 80,000 is what? For marriage, for me to settle down and feel really confident and I met my person, that's, yeah. Sure, okay. What about you? I know I left it blank, but that doesn't mean none. Just more than I make, honestly, so I can be provided for. How much do you make? Do you make six figures? Yes. So like, uh-huh.
Would 150k be sufficient for you? I would want more, probably, honestly. I would want him to double it, honestly, because I want to be able to not work someday. Wait, you'd want to what? Not work someday. Oh, okay. Because I want to have a family. Yeah. So what do you think? $250K? Is that? Yeah, I guess for nowadays, that seems. That's still a little low, though, right? Is that upper middle class here? I don't know. I mean. What about you?
I said 400,000. I know I'm going to get shit for this. Hold on. I'm into it. Good for you. That's right. This is why. 400,000. Because I was married and I can go off of my... previous experience and then i make 200 so i would expect him to obviously make more than me i mean i don't know that's kind of like wait your prior your previous husband was making how much 400
He was making, what was he doing? He, um, he had, he was the CEO of his own company. I don't, I don't want to. Okay. Yeah. Um, but he passed. So, yeah, but, um, yeah. So, and I make two. Was it an age gap relationship? Wait, how old were you when you dated? When I got married, I was like 22? Like 22? Yeah. Was he like 25 or something? He was actually younger than me. He was 20. He was 20 years old making $400,000 a year? He did e-commerce. He did a lot of different stuff.
I just would like to keep that kind of what I'm used to. Just the normal kind of what I'm used to. Nothing that I'm changing. Wait, you guys are married? Yeah. I don't want to change anything that I already have the swing of things that I have going on. Wait, did you take over his business? Yeah, I did.
but i helped him build it too so it was like yeah sure uh so 400 you want a guy who earns 400 000 bare minimum just off of like i said previous and what i'm kind of used to but i mean have you since your husband's
Like this guy you went on a date with? Yeah, it's kind of the same. The dating pool is the same. So I'm not doing anything that's abnormal. What about you? As long as we're stable and not like... on edge of with bills and stuff i'm completely fine and as long as i'm compatible with the person okay uh and then um well that's it for that one um what about you how much would you want your uh girlfriend to make.
Man, I don't care about none of that shit. You know what I'm saying? Long as she can take care of herself without me, like if she already got her own place, she already got her own car, she already got her career, obviously she knows what she's doing for herself. I feel like two heads are better than one. I feel like we put so much value on what somebody.
earn and then we complain when we get in these weird situations it's like anybody can lose their job any day I want you to care about me and there's no price on that so as long as she's because I feel like if we're both in it we both can contribute because If you go half and I go half, not saying it has to be 50-50, but I feel like.
That gives the woman equity in the situation. Because a lot of women just want to be taken care of, but when he breaks up with you, when he take all that money, you can't say shit because you don't have no equity in nothing. You don't pay for shit. I'd rather a woman who, I just take her as long as she treats me well. Because these days, we probably can get rich together. Two hairs are better than one. A woman can get through a door that I can't get through.
I can get through a door that she can't get through. So why can't we combine ourselves together? Me, personally, when I'm evaluating a mate, I don't think about money. I'll think about how she makes me feel because love will inspire you to make money. Real connection will inspire you to do more for each other. So I don't care about that. So I guess moving off of off of that one, going into my notes.
here hannah right yeah uh hannah perhaps this ties back into the previous convo i promise we won't linger on it though um you said that and so in this i asked you to circle what you disagree with so the the question or the statement was men are physically stronger than women you disagreed on that is that correct What was the, wait. So it says men are physically stronger than women and you circled it, which means you disagree. I think I got confused with that one. Okay. Yeah, I do agree.
that a lot of times that they're stronger but I do think that there's also women I thought I put like a little maybe I put like a dash well there was the one above it You did say, I don't know, but maybe it was the one above it, which is 20. In any case, if that was incorrect, then I'm happy to move on. I feel like there are plenty of women that are stronger.
some men, but there's plenty of men that are stronger than some women. It's subjective. I think it has more to do with height, weight, and muscle capacity. Would you grant that most men are stronger than most women? I would say, like, the average man is stronger than the average woman, which is why I'm scared to be in a forest with them alone. But there's also, you know, plenty of...
beautiful, gorgeous, tall women that could easily take down, you know, a man shorter than me. So it's like, it depends on the situation. It depends on body mass. Yeah, being stronger than you too, you know what I mean? Yeah, but once again, I'd rather just die. I'd rather just die. Okay. All right.
I mean, I don't know what the actual percentage breakdown is, but I think they've analyzed grip strength, and I think it's like, I don't know if we have the stats on it. Something like 95% of them are stronger than... all women or something like that i don't know i don't know i mean grip strength i give really terrible massages so like i don't know maybe that's something i don't know strength is uh is reflective of your general strength uh what i what i
No is like, I don't think that there's any like hard, I think. I think it's like very gray. Things can be very gray. I don't think it's like always black and white. Well, yeah, there are certainly there's women who are there are some women who are stronger than men. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Yeah, I'm not saying it's not 100%. I want to say there is not a single man.
that I would be like, yeah, it's a man. I'm not fighting a man. I can pick up nearly every single one of my co-stars, including my co-stars that are taller than me, but if we were to be in a fight, I don't know, I'd be a little scared. If a man is actually fighting against a woman, I think the man is almost going to win almost every time. I've been in physical fights with men, and yeah, it's like about 50-50. Sometimes... 50-50. Were they going ham on you? Did they throw...
Here's the thing, I grew up with older brothers and the amount of fighting that we would do and lots of sparring, lots of combat. I can occasionally take... See, but I feel like your brother isn't going to try to knock you away. You don't know my family. I'm willing to bet... I would be willing to bet right now a million dollars, and you can distribute it all amongst yourselves, it could be all seven of you versus Illa here right now. I think he'd win. He'd win. No, at the same time.
At the same time. No. Seven of you. Like, what? I would win? I want to say if one of us just took a body part, we could actually win. Actually, seven of us on him, we could win. So someone grabbed the arm, I grabbed the leg, someone else had the other arm. So seven of y'all can't beat me, but seven of y'all can survive in the wilderness.
I changed my answer. I changed my answer. We could absolutely. I'll ask the chat. Chat, who do you pick? So who wins? Who do you place your bet on? It's a 7v1. All the women. You know what? We'll throw in. We're throwing in Anissa too. 8v1. And she's behind him, too. She can throw in the chokehold really quick. And she's got a helmet. Chad, does the guy win? Or is it the eight women? Eight women or the one guy? Who wins?
Y'all should win with all the ingenuity y'all got. I was going to say, I pull a limb, someone else pull a limb. If every one of us did some damage, it would be fine. On each limb, I think we could figure it out. Eight of us? We could do that. I don't even like talking like that. Someone's got to like trick him or something. Should we try just to prove a point though? No. Are we just fighting right now? Y'all should beat me.
Tracks from y'all gang, like you said, y'all can do so much. Y'all should be able to destroy me, man. What are some of these other questions that we answer? All right, so why don't we pull up Twitch? Let's go do a quick Twitch shout-out. We've got to get through a whole bunch of stuff.
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Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Really appreciate it. And then, uh, okay, let's get into the, let's try to blast through these notes as quickly as I can here. Okay. Why don't we just do Hannah's first? Okay. Let me get my glasses here. uh okay and a lot of you also disagreed on this one so dating is easier for women to which you disagreed andrea disagreed
Tiara, did I say that? Tiara. Tiara, did I say that right? I thought it was easier. I think I might have answered. Dating is easier for women. You disagree? Oh, you agree. I think it's easier for women. Okay, you didn't follow the instructions, but it's okay. Yeah, my bad. Sorry. Those of you who circle dating is easier for women. You think it's easier for men. You disagree that it's easier for women.
I mean, when I say that it's easier for men to date, I guess, is because it's not that it's easier for them to get a date. A woman can get a date like... I've never had a shortage of men in my DMs. I could get a date. If I was single tomorrow, I could have 15 dates lined up for myself. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is in a relationship, finding someone who...
Like... isn't trying to pull a power trip on you or isn't trying to change you and like this isn't just from my perspective all of my girlfriends struggle with this is like you just want someone who wants you for you and instead they want someone else but they just like the way you look and so they're trying to change you like it's it's in that aspect harder because I think most of the time at least with my friend group and me we ask for pretty much the bare minimum just love us
Be moderately funny. Be able to take care of yourself. Like I don't want to babysit you. Like at least just take care of yourself. And. Have passion for something and just accept me for who I am. That's it. That's like five things. I feel like those are like basic things. But wouldn't it be easier for women to get a date if you just said you could get any date because men are lined up in reviews? No, no, no, no. We can get dates, but...
for those dates to turn into boyfriends, like turn into dating, like multiple dates with one person. I feel like it's not that deep though. I think he's just asking, is it easier for us to get dates? And like, and you kind of said in the beginning that like, yeah. Yeah. Like to get, yeah. to get a date absolutely yeah it's easier for women but he said dating so I was kind of thinking of dating not getting a date
I think of dating as just like, oh, you're going on dates, like multiple dates. Yeah, multiple dates. You're not in a relationship, you're just dating. When I think of dating, I think of... like getting past the first date stage and going on to a second date third date like you're dating a person I don't know finding someone who you want to go on a second date with is really I guess what I was saying is so it's like multiple first dates not going on dates
Well, you're going on dates with multiple people. You're going on dates with different people every single time, but what I meant is finding someone who you... want to date I so I feel like you're trying to say it's hard to be in harder for women to be in a relationship with men but it's not
Harder for women to date. I think that's what you're trying to say. I meant finding someone to date, I suppose. Because that's what dating is, is you're finding someone who you want to date. And it's harder to find someone who you want to date because...
Wait, but this, doesn't this contradict? If you still go on a date with someone, you're going on a date, whether you liked them or not, you went on a date. Wait, but hold on. But just to answer that, doesn't that kind of like contradict your previous point? So.
On one hand, you're saying women don't really ask for a lot. We just be slightly funny. All the five other things you listed. But also, it's really hard to... Like, I'm just confused. Because, like... within my experience and like my friends experiences at least I can't speak for any of the other girlies at the table you go on the first date with someone and you're like oh my gosh he's funny check check you know he's um nice to me check but then he says something
thing like really effed up about you know other women or like putting other people down and you're like okay i gotta dock him for this and i don't want to go on a second date with him but you still were on a date with him yeah wait i'm gonna give myself a pass here if he says retard on the first date is that a deal breaker for me yeah I think that's hilarious. Okay, here's the only reason why is because I have family members who are part of that. Who are part retarded. Yeah.
That's not the appropriate word. It's not. You were about to call your family members retarded. No, I was not. Sorry, my bad. Um, for me personally, that is a deal breaker and it is something that if someone says it, you know, I will, if someone says that and I'm dating them or if I'm involved with them, I'll be like, Hey, you can't say that. It won't necessarily mean that. I won't go on a second date with them depending on how their reaction after that is. You'd call them out.
But I will call them out. Wait, wait, can we can we role play super quick? I know you probably hate me, but let's role play. I know you're in a relationship. Just pretend you're single. All right. So. I'm trying to think like you're a type of guy. I cannot wait to hear that. Give me the mega pass right now. I'm like so excited to hear what's about to come out. All right. So you and me, we're on a date. We're at Nobu. Oh, God.
Cause I roll like that or whatever the fuck. Okay. We're at Nobu and I'm like, you know, eating the steak. Are you vegan or anything? I mean, I don't eat steak, but no, I'm not. Are you vegetarian? I was vegan for seven years. I don't know why this matters. Okay, I'm eating a steak. I'm not vegan anymore. I'm eating the steak.
And then, like, I accidentally spill this cup. I spill it. It doesn't spill on you, but it spills. It kind of gets on the table. It was wine, too. I spill it. And I'm like, oh, shit. I'm so retarded. I would... In that situation, I would say, it's okay. It's just wine. It doesn't really matter. And then I would address it after and say, But as far as that word goes, that's not okay. That's not something that I personally want to hear. Oh, I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry you feel that way.
Does it change anything if I'm actually retarded? No, no, we're still role-playing. We're still role-playing. We are still role-playing. He said, well, I'm actually well. I was diagnosed. At a young age with retardation. And so I identify as a retard. Are you making a joke right now or are you actually?
Actually... Intellectually disabled. I could be. Not could you be, but in the situation we were talking about. Wait, are we still role-playing? I think we're still role-playing, yeah. We're still role-playing, yeah. Oh, we're still role-playing. Yeah, we're at dinner right now. Are you, are you actually, or is that a joke? Wait, like in the role play? Cause it could be like, in the role play. I'm talking to you as if we're, but I'm not like, okay, removing, I'm not actually retarded.
But okay, going into the roleplay, yes, I went to see a psychiatrist. Yes, I'm retarded. Okay. In the roleplay. In the roleplay. I'm retarded. In the role play, you are? In the role play. And you feel like you identify like that? I do. I want you to affirm my identity. Now, I want you to call me a retard. I will not. I will not. Why won't you affirm my identity as somebody who's retarded?
That is not... I'm actually offended. How dare you? How dare you not affirm my identity as somebody who is... I prefer not to use that word. You can feel that. This is the appropriate word that I feel comfortable with using. In fact, I'm more offended if you call me like mentally challenged. I'm more offended by that. I'm just retarded. And also it's because I'm French. I prefer... I...
Identify more with a, it's a retard, it is a French word. Yeah, no, that's, you know, that is totally okay if you identify. Call me a retard. Or the state's over. Can I finish my thought? I will walk out of here right now leaving you with this bill. Then you can do that. If you don't want to continue this date. You'll pay for the Nobu bill? Yeah, I'll pay for it. It's expensive. That's okay. This is an expensive bill. That's all right.
I'm sorry that this date didn't go well for you. I really hope you have better future endeavors. It was lovely meeting you. Really? You're going to...
You're going to discriminate against me based on my disability? I'm not discriminating. That's very ableist of you. I'm not discriminating. I thought you were woke and progressive. I'm not discriminating. You wouldn't date somebody who's retarded. No, you can. You wouldn't, wait, say. Wait, what? You wouldn't date a retard? Oh, wait, that's not what, no.
That is really offensive. I've got to wait. Freudian slip. Look, okay. I almost dropped someone else's name. That's really bad. You once stated a R word. Person? No, no. I mean, actually, no. No, no, no, no. Let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. I dated a guy and we, this was in high school. I dated a guy.
He was very sweet until he got another girl pregnant. But he got into a fight with me, actually. It was like multiple of us. It was on the news because it got to be such a big thing. I got arrested. He got arrested. everyone got arrested um essentially um we got jumped by the high school jocks and we were like emo kids and he got so badly pummeled that it caused severe brain damage that
would, like, he never recovered from it. He actually became, like, drug, like, really drug dependent because of it. And so, yeah, I guess in that situation, like, he was not functioning on the level of, like, you know normal anymore because of the brain damage because of the brain damage it was severe yeah so like yeah technically speaking i don't know um yeah
Anyway. Would anybody else here object to the scenario if you pretend put yourself in her position? I spilled the cup. So it's not like I have a hatred towards people who are our word.
r worded it's just i self-deprecated and i'm like oh i spilled the thing i'm so i'm an idiot i'm a i would be like yeah you're you fucking retard like sometimes we have women on the on the show spill a cup of water and I call them retards and they should say thank you for keeping me accountable like Brian that was so attractive let's go on a date absolutely no I will call my date out I call my friends out I call my mom out on stuff I will
call people out you call your mom out yeah all the time she hates it she's a different generation how old's your mom 60 i can't give that information out Is she single? She always says she's 29. Is she single? Huh? Is she available? Uh, no. She's still with your, is she married or? No. She has a boyfriend. How long they've been dating? I mean, it doesn't sound that serious, to be honest. I don't know if it's that serious. You'll have to ask her. It doesn't sound like it's really like...
I don't know, just saying. I mean, if you're interested, I'll give her your number. Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah, but if you use that word, you can't be my stepdad. Challenge accepted. ah good times okay uh what any other panelists have a available mother that they can set me up with just checking not not of course i wouldn't do that to you We're homies. I mean, I have friends that are more your age. I want to say technically my mom's single. Okay, good talk. Okay.
Um, I don't know where that came up. How did we start talking about? Oh, dating is easier for women. How do we, why did you bring up this really offensive? Yeah, this was your idea. I don't, I don't think. I don't know how we got here. Like roll it back, right? She brought that to us. You were like, I really want to talk about our words. Like this is your go-to topic. Gaslit.
Okay, anyways, your next thing. Okay, a few of you, I'll move it on just so we can't linger on anything for too long. A woman's career money status does not... make her more attractive to men, to which I think a couple of you circled disagree. I don't remember what I chose. Hannah, you disagreed. Andrea, you disagreed. Let's see. Tiara, you disagreed.
When I thought that we were talking specifically about LA and that kind of dating pool is what I was talking about when I filled that out, because that's what I thought we were talking about today, but that was my misinterpretation. Because in LA, I think status, money, and who you know very much factors in to who men date. For women? Also for men. Oh, for men. Also for men, yeah. I think for both people. So, but I don't really, I don't know if it matters for like regular dating.
You're saying in LA? In LA it does because most everyone's industry. And so it's kind of like, I feel like everyone's trying to like, you know, network and everyone's like, you know, I don't think. Oh, well, I mean, I mean, I might be willing to grant that like some like. actor who is getting mostly extra jobs like working as an extra and he mostly works as a server
And he, like, shares a bedroom with three other guys and Reseda. Yeah, like, if fucking, I don't know, some, I'm trying to think, like, Angelino Jolie steps to him. He might be like, oh. I was, when I filled that out, that's what I was under the assumption of, so. But in terms of like. I don't know. Okay, here. You have... I'm trying to think. Okay, Lizzo. Money, status, success. Boom. Put Lizzo in a club. And then put like...
A nobody 21-year-old who lives with her parents. And she's not in debt, but she's a barista, $18 an hour. All the men in that club. Who are they gravitating towards? I shouldn't have used Lizzo for this one. That was a great visual. No, but because of gravity, I shouldn't have used... Because of gravity, I shouldn't have said Lizzo. When I say gravitate, I mean not... I mean... colloquially not literally like the gravity because of the mass uh you know what i mean
Was that offensive? I saw the pun. If we were on a date, would you have like a sidebar conversation with me about this? Like, Brian, that was really offensive. Don't body shame. No, no, honestly. With my experience with men, specifically. You're saying it's okay to the body shame pat people? No, no, no, no, no. How fucking dare you? You piece of shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is really offensive. Okay, sorry, go ahead. Jesus Christ.
Unbelievable. In my experience with dating men is that... With women's bodies a lot of times it's kind of ingrained that they will make a comment on it And that's not something that necessarily I can change or fix I can always if it's an offensive remark like truly offensive like targeted I have course we'll say something but sometimes I have to pick my battles and what I actually want to bring up especially when you're first dating someone because you don't want to just like
combat with everything that they're saying but you do want to get to know that one one other question okay and then we're going right back to the lizzo one though you're not going to escape the lizzo question a guy comes to a date with a plastic water bottle Are you saying something? No. Like, how dare you pollute the environment? You want to see the rainforest burn. No, I'm not going to comment on their water bottle.
That's not something... Gatorade makes water now. Oh, whatever that is. Okay, I don't know. I'm not going to comment on it. One time, like, years ago... No, this was, like, four or five years ago. I was on a date with a girl, and I brought... water bottle not not unlike this to the date and she says something about the water bottle you do live in california she must have been like an environmentalist but i brought a water bottle to the date mind you when i'm at home
I have like a RO system. Like, so I drink from a glass, but it's convenient to just, I'm running out the house. Let me grab a bottle of water. Yeah. She literally tanks the date because I brought a ball of water. She's like, whoa, you need to watch your plastic consumption, sir.
the date was open but that's what i mean that's literally what i mean what we're straight back to what we were talking about earlier not everyone is going to be your cup of tea i think you should let the you should really rethink like letting the r slur thing pass
to be on tbh well i i'm very happily involved with someone who doesn't need to use that word so it's okay what's your boyfriend's name like first name i don't want to disclose okay i'll i'm just gonna guess it's uh bartholomew oh my god wait, hold on. That is not, that's not his name, but that's my nickname for him. It's an inside joke, but that's fucking crazy. Wow. I, it was the Venus. It was the vibes.
Was aligned, Mercury, Jupiter, I don't know. Bartholomew. Is he watching this shit? Is he fucking watching this shit? Bartholomew. Did he drive with you down to Santa Barbara? No, he did not. You're going to see him tonight? At like 1 a.m. Okay, okay. Bartholomew, the moment she steps through the door, call her a retard. And I want to see if this is the true test of your guys' relationship. She steps through the door, Bartholomew. You have to call her the R-slur.
And if she's like, oh my God, that's so funny. And she, that's the, and then if she's the one, if she's like cool with it, you're gonna be cool with it. He's going to do it. He's not going to do it. He's my homie. He's already in bed. I guarantee you. He goes to bed like really early. Okay, text him and be like, as soon as I step through. Once you get your phone, you're going to text him and you're going to say Bart. Barty.
Barty. Barty. Call me. I made a bet with Brian. You have to call me. I don't know. This is too contrived at this point. Just fucking call her a R word when she walks through the door. And you have to have sex with him afterwards. And while during sex, he has to also call you. Definitely not happening. Wait, Damien, can you search up that Reddit thread about like calling somebody an R word? Like dirty, Reddit, dirty talk, retard. Okay.
Just Google it. Just Google it. You'll find it. Okay, Lizzo. Sorry, I'm sorry. Oh my god, bro. The fucking caffeine's getting to me. Lizzo or hot nobody... 20-year-old barista. Who do the guys pick? Well, you said she's 20, so obviously they're going to go for her regard. They like young girls. Guys like young girls. Sorry, 2021 to make it so she can drink, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. They'd pick the younger girl, like, nine times out of ten, I would say.
Can you pull that up, Damien? Do you have it, Damien? Did you find the thread? I mean, is it the dirty talk one? Do you have like Oh My god here I'll send it to you I'll send it to you Or should I just read it? I don't know if we need the reddit thread Okay, here, I'm going to read something to you guys. Not me, but an old friend of mine. Really quiet, soft-spoken, polite guy. A total gentleman and a graduate student in the liberal arts. That's okay. Also, pretty...
Also pretty inexperienced, tentative, and vanilla sexually. He's dating this really cool girl for maybe two months. She's much, much kinkier in bed. She floats the idea of dirty talk. and apparently likes to be objectified, even demeaned a bit, from time to time. He's hesitant, but wants to please her and doesn't dismiss the idea outright. Changes the subject and figures that they'll revisit the idea another time.
Anyway, they have sex a few days later for the first time since the conversation. They're really going at it doggy style. And she tells him to talk dirty to her. He says that he can't think of anything to say. So he says nothing. And she then repeats the request, but the second time, she is not fucking requesting, but demanding it. He comes up with, yeah, you like that, you fucking retard?
He came up with it? All by himself? He's never struck me as one for embellishment, so I believe him. He said that was it for the sex that night, although they are still together two years on. That's love. That is love. You know, power to them. All right. That's crazy. All right. All right. Let's see here. Oh, do you have any thoughts on this one? The woman's career money status?
Does it make her more attractive? It does to a man who thinks like a woman. You know what I'm saying? A lot of guys are... they try to compete with women think like them and they think that shit matters and it really doesn't wait to like say to go off something you said earlier you said like a woman like if she can take care of her own like that's more attractive to you so doesn't status kind of no i said
As long as she can take care of herself. You can take care of yourself working at Best Buy as a manager. You don't have to be... Auditioning for Revolt or some shit. You know what I'm saying? You could just be a regular girl with a regular job. So there's value in taking care of yourself, but high value status is a little more than that. You know what I mean? She doesn't have to have a blue check and be trending on it.
I don't care about none of that shit. She's got to be able to take care of herself, because the real talk, the baddest women is the ones that just in the neighborhood, like regular, like it's not the ones that's on TV. It's the most beautiful woman I've seen with never celebrities, so that's just me. Did you also say, though, that they should split dates? So what if the guy makes significantly more and she can't split dates? No, no. Now, this is the thing, right? Good question. Man...
i'll say me and some men i know you don't gotta pay for it we just want to see an effort like in other words I'm paying for the date and you'll cover the tip or we'll go to like an after hour spot. You'll be like, I'll get the hookah. Just show me that you care because I feel like when we go on a date, I'm paying, especially in the beginning when I don't know, we don't owe each other anything. I feel like I'm paying the price of admission.
To the you show, you're paying the price of admission to the me show. It's not about neither one of us. We're paying for each other's energy. So who are you or who am I to say what's in the early beginning? But if I'm balling out of control.
I'm going to take care of it because I got it. And it's not that big. I'll pay for my homie. I don't care. I'll pay for a stranger. I don't care. It's just money. You know what I'm saying? I like to see people happy. But I just want to see effort on her part. You don't have to pay for the date, but show me that you care something or pick up something for me. I thought of you. I brought you, like one girl brought a hookah to me one time. So it's like.
Just show that you care. Show some type of gesture. You don't have to cover the whole thing, but don't just show up and be cute all the time. Like, do something. I'm also curious, too, like, what if the guy was struggling? Should the woman pick up? After his? Well, if you're struggling, you shouldn't go to a place where money is required. You know, there's parks, there's museums. You know, be creative. You can cook.
You can have a picnic in a park. You know, use your creativity because if you don't have no money, you don't need to be inviting women out to date. You can invite them to meet. You can do a little icebreaker, but I'm not going to invite a woman to a date and I don't have no money. That's just stupid. Anybody else, like, think guys would pick Lizzo? Just curious. Anybody? Lizzo?
Some dudes would. You can just say, come on. I mean, my opinion, some guys would. There are some guys that would pick Lizzo because of her status and money. That's just a fact because what else are you? picking Lizzo for like like let's be honest so wasn't she dating an NFL athlete as well yeah so someone of her own caliber may pick her too maybe like a front
That was mad funny. There's so many jokes that could be made from that, but I'm going to let that slide. If you say the NFL player that's her caliber, I can go so many places with that. Shout out to Lizzo. Hey. Would you hit? Hit how? What do you mean? How? It's like not with Hunter. When you smash Lizzo.
Yes. No, but I would only because I could probably get a bag out of her. Like, I'll bang the bag out of her, but, like, out of interest, no. I don't like big girls. You don't like big women? No, I'm not into big girls. Okay. You got to at least be shaky. Like, she's not shaky. I've seen some big girls that got hips and stuff. Shout out to Lizzo. So you would have sexual intercourse with Lizzo? For a bag. What's a bag?
For money. Come on. No, but is it like a thousand? What is, I mean, like, a thousand dollars? Like, bag that only she got. Like, I'm not going to hit her for no $300. Like, she's going to take me shopping. Like, she's going to break me off. She's going to take you shopping. Yeah, she's going to be sugar mama. Where's she taking you to? Whatever I want. Oh, shit. There we go. I'm good. I don't know if I could do it, to be honest. You're a successful guy. You don't need it. You would do it.
I would, no. For $2 million, you wouldn't hit Lizzo. Okay, I'll do it for $2 million. Exactly, exactly. She's not even ugly. She's just not in the best shape. I don't know if I could, like... I'm not, like, I'm average down there, though. Really? Like, I'm kind of average down there, so I don't know if I could, like, get to it, though. I would let my man hit Lizzo for 10 mil. I don't know if I could get, like... There's pills for that. Don't worry.
No, it's not. I just don't even know if I could. Big girl sex is a little different than regular girl sex. You could put it anywhere and it would go in. Is she singing while we're having sex? Yeah, a thousand percent. Shoulder, elbow, any wet crease you can find. straights like you're on a love seat or some shit. For two mil, that's fair. 100,000 shit, 50 bands. That's crazy. Is that masculine?
No, this is hypothetical. It's not massive. It's not. It's not. It's giving. It's giving. It's giving. That's why. And it's also hypothetical. So I'm a little confused. I'm just sitting there. I mean, it sounds good. Let's give a round of applause. She got some points. She got some points on the board. Shout out to you. But like it's hypothetical. In reality, I don't even want to. I just say in reality what I would do. I don't even care about a woman's money in reality. Okay. So.
There you go. Fair enough. Yeah, I don't really care about the career money status, to be honest, though. Yeah, I'll date like a barista, you know? It's like the T.I. video that came out years ago. Shorty was on the fries and he changed her life. You can have whatever you like. Like, we don't care about that shit. But I don't think a woman would do that on the other foot.
I think the catch with women is if you're in tip-top shape, I think women will give you a shot. I've seen women make adjustments for a guy. I think that's the only X factor you can get being broke. If you broke but you built like a tank. She'll pay them bills.
for a little while not forever but she'll definitely say all right let's see what's up what if he's like hung like a rhino that too but i think if he in shape because she got to find that out later because you might be unattractive and have that so i don't know if that really matters but i think if you in shape women will give you a shot regardless of your income is that right ladies
well we know we don't even deal with men i'm talking about y'all y'all y'all y'all would y'all do that i think it's like a preferred preference for someone to be in shape but like that wouldn't be like the determining factor of it you know put like this let me rephrase it You got a broke guy with nobody, and you got a broke guy with a little body. I think y'all will give him a chance. I don't think you're going to just say you're mine, but I think you'll say.
I'll give him the benefit of doubt would you give him just a chance because he's in shape even though he's not financially we want to be but he's in like 100%. It still shows that you value yourself and try to be healthy. I still think that's a good factor of somebody being in shape. It's long-term goals that they're working towards. Yeah, 100%.
Another dating question going around the table. Do you think men who care about body count are insecure, starting with you? I wouldn't necessarily say insecure. But when it's a double standard, the only time I would call insecurity is the double standard. But if there's no double standard, then I would say if like... What do you mean if there's no double standard?
Like to say if a man has like 20 bodies and then I would say like, oh, I have 22. And they're like, now I'm mad. What do you mean? Like, so I feel like if. If there's not a double standard, then no. But if there is, like, I've fucked this many girls, but you couldn't have fucked up, then yes, that's so wrong and they're insecure.
One of the questions in the do you disagree is not hypocritical for men with high body counts to prefer to date low body count or virgin women. I think three or four of you circled you disagree. so you think it is hypocritical uh so that's kind of a different question though so we'll come to that one later uh so it is insecure Depends on the person I ask and their answer, really. Okay.
So essentially you're saying like if the guy also has a low body count and he wants to date the woman with a low body count, fine. I don't find that insecure. That's your standard and that's fine. But then what about, okay, the guy with a high body count, he wants a girl with a low body count. Is that insecure? Yeah. Wait, why? Because you can go out and do it, but your woman couldn't go out and do it? Like, your past doesn't matter, but for some reason my past matters.
That's what I mean. I feel like that's, why are you insecure about my past? But I'm secure about yours. It's whatever. We're going to go on with whatever. I'm vowing to be with you. I'll let everybody respond before I give my response. So what do you think? Are men insecure for caring about?
a woman's body count if it is hypocritical like in that in that situation just uh i mean i'm not so much looking at the hypocritical component i'm more so looking uh are just men whether they have a low body count high body count Are they insecure if they care about a woman's body count? That's like a loaded question because if they do have a low body count and they want someone who also has a low body count.
then that's fine i think but if they have well couldn't they i mean i would even be willing to say that in both scenarios they could both be insecure and they could both not be insecure i want to say to go back then i would say no because that might be just standard but to like when we're going on further questions i'm gonna probably contradict a bit so i would say it would make me like if they if they were interested in me solely based off of that number and nothing else like
Or not interested, you know, depending on. So they liked you, but then they found out your body count. And for them, the body count was too high. Yeah. Would that be insecure? If theirs was significantly higher than mine. I would say that that's insecure, and I would say that it's probably, if they had a bad reaction to that, in my head, what I would be thinking is, wow, they want a virgin girl because they're so bad in bed that they would be insecure that she's had a virgin.
better. That would be my first interpretation of instant anger. That would be my first interpretation if we're having a nice dinner, everything was cool, and then they like... It's a deal breaker for them. Yeah, and it was a deal breaker. That's the only reason that they don't want to pursue you anymore is because of that. Yeah, I would say that in that it would be insecure. I'll let everybody answer on this. Go ahead. I think my answer is pretty similar.
You know, someone asks me what my body count is and then theirs is higher or the same. I feel like that's just a sign of insecurity. Okay. All right. Your thoughts? If it's a deal breaker? No, so is a man insecure if he cares about a woman's body count? No. Okay. Okay, go ahead.
I feel like it's one of those things where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, because either way, the number I don't think is going to make them happy no matter what. They're just going to get jealous no matter what. Even if it's zero?
Well, if it's zero, that's different. I feel like some people actually are. They may not like zero either. Yeah, actually, they might not like zero. I want to say some people actually don't like that. I don't know. I've never had a guy ask my body count. Like, some people don't like that responsibility.
Well, I wouldn't ask a guy because I don't want to know. Yeah. That's what I'm like. Sometimes zero can make someone mad too. I think that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Well, I think let me, I do want to jump in really quick on this.
You said the zero would make a guy mad. It could. I'm not saying all men. Most men would probably like that. But I have met men that did not want to be virgins. Sure. There's probably men that are like that. But I think the men would not like... that she's a virgin because they perhaps perceive that as oh she's a virgin like let's say the guy's angle here is
He wants to have casual sex like he wants to have sex quickly. He doesn't want to wait. So he's probably making this assessment of, OK, she's a virgin. I'm going to have to wait six months. I'm going to have to wait to love whatever it is. I don't think they would really have an issue with it if she was down to fuck immediately. Like, I can't imagine. Oh, oh, she's a virgin and she wants to fuck me once and then that's it. I mean, assuming that's what he wanted to.
I can't imagine. See, the perspective I've always gotten is that they just didn't want to deal with the annoyance of the woman after they took their virginity. That was literally their explanation. It's attachment. It could be both, though. There could be a lot of crazy, promiscuous women. There's a lot of crazy, promiscuous women who, like, I don't understand this whole, like, oh, she's a virgin. She's going to be, like, stage five clinger.
No, I don't think so. But like from who I talked to, that was their assumption. And I'm like, I get it. And you're kind of unforgettable in that person's life. And like, it's kind of valid to say like someone with a zero body count that could make someone. feel insecure about it too i don't want the responsibility of that okay you know sure um going around the table your thoughts are men insecure if they care about the woman's body count no okay your answer to this um
That's a good question. I feel like if it's a deciding factor of dating that person, then yeah. And so should body count matter? Going around just a yes or no really quick. Honestly no. I wouldn't say so. I would say no, but depends on if you're being responsible. Like, does that person have a high body count not using condoms or being safe? Because that would change my perspective on that. I would have to agree with your answer.
So it shouldn't matter. Yeah, it shouldn't matter though. Let's even just grant that no STDs. In a perfect world, no STDs, yeah. Then no. No. So going around the table, you guys said body count shouldn't matter, doesn't matter. What's your body count? Eight. Hold on. Say it again. Eight. Four. I won't tell that number. Did you write it in the...
No, I did not. Do you want to give us a range? No, I do not. Is it more than 100? I will not say. Is it more than 1,000? I'm not telling you. It's over 9,000! You didn't write it here, right? You're not going to be a little trickster? I have to look for it or whatever? Not lying. Okay. Wait. No, that's not me. Okay. Under 30?
Well, you said under 50. Yeah, and then I'm like under 30, I'm pretty sure. But over... Over 10, for sure. You said over 20. For sure. Yeah, over 20, under 30. Okay, over... Over 20? Under 30. Under 50. Yeah, sure. I put NA because I don't know. I'm not someone that really writes down people's names and stuff. I know people do that to keep track, so I don't have a guess. You put N-A? I think so. Is that what you... Wait. Sorry. What about you? Four. Thank you, girly.
uh that's just for me and the man above i feel like i don't want the whole world to know that number you want to give us a range it's under 10. okay wait and so you forgot not that i forgot i just I don't count every single one, so I don't know what the number is. Wait, you don't count every single one? No, not off the top of my head, no.
Is there a range? What's your body count? Hey, hold on, bro. Hey, hey. How you gonna skip me for the other question and come to me for that one? I ain't gonna answer none of them other ones. Hey, well, I let you go. Now you're back. You're back now. I'm definitely like... Under 50. Definitely under 50. Yeah, that's all I got, bro.
I'm under 50. Tall guy, right? I mean, but I like this. When I find a good thing, I like to keep it around. That's fair. You know what I'm saying? I like to keep going back to the well. You know what I'm saying? So let's start. Let's start. Definitely don't want to go back in the desert. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Yeah, I like that. Here's the thing, right? If your body count was three, you don't just forget the three bodies. When you start forgetting, I feel like that's 20 plus.
No, not that I forget, it's just I don't count a lot of them that maybe would count. Because I've had serious relationships for the past, you know, eight years. So I couldn't guess what mine is because... How many serious relationships have you had? Three. Three. Okay, so it's at least three. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, give me that number. Okay. Can I answer the body, did the body count matter question? Yeah, yeah, of course. I think it does matter, but I don't ask women for it. Because I'm just like.
I don't believe you. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I'm not about to sit here and say, oh, really? You just had three? Like, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't even care. But does it matter? It does matter, I think, on a biological level. Maybe not an emotional level. Maybe not a political level. But...
I think I've read a study recently where they said when a woman has about two to ten partners, her ability to bond with a man decreased by 40%. So me personally, I think that's true because I see women. I think the more women have experiences, it kind of get hard to...
Because they take on the energy of these men. But don't men too? I want to say, is there like a study for men? I mean, I think. I want to know the other side. You see how it's one side, you see how it's the other side. And men are putting their energy into women. All right, all right, all right. I don't think. It's an exchange of. It is, but you're actually receiving. The man is actually giving. Now maybe he's an over-giver.
But I'd rather be an over-giver than an over-receiver physically. What if you're an over-receiver? Exactly. That's what I'm saying. You're receiving because you're taking on the energy of the man. The man is really giving you his energy. So, for example, now make you laugh all you want. So feminine energy just doesn't exist.
I didn't say it don't exist. During sex, though, because women can't transfer their energy? I'm just saying, man. If you're being penetrated, if a man got three women, right, and he's dealing with all three of them, they're becoming more like him. If a woman is dealing with three men, she's becoming like them.
It's the difference between becoming like them and becoming like him. It's all going to a point. Women who are promiscuous a lot of times have a lot of mental issues, in my opinion. But I don't even ask. Same with men. Same with men. Possibly. It's not possibly. That is a statistic. I couldn't tell you why. The more educated you are, the more likely you are to have more sexual partners. I don't even ask women about their body count. But I do think that a woman with multiple bodies...
I'm more concerned with the type of guy she was with. I think the type of guy she was with previously, to me personally, means more to me because, for example, she was with seven good guys and she was with one... Former criminal. That one dude will have way more impact on her than the seven.
Church boys she dated. Same with the guys getting with strippers and stuff. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I agree. You know what I'm saying? Because you think every woman is just this wild, sexual, crazed demon. It's like every woman is not like that. But I just feel like biologically, I think it affects women more. affect men? Yes it does. I just think it affects women more.
I want to say, I feel like men are able to, I mean, like women kind of have to learn how to play the game. Men just kind of do it. We can compartmentalize. Like we can catch a body and keep it pushing. Like they've been doing it since young. Like I had to learn how to like, you know, turn off the feelings. Well, I think men definitely have higher body counts. Yeah. Yeah. Way, way higher. You'd be surprised.
I think it's mechanical. More mechanical for men. I think these days women are becoming more... We're becoming more masculine. I think women now can just have sex with you and keep it pushing. I think now, today, more than ever, I will concede to that. Hell yeah. And a lot more women are celibate as well. We have this in between celibate women and not celibate.
I know a lot of celibate women. More than a lot of celibate women. Yeah, they celibate. They sell a little bit. They got a price. Not all of them, but you'd be surprised. Who are these women? Come on, man. Stop acting like you don't know what's going on, man. Who are these men that'll see you in the woods and just attack you? Who are they? I don't know. And you got a point. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know, I guess they from the same place, make believe land. Exactly, they both from the same place, Disneyland, I don't know. But yo, you say you an actor? Yeah. You're an excellent actor. I'm not saying that you're fake. No, no, no. What I'm saying is your decorum in the midst of...
heated conversations is excellent. You know what I'm saying? So I know that you can kill a role, so I'm looking forward to see you blow up. So that's good. Yeah, because I had conversations with a lot of women. People were really picking on you. I wouldn't say we were picking on them.
every time but you handle it though I've been on a lot of panels with even men that can't handle it so the way you was able to stand in the grace of fire like you're gonna be a dope actor so that's dope all of y'all got pretty good decorals you know pretty good You know what I'm saying? The future looks bright because I heard some young women with some sound minds. So, you know, I'm optimistic for the future. I got a daughter, you know.
I love how the comments, though, when we first began this were like, all these classy women, blah, blah. And then it was like these hate comments. I hate the trolls, man. I hate the trolls. The trolls, oh my gosh. The trolls, the commoners could be extreme. I deal with the same thing on my own channel. Same. I had a show where I had a guy that, he advocates marriage.
So all the dudes was mad at me because I was like, hey, I understand. Because there's men that just say, you know, women are terrible. And I think you should get your passport moved. Okay. But if there's men that's saying, hey, I'm a married man, I have a successful marriage, and I'm speaking towards people who still want that, there's nothing wrong with that. And a lot of men got mad at him. I'm like, how can you get mad at a man who has a wife?
What else should he speak towards? And he's trying to help other people get married. He's talking to people who wants what he has. Like, two worlds can exist. I think the extremism gets crazy. Why do you think men don't like women? Because obviously women don't like men for the reasons that I like women. I love women. But you were saying that one guy, you were saying those guys say they don't. No, but these guys, these YouTube guys, a lot of times you don't know what they look like.
You don't know who's behind that screen. They're all Kick it, Chad. Yeah, so sometimes, you know, I hate to be vain, but sometimes you have a scene, you can hear somebody have an attitude or hear their talking points, and then when you actually see them, it's like, oh, I know why you mad. You know what I'm saying? So it's like a lot of these dudes and these trolls and women.
They have a lot of personal gripes. They don't like themselves. They don't like how they look. So they can really get off their little animus in these little chats in these panels. So I don't even take the Trolls series like that. They be miserable. Sorry for the delay on... Sorry, Mythic, for the delay. Thank you, man. Thank you, Brian and Andrew, for all the insight. First time donating. Thank you, bro. Five four inches, 30-year-old male virgin here.
With all the female high expectations, should I still look for a wife? Damn. Maybe we gotta get you on the show, Mythic. And he sent it in twice, bro. Hold on. Thank you for the TTS, man. I really appreciate it. We'll give you advice here in just a second. You sent it in twice. Mythic Typhoon donated $200. Thank you, Brian and Andrew, for all the insights. Thank you.
First time donating. Five four inches male virgin here. With all the female expectations, is there really any point in trying to continue to find a wife? Bro, you gotta find yourself a 4'11 woman. Get yourself a little shorty. Not an American. Legally a dwarf. Maybe 4'9". I think it has to be 4'10", 4'9". Gets you into legal dwarf territory. You got to date shorter, brother.
And you got to level up all the dimensions. Look, you're dealt the hands you're dealt. You got to just level up. You got to min-max all the dimensions. Get your money right. Get fit. Get shredded. that's what you got to do. But yeah, it's going to be tough. That's tough. I should, maybe he, shoot me a DM on Instagram and it would, I might start bringing in, oh boy, I'm going to get like a billion fucking DMs. You said it. I don't know if I should say it. You said it.
I might occasionally bring on like a guy here and there, you know, so we'll see. But send me a DM on Instagram. I'll talk to you. Thank you, Mythic Typhoon. Appreciate it, bro. Oh, but he wants advice to find a wife. You could become a passport bro, dude. That's his best bet. There's Land America. Be careful. She's a passport, bro. I am not. You are dating a Colombian... Wait. Yes. Colombian woman.
That doesn't make me a passport, bro. They go specifically to look for wives. What? They go specifically to look for a girlfriend. I know why you were there. I didn't specifically go for that. So, okay. And Asia. Asia's also good for the Passport Bros. If you want to find... And they tend to be a bit shorter. Also, the Latina women on the shorter side. Ah, fool's crazy, though. I've got a friend. She's 4'9". Oh, yeah? Single. But I'm pretty sure what type of height she want, though.
taller than her you know oh shit okay mythic typhoon her name's pam like pam pam that's rough i know no i love her she's my bestie like only a little better than karen yeah pam Oh, Pamela. I mean, it is like the office, though. It's kind of. Has she found her gym?
No. No, I'm her gym, basically. Oh, okay. All right, let's see here. What do we have? Mythic Typhoon, though. Thank you for the TTS, man. Let's see here. We were talking about... let's see oh the body count thing you kind of already went into that oh the hypocritical thing yeah so I actually don't think that there's and this is also a question here I don't think there's anything wrong with A guy who has a high body count preferring to date a woman with a low body count or even a virgin. I can't.
actually think of any why that would be like wrong or even hypocritical i guess not that's just their standard because i could say the same thing a woman with a high body count just wants a man with low body count and if that's okay for but if that's i guess that I mean, it's just our standard. It is what is. Yeah. But not that I agree, but it just is what is. Because I feel like that's just standard that someone might have. I don't think it's hypocritical, though.
Like it might be hypocritical if he's like these fuck like if he was talking shit about high body count women and then he was like one sleeping with a bunch of women contributing to said problem and then two he has a high body count himself he's talking shit about them like he's like oh this behavior is like abhorrent blah blah blah blah blah but he's still like continuing to just like have
string uh one after the other one night stand one night stand one night i can't wait yourself but if you value your woman that much you need to value yourself that much and like it's the golden rule you learn it when you're five years old treat people the way you want to be treated if you're going around fucking everyone Treat people how you want to be treated. How about this scenario? The guy is 30 years old.
And he's had some long-term relationships. He's had some one night stands here. His body count is 30, which I think most people would say, yeah, it's a bit on the high side. So, but he's like, well, I, despite my body count being 30, I don't want to date a woman who has a body count of 30. I'd much rather date a woman who's got a body count of like three or less or virgin. Is she younger?
because then that would well that gets into age gap stuff but like let's just I mean say she's three years younger than them Because I feel like if he's older, it is inevitable for him. Like, he's going to have more experience. He lived on the earth longer. He's going to have a higher body count. Because he lived on the earth longer. Then I feel like that's valid. You're going to have, you know, as you...
age you're going to accrue more sexual relationships typically but i just feel like if that's what you want out of the world you're not going to treat yourself like that what do you mean i actually don't think that's the case at all like a guy who's had sexual experiences
even through his own sexual experiences could come to some conclusion or determination that like it seems to be like he starts noticing patterns and he's like these women who have like body counts similar to mine they are less faithful They're not as high quality as these women who happen to have low body counts.
Why is it more respectful for a man to realize that at 30, but for a woman, you already caught 30 bodies, so you're just done for. You know what I'm saying? Why is it more respectful for a man to do that, but a woman couldn't change the same way? things so first i don't think promiscuity is good in either gender like i'm not yeah like 100 like same like 100 yeah i'm not saying like because there is this common i guess uh response to this
my position is like, well, why is it okay for men? Like, I actually don't think it's good for men or women to be promiscuous. I don't think I wouldn't encourage it. I do think there are some differences though when it comes to this. But so, sorry, your question was...
Can you repeat your... So, like, say that I'm also, like, I turned 30 and I'm like, wow, the men I'm dealing with, they're crappy. I don't want to sleep around anymore. I want to deal with a man that has less body count. So, I feel like... Yeah, you can do that. But does your stance still stay the same?
Well, it wouldn't be a double standard insofar as a woman who, say she racked up a body count of 30, and she's like, oh, I want to go and date a guy with a low body count. Is your stance still the same? No, she can do it. No objections whatsoever. I do think there's still a difference then. I think women are...
They tend to care less about body count. They seem to be more forgiving of men who have a path to promiscuity. And also, I think there is a differential here. So this kind of ties into something else here on this list. basically any woman has the capacity to be a slut. Yeah.
like any woman if she wanted to even if she's unattractive could go like fuck 100 dudes in a year if she wanted to most women probably don't want to do that but like they can so because sex is harder to get for men what you're gonna end up have happen or seeing is that like women who are just undesirable they can still like get sexual access from men but men who are under undesirable to women they typically don't have that same level of sexual access to women so men who can get laid
a lot are just going to be like kind of across the board deemed as attractive whether that's physically attractive whether they have riz or game or they can elicit the click or the vibe Because a lot of men can't like elicit because some men like they're nervous on first dates. Like most of you are probably not going to feel the click with a guy who's like kind of like his eye contact is shit and he's fumbling and his voice is shaking a little bit. He's not going to get.
you the click or the vibe or the chemistry i guarantee you that so um the men that are capable of illicit and these are typically players right like most players they can get you they can get the chemistry from you they can get the click the vibe whatever um because they've done with a bunch of other women that's how they got sex from all these other women so these men who are like super attractive
in one metric or the other, whether they're good looking, they have status, maybe they're rich, whatever it is. Women don't need any of these other components to have sex. Like a woman could actually be physically unattractive and like fuck a hundred dudes in a year. And you got a point. It's not a lot. You do have a point. Yeah. So I think the difference here is, is that like when it comes to the assessment of a partner, men are going to look at a woman.
and like she could have a high body count but like a woman who has a high body count doesn't necessarily correspond with her being like like surface level attractive And I'm not even talking physically attractive, but like a terrible bitchy woman can go fuck a hundred dudes, but like... Actually, well, I can maybe make the same, like, scumbag dudes can also, like, get pussy, so I don't know. Maybe that's not the best argument. But in any case, like, hmm.
I know there's like a stronger steel man to my position, but I can't. It's not coming to my brain. I mean, women like men who women, women like men who get women.
That's what attracts them. But we don't like when they brag about their body count, especially if it's high. No, we probably don't. But at the same time, it's a million women going to Chris Brown concert knowing damn well he's not picking them. And they still take a thousand, spend a thousand dollars, take a picture with them. So they know he has other women.
I know he's messed with other women and they're still drawn to them because they're kind of turned on by that. Because sometimes I've heard women say, well, if nobody else wants you, why should I? So it's kind of like.
It's kind of like a little catchy because it's a little funny. It can go either way. But women really like a man because it's a skill set. Getting women is a skill set. Getting men doesn't require anything. You just got to be there. So to get multiple women, I have to be witty. I have to be true.
Charismatic. Fake job. I got to, you know, do a little thing like he said. You don't have to do nothing to get men. Men have to have certain attributes to get women, which oftentimes those attributes are attractive to women.
yeah like the the skill set required from a guy or just like whatever maybe it's status or whatever like the the requisite skill set for a man to get laid in order to like get that high body count is like has to be something whereas women you can just show up honestly i did circle a question that said that it's it's um easier for girls to go on dates than men so or not i didn't circle it
so yeah i guess i agree with that 100 but yeah no it's like like any of you women here could like if you wanted to you guys could go have sex with like 100 dudes in the next month every single woman at this table let me ask you okay let me ask do you think you could like if you want you wanted to you're like i want to have sex with 100 men in the next 30 days you think you could do it
I mean, if I wanted to. If you wanted to. I know I could, but that wouldn't. Right. Yeah. Like, the amount of men, like, if you were to pull men and be like, in the next 30 days, do you think you can fuck 100 women? No. I think I know some men. Unless they're rich with some status. A regular dude can't do that. A regular woman working at Burger King can't do that. Yeah, the average person. I would argue even like a below average.
looking woman she can do it we've had them on the show elite men can possibly do that yeah so like the when it comes to like the getting laid thing you use a great word there elite so like the sexual optionality that even the average or below average woman has is comparable the sexual pull that you have is comparable to As a guy to get that same amount, you have to be an A-list celebrity. You have to be a professional athlete, like a musician, like top tier musician, famous, like.
insane status, insane something or other. And if you look at it, Even those guys who are famous and have the pick of the litter, they often just end up dealing with the same girls that somebody else dealt with. Like you see these girls go from future to this. So even the elite men are having obviously trouble because if you.
If you're a rich man and you can have any woman in the world and you only seem to get Drake's ex or Chris Brown's ex, they're even having trouble doing it, obviously, because that doesn't make sense to me. If you can have access to the world, why do you want the ex of somebody who's in you? in your field, in your craft. So even elite men who make money still can't just get what they want. So they even have it worse than a woman who ain't got nothing.
Go figure. So what I was going to say, it's not necessarily that I was kind of thinking about. It's not necessarily hypocritical. Well, I mean, I think that it's hypocritical, but... If we're not arguing hypocritical for a high body count guy to want a low body count girl, my issue with it and my experience personally is that I will have gone on a date with a guy.
And he will say, what's your body count? And I say it and he gets excited and he doesn't get excited because he genuinely cares about me, likes my interests, anything like that. He was like, oh, you know, like in the past, it would be like, oh, she has like one or two.
meanwhile he has 20 or 30 and he views it I feel like more as like a purity thing and it's like it kind of gives me personally the ick oh boy okay because because because I think that someone you know having a high or low body count I don't think I'm any more or less pure than someone who has you know a higher or low body count you know your sexual purity would be less pure
For me personally, I don't want someone, I guess, who looks at my amount and is like, oh, well, I want to be with her because she's less experienced than me. if a guy previously would have gone and like asked me out and we went on a date and he asked me that question
I like immediately shut it down. I'm like, this isn't going to work because you asked that question. And like the very first time that I never felt that was with my current partner. So like everyone has different preferences of what they want and maybe it's hypocritical or not hypocritical, but. I think that there is this kind of like there's so many guys that are getting with girls
And they are having these high body counts, but then girls are expected to be completely pure, like snow. And it's kind of like, why? Not pure, but purer. For me, I just don't, I guess I don't understand why, like why they would want that. Because we're men and we know that other men's energy is still, I've even seen a study where.
If a woman is pregnant, like if a woman had unprotected sex with men and they didn't ejaculate or whatever, that DNA even affects the child you have with her. So it's, yeah, look it up. Like, the DNA of other men are in the child. that they have with the woman so it's a huge thing when it when it comes to men and women like i said we keep these conversations real emotional but scientifically it's just it's just different it's like if you got a cup of water
If one person put their finger in it, you might take a sip. But if I put my finger in it, she put her finger in it, she put her finger in it, you're not drinking that water. I know, but if your cup of water that you drink already, like...
has a ton of fingers that have been in it. But then you want a new cup of water. I guess my issue... I'm the cup. You can just wash the cup off. The water is the water. I guess my issue with... it comes down to some girls are fine and they they they like view lower body counts for themselves as like purity and that's what they want and they want like a guy who has you know who who
likes that and that's fine and that's great and all but like I guess I guess what I'm saying is what what is the motivation for a guy to, like, I guess look down on a girl for that when he's done the same exact thing? Like, I know you guys explained it, but I still don't necessarily understand. I mean, because some stuff, because you're not a man, so we're telling you what it is. it's not stopping us from bonding with her having sex with multiple men
will prevent you from bonding. I've seen it with my own eyes. Women who come out of the sex world, come out of the porn life, they'd be crazy. It'd be hard for them to attach themselves because they've desensitized something that is... Highly valuable a woman's sexuality is very powerful that that is her not to limit her to just sex But it's a powerful thing like you can a life comes out of you
So to just let anybody come in there over and over and over and over and over and over, that's going to just affect the ability to pair with the man. And when I've met women with high body counts, they're very argumentative. They're very, they like to debate. They're not the most.
agreeable women. They're hard to bond with because you're literally dealing with the men in them. It's like those men are still in them. They're all over the place. They're confused. Like I said, one man with multiple women, they're becoming more So it's coming to a point. It's like the bottom of the pyramid as opposed to the top. The top comes to a point. The bottom is very broad. So the woman who has a lot of men, she's the broad bottom.
the men that is dealing with multiple women he's the top so they're all getting like me but if you're dealing with multiple men you're just Like them, a master of – a jack of trades is a master of none. So it's the difference. If it's easier for women to get laid, though, then wouldn't they have higher body counts just because of the – They kind of do, though. But the fact that she... It'd be easier for them to... But that's why it says a lot about a woman who doesn't do that.
Because if it's easy for you to just get any man and you choose not to do that, that says a lot about you as a woman, which makes you what? More attractive. Because that means you're showing decorum. That means you're showing self-control. Even a woman who... is being respectful in today's time because everything about today's time is more advocating for women to be sassy and talk back and all that. So to me, beauty is a responsibility, not a bargaining chip. But then are men trying to get...
high body counts, like for practice essentially? Is that what you're saying? No, I don't think they try to, I don't think it's a, I don't think we do it on purpose. I think it just, it happens because as a man, some women are just, Give it up easy. And a lot of times, women be starting that sexual activity. I've had women get mad at me because I wasn't trying to have sex with them. They thought I was weird. I'm like, no, I really was just trying to get to know you.
It's definitely men, though, that are the chasers that are pursuing. That's what I'm saying. We're pursuing. Exactly. So if you're constantly pursued by multiple men and you're able to deny that, that says a lot about you as a woman. That means you're a dope woman because you could easily just acquiesce to that and you're like nah, so that says more about you a man
He at least acquires some type of skill by getting these type of women. He has to be a little charming. Yeah, he has to be a little charming. You can't just be any kind of guy and get women. You got to know how to talk. You got to know how to dress. You got to know how to make a laugh. So even though it's not great, like he said.
Nobody should be promiscuous. But there's a skill set that's learned by men by dealing with multiple women. What are women learning by getting multiple men? Nothing. She's just lowering her value, in my opinion. What if she's, like, crazy, incredible in bed? She's had, like, so many experiences. So she's a porn star. Be that. Yeah. All right, great. Nobody wants to marry that, though. Maybe Adam 22. Huh? Wait. Okay, so a couple things here.
So you made it you raised a couple interesting points previously, but like you said, OK, well, what does a woman gain? She will you know, if she has more sexual experiences. higher body count she gets better in bed i mean my counter to this would be well a woman could have like 20 one night stands with 20 different men but she only slept with them once whereas she could have like
maybe one two three long-term partners and she's had sex with like all of them a hundred times and so like i would i would argue that the woman who's had like sex multiple times with like the same one two or three partners is likely to be better sexually than her like more hyper promiscuous uh
I mean, even if we like pair it off, even if it's like a one-to-one. So here's the scenario. A girl has a boyfriend and she slept with him a hundred times and that was her only body versus a woman who slept with a hundred different men one time each. I'm still kind of prepared to say that the girl with the boyfriend probably still better in bed. It's a little gray, but in any case, I'm still prepared. That's probably not a scenario that's really going to manifest itself.
uh as as frequently so what you find in promiscuous promiscuous women is oftentimes they don't have like prolonged sexual experiences with men they'll have one night stands uh the man honestly is probably not going to give her any feedback in these situations because he doesn't care whereas like a boyfriend might try to guide her might say oh this is what I like this is what I don't like in a
promiscuous one night stand casual encounter most people are not going to like actually voice like oh hey I like it when you do this or I like it when you do that so I think that's one component there but then also even if a woman is bad in bed i'll just grant you like you you're dating a virgin and uh one i don't even think she would be bad in bed but like if you're the guy in this scenario and he you do have experience as the guy uh If you know how to lead.
You can have good sex with a girl who's had no sexual experience I don't know if you can say the same thing about Like a woman who's like dealing with a new like do you really want to teach a guy how to fuck you? Probably not It's gonna be a turnoff for most women unless you're more dominant or whatever
the bedroom but if you're a bit more submissive in the bedroom as a woman and the guy's the leader and most divergent women are probably going to defer to your leadership when it comes to sexual activity because she lacks experience uh and you know how to lead in the bedroom i'm pretty sure you can
You just tell her what to do. Here's what I like. I think you're going to have a pretty stellar sexual experience with her despite her being a virgin. And I want to add this real quick. I think the woman having a skill set in sex is an overrated narrative. You ain't got to really do shit. Men are the ones who really got to do all the work. What do you really have to do to have good sex? A woman just has to be, in my opinion, receptive.
A little flexible. Enthusiastic. And just, you know, have the right attitude. She don't have to do a lot of shit. You know what I mean? So this good sex, what does that mean? Like, good sex means it's wet and you can handle it.
You don't have to do nothing. I'm working. I have to really know what I'm doing. I got to really know how to hit your shit. A woman ain't got to do that. That riding shit y'all think y'all doing, we only give a fuck about that shit. Yeah, all that crazy shit. We don't care. That crazy shit. I got something on this, though. I 100% agree. with you as long as she's like enthusiastic about it and she's a good sport and she's open-minded that's all it takes and receptive yeah and and on that note
Which is better for y'all. There is, I think, a differential between what it takes to be good in bed between a man and a woman. And so I think just the actual... how do i properly articulate this like the actual physical act of sex i think it's typically going to be like in terms of it being pleasurable for the man versus the woman i think it's much more like like actually physically intensive and demanding for the man versus the woman in terms of like so for example uh okay
I know you probably don't like this, but if the girl is just laying there, or let's say a girl's just in doggy style and she's not moving at all, can you bring yourself to climax? Abso-fucking-lutely. Now... I would argue because of the difference in orgasm response between men and women. So if we are standing up and you put yourself in doggy position.
And you don't get anything from us. You just get a hard on. And we'll stay hard. We'll stay hard. And we won't, like, premature ejaculate, whatever the fuck. I don't know where I'm... Okay. Can... Question for you. Can you guys bring yourself... You can't use your hands. Just through penetrative sex. Can you guys bring yourself to climax? If the guy's doing nothing. No. Sometimes.
Some women can. Some women can. A lot can't, though. No, some women can. It depends on the position, I think, is the biggest thing. The position is the biggest thing. Okay, I don't know. Whatever. It depends on your enthusiasm to yourself. It'd be rioting. Y'all get off on that, but we hate that shit. Like, rioting does nothing for us. Not everyone. Wait, you don't like a girl on top? Listen, let me tell you. Listen, listen, listen. I said it for me. I mean I mean it's two types of writing
You got women who do this fake grind thing where they just folding and bending your shit around. Bending your shit. They think that does something. That does something for them. That don't do shit for me. Now, if you're riding me and you know how to ride, which most women I've met don't know how to do when you're actually going.
Going up and down. I hate to get graphic. But you said we don't have to know how. No, you don't. But I'm talking about in the position where you're doing the work and you're getting pleased. So that's a riding position. That's the position where the woman does the most work. Right, ladies? Mm-hmm.
That's the position. So in that position, a woman can get pleasure without the man doing anything. So if we're talking about a position that requires no effort from the man, that's the riding position. We're on the same page? Okay. So since we're on that position. That grinding, grinding shit they be doing, it does absolutely nothing for a man. Your shit is not supposed to go sideways. But that's what it does when she's...
What kind of sex are you having bro? When a woman is grinding and winding on you, your shit is going like this. It's not in one position. What are you talking about? So y'all never grind? Y'all never got on? Like, come on, man. Well, you only have four bodies. No, you don't have to do anything, remember? So now you're trying to shame me for having to go. I'm not shaming you, sweetheart. But you don't have to.
I said you only have four bodies. That means you don't have a lot of experience. But how is that shaming you? But how is that shaming you? I never knocked you for it. Okay, I'm gonna let you have it. Because I'm talking about stuff. Hold on, let me, hold on. Why are you yelling? You want to have more bodies? So you can't... We're talking about a position that people who have sex are familiar with because they do it often.
If you listen, you'll learn something. If you can be quiet. This shit ain't rocket science. Why you being so defensive? You're the one who brought up We have four bodies. You guys should dig. No, we should not. Absolutely. You don't like what you see? You don't like what you see? Come on. I don't give a fuck. Why are we bringing up people's bodies in a conversation? Because you're not listening to the context. You're just being emotional.
We're not saying because you don't have sex you can't have an opinion. Get out your feelings sweetheart. I'm not doing that. We're grown. You're here. You're invited here. So you have a great place to talk. What I'm talking about is, I'm not an actor, so I'm not going to have that much to say about acting. That doesn't mean she's demeaning me by saying that. I don't have the experience. Get over yourself. What I'm talking about is, when you're having sex, I've had sex with multiple women.
A lot of women, they like to get on top of you and grind. Women that have sex Multiple, even you. Don't put me in none of the shit that you got going on. Just say what you gotta say and leave me out of it. Go ahead, continue. Anyway, when you have sex with a man, women, have you ever got on top of a man and grind it? Have you grinded on a man when you're riding him? Ladies, yes or no? Have you done that before?
I like the girl to be on top, but I want to do all the work. I'm just saying, ladies, have y'all done that before? Have you got on top of a man and started grinding on him? As opposed to going up and down. Have you done that before? You do a little bit of both. Have you done it before? Oh, I know what you're talking about. Thank you. I'm not talking rocket science, bro. I know what he's talking about. But I feel like girls already know that this motion, without it picking up, is not doing it.
anything yeah we know okay so so back to the point so which but you brought up a position where she said she can get off without demand it happens to be a position where we don't feel anything So the position that we actually get off on, you do too. But the position that you get off on... Only you get off on. So when I brought up the body count, it wasn't to dismiss her. It's because maybe you didn't have as many experiences, which is a great thing.
So it's not knocking you for that. That's good. You have a level of purity. My issue is we don't even need you to have a high skill set to have sex. So your body count don't even fucking matter for sex to be good from a man's perspective. You just have to be available. and willing and we most of the time will do the rest okay what the fuck is so controversial about that so what i was that kind of goes to the point that i was trying to make though is that
Isn't that kind of reduced? Because like when you're dating, you want them to be your life partner. That's the end goal, right? I would say for most people who are dating, they want at the end of the day. There's like a placeholder. Say for later. We're hypothetical. She's right. We're following. Hypothetical, you want it to be your life partner and you want it to be your best friend. You want to marry your best friend. At least that's how I feel a lot of people feel. That's how I feel. Sure.
That being said, there's such a high like pressure of like body counts. And I feel like there's this weird, almost like fetishized. like purity thing that you that you it's not okay not weird sorry not no it's valid you think it's okay you think it's okay no it's okay sorry sorry you know but for me personally i feel like isn't that kind of Like, can you see the perspective of women?
When that's kind of reducing them down to, oh, well, I want to be with them versus I don't want to be with them because of this purity. And you should want them as a person, right? You should fall in love with them as a person. Let me ask you a question. Do you acknowledge that, like, I would argue a majority of women, so when I say majority, I mean 51% or more. I would argue 51% or more of women would not date a guy if...
he was shorter than her. Would you agree with that? You think 51%? Yeah, I think a majority of women would not date a man who's shorter than her. Most women prefer to date taller men. Do you think that's a fair statement? I don't know. Is that an actual statistic? Is that a statistic? It's backed up by findings on dating apps. I think it's true. I would say I dated a short guy for three years and I got made fun of for it.
That was my long relationship. Right. But so look, but again, I'm talking about majority here. So do some women date shorter men? Yes. Do some women not care about height? Absolutely. Yes. But so it's just like, why are women allowed to have like XYZ preference like y'all have and you guys also who's pick your men or women women
Who's pickier? It depends. It depends. It depends on the individual. I want to say, but it depends on the situation. Are they dating? Are they just fucking? Generally, generally speaking, who's pickier men or women?
Women. Yeah, maybe. So women have XYZ standard, XYZ preference, XYZ boundary. And so it's... that's what's confusing to me like you're saying well why is this small little actually your past promiscuity is like really important and it's one like men don't really ask for much but like the things we do care about tend to like matter a whole bunch so
I don't understand like why you're trying to diminish like a male preference when it comes to dating. Like, yeah, I think your promiscuity and I can get into some of the reasons why, but I think it's actually super important. Okay. I'm not trying to diminish it as your preference personally. I guess I am concerned with why so many men. It's like an epidemic of men. Yeah, I'll answer it.
And also, it's not that someone prefers, like, you guys stated plenty of good reasons why you would value someone who has a lower body count. But what I'm talking about is the... Fetis... fetishizing? Fetishizing?
of like, it's almost like innocence. Like, I guess the reason why I feel like it gives me an ick, and, you know, I've talked a lot with my other girlfriends about this, is because it gives this illusion that you're a child, almost. Like, you've had so you've had so little like experiences that like it almost gives you an ick if a guy is turned on by that and that's what like me and some of my girlfriend's experiences are of like what we view when a guy says that so i guess just so
clear are you having trouble comprehending an adult woman staying a virgin past the age of 18 no i'm not i'm not i have no like issue with that it's more the guy's perspective of like why that's so but you're you're trying to pathologize like sort of an one and innate evolutionary and biological preference of men also it actually makes sense intellectually if you think about it but um let me ask you a question uh what do you object to more a man who is
who's 30 who dates a 30 year old virgin because you think this is reminiscent of like a woman being a child or a man who's 30 who dates an 18 year old what's more objectionable to you A 30 year old man who dates a 30 year old woman who's a virgin versus a 30 year old man who dates an 18 year old, I should have added this, dates an 18 year old who's slept with 10 men. What's more objectionable to you? I would say, is he dating the 30-year-old because...
he genuinely likes her as a person? He likes both of them as a person. Okay. But what I'm saying is would he date the 30 year old over that because of the body count? That's when I feel like it becomes like a weird situation. But I still feel like if he slept the 18-year-old, that is weird to me. Well, we can get into the age gap stuff here in a bit. Yeah, I can. So, hold on. It's more objectionable? I don't... I think it just...
It seems like infantizing, I guess. You mean? No, I know what you're saying. You know what I'm trying to say. Infantilizing. Yes, that word. But you acknowledge that there are women in their mid to late 20s who are virgins. Yes, but are they staying? virgins because of the same reason that guys are wanting virgins. I guess it's the motivation. What motivation? I think you're thinking for us. We're telling you why men want it. It has nothing to do with keeping you as a child. It's just that...
There's a psychological aspect to women dealing with multiple men. We don't want to deal with that. We're not trying to control the fact that you've been with another guy and we're jealous. No, there's mental effects to women who've been with multiple men. It's not about we want you to be like a child. We're telling you right now what it is. It's the mental side effect of her inability to.
to pair bond after a certain time. Are there women, I'm sorry, are there women that are more evolved mentally who can thwart that? Absolutely. Are they the majority? No. We have a chat here coming in. Oh boy, okay. These girls have had so much love sausage that they're... Vagine and arseholes are combined. What the fuck? Just blank faces reminiscing about one day. What the fuck? Oh, come on. I can't read that part. Thank you. Thank you, Hunter Biden. That's great. Hunter Biden. Appreciate it.
To add on to what he says, I said I was going to get into it, but I didn't. So when it comes to why men care about body count, there's... quite a few different reasons um one is the std component right and this is actually something that's ingrained in both men and women so like obviously we want to avoid like something that could negatively impact our health there's obviously in addition to that there's an
intellectual level here. When it comes to STDs, there's a social stigma that's attached to this. It's going to be harder to probably find it. Like imagine if you have to like disclose, by the way, if somebody.
you have to disclose you have herpes to like, are they going to walk away from you at that point? Yeah. You're going to have a more difficult time, like securing a partner because of this. So like the STD component is a big thing that's on the intellectual level, but on the evolutionary level, this is something that exists in men.
that doesn't exist in women and here's why so uh well there's a couple things so uh as a woman it comes down to i don't know if you've heard this term paternity uncertainty so as a woman if you have a child Like you birth the child, there's no doubt that the child is yours. Like there's no, oh, my husband cheated on me. Is it my, no, like.
whoever put it like it's your kid no matter what whoever you sleep with as a man since you guys are the ones who give birth there's no way for us to know if the child is ours And so, and you might say, well, okay, there's DNA tests. Yeah, but that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands of years of evolution where DNA tests were not available. So a woman who sleeps with another man...
And let's assume that we sleep with the same woman at the same time. You go back, I don't know, 70 years, and say a woman sleeps with three men at the same time, they all... You know what I'm saying. No way to tell who the father is. And then, so it comes down to like, okay.
Am I going to get tricked into raising a child that's not mine? Am I going to invest my resources to raise a child? Because the gene is selfish. We want to... survive and replicate we want to be able to have children have offspring and so like it is one of the biggest L's a guy can take in his life to
raise a child that he thinks is his, but isn't. So men have like a massive disgust response. Women have it too, but like to a lesser degree, men have a huge disgust response when it comes to promiscuity in women.
because of this one thing and it's just evolutionary i know there's dna tests but it doesn't like for example when it comes to uh who here has like has anxiety or has a panic attack right so like we have you can go see a psychologist and they can explain to you oh this is fight or flight response um they can actually like they can prescribe you medication uh they can explain to you oh there's not actually like a tiger that's about to kill you but you still get that adrenaline dump
And then you're having like a panic attack or like anxiety. So even having an intellectual understanding of why you're like having things, it can actually help a little bit when it comes to anxiety. Like if you understand what's going on, but like it doesn't.
necessarily prevent people who suffer from like anxiety disorder panic attack disorder doesn't necessarily like oh I can intellectualize why I'm having the panic attack my panic attack disorder is now solved it's that typically for some people that can resolve there The disorder for most, they're going to need further intervention, other sorts of things. But so because of this, if a woman fucks a bunch of other dudes, we can't determine who the father is. Massive L for a guy.
here's an example, right? Let's say, and this is why there's a bit of a different judgment when it comes to promiscuity between men and women. So a woman, let's say this is, you go back a hundred years, right? A woman who has 10 husbands. and they're all sleeping with her at the same time right who's the father you don't know like there's no way to know who's the actual father whereas a man who has 10 wives and they're all loyal to him
And we got to understand that double standards exist. For example. We both can earn money, but I'm expected to be a little more established than the woman. Is it fair? Can we make the argument that men are, we have feelings too, and yeah. But the truth is, this is what it is. It's not fair, but we have double standards. Ours are economic. Yours are physical. That's life. It's unfortunate, too, because then it causes men to abandon their families when they have multiple.
wives and kids, and that's a huge problem. Well, I'm not in favor of polygamy. I'm not in favor of polygamy, but... No, like what you said earlier about like the... like stds that to me makes perfect sense and i understand why someone would want that from that perspective and i am listening to your your second point and i um
understand like you know that's that's where you're coming from that being said with so many men still being promiscuous when they're younger and then having that double standard that we've acknowledged um Is it kind of unrealistic, I suppose, To think that every guy out there should have a girl that has a super, super low body count though. Because if guys are going out and having sex with these girls to get their experience, then where are the girls going to be? They're giving them the number.
Where are these girls? So I actually agree with you here. I 100% agree with you. There's not enough low body count women. to probably go around if that's kind of what you're saying yeah yeah so like some men are going to like after they're going to have to settle actually well i mean i don't know if they would settle on this well there's also some men who don't care Some men don't care. A lot of men don't care. Mine does not.
I'm not sure about that. You should have a conversation with him. Like, ask him. You should ask him, hey babe, hey Bart, follow me. Hey Bart, follow me. You know what though? I think men will lie about this for a couple reasons. One, he's already in a relationship with you. Two, like, sometimes it's hard to like, once you're in a situation, can you get out of it?
But I think that, and if he's trying to get you and you reveal like, and he's trying to sleep with you, most men are not going to be like, oh, I mean, some men will.
It'll be a deal breaker for but like a lot of men. They're not gonna pass up the chance for sex. So they'll just like oh, whatever Oh wait, I had something really oh, you should try this with your boyfriend be like um would you prefer because you brought up like oh be better in bed right yeah um you should ask him like so you would prefer me
If I had fucked 30 additional guys, right? So it's funny that you actually mentioned that. We've had this conversation. And yes, he did say that he would have preferred it. Holy fuck. That's the biggest hell. He's a different kind of guy. Sorry, go ahead. Well, he didn't say it like it was a bad guy.
thing but you know when you know obviously my my number is four when we got together it was three you know so he knew that going in okay and when we had sex for the first time he was like can you like uh uh like he It was bothersome for him. And that was the first time because...
Wait, can you be a bit more specific? Like, it was a position or something. Like, like. Arch your back better, I don't know. No, so, like, the very. Some girls be, like, rounded and shit. No, so, like, the first three guys that I was with, it was, you know, like, it was, like, you know.
they didn't give me feedback they were like oh my god you're so amazing you're great and then i got to him yeah and he was like you you've had sex like it was almost like he was like it was like like you're so bad at it like like not bad but it was just you know like You just didn't know yet. Yeah, I just didn't know yet. There's no shame in that. I would never say that. He didn't say it in a mean way. He didn't say it in a mean way. Okay, how did he say it then?
He was like, can you, like, please just talk? He, like, grabbed my head up. He was like, we can, we can, like, let's just kiss. Um, so it was like, I mean, that's a little different than how you originally painted it, but like, like he, he was, he felt like, I think he would.
I think that it was a little bit more bothersome because he had had a more sexual experience that like significantly he did a lot of partying, raves, stuff like that. And so I think he had like a certain standard of like what sex was supposed to be.
And then... Can I ask you one quick question? How long did you wait before hooking up with him? Him? So... I actually do agree with your point that like, you know, right away, like I might like every single time that I have like had a romantic partner. It's been like, I know from the get go, like it's him or it's nothing type of situation.
First, second, third date? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. So this started out casually, your relationship with him? Yeah. Well, I mean, he came in to the restaurant I was working in and he asked for my number and we went on a date. Everything was great. We went on a couple dates and I just I don't know like I just knew from like the moment that it was like it was gonna be like him. Who's that girl from Clueless? Alicia Silverstone. You look a little bit like her.
I don't know. That's just starting to be in the remake a little bit. Um, wait, so, okay. So your boyfriend gave you a hard time, a little bit of a hard time. Yeah. And so, but so you had the conversation. We did. He said, I would have. deferred. A couple other dicks had been inside of you. Really? He didn't say it exactly like that. What did he say? He didn't say, I wished a couple more dicks were inside of you. He said something along the lines of like, you know.
know um what what exactly did he say I I said like oh you don't like I I was feeling a little insecure because of some of the comments you know like I was like in my head a little bit and I was like you know like it would you have preferred you know like or like would you judge me if i had more like like like before we had the conversation story keeps changing here okay so like i said essentially like would it be would have would it have been better if i had more
or would you if that was the case would you then have judged me like i was asking if it was a double-edged sword kind of thing like is like are you happy or like would you never be happy in this situation well and he and he was like he was like i don't care care about your your your body count he was like you know like it was it was kind of a conversation that we had where it was like moving past this like idea that
He didn't want a pure virgin, basically. That's not what he wanted. And that was the first time that I had heard that out of a guy. And I guess in my head, for my ethics and my standards, that's when I knew he was the one. But I did also recognize... Hold on. I sound familiar. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. Wait, there's so many things here. Hold on. He's like very feminist. Did he vote for Kamala?
Of course he did. The point when you knew he was the one was when he said, you're bad in bed. I wished you fucked more guys. Am I, is anybody else hearing the same? I'm hearing that. It wasn't that it was that it was more of for the first time in like my dating life, there wasn't someone who was trying to like equate myself worth.
to to a number i guess so it was really refreshing but what wouldn't it still be equating to a number because instead of him wanting your body count to be low he wants it to be high which is still a number Like he wants, oh, you didn't fuck 30 dudes before me? Fuck you. Okay, I guess it's because I come. It's still the same thing.
I come from a Southern Baptist background and like previous to him, all of, all of the, all of the guys that I was dating. Do your parents approve of him? Oh, they, yeah. Wait, really? Yeah. Are your parents conservative? And so my parents used to be a lot more religious when I was growing up. Like when I was growing up, things were incredibly different, mostly because.
of the church that we were in and it was kind of like a cult if i'm being quite honest now that my parents are older they're like they're still very religious sure but they who did they vote for my my parents voted uh democrat oh yeah because my my parents viewpoint on religion and this is also like my viewpoint on religion still is that how you hold religion is like within you and that's your own like
truth and that's that's for you and it's not for anyone else and no two people will believe the like will read a scripture and interpret it the same way and so my parents i feel like kind of view a lot of modern day christian churches like those mega churches and stuff like that to be like just a modern day interpretation of the Pharisees so sure um wait so okay going back to your boyfriend um I'm like I hope my parents wait hold on the wait wait I had something on this
Your boyfriend... He won... So he was... He... Wait, oh, no, no, no. Okay, I have it. So, okay. You said it was the first time in your life that you ever heard a man say that he would have preferred you less pure, right? Yeah. this just support our position if it was the first time in your life that you heard this from a man that this is a standard that men have for women
Well, because also, like, where I grew up, maybe, like, the guys that I was dating were all involved in our church. Oh, yeah, you're in L.A. L.A.'s, like, totally degenerate. No, no, no. Like, I grew up in Tucson, Arizona. No, but you live in L.A. now, right? Yeah, but I didn't... Yeah. L.A.'s totally... D-gen. Anyway, it was just refreshing to not be equated to, oh, is she going to be a good wife? Is she going to be a good mom to kids?
Like, it was a refreshing take for me to hear that he was more interested in talking about, like, I don't know. philosophy at 3 a.m. than asking me, you know, what I bring to the table or if like...
You know, I want to have kids. Do they have to be biological? Because, you know, that's a big thing for a lot of men is that they want biological kids. It was like this kind of like purity standard of like a perfect little Southern Baptist housewife and like what I. was raised to you know what's the opposite of pure well that's what i'm saying is like i don't really believe in this like pureness i guess what's the opposite of pure dirty unclean
Do you think the world should be pure or unclean? I feel like pure is very... like subjective it's subjective what's yeah what about the oceans should the oceans be pure or unclean they should be clean but like so they should be pure well pure is pure of what Impurities. Well, I mean, contaminants. There's, you know, I mean, with the ocean, this is specifically environmental, obviously. So yeah, contaminants.
I suppose what I was trying to say with... But what is so appealing to you about a man who prefers a woman who is unpure as opposed to pure? I think... it was just refreshing to hear him say that like it was just refreshing to have someone say that to me was the first like intrigue that's when you knew he was the one well i when i say like the one i was like he was like different he was just so different than every other
guy that I had dated which had all been very religious either like Catholic or like part of our church like very like Christian and so for me it was refreshing to hear that in the first of all second of all It kind of like gave me like this kind of like light bulb moment where I was like, oh, so like not... Every guy views it that way. And if that is the case, then I guess I'm then became like very interested in why certain men view.
chastity and things like that and i asked him and he was like honestly i have no fucking idea and i was like that's not a great answer thanks babe i want to just i think he's lying i want to i want to ask the other panelists here do you think like of the the men like men in general Do you think that most men, who else is in a relationship? You're in a relationship, right? I think it's just you two who are in relationships. And you've been in a relationship for three years, right?
Um, do you think your boyfriend would genuinely like preferred, like if you were to ask him, uh, would you like me more if I had fucked more men before you? Do you think like, what do you think? Well, yeah, my situation's not the same. No, I know. But like, what do you think? Do you think he would like you more if you had slept with more men before him? No, because I'm a lot younger than him also. Well, sure, but...
Okay. So in general, no, because that would be really weird with the age gap. And then if I had that on top of it, that would be really bad. So no. Well, but so look, at least my thoughts on this, there are DGN men out there, but... My thoughts on this is that most men are not going to be like, yeah, I really wish my girlfriend fucked more men before she met me.
Well, like wording it like that, but yeah. But you said you actually had the conversation. We did. We did have the conversation. The conversation was what?
He didn't say like, oh, I wish you would have had more dicks. He wasn't that like, you know, he wasn't vulgar. He wasn't vulgar. But he said like, was this an actual like it was overtly expressed like hey you were just not sexually experienced I wish you had more sexual experience yeah he was he yeah he was like you know you're just not like as sexually experienced as I am because I think at one point
I did, uh, one of the times that we're having sex, I did start crying because I just like felt so bad about the situation. And he was like, you know, it's okay. made you he didn't make me cry i made myself cry about no he made you cry no like i made myself cry about it if he was if he was like speaking i'm pretty i mean look
but he, no, he was very sweet about it. He was, he, he wasn't like vulgar. He wasn't like, you know, bad at all about the situation. He was like, you know, very sweet. He, he, you know, hugged me. He was like, it's okay. You know, he was like, you just don't have like as much experience.
Like this was like when we were first dating. It's okay. You suck at sex. You're terrible. And he was like, you know, he was like, I have more experience than you. And that's why it's, it's, you know, like it is what it is. But like. And he was like, you know, it, he, he didn't make me feel inherently bad about it, but he did say, you know, like all the other girls that I had been with have obviously had XYZ more experience. Such an L for, okay. But so.
uh i guess question for you though so like even granting he was like he he wished you were better in bed are you saying that he would have made the trade-off of you he would have made the trade-off of He gets you more sexually, like you better in bed. But the entailment of that is you have an additional like 10 sexual partners. Is that a trade? Is that what you're saying? Wait, what? Okay, so.
Because like a guy you can as a guy you can be like, okay, she's not great in bed But the thought would never cross my mind like my the thought that would cross my mind in this situation is like OK, how can I tell her what I like? How can I give her like tips in a positive way and like try to be supportive and whatever? It would never be.
man, fuck this bitch. I wish she fucked like 10 other dudes so I wouldn't have to deal with this. So I guess the question is, is the entailment that he was dissatisfied with your sexual skill is the entailment he would the trade-off of if he could have gotten you more sexually skilled, he would have happily had you had sex with more men prior to him. I don't think...
At this point, he cares, but maybe at that point, I think it was maybe bothersome for him. To the point he wished that you fucked up more men prior to him. now I feel like he would have a different answer than when we first got together. If that makes sense. Like now I think he's, he would be fine with it. Cause we have made like it out, but like in the beginning it was like, you know, rough. So maybe. I mean, like.
It's so, what I don't understand is like, you have to really be fucking up as a girl to like be bad in bed. Like you got to fuck up. You got to be trying to do shit to like be bad in bed. Okay, but we've talked about preferences, right? Just doggy style, arch your back. You're good. That's it. But we've talked about preferences. You said that you love it when girls ride you, and he said that he hates, he doesn't like it when girls ride him. The grand ride. Yeah.
I don't like if she's going like... I don't like the jackhammer. I don't like the jackhammer. What's the jack? The jackhammer is like... Got it. Got it. Don't like it. I'm more of a gentle... I prefer a... You know, guys, I prefer more gentle sex. You know? Like, I don't like... I don't want the girl like... Okay, this guy. And I don't want to...
This might be TMI, but what you said you dislike is like the exact thing that... bartholomew will call him that yes he loves that shit so it's like i feel like every guy is different in like what they want in sex and relationship and all of these things but if we're pushing i guess what i was
in a roundabout this is a very long way to get to this is like if we're pushing like a narrative of like guys and girls need to be a certain way like is anyone ever going to be happy and truly fulfilled in a relationship like a normal person who's you know like like not I guess just like a just someone like not not i don't know just is the expectation maybe too high
That is a good question. We do have some chats coming. We got to try to get through this. Graffito, sorry for the delay on this. I apologize. literally and metaphorically. A dishonorable man can besmirch and corrupt you from the inside out. Graffito. Sorry for the delay on this. I'm very sorry. That did come through from Graffito. We have a couple other ones. Coming in. Okay, I can't pull that one up, bro. I'll send a refund or whatever. Oh.
Wait, it's Giovanni. I realized I loved my boyfriend when he told me he wished I banged more dudes that only came up because she didn't make his pee-pee feel a certain way. She literally loves Coomer. porn brain pathetic? Do you have a response to that? What does that even mean? Sorry. What I meant is, you know, first of all,
When all of this happened, it was like the first two times we had sex. After that, everything was great. We got experience down. Everything was fine. But it was the first few times that we had sex. So it wasn't an ongoing thing. Wait, wait, wait. Just to rewind.
a little bit here the origination of this entire conversation was i think i brought something up like yeah most men would not like do the trade-off of like their girlfriend but having 10 sleeping with 10 additional women or sorry 10 additional men prior to them if it means she's like marginally better or even way better in the bedroom
In this case, you're like, oh, well, actually, my boyfriend. Yeah, because I, because. But I don't, it's sounding like it's not. No, no, like, it, no. We just had a conversation. 30 minute conversation for nothing no no go ahead no it that's how that's how it was and what i'm saying is like wait i have to interrupt you yeah so you said
It was the first two times you guys had sex. Okay, maybe the first couple times, whatever. Sure. Let's say the first five times weren't great. In fact, I even think for most couples... The best sex you're going to have is deeper into the relationship than early on because you guys got to figure out this is actually a very normal phenomenon. I think the first time having sex.
you know she doesn't know what you like you don't know what she likes you're figuring it out maybe there's nerves involved i don't actually think that this is a rare phenomenon that the sex isn't always the best the first time in any case um You said that it was remedied within like a couple sexual encounters. What man in his right mind, if it was remedied within like five sexual encounters, would still make the trade-off of, I wish for those five early sexual encounters.
Those first five sexual encounters, I'm holding it against her. I'm holding those first sexual encounters against her. And she should have fucked ten other men because of that. No man is ever making that deal unless he's a cuck. I think for him, he maybe felt also bad for me personally because he was like, you know, he felt like he like robbed me of different experiences of being with other people. I think was also part of the conversation. He robbed you?
Like, his word's not mine. His word's not mine, okay? Like, he... Wait, he robbed you of getting to fuck other men? Oh, my God, this guy is digging himself a grave. No, and, like... I don't know about that. Okay, so, like, he... Have you guys... Is he a cuck? No. How long have you been with him? Seven years. Seven years. Yeah, we're fine. We're good. What I was trying to say is that... I want to rob my girl of other sexual experiences with other... You're fucking damn right I'm robbing you.
I am robbing you of other sexual experiences with men. That's called commitment. Damn right, I'm robbing you of sexual experiences. Because, okay, here's the last. He's a little bit older than me, and so that's also part of it. You're hot years. I'm sorry. Yes, he felt like he was taking away my hot ears. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, for him. They hot with him. I'm sorry, baby. But let me ask you a question. You don't have to answer it. But did his sexual proclivities with you...
expand the more you was with him, he sounded like a freak. What? I said his sexual proclivities, like stuff he wanted from you, did it increase as y'all started having more sex? Because it sounds like he's... Did you pegged him? I have never pegged him. I'm not into that. Absolutely not. No. No. He's definitely giving peg vibes. Trust me, he is not a peg vibe guy. Who did he go for?
Some people just over sexualize. I think that's I think that's the real problem just with America periods. There's too much pressure on sex good or bad I think we've just been over-sexualized, especially my generation. Late 90s, early 2000s. Should he come on the show? Sorry, go ahead. That ought to be crazy. I think the late 90s, early 2000s, there was this big porn rush. And I think this rush of porn and the accessibility to it.
has increased the demand of what a woman needs. A lot of dudes do think that she needs to be this super freak. And I think that comes from a porn addiction. Because back in the day, women didn't have to be all that. She didn't have to just look a certain way.
Even men. Because now, if you look at porns, all the dudes are in shape. And all the women have a certain phenotype. It wasn't like that back in the day. Social media, too. Social media, too. So now it's like after porn, everybody had to be... a certain aesthetic female-wise and every man has to be in perfect shape. I think these appetites come from porn and I think when men expect women to have this crazy sexual...
I think it's because they're comparing you to really pornography. So do you think with that viewpoint though that men shouldn't be so heavily reliant on porn? Of course. Too much of anything is not good for you. So, like, do you watch Bourne? No. Okay. I have, but I was younger. But as I got older, it's like it desensitizes you to it. To me, it has the same effect that...
Seeing too many women dress a certain way all the time, it desensitizes you to courting, it desensitizes you to how she feels, and it kind of puts you in a place of looking at her from an objective perspective. So I think that's why I say women dressing differently. It's not just about us. It's protecting her. And it's forcing the man to pull something else out of you. Because if he's constantly seeing you getting screwed in porn and he's constantly seeing your ass on Instagram.
Unless he's very highly developed and mature, he's going to just be looking at you as a sexual object. If I'm in a relationship, I don't watch porn. Man, that's crazy. We talked about a lot of things. I'm going to try to get things wrapped up here hopefully pretty soon. That is really interesting, though. Thank you for being so open about all that. Appreciate it.
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got a crazy ace thank you for the gifted five subs appreciate it okay guys and uh here let's i'm gonna try to get through as everything as quickly as possible i'm gonna have to skip some of these things because there's a lot we won't be able to get to all of it um Oh, last thing on the like hypocritical thing. I guess my final thoughts on this are in order for you to want to be with someone. Do you need to be exactly the same? Oh, no. What do you mean? Like personality? Well, so...
Let me ask you guys this. And this is for the whole panel. I'd like you guys to answer. And I'll start over here on this side with you. So we do a different angle. Are there things that you desire in a partner that you do not possess? Into the mic? I guess yes. Penis. There's that. You want me to name things? Do you want a guy who's taller than you?
Okay. But so there's, are you saying there's perfect symmetry in the things you desire in a man? So like, do you want a masculine man? Wait, why? You prefer feminine? No. Okay. Are you masculine? No. Okay. Do you want a dominant man? Yes. Are you dominant? No. Okay. What about you? Pretty much the same thing. Masculine makes more than me just because I want to have a child. Do you want to be a stay-at-home?
Yeah. You want to stay at home, right? Because my mom was. Yeah, and my mom had her career, yes. Going back to you really quick, and I'll come right back to you, though. Who should pay on the first date? Into the mic, into the mic. The guy. The guy. Yeah. Okay. so that's that is an asymmetry right and what you want like you wouldn't pay for the first date right you want the guy to make the first move you want him to ask you out you want him to go for the first kiss
Et cetera, et cetera, right? Same with you? Yeah, and I disagree with what he was saying earlier about how a woman should split after a few times, and that's how you know that she likes you. I gave context. I didn't just say that. Don't remix my shit. Don't get it twisted. It's an effort to do something. Okay, okay, okay. Did I not say that, ladies? I misunderstood you said the dating. I'm very clear at communicating. Well, what about you? What was the question? Are there things that you desire?
In a boyfriend that you do not possess. Yeah. Okay. Like what? A dominant personality. Okay. Maybe like asks you out. Yeah. Takes initiative. Takes initiative. Pays for the first date. Yeah, I think there's a lot of feminine aspects that I want to let myself express as a female that wants that like traditional soft female divine, you know, whatever. And I feel like I need somebody who can be the man.
That can let me express that part of myself. What about chivalry? Yeah, I like chivalry. But you're not chivalrous back, right? Meaning? Well, chivalry is typically something that's like one directional male to female. You know. I feel like I am kind of show roll is back because I think it's a give and take. And like, I want them to know that my effort is reciprocated. I appreciate what they give to me. And that is me reciprocating with effort.
So you pay for first dates then? I have. Okay. What about you? Sorry, repeat the question again. Yeah, so... Are there traits that you desire in a partner that you yourself don't possess? Yes. Like, and then what about you? I guess, yeah. Yeah? Right? What about you? Yeah. So for example, like, I don't think it would be hypocritical for a woman to find, to want a guy who's funny, but she's not funny.
I think we can all agree. I don't think there's actually anything hypocritical. Just because a woman herself isn't funny, what would actually be wrong with most women, I think?
would desire a guy who can make them laugh and is funny i don't think that's hypocritical right and so in that same light a man who has a high body count who's like whoa i find this trait attractive in the woman low body count or virgin I don't think that makes him a hypocrite in the same way that women desire traits in men that they don't possess themselves
I actually thought about that question more and I kind of just reversed it. And I thought, okay, if a man has a low body count and he's looking for a woman, hypothetically, with a higher body count because he wants experience.
or whatever the case may be would I find that hypocritical and I thought no I wouldn't so why would i find the reverse way it's more of just a preference so wait just so i understand this would be if somebody wanted if somebody wanted somebody who was sexually experienced but they were
lacking in sexual experience but they so they wanted to date somebody sexually experienced there would be an asymmetry there no you would you would not view that as hypocritical even like how uh how dare this person with a lack of sexual experience how dare they date somebody with more sexual experience than them essentially is that yeah yeah because at first i thought okay well i think that it is hypocritical for a guy to want someone with a low body count but
that i think about it no i don't think oh and i don't know if you answered do you i think you answered right you desire yeah yeah so i just you know that's interesting okay and then we have Let's see here. Oh, we got something. Graffito. Sorry for the delay again, brother. Here you go. I apologize. Women, do you find that men these days expect you to be able to perform like a P-star? Do you expect...
Do they expect you to deep throat gag or other crazy things that were unheard of before corn normalized them? Yes. Yeah, that's probably a thing. That's definitely a thing. Graffito, sorry for the delay there. I do appreciate... What the hell? I appreciate it. Thank you, Graffito. Thank you so much. I wonder if this relates to... Yeah, it is a good point. All right. Oh man, we're not going to be able to hit all of these, but maybe we'll do one or two more and then we'll wrap.
Age gap relationships, I think a couple of you had objections there on the age gap relationships. I think, or no, you're okay with them, it sounds like. Yeah, I'm okay with them. Oh, you're okay? Yeah, you X'd that out. Uh, I think you had an issue with age gap relationships. I disagree, but it really does depend on like where that age gap lies. Yeah. 30 year old. The example I provided 30 year old dating a 19 year old. Yeah. No.
Yeah, no, okay. Tangier? You said also age gap relationships, icky? Into the mic if you can, please. 19 to... Yeah, 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old. It's kind of like... But hey, what do I know? So I don't know. How do you want someone fresh out of high school and you're like a very long-term adult at this point? Wait, what do you mean?
A 19-year-old is just getting out of high school. They're just now experiencing an adult. Well, they could be in their first or second year of college. Well, first or second year of college. But still, when I was in my first or second year of college, no thoughts behind the eyes. Like, just 19, you're just partying, you're out of home. Yeah, so should women not...
allowed to vote i'm not saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote i'm saying that 30 year old men well can i finish yeah go ahead i'm saying that 30 year old men or women shouldn't date 19 year olds in my opinion Because why aren't you with someone your own? Why are you going for someone that's more vulnerable in life? How are they more vulnerable? They're 19. So? Do you think it might be taboo and that might be like a fantasy to... either one or both of them, and they deserve to.
be in a taboo relationship and that fulfills them yeah but so go ahead and they could but my main concern is like the frontal lobe is not developed haven't experienced relationships i mean that's kind of bs the whole frontal lobe thing but yeah I mean, it does develop when you're in your 20s. That's why I never take medication. So you're saying like...
18 year olds are just like totally no slurred like no not at all that's not what i'm making at all so then but why can they consent to having sex with someone their age then I'm just saying I feel like it's wrong. I don't agree with it. I'm not saying that it should be illegal or not illegal. Can I present to you an example here? What would you find more objectionable? An 18-year-old woman or 19-year-old woman, she is...
She's dating men her age, but they're just using her for sex. And she's like one after the other after the other. I mean, this is a complaint I hear from a lot of young women, these younger college guys. They don't want a relationship. They just want to. What you doing? 11 p.m. on a Friday. What situation would you prefer to see a woman in that or she's dating a 30 year old guy who's a monogamous and loves her?
and she's in a relationship with him what do you think is like better for her mental health i'm just still stuck on why is a 30 year old want to be with a 19 year old like that's really just what i'm stuck on i can answer that but you have to answer my question first I don't really know how to answer it. Just to be clear, here's your position. You would rather a 19-year-old woman fuck, say, a dozen men her own age?
that just discard her after fucking her once or twice or three times versus being a loving, caring, monogamous relationship with a 30-year-old man. Well, now you're just bringing up she's sleeping around with a bunch of men. Well, that was the entailment. That was the... But it's different. Why couldn't she just sleep around with the same 18 year old or 19 year old? Wait, what? Why couldn't they sleep with one 19 year old? It's a hypothetical to test the logic.
That has no logic. There's one people and then multiple people. That's not logic. That's just different scenarios. I can grant to you that a woman who's 19 could get into a relationship with another 19-year-old. But I'm testing your logic here.
So in the hypothetical scenario I presented, you have a 19-year-old woman who, and I actually don't think it's... really that far-fetched that this actually occurs really frequently in college a lot of women they're having I just know personally when I was 19 if I dated a 30 year old That wouldn't have gone well for me. So personally, my opinion is I don't agree with it. Yeah, but I mean, you said that you have like the borderline personality disorder. I don't know if that plays into it.
um why would what specifically about the age gap relationship would not play well for you it just makes me extremely uncomfortable why are you not doing your own age like what like but let's say um uh You know Ryan Reynolds? Yeah. Would you date him? I don't know him. You don't know Ryan Reynolds? I mean, I know of him, but I date off personality. I don't date for looks. I genuinely don't.
If you looked at all my exes, you'd be like, what the fuck? Like, genuinely. Do you have a celebrity crush? Mm-mm. no you can't think that's like a bpd thing like i just genuinely like i if i i've never really had an idol or looked up to someone like it just is what is so you would um do you know henry cavill cavill no
I don't know a lot of people. I didn't watch a lot of movies growing up. Have you seen the movie Fight Club? I haven't watched Rocky. I haven't watched Titanic. That's fine. Can I say something about this? Go ahead. I agree with the ladies. I feel like at 19, I think once you hit, I think you got a little window to deal with that. I think any man over 23 shouldn't be dealing with a 19-year-old. Me personally. Why though? Because.
The blowback is not worth it when there's so many other women. What do you mean the blowback? I think it just looks weird. Like in today's society, maybe in the 1500s when we was, you know. Dealing with castles and all that. But I'm talking about today. I just think as opposed to other options. Like if you're 23, I think that's when that should be the last moment you deal with. I don't like it either. The whole teen thing that's totally disingenuous because you can be 13 and then 19.
like these are two like one is a crime like if you were and the other is like an adult who can vote and sign a contract But today's young people are really goofy, man. Like a 13-year-old today is like a 9-year-old for real. A 20-year-old today is... Well, hold on. We're talking about adult relationships. So 18 plus. Okay, 18 plus, I just, me personally, if I'm 22, that's my limit. Like, if I'm 30, I deal with a woman that's like 25, 24, 19, me personally, nah.
Because I'm thinking about my daughter. Like, if I got a daughter that's 19 and she framed back a dude that's 30, he got to be, like, Obama or something. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's likely he's not going to be that. So, I don't, me personally, I think 19 to 30-year-old, I'm going to look at the dude. As if he's a little awful, a little desperate, or he can't get nobody. Because you can still get a young woman.
But 19 at 30, I don't know. What if you meet someone, though? What if you meet someone you don't know their age and it's a 19-year-old that looks 25? That's different. Because I always looked older. But does it have to do with physical appearance? Or does it have to do with like mental state? I think just I don't want to deal with.
explaining that to anybody else. Me personally. I'm just being honest. I'm just talking about me. I don't want to deal with that. Like if I found out, if we fell in love, I've been with her for a year and I found out she was lying about her age. It's like I'm already with her until it's kind of different. Well, she lied to you, right? She lied to me. That's different. But if I know I'm not 30 years old and scouting.
The local community college for a 19-year-old. Like, I just think that's kind of weird. Okay, man, you're on social media. Let's say a 19-year-old girl, she slides into your DMs. I'm not dealing with that. I'm 39, bro. I can't do it. I got a daughter that's four years younger than her.
But are you checking their age first thing? Like, how do you find out? Like, is it a first-time question? How do you kind of find out? I deal with women in areas where really 19-year-olds really don't be. Like, I don't really club like that. Wait, hold on. But really quick to, like, you have a daughter like that. Do you have a sister?
Yeah, I got a sister. How old's your sister? My sister's, I think she's like 42, 43. Do you have a younger sister? Yeah, she'd probably be maybe 24 now. Would you date a 24-year-old? At 39? Yeah. She got to be super duper. I was going to say that sounds better to me. Like it's really just me. The 19. Let me ask the question. Let me ask the question. Okay. Let's say you had a younger sister who was 30.
Would you date a 30-year-old? At 39, yeah. Okay, but that's like dating somebody your sister's age. Yeah, but my sister's super grown now. She ain't super grown at 19. But, like, I don't understand this argument. Like, oh, well. You have this familial person in your life who is of a certain age. Ergo, you can't date them.
You can do what you want. I just said I wouldn't want to do it. Here's what I don't understand from you, though. You're saying the other people would judge you, so I won't do it. You strike me as a... How do I articulate this? Do you really give a fuck what other people think? I don't get that impression from you. I don't, but certain things, it's just not worth the fight.
Like, I pick... I'm not trying to beat... You got to pick your battles. Certain battles are just not worth it. What battle? What battle? Some fucking Karen on the internet? Me. 39 years old? I don't want a 19-year-old. She probably has a lower body count. I don't want a 19-year-old. I might be attracted to one. I might be like, yo, you could get it, shorty, but I'm just not going to do it. Would you date a 30-year-old if she looked like...
She was 18. Yeah, she's 30. Nah, she looks like she's 30. That is a good argument. It's like the physical looks thing. There are 19-year-old women who are shapely and big ass, big titties, whatever. And there's like... 30-year-old women who you would date who are like a cop. So that's my confusion here. I mean, because it's not just a physical thing. Sure. It's mental. Like if I'm 39, a 19-year-old can only be taught by me.
And in today's society, she probably ain't going to hear shit I say. She probably think I'm too old. I don't know shit. So I ain't got time to be arguing with no little ass kid, bro. So me personally, I don't want to deal with a 19-year-old. You've never dealt with a 35-year-old quarrelsome, nagging woman? Absolutely. I don't want to deal with that either. The most complicated women I've ever dealt were like...
It wasn't like the 23-year-old. It was the fucking woman my age. It varies. There's older women that's cool and there's older women that's goofy. There's younger women that's cool and there's younger women that's goofy. But that can't be the only reason then. There has to be somebody. I'd rather deal with somebody with... within 10 years or under me. But correct me if I'm wrong. You had mentioned a part of the 18-year-old, what are you talking about? 19-year-old was perception.
But the 30-year-old that looks like she's 18, wouldn't people still perceive her? Yeah, but perception is not reality because she's actually 30. So she looks young. That's just she just looks young. But she's actually young but looks older. I just.
I wouldn't do it. I just think it's too much explaining. You know, her parents might not be comfortable. You know, it's just too much shit that you got to deal with. You could take it on and say, hey, I'm a man. Hit me roll. I'm going to do what the fuck I want. But certain battles out there.
think is worth it just to prove that i'm a guy i do want to ask the some of the girls input on this um you're in a age gap who's in the age gap relationship what's the age gap again you're 15 years you're 25 and he's 40 ladies at the table here objectionable 15 when did you start dating Three years ago. Her prefrontal cortex just finished. It's not even just that. Wait, you were 22 when you guys started dating? She was 22 when they started dating and he was 30.
seven yeah like prefrontal cortex was not fully developed and i said and it's still the 19th thing they just moved out of the house give him a second 22 and that i agree and i said in the beginning There's only certain age gap relationships I don't agree with. When you say 19, you said teen. That's crazy. Here, I'll bump it up one year. 30, 20. Okay. Wait. That's 10 years. Okay, 35, 20.
35, 20? Yep. Fine. Really? It's just the teen? Yes. So just to be clear. 19 and 364. Hold on. 19, 364 days. Uh-huh. Or 20. Yeah. In zero days. Like, one day later. Like, creep. Would you want to be a 19-year-old? Sure, why not? Really? Yeah, why not? Okay. Well, what here if they're pursuing you because of that like Let me just clarify here so I've dated women of like
I've dated women older that I had age gaps with in terms of like they're older than me. So when I was 31, I dated the 45 year old. That's like 13 years. My grandparents have like a 15 year age gap. So I've dated older women. I've dated women my age. I've dated women who are, you know, younger than me. I've dated various ranges.
what and then another clarifying point i'm not like hanging i'm not going to college parties trying to mack on no but like i don't know if i was on a dating app and i match with somebody or she slides into my dms i don't actually i can't actually think of
any reason besides it gives you the ick like you can't actually make a really compelling argument um i did say that though i said it's just my opinion and i'm like it is what it is like it's your opinion there might not be any logic behind it but the word teen i'm like i don't know but it is just the word team. Call it like it is. It's fine. It just weirds me out. It weirds me out. When I was 19, I just... Yeah, you were a mess. We get it. It's fine. Let me ask you a question.
Let's put aside or even grant your position that it's kind of icky, gross, creepy, whatever. Can you actually make a compelling argument in terms of the benefits to the man?
why he should date like so i'm 35 right make a compelling argument to me why i should date a 35 year old versus a 25 year old well for like just for the experience level like i know you might not want some you might want a fresh start with whatever but i think logically If you're going to go into a relationship with a failed relationship behind trying to, like you know, make your life better, eventually have a long-lasting relationship.
I think your best bet is with someone who also has been through it before and knows kind of what they want and what they don't want. But okay, so you're saying, tell me if I have your... your point correct so um Men should date women their age because the woman will have an equivalent degree of relationship experience. And so for this reason, it makes more sense for him. to date a woman his age? I wouldn't say their age, around their age. Sure, around their age. Yeah. Okay. So...
But I still, like I said this before, like I don't necessarily disagree with age gap. That age gap I did disagree with. Because my grandparents have an age gap. So you don't disagree with the 35-25? Okay, fine. I'll change it then. Make a compelling argument in terms of the benefit to the man why he should date a 35-year-old woman versus a 90-year-old woman.
I don't know. I'm not a man. Like, I don't know what it would benefit you. Like, I don't know what makes your brain tick. Like, I don't know what would make you feel better and what wouldn't make you feel better. You women, you guys should start dating short men. who are broke, who are not funny, who are not charismatic, who are not dominant, and who are not leaders. You guys should...
Because I think it's predatory that you guys go after these high-income, high-earning men. Again, never said should, said my opinion, and I wouldn't do it. Yeah, but you have to actually engage in the conversation. Again, I'm just trying to hear what is the benefit to the man? Like, what does a man get by dating?
an older woman what does a man get by dating a younger woman though like that what's a woman is a woman a man is a man again the age really doesn't matter but when you bring in teens and adults it does matter like it does so disingenuous to use the word To make it about the teen thing. So what is 19? Teen, right? Yes, it is teen. Do you know what spin is? No. Okay, so spin is like sort of a marketing.
principle yeah and like people will do this all the time like have you ever encountered somebody who has a totally different like uh perhaps somebody's lied about you and they said like a whole different perception has anybody ever lied about you Oh yeah. Made up something about it. Oh yeah. How did they spin it?
They painted something in the least flattering light possible, right? Yeah. Yeah, and so what you're doing is you're using kind of charged language to sort of imply that a man who's attracted to a 19-year-old adult woman is essentially a pedophile because teenager. I just said personally, I don't agree with it. What I was at when I was 19. Is an 18 year old an adult? Legally. You can still be in high school at 18. Okay. Is a 19 year old an adult?
Can be, but again, you can still be 19 in high school. They are legally an adult, but then again, you can still be in high school. A 30-year-old should be dating a high schooler. Do you think that's, like, I don't know. Like, that just seems off to me. And, again, that is just my personal opinion. It's where my head was at at 19.
I don't know what would make a benefit more, but I don't think really age can make you benefit more or less. It just is what is. Age just is what is. But again, so I want to go back to my question. Why should a man... Date a 35-year-old woman versus a 19-year-old woman. If they're 35? Yeah. Because of life experiences.
like you went through life why do you why do you get a fresh start like with someone new but you not that you have baggage i'm not saying that you have any baggage or anything but like when you're like again when you're like 35 like life happens Like life is happening. Sure. Why do you get to take in that baggage and they don't? And again, it's just really your personal opinion. Again, it's just something I don't want to experience and that's okay. I'm asking you like, so I'm kind of like.
putting you in a position to try to change my mind like so i know that but i don't know but i think this is actually indicative like you actually acknowledge sort of my position on this um i'm asking you to like articulate what makes a woman better when she's older like because would you guys all agree we're all trying to get the best person we can get right okay
If you could, if you all could, you would get the 6'5", super ripped, rich, amazing personality, loyal. You would try to maximize what you can get, right? okay whether you can get it or not that's another conversation i'm looking for what do i get from an older woman that would make me want to date a 35 year old versus somebody who's younger
And I'm only because you don't... And I tried to answer it in the beginning and you cut me off. Literally just experience. You just keep saying it's icky. And no, I said experience in the beginning. Okay, so do men care about a woman's experience? No. You even said that in the beginning. Thank you for making my point. Because you said that in the beginning. That's why I'm listening to you. I'm open. You said no. A man told me no. You said no. I'm taking your opinion for what it is. Right.
Yeah. But so again, I'm looking for some, like an actual argument, unless you're just willing to concede the argument. Again, I said there, I don't genuinely have an argument. It's just, I don't like it for myself. But can you make, how about this? Can you make a moral argument for why it's wrong?
It's morally wrong for me. That's it. No, but why? Because I told you at 19, my brain was not there. If a 30 year old man were to date me, he would have took advantage of me. A 21 year old man took advantage of me. So for me personally, again, that's different than that.
Again, me personally, I wouldn't want to date a 30 year old. That has nothing to do with age gap though. Because you just said a guy your age took advantage of you. Okay. It has nothing. I personally don't want an age gap. It would have nothing to do with age gap. We're talking about age gap. Okay.
Yeah. So wouldn't a man... This is what I don't understand, right? You don't think that... like same age men or even like let's say a 19 year old woman uh or how about a 20 year old woman dates a 19 year old guy he's incapable of taking advantage of her or being abusive i've never said that because they certainly can be they can be right so what what What is the argument then? That I personally just, it's my personal opinion. Let me ask you this.
A 19-year-old woman dating a 20-year-old guy, can he be abusive towards her? Yes, yes. Okay. Can a 19-year-old woman dating a 30-year-old guy, can he not be abusive towards her? An 18-year-old girl can punch a 50-year-old man and be abusive. The 18-year-old would be abusive. Could a same age relationship at 20 be seriously problematic? And could a 20-year-old dating a 30-year-old not be problematic at all? And it'd be loving and healthy? Okay, so what's the objection?
that i wouldn't do you ask if i feel like it's okay and i was taking it for for myself i don't feel like it's okay for myself I'm not looking down on you for having an age gap relationship. I never look down on my grandparents, and I'm not against them. Personally, for me, I don't want one.
I think most girls prefer older men as well. I'm going to say most do, but I personally, I just don't. I think you should just talk about 19. I'm literally, yeah, but really with just, I don't know. Teens, the word teen.
It's me out. And again, if that doesn't convince you enough, that's okay. I don't know how else to convince a man that like you should date your own age. Like what, what answer are you looking for? Wait, can it be over 20 though? The man, if you're 19 or no, like just no twenties at all. 22, 19. Okay. It's crazy to me because our society has become so infantilized. We're treating teens like toddlers, adults like teens.
Like, it's just, I don't know. But to play devil's advocate, I think back in the day, like you had generals that was 15-year-old men. Average 15-year-old boy can't do that shit today. I think. we want old rules but we have to have a society to facilitate that development we don't have it today
We don't have Julius Caesars and all that today. You might have some gangbangers, but you don't have 15-year-old, 14-year-old boys that's ready to lead a nation of army of men to war. We did back in the day, and we had younger women who were able to, was ready to take on. the responsibility of being a wife or a queen at younger ages back then because we had a society that facilitated that.
over time we don't have that anymore now we may be still biologically capable of doing these things but i don't think this society facilitates mature young people let alone mature adults i mean I guess one question. So we can send teenage boys to fight wars. Are you okay with that? No.
Okay. But you, you acknowledge that it's a reality, right? That like teenage boys historically have fought war and then they still like, you can 18, you can join the military. Um, and 18 year old, uh, men can be drafted right um so just to be clear you at 18 you can be sent to war you can volunteer to go to war but
But we can't drink. Women can't have a consensual relationship with a guy who's a bit older than her? It's up to them. If they want to have that age gap, they can go for it. Okay, but it's icky in any case. That's basically your position.
Yeah, if I were to see it that way, I'd be like, you're dating a teenager. And that's just my opinion. Okay. All right. Sure. Did you have something? Anybody else? I mean, you're in an age gap relationship. They are essentially calling your boyfriend predatory. And I did not. I mean, that's the implication. She was 22. And I asked her and I said that was fine. She was a vulnerable college girl at 22.
And she was preyed upon by this 37-year-old man. You should be defending. Girl, that's not how I said it. You know that's not how I said it. I even asked and said, no, I actually, I don't mind. And I would have been honest with you. I think it's just like.
defend your boyfriend here. Well, it's just circumstantial. Like I feel like with the dating apps, we need like a list checked off of everything. You can't just naturally meet someone and things to be, you know, maybe different than what you expected. So yeah. Yeah, again, never. Don't look down on your relationship. Just the 19 thing. And just my opinion. I feel like this would almost be like me saying women who are attracted to tall men.
Actually, never mind. I'm going to move on. Okay, we need to wrap up here soon. Let's see. Okay. I'm going to just go through the stack. Then we're going to wait. There's probably no. Okay, we're good. Let's see. One sec, guys. Any final thoughts here from anybody? We'll wrap up here hopefully pretty soon. Any final thoughts from any of the panelists? About the age gap?
no any topic if you want to ask you got two men who will give you the this is a rare opportunity because most men you talk to want to have sex with you so they won't tell you the truth They won't tell you the truth. We'll tell you the truth. Ask us a question if you have one or if there's any topics you want to talk. I tell the truth to women. I want to have sex with two. I don't want to fuck around. Okay, fair enough.
I guess with the purity thing, you know, how can you expect women to have low body counts when men expect women to put out very soon in the first few dates? Like I said... I don't think men, well I don't. I don't respect a woman to put out. I want her to put out effort. I've had women not want to talk to me because I wasn't trying to have sex with them so soon. So it really just depends. I just want effort. I don't think.
Men who want to take you seriously long term are expecting to give your body to them first, second, third day. I don't think that. I think they just want. to see a consistent effort and you showing effort that you want to be with them. And as far as the body count thing, like I said before, do I think there's some psychological and biological effects to a high body count? Absolutely. But me personally, because we are such a highly...
sexually charged era, there's a likelihood that she probably has some bodies. That's just the times we're in. So my concern is the type of men she's dated. prior to me because that's going to tell me what she defines as a man because sometimes depending on the type of men that women are with they have a misconception of what manhood is so if you was with a real passive guy you think that's manhood because he lets you do what you want to do say what you want
to say so now you're expecting that from other men because he gave you a misinterpretation of manhood and vice versa like a man could be um he could be dealing with a guy who's very over the top masculine very aggressive very just Too much. And you could think that that's masculinity. So when you deal with me, you expect me to be this hyper-masculine man or the super-passive man. So to me, the type of man that a woman deals with tells me a lot more than her body count in a highly sexual era.
How many dates until you throw it out that they have to sleep with you, I guess? I was confused about that because the story said a whole year and you were like, what are they doing if they're just going out? No, I'm saying, for that story, I'm going to answer the question in two parts. When it comes to that dude... If you're just dating her and taking her out to eat and she's agreeing to showing up and eating, that shouldn't compute to you that...
We're going somewhere. It's possible. But to think it's guaranteed, you're a fool. Because nothing she did showed you that. She just showed that you're cool enough to feed her. So if he's taking that data and computing that into, well, it felt like, it seemed like, then you're just green, brother. Now, as far as, what's the second part? That's the other thing you said? You said something else. Oh, how many dates does it take for you to throw it off without getting...
Sex. If I talk to you, let's be real. If I'm trying to talk to you, I already assume that I'm looking at you. You can get it. So that doesn't have to be discussed. Are you going to get annoyed after a few dates if you don't want them to wait? It depends on what I'm doing, but I wouldn't say annoyed. It's just a vibe. I'm not saying, okay, it's been two weeks. It's like...
I'm cool with just us kicking it. If you coming over, we kicking it, we watching movies, we calling out my kiss. I'm cool with that because me personally, I like building shit. I like build up. I like getting that pressure. How long would you wait though? That's my question. How long would I wait? Okay, that's direct. How long would I wait?
I don't know. It just depends on the person. Like, I'm not waiting a year. I'll give you that. I probably could wait, I would say, a month. Because it's not about I need it so bad. I just know how women operate. And I know that a woman who really wants you...
is not going to make you wait that long. I might even say, nah, baby, chill, we can wait. But knowing that she wants to do it, it's like, all right, that's more realistic. Because a woman is not going to make you wait that long. You don't have to acquiesce to her advances, but her letting me know she want to do that.
within a month or two seems a lot more realistic about how I gauge women's interest as opposed to just waiting forever. It's not necessarily that I have to do it when she wants to, but. I know how women move. And like she said, she knew right away. Like women don't move like that. So when I see women going outside of the normal pattern or how women move when they're interested in a man, that's a red flag for me.
But do I look at, like, oh, this is the time we got to do it? Nah, just let it vibe and let it happen naturally. I like the pressure to build, too. It's like there's nothing left to do but that. We done had great conversations. We done had so many dope outings. And it just happens. Like, I don't think that's something. I'm looking to just
have to do. Yeah, because you said you like purity. That's why I was asking that. I didn't say I like purity. I'm explaining why men do like purity. What I like is a woman who treats me well. And like I said, when I'm speaking, I'm speaking because it's not about me. People have too many conversations about what I do, what I do. I don't represent all men.
I represent myself, but I know a lot of men, and I know how the average man thinks. And the average man does want a woman. In a lot of cases, it's for psychological. She's been with him physically. That is a part of it. But it's the psychological aspects of a woman who's been with multiple guys.
They are different. They're a little more altered. They take on that man's energy, and men just don't want to deal with that. Okay. Let me get through these quick here, and then let's see. A couple of you said... disagreed to the following statement women have equal rights to men i think you disagreed i think you disagreed i think you disagreed and i think you disagreed is that Fair recap on that. Right? Yeah. Anybody else disagreed? It was Hannah. Is it Andrea? Andrea. Andrea.
Andrea? Andrea. Or no, you actually did not circle that. It was... I want to say, actually, can I change my stance right now? No, it's here. Because we're talking literally, and I'm like, oh, no, like, technically, literally, we do have equal rights right now. So, Tang Jay, you said women disagree that women have equal rights to men.
It was also Hannah. It was Tierra. We're ignoring mine now, remember? Oh, I guess so. Ignore mine. Hannah, so... Yeah, now I'm just like... Quick question for those of you who did say you disagree that women have equal rights to men. What rights do men have that women don't? So...
I don't think that the United States is the only country that exists, and that's only part of the female population. So when we're talking about women's rights, it has to accompany the entire world. Well, what about the United States?
Well, there's still, for example, like female genital mutilation is still something that's practiced even here in the united states it's illegal it's it's still practiced though it's kind of one of those things well i don't know if this can i just i'm gonna cut you off
Just to save you a little bit here, I don't think you want to argue circumcision on this one. I think you're going to... have this is not going to be a productive argument for you but well i'm just saying that there is lots of there's lots of things that we could do better what what else is when it comes to men though when it comes to genital mutilation
that's also practiced right the difference is one's one's legal one's not well one one provides like a cleanly i don't i don't have any viewpoint on whether or not it baby boy should be circumcised or not like I don't that's totally up to I guess like the father honestly because I don't father I would say it's up to the father because like I don't know if it's a single mother she makes the determination right
I think like most hospitals, like just standardly do it, right? Is it mutilation though? Is it still mutilation? The reason why I say female genital mutilation is different is because a lot of times they also remove part of the clitoris, which takes away feeling and stimulation. Same thing for us. This is extremely rare. I've never heard this. I've heard that happen. This is an extremely rare occurrence in the United States.
What I was saying at first was not the United States. I was saying the general world. Look, I can't have a debate with you about Ethiopia. I don't know. We're going to have to talk about the United States. States. And if your position is men and women have equal rights in the United States, I can just move on.
You did cite, too, even in the United States, female genital mutilation. But that is outlawed. It is outlawed. Male genital mutilation is not. So I don't think you have a very compelling argument. Well, I wasn't saying that... what i was trying to say i'm just trying to move things along because the prompt the prompt is
women have equal rights to men you disagree the first thing you cited to was something that in actuality men don't have a right to bodily autonomy when it comes to this whereas women do it's outlawed whereas like this is like wholesale wholesale done to like the vast majority of men in this country upon birth so i don't think you have a very strong argument there well what i was initially saying was for the entire world
as a worldview um i've already said i can't i don't i can't talk about and that's okay mongolia i can't talk about we're talking about i have to in the united states yeah absolutely i i'm sure i'm sure that there is thing I'm sure that there is things that I am not remembering right at the moment. It's not necessarily... I'm sure that there is different... Someone else who is more...
knowledgeable on U.S. laws of gender inequality probably would have something to say. I do not at the moment. I know more of different atrocities that happen. in the worldwide news so i will concede to to your point i suppose okay um what i was initially saying though wait do you concede or are you just saying well there there could be something that exists i'm not knowledgeable
I'm not knowledgeable enough on that aspect of U.S. policies because a lot of times things are changing pretty quickly. That's not something that I feel like I necessarily have the best argumentative point on. You're right. How about you? You said you disagree that women have equal rights to men. I was speaking more...
Like in a general, worldwide. Oh, worldwide. It didn't specifically. I'll change it to the United States. It did not say the United States. Okay, so men and women have equal rights. In the United States. No, it didn't say United States. No, no, no, I know, but now I'm asking the clarifying question. You think that women do have equal rights in the United States compared to men? Correct.
Same with you. I guess it also depends on state because there's state laws and there's national laws. For example, women's right to equal pay, that can be different. That's a law. Different, what I'm saying is that that could be different from state to state versus national. There's federal. There's federal minimum wage and then there's state minimum wage. I feel like tons of little niche things that aren't necessarily quite up to par.
Um, can you give us an example or? Can I, can my phone, can I like, can I like. Because it's the thing. I don't know it off the top of my head. But you believe there is something out there that exists. But it's just not coming to you. It's not coming to my memory bank at the moment. That's not something that I have. Well, my position is that there is no right.
that the man has that the woman doesn't actually you know what I'll be charitable the one thing that I can think of and it you know while I think is fairly minor it is technically a right that it depends on your location that men possess that women don't, this would be in certain jurisdictions, men can be topless in public. In other areas, men, women can be topless in public.
Some jurisdictions, I guess it's an indecency or something. I don't know. I don't think that's really the pressing issue for most feminists. I think most men would actually be like, oh, okay, let's equalize. I'm in favor. Bust out the titties. Don't care.
I don't think most women want to be like walking around with their titties out to begin with. I'm a feminist. You want the titties out? You can have the titties out. Are you a feminist? I will advocate. I will be a feminist. I'll advocate. I mean, I'm more of like them. a butt guy so i don't really you know i'm more of a labia guy to be honest like big labia matter like i don't really but boobs whatever like if the labia is big that's all that matters
I actually only date women with... Okay, anyways, whatever. I just want to say this real quick. Are you also a big lady, big guy? I know. I plead the fifth. I think it's funny how... Y'all didn't assume he was talking, y'all assume when he was, you said when he hit you up, you assumed that he was talking about L.A. But in this question, you assumed he was talking about the world. It seems like y'all just pick and choose when y'all want to focus on nuance and when you don't.
I mean, it's like a strategy. Well, I think it was also because I wasn't reached out by the show initially. I was reached out by a different person who was a girl, and based off of her, when I looked at her, thing I
thought it was going to be a different type of question. We've talked about dating pretty substantially here, I think. But not in LA specifically, like she was saying. Yeah, based off of her profile, I had assumed that it was going to... I'll have to see what she sent you. I mean, I have third parties who send... casting messages out. It's fine. In any case, I will move it on. It was women have more rights than men. I don't know if we can't linger. I got things on quickly.
Do you want to come back? You know what we could do? Do you want to come back? I'm scared to come back. Oh, she's scared. I'm getting trolled. No, you're killing it. You're doing fine. You can do it again. And you have more to add. And you're from here. You might as well. one day. Yeah, you were great. You're tough. You did a really good job. So, let's see. Are you a feminist? I feel like I overexposed myself. I really do. Are you a feminist? I would...
Consider myself... I think everyone here... Oh, sorry. I think everyone here would assume that I consider myself... Who else is a feminist? Feminist, feminist, feminist. Oh, wow. Feminist? Can someone wait? Depends on the definition. I would say you fall in the category of a neo-feminist, which I don't. She's a neo-Nazi? What? No! I can see that. Do you have German heritage or something? Definitely not. Do I agree with equal rights? Yeah, but do I also think that women have a place?
And that play should be respected as a female in that mindset of typical female traits. Yes. Feminists might hate that about me and how I feel about a traditional... What is that place? Really? Yeah, probably. Okay, fuck it. Old school feminists is a way different definition. Yeah, I feel like I'm a humanist, but I feel like that should be... What is the...
the place uh i wait the place yeah you said you feel like women have a place what is the place homemaker right like no not necessarily there's options there's choices but like at the end of the day i think biologically There is a natural air of womanhood.
and what we say we expect from a man, from a relationship. I'm not saying this is every single one of you guys. I'm not saying that about every single person. I'm saying, but from the issues it seems like we've discussed, there's this expectation of what we want from a man. And that puts us, we need to be accountable in our awareness of how we present ourselves and what the expectation is from a man is the expectation.
from a man to us as a woman in the place as a female that we reside in to accept, like, accept. Yeah, because on the flip side... If we felt like women, y'all wouldn't like us. In other words, if we felt like, you know what, I can come outside and just wear what the hell I want to wear. I'm still a man. You're going to be like, nah, you're not. So we got to be fair. There's certain things we have to do that's expected of the opposite sex. You don't have to acquiesce.
and bow down and kiss every man's ass. But you're going to judge a man who comes out and flip-flops every day with a tank top. You're not going to say, well, who am I to judge them? You're not going to find that appealing. You're not going to see that as masculine. So, same thing with women. We see you dress a certain way. We're not going to. We expect a certain basic decorum between the sexes. I think it keeps things civil. I think trying to prove a point and be extreme on both sides is just...
a waste of time, and it's really hurting the future generations because they're watching us. I think I would beg to differ on the guy with the flip-flops. You say what? I would beg to differ. I mean, I'm sure you would beg to differ on damn everything I say. Do you have a body type preference? Just don't be overweight. You know, you can have a little pause. You're like, I'm not looking for perfection. Just be...
No. Healthy. Decent. You know what I mean? I'm not into real real big girls. But then you have to see that through what they wear, right? You know? So... If they're that big, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's level. Some women can kind of hide their little courage, but some women are so big no matter what they wear. I'm just not into big women. You know what I'm saying? I'm not big.
If I can't do this to your waist, you're too big. If I got to do this, I'm good. So if a guy is a surfer, bro, and he's at the beach. That's different. He's at the beach. I'm talking about if you're handling it. Come on. He's an avid traveler. I'm talking about if you're a grown man in the store. grown men with their families.
And you got your wife and you got your kids and you slapping around the house sounding like Nana walking behind me. No, that's some goofy ass shit. That's not manly to me. Because first of all, if some shit pop off, how you going to get busy with some flip flops? I'm going to step on your toes and get busy. So that's dumb. That's not. protective, not putting yourself in a protective way. But like you said, like you're doing, I feel like you just...
I just don't understand what's wrong with it. I just explained it. If you're a man and you're out... out by yourself do what you want i just don't think it's becoming of a man to walk around with house shoes it's just it's just goofy it never was cool and it's not cool now it's cool for women like you you know why because women like you would love to change the narrative
of men because it'll fit your ego. But in reality, a man should not be outside as a warrior, as a protective man, not of just people of his fucking self with his toes exposed. You're a grown man. Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't got to. With the provocative clothing, like, for example, if I go to hot yoga or something and I want to wear leggings and a sports bra because I'm sweating really bad, but it reveals my body as that. Say it again. Repeat it. I'm sorry.
For the provocative clothing topic, if I want to go to my hot yoga class and I have to wear leggings and a sports bra, is it provocative to do that because I need to because I'm like sweating out all my toxins? But it's a hot yoga class. But if I'm walking in like that? I think he means just...
What's your intention and what you're wearing? Like, if you're, like, going to the gym, like, you can wear what you want to be comfortable. But if you're, like, wearing a bra at the grocery store, then, like, what is your intent to wear a bra at the grocery store? Exactly. If I'm out with my children, I'm out with my wife.
I don't want to be flipping, flopping around. It's just stupid. You're not ready to move. You're not ready to run. You're not even physically able to move at a certain pace if something pops off with flip flops on. What the fuck is he talking about? It's a terrorist attack. You got on some Nike flip flops? You can't be having flip flops. What's your kids?
Come on, we flopping outside. You're done. That's crazy. You sound like Nana. When I hear flip-flops, I be thinking, that sound like Nana walking behind me, bro. Not no grown-ass man. Me personally, I don't like grown men walking outside with flip-flops. It's only cool because women said it's cool.
And dudes who care that much about women liking them will do that shit. But I'm not one of those dudes. I'm going to stand up for what's real, whether women like that shit or not. Guys, we're going to do this. We don't have time for a proper roast session. We're going to do a $69 TTS roast session.
If you guys want, just because if it's like $20, $30, we're going to be here all night. So we're going to do $69 TTS row session. If you want, you can get it in. $69 TTS row session. While those are coming in, we're going to do a couple more points. Then we're going to wrap up the show here. So we were talking about like feminism. Oh, really quick. I don't know. War came up earlier.
do you would you you're a feminist right would you be in you believe in equality right because one of the prompts here is it says uh feminism is not about equality you disagreed to about that
Do you believe in, for example, currently the military conscription, selective service, the draft? Do you think women should have to... be drafted well here's my thing i don't like the draft for men or women i don't think either one should have to be drafted i don't think that you should have to potentially die against your will That's my thing. But given the reality that men do have to register for the selective service, should women equally have to register? I suppose if...
I suppose yes. Yeah. But in a perfect world, I don't think that there should be. But the world's not perfect. Yeah. Like there's military conflicts. Yes, yes. Yeah. Okay. Lots of my friends actually willingly went into the military. Yeah, they volunteered. And, you know, they... Had probably not the best experiences in the military as women. But that being said.
I fully supported their choice to want to join. I was super excited for them to want to join the military. So I feel like I would have the same level of excitement for a woman to join the military as a guy. Yes. I just like.
both of those but if i'm saying if there was a situation where i would be happy for a friend of mine to be so currently currently the laws when it comes to selective service women are excluded from having to register for the draft you would be in favor of equalizing this so women could
also be in some wartime scenario they could be drafted you're in favor of this you'd have to be to believe in equality wouldn't you i would be in favor of doing away with the draft yeah but that's not possible why why is that not possible Because if we went to war, we need someone to fight a war. Governments and nations, they're not going to relinquish their right to force its citizenry into a military conflict if the nation needs to be defended.
Here, let me ask you a question, right? Here's a hypothetical scenario. There is an invading army. I don't know, China. I don't know, whatever. Hypothetical. Let's not I'm not even gonna say a nation forget China this invading army is super belligerent and the values of this invading country are totally contradictory to the values of the united states so for example they're like they they're slavery
And if they do invade the country and they win, they're going to SA all the women in the country. Okay. Would you agree that... And here's the scenario. If the government, if the United States forces its males to find the war, that's going to be a tragedy. It's going to be terrible for the men. Many men are going to die, but they will repel this attack from this nation.
If they don't force the men into military service, because let's assume the men are not willing to for whatever reason, the other nation will... have a victory in the military conflict. They're going to kill all the men in the population anyways, and they're going to essay all the women. Do you think that the government should then be able to force its citizenry?
To fight the war. I think in this situation, I would agree that both female and male U.S. citizens should be... No, just men. Wait, what? Just men. No. Your first question was, do you think that women should also have to join the draft? In that situation, yes. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, yes. I would agree because there's plenty of countries that it is unisex for the draft. Right, but not very many. It's pretty rare, but in any case.
So the question is, though, you were arguing, well, it shouldn't be this way. So I was presenting to you a scenario where like, well, should it be this way in this scenario? What I was saying is. I would hope that it wouldn't have to... Yeah, but I wish there was world peace and all this stuff, right? The reality is...
If it was forced and we had someone trying to invade us, then yes, I would agree that we had to do the draft that both women and men who are healthy and don't... No, it would just be men in this example. Oh, wait. It would just be men. I'm having a separate conversation because you're like, oh, the draft shouldn't exist. But I'm like, okay, how about in this scenario?
should the draft exist okay in the situation that we're being actively invaded and not enough people have signed up then yes they have to force they have to force me to fight then i'm then we have to we have to force people to fight yeah Okay. And I would say in that situation, both men and women should be. Wait, you disagree? I disagree. Okay. If you look in history, I disagree with her is what I'm saying. Only because with the fact that both men and women should fight.
said i'm not for i'm not for really feminism i'm a girl's girl you don't want to fight i don't want to fight and not only that if you look in if you look in history if women were there during the war we were all just graped And that's how other cultures and stuff started. Usually they just use us as a tool. We don't fight. We don't do anything. We're just property to another country.
The reason why I was saying that they should is because if we are being actively invaded, I would be thinking about all of the younger girls that would be... Essayed versus I versus me, you know, like if we're talking about actively being invaded. Do you think though? I mean, I'm taking it in a bit of a different direction But like in the scenario that I presented you agree that the men should be drafted
Yes. Okay. And I said in that situation, I also agree that women should be drafted. Yes. Okay. So you do think that women should be drafted then in reality? Yes, in that very rare circumstance of that happening. So the current reality is that men are subject to forced military conscription.
They have to register for the Selective Service. It's a felony if they don't register. There's a fine. They're barred from certain federal programs. They can't get student financial aid. They can't get certain federal jobs. There's some other ramifications that aren't immediately coming to my head.
This is only applicable to men. Only men can be subject to military conscription. Even in peacetime, currently, well, I mean, there's kind of some military conflicts going on in the world. The US is not... Okay, in any case, you believe for the sake of equality as a feminist, right, shouldn't women also be subject to military conscription? Yes.
in this in the situation that you had listed but i don't know just the current okay that that was like i used an extreme example i used an extreme extreme example i'm just asking in the current should they be equally subject to military conscription and i'll even grant to you that most of these women are probably not gonna like just the reality of warfare they're gonna be like I read something once. To have one person in combat requires eight support people.
So to have one person in combat requires eight support people. We don't even have to put the women in combat. They can be doing pencil pusher shit. They can be in support roles far from the front line. Should they be forced into military conscription the way men are? Yes. If we are talking about a draft, it should be both parties. Okay, cool. I do have one kind of different direction thing here with this. How about this scenario? We can see into the future.
Okay, we can see 20 years into the future and we know in 20 years that same army that I described that nation who's barbaric and he's gonna kill all the men and Basically make the women slaves and essay them we can see the future and we say, our population is not big enough to thwart this threat. Now, the only way that we can stop this threat...
Is if we draft the women, not to fight the war, but to birth children. Hold on. To birth children so that in 18, 19, 20 years time when they're fighting age. We can repel the enemy. Do you think we should be able to conscript? Do you think we should be able to? I know it's kind of like a crazy hypothetical. Do you think we should be able to conscript women? In the same way that we can currently conscript men to be forced to go die in war, should we be conscript women to who otherwise...
Some women would volunteer. Yes. I will find men and I will have children because I don't want us to be all killed and SA'd. Some women, though, we have to force some women to have... children would you make that trade um no because because go ahead no no go ahead there are lots of countries that have implemented um
strategies to try and increase birth rate and the united states has done none of those measures so i think if we did then that would you wouldn't have to force anyone you know give free child care give incentives Make it to where it doesn't cost money. The hypothetical scenario entails that this invading nation will win the war in 20 years time because we can see in the future. Will win the war in 20 years time.
unless like all women birth like two children in the next two years that that is such a honestly a ridiculous argument it's it well it's like engage with it What I'm saying is no. No, that is absolutely so immorally wrong to force someone to be pregnant. It is... It would be a form of sexual assault if I'm not correct. So the alternative is that they end up getting sexually assaulted anyways and all the men are put to death. And that should be their choice.
I suppose. It should be women's choice? It should be women's choice. So then why should it be the government's choice as it currently is? Why can the government force men to go and die in a war? I don't want that. to force them yeah i don't agree with that but but it's just no but it's like the reality there's plenty of things that should that are a reality that can be changed if we decide to act on it It would require total consensus from every single person in the world for war to end.
I want to say we'd have to take people off our front lines and that's our protection. So it's a sticky situation. It's just interesting to me. So you as a woman, because in the scenario I provided before, I said just draft the men.
Just draft the men into that war. You're like, well, yes, of course. We should take away men's bodily autonomy. No, I didn't say that. That's literally, you said yes. I said men and women. I said both should be drafted. I never said that only men should be drafted. Yeah, but the scenario. One is involving sex, and that's also a big difference. The difference is that even if women get drafted, just the reality of warfare...
They're not going to put women on the front line, even if they do get drafted. So there's a differential when it comes to bodily autonomy. Forcing people to have children and taking away their right to be able to live the life that they want to so that you can control a potential war in the future. It's not a potential war, it's a...
It's just, there's so many hypotheticals on top of hypotheticals. I know it's a crazy hypothetical. I think most people would rather just leave the United States and leave it to fucking burn, to be honest.
most women so okay the just to be clear here the entailment though of the scenario is uh some women get forced into having children bear in mind they can like still try to find a guy that they would want to have sex with uh they have to have these children whereas if they don't then all the women get essayed anyways And then all the men get put to death. You'd still prefer the. If it was like. If.
Alert came out tomorrow on the global news or on national TV and was like, every woman of 25 and older needs to have two children within the next five years. I'd pack up my shit and leave. I would leave. And I think a lot. of women okay let's assume and you're looking for a little uh loophole here let's assume you've given me an impossible situation and the answer is no there is no situation in which forcing a woman to carry
something that she doesn't want to or forcing her to have sex when she doesn't want to is in any situation ever redeemable. Can I ask you a question? How about a different scenario? There's one woman left on earth. And she doesn't want to have sex. So then the world fucking dies out. I'm glad you're saying this because when she's proven that you're not leaders, we are.
Because when push comes to shove, if you have to do something outside of your natural will for the greater good, you won't do it. And that's cool, but that's just what it is. Because men, no, that's exactly what you're doing. Because if the fate of the country is based on you just saying, hey, we don't want you to allow yourself to get assaulted. Because women, you see couples that may have a surrogate.
Where your wife can't get pregnant and she'll have sex with another guy because he can impregnate her. Women do that all the time. So, am I lying? Women have, some women, men might be sterile or they might have a surrogate or a man that can, you know, they'll use his semen to impregnate the wife sometimes too. I'm just, I'm just, what I'm saying is.
What I'm saying is, women have been in positions where she had sex with someone that's not her choice or her mate for the greater good of something. It may be to have a child with... her gay lover or with her man who's impotent. So that's her allowing her body to be entered for her personal benefit. But when it comes to the benefit of the greater good, she won't do it.
It's about choice. We know, and you made a choice to not be a leader. Own it. I, well, okay. First of all, we're saying the last woman on planet Earth. Now, I was talking about the other scenario when he said... We need people. We're being invaded. We need children. We need young men. So then you look to your allies. We have military alliances for a reason. You gotta own it. You gotta engage with a hypothetical though. You can't be like, well, there's, okay. But we have these set hypotheticals.
for these type of talks, but I didn't know this was going to be a question. I could have come up with a bunch of hypotheticals for this question to shoot right back at you if I had time. The entailment, you leave, the allies, whatever. The entailment requires that the woman would have to do this thing in order to save all the other women. And future women. And then the future women, and then all the men too.
And I can guarantee that there would be women to pick that up if that came to be because they would recognize that. But forcing a woman who does not want to help and does not want to do that, that's her body. You shouldn't force it the same way that the draft shouldn't be forced. It's my same opinion is that it should not be forced. Right, the draft should not... Well, I mean, the government... If...
Pearl Harbor was happening, like, right now again in 2024, and we were having a constant onslaught. When was Pearl Harbor, by the way? Like, 1948. No, it was, I want to say it was, like, 53 or 40. 46? No. Wait. 1946. Are you thinking of the Korean War? Like Pearl Harbor? Oh boy. You know what? Okay. It's been a long time. We don't have the exact dates. By the way, guys, this scenario I provided, I just want to make it clear. I'm not in any way in favor of that scenario.
ever playing out i don't think that should ever be the case it's simply a really insane thought experiment to have um when was world war ii Are you serious? 1960s. Yep. Okay. Yeah, I just want to go with that. Oh, I'm not confirming or denying, but 1960s. Okay. 60s, yeah. Just do decade. What decade? World War II? I think it's like, wait. It's 1940s. I think it's the 40s. Okay. Yeah. I have no idea. Guess. Guess. I don't know. Okay. Somewhere around what they said. Guess. Throughout the decade.
Okay, what about you? My grandpa was in World War II. W? 40s. Or sorry. I don't know. Sorry. You didn't die in it. Yes, get me. I don't know. Guess. Okay, that was beautiful. All right. Okay, I'm moving on. Wait, what's the answer? 1939 to 1945. I said 45. You said 56. No, because I got the number switch. Let's play this back. Last thing with the war. Last thing with the war.
Who's the primary victim of war, men or women? In that war? No, all wars, any war. Are we talking about just casualty deaths? Just total totality. Okay. Probably, it depends on the war, but I guess. How about the Ukraine war? It would be men. World War II. Are we talking about all of the Jews that died? Because I don't know. There's a lot of women that died. They're all men. That's hard. That's hard with that one. I don't know. It's all men. It's all men. It's all men. That's the answer. Men.
Okay, who's the primary victim of four, men or women? Men. I guess men. I don't know. They already answered. They're all men. Oh, okay. Men. Men. And you already answered. Okay. Let's see here. Oh, okay. I swear it's like three more questions. Okay. You can be sexist towards men.
Yes, we've all sat here and pretty much did it. You said yes? Yeah, I said yes. We all sat here and pretty much did it in the beginning. No, because to be sexist, you have to be coming from a position of power. Prejudice plus power. That thing. What about you? What? Can you be sexist towards men? Yeah. Can you explain the prejudice plus power thing? Well, it's like, for example, racism.
to be racist technically you have to be coming from a position of power me that's not true me doing something that may be hurtful to you would not be Technically. Racist. Prejudice. Wrong. Immoral. Yes. But racist? No. I have a question. So someone says like a racial slur to you. Does that not make them racist because it didn't hurt your feelings? Is that what you're saying?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the person that is portraying or eliciting these things, they have to be coming from a position of power. So I don't mean necessarily... Here, let me do a quick example. to try to move things along here. Okay, Barack Obama, when he was president, he had a white janitor. This is hypothetical. This isn't actually real.
Systemic power. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. So Barack Obama, when he was president, he had a white janitor. He fires the white janitor because the janitor was white. Is that racist? It's prejudice. Wrong. Wait, hold on. You just said the definition of racism is prejudice plus power. Systemic power. Yeah, the system of the executive branch of the United States government, which is the most powerful country in the world.
African-American people do not have systemic power. Overall, we do not have systemic power. Mexican-American people do not have systemic power. It's not racist. It's wrong. Not racist. Barack Obama. African-American, yes or no? Yes. Okay. Barack Obama, president, most powerful man in the world.
and of the most power president leader of the most powerful country in the world he's in a place of power but he does not have systemic power what do you mean he literally controls the government system he's the You know, let me ask you a question. Is the executive branch of the government a system? Yes. Is Barack Obama a African-American man?
Okay. No, no, no. You got to answer the question. Yes, yes. Okay. So the executive branch of the government is a system. Barack Obama, an African-American man, was the leader. of a system the executive branch How is that not? Let me give you another example. So if I have a boss and he is Latino and he fires me because he's black just because he is higher up than me does not mean that that was racist. So it was wrong. It wasn't.
right he would get in trouble for it but wait it's not racist it wasn't wait not racist no it wasn't racist it was prejudiced because it wasn't Systemic. What can I ask this? Systematic racism is one thing and racism is another. I can say I don't like you because you're this or whatever. That doesn't mean I have the power to change your life. I can say I don't like nobody in here because of their color.
But if it can't impact how they move and how they can take care of themselves, there's no power behind it. The power in it is I'm hurting your feelings. Systematic racism is when they create redlining and unfair banking.
to prevent people from upward mobility. Those are not the same things. What the hell is you talking about? I want to say racism is just ignorance. It's not power. It's just of like not knowing. Yeah, systematic racism is not the same as racism. You are ignorant to people. You don't want to understand. understand other sides. You just took out a whole group. Can I ask you a question? Sure. Hypothetical scenario. A group of black men beat up
A white person because he's white. Is that racism? It's wrong, but they are not racist. Okay. And then, so... I'm trying to figure out the hierarchy. I'm just saying technically. What about like if, what if he's Asian? Let's look up a definition. I think she's talking about the actual definition versus what people's interpretation of the word is. A group of Asian men beat up a black person. because he's black, is that racist? No.
So wait, a group of white people... I'm going off of the definition. So if you want to be technical, that's true. A group of white people beat up a black person racist, right? So is the only group that can be racist towards black people then is white people? We're in the U.S. Huh? I'm a mixed kid and that is not true. This conversation is just taking... We're gone. I'm not trying to speak for you, but I think you're talking about the literal definition of racism.
versus prejudice. I'm talking about the literal definition. So if I were to go over there and slap her just because I say I don't like white people, that's not racist. I'm talking about the literal Definition. What is a literal definition? That's what I just said. Look it up. But what is racist to you? What is racist to you? Look up the definition. I'm not asking to look up the definition. Obviously I can, but I'm asking you. Go off, please.
I'm asking you, what is your definition of racism? Just look up the definition. I'm black. I don't need to look up the definition of racism. what is your what is your not i'm telling you to look up the definition and read it okay but don't come at me what is your your definition not the dictionary's definition Dictionary. Not the dictionary. No, I wasn't correcting. We got it. What is it? What you got? Because what she's saying is really disturbing because it's like the boy who cried wolf.
There's real racist situations that'll be ignored because of the goofy shit you just said. That don't make no damn sense. Systematic racism. If I'm black and somebody from the neighborhood that's white and we say, yo, get out of here, white boy, and beat them up.
That's racist. Is it systematically racism? No, because we don't have a system backing us to prevent them from upward mobility. But discriminating anybody based on race, gender... or any that's it's discrimination it's racism because it's based on their race it's discrimination when you're saying i don't like you because i don't like what you're wearing i don't like your shirt that's discrimination but if i'm doing it basically solely based on race it's racism
So racism, prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group. typically one that is minority or marginalized. The belief that different races possess distinct
characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. So what are you talking about? Okay, now look up who can be racist. Anybody. Anybody can be racist. You tell us. No, you tell us. No, I'm asking you to look it up. We don't have to. I'm asking you to look it up. Use your brain. Everybody can be racist. No, no, no, but it's your claim. It's your claim. Who can be racist? Black people.
I already told you. You're racist based on the goofy shit you just said. You don't make no damn sense. You just said that white people are going to be racist. That don't make no sense. Let's not attack each other on this. That's just goofy though because people are going to be getting messed up over real racism. This is not it. Into the mic. Wait. Why don't you just, here, why don't you tell us who can be racist? I already said my opinion. Here, I'll ask them. Can Asian people be racist?
I'm not going to say anything else because you guys are attacking me, so it doesn't really matter what I have to say. I'm asking for clarification. No, don't do that because you're like... Oh, you don't want anything from me over here. I'm just, I'm going to let you have it. Okay, guys, guys. So, okay.
Just answer the question. I'm not attacking you. No, I think I'm done with that. I'm trying to understand your worldview. Okay. Can Asian people be racist? I told you I'm done. Well, that's intellectual cowardice. No, because... How about a different question? Well, okay, fine, fine. Do you view the word prejudice in the way that he said... That was the definition. Wait. Hold on. Can I... No, go ahead. Thank you. You said...
Racism versus systematic racism in your comparison. And she said racism versus prejudice. Do you align your version of prejudice to his version of regular racism? Correct. That's what I'm trying to say. You guys are talking about. the same thing just using different words. They're definitely not talking about the same thing. That's that sisterhood shit. That's the sisterhood. They're definitely not talking about the same thing. I know I'm saying that.
But that's the shit they be trying to do. You want to tag her in because you're trying to defend her. Let her defend her whole argument. She didn't make no fair answer. She didn't make no sense. Exactly. I'm not making sense. What I was taught. in school was that racism is systematic we're still going that is wrong it is wrong all right 100 wrong this is 2024 it is wrong it go off that is wrong what did you learn on your own
Do you have a library? Have you Googled anything? Have you bought a book to teach you what it is instead of just listening to what people say? Like, what study have you done on your own? Two black people versus one black person. That's why I asked you to look up the definition. We did. And we just read it to you. That wasn't my notes.
I gotta sit this one out. Well, obviously. No, I'm good, man. I'm good. Shit. I'm tired. Here, but this all stemmed from, because I just asked, can you be sexist towards men? And you said no. And you said it's the same way how you can't be racist towards white people or black people. We'll move off of the race thing. Let's go to the sexist thing. Let's say a company...
a company that's owned by women, they refuse to hire men. Is that sexist? It's wrong. She literally can't. Wait, hold on. That's the system. It's the mindset. You literally, like, okay.
it's discriminatory wait so just to be clear let's say this is a publicly this company is a public let's do let's go ahead and split this this company is a publicly traded company it's worth billions of dollars the board is made up entirely of women they control the board they they are all in the hr department they handle all the hiring they refuse to hire men
Is that sexist? I think I already told you my answer. So... I don't know how else to actually, like... articulate this so you don't think those women have power so these are The board of directors, all the women on the board of directors, they're millionaires. And they're looking to hire a male janitor who's... I'm not saying that they don't have power. Hold on. So these women...
These women are all millionaires. They're all on the board of directors, okay? And they're looking to hire a male janitor, right? But they refuse to because, and this man... He's an immigrant, and he's living in poverty. Who has the power in this situation? Based off of... How I learned... No, no, no, no. Not what you learned. Listen to the words I'm saying.
Like put it, put it through your mind here. I already told you that the women have the power in this situation. Yeah. So, but this meets your own definition, right? So I'm even like using your definition. I disagree with your definition, but I'm using your definition. You said prejudice plus power. You just granted that the woman have the, you grant, right? That the women in this situation have the power, correct? So this meets your definition, right? So you must concede that this is sexism.
I think we can just agree to disagree. This is like crazy. I'm glad people said this is on some Manchurian candidate shit. As you can see, this feminism shit is a demonic spirit, yo. This is my control. This is my control. It has nothing to do with feminism. It has nothing to do with feminism. I want to test the logic. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I want to test the logic a little here. Let's use a different country. So a white person goes to China. Can they be racist towards him?
No. Whoa, that's the definition like a white one race like It's not. Maximism is racism. Racism. Racism. There's more than one race. Let's stop calling it common sense. It's uncommon sense. Okay. Wait. Hold on. Hold on. So a white person goes to China. Who has all the power in China? Chinese people or white people? Okay. They have all the power. They have all the systemic power, right? The Chinese people have systemic power in China. Can't believe I'm even saying this.
A white person goes to China. Can the Chinese be racist towards the white person? Yes, yes. You literally just said no. I thought you said, could the white person be racist towards the Chinese person? Oh, okay. All right. At least you're somewhat consistent. in your worldview, because I was about to say that'd be ridiculous. Yeah, sorry, I misunderstood. Okay, so if a white person goes to Africa, would this also apply?
And like an African country that's like 99.99% black. Can the black people be racist in that African country, racist to the white person in that country? Correct. Okay, at least you're consistent in this application here. So is there any, I assume then for you, there's no country in which a woman can be sexist towards men. Not that I know of. Okay. So I'm just confused here, though. So what about a country where the woman is the head of state?
Does that change the power dynamic in that country? Well, I suppose it could still be patriarchal, even if with a woman out of state. Well, could it? I don't know. This is... Wait. Okay. The richest woman in the world, who probably got it through divorce, but the richest woman in the world, she's looking to hire a Mexican immigrant. To do... What's the term for it? Labor? Yard work. Labor. Landscaping? Landscaping, thank you. Hires a Mexican immigrant, a male Mexican immigrant.
to do oh great but now it's gonna get like intersectional and you're gonna be like oh but he's a mexican immigrant so okay in this okay okay okay who has the power in that situation The woman is hiring the immigrant. Okay, fuck. I should not have introduced the immigrant. Okay. The richest woman in the world hires... A white man from a middle class background to do landscaping for her. Who has the power? Whereas what race is the woman? I'm confused. She's white. And it's a white man.
The situation in terms of employment, the woman does. But she refuses to hire him because, I don't know where all these female landscapers are, but she refuses to hire him because he's a man. Is that... My answer is going to be the same. It's discrimination. Actually, my previous example was better. This company, the whole board is women. and they're looking to hire a janitor, but they refuse to hire a male janitor because he's male. Is that sexist? Sorry, I repeat the question? Okay.
How about this? Let me reverse it. A company that all of them, everybody on the board of directors, they're all male. They're looking to hire... A cleaning lady. Somebody to clean the office. But they refuse to hire a female cleaning lady because she's a woman. Is that sexist? Yes, they're all male. So why is it different when women do it to men? I don't know how else to like...
This is dangerous because there's people that really think like this in the world and will fuck somebody's life up with this dumbass rhetoric. This shit is crazy. You're talking about feminism, and I heard you say that feminism is like witchcraft. No, I said witchcraft. she's talking about and this mentality that she has and other women have where they can stand in the face of logic and say no is demonic to me. That's my statement. I'm standing
It's demonic. Did you just call me demonic? It's demonic. It's under my control. It doesn't make no damn sense. Can we not call each other names? I said, it's demonic. The mind state is demonic. You're not demonic. You're not a demon. But that mind mentality, when you can say... Women imposing their power is not sexist, but men doing it is sexist. That's extremely biased. Last one. Last one. Let's say, I know you were probably very upset that Trump won. I'm sorry.
I know you were very upset. Hey, why is this visible here? We should not have these hats visible. Do you want a hat? I'm straight, man. Okay. Trump didn't win the election, right? Kamala wins. Same scenario. She's looking to hire a janitor in the White House. She refuses. Kamala Harris she won the presidency she refuses to hire a man because he is a man And he's applying for a janitor position is that sexist?
Are you asking me? Yeah, I'm obviously asking you. Oh, no, you were looking that way. Oh, I'm just looking into the distance. My answers are still going to be the same. Yeah, just answer the question. Different questions, but they all have the same answer. Just answer the question. It's the same answer. Yeah, what's the answer? It's the same thing. So no. No. Is it no? Yes, it's the same thing. So Kamala Harris.
who is in charge of the executive branch of the United States government, which is a system. She's the most powerful, arguably the most powerful person in the world now that she's president. United States, most powerful country in the world. Leader. of said country she has the power she has the prejudice it meets your own i'm using your own definition of sexism how is she not sexist I already told you This is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance
So, I'm using your definition. She can't even save her. No, it's alright. You can't keep saving her. You can't save her. Okay, here, try to help her. Phone a friend. that you can obviously be sexist to men. And I think that based off of on the basis of sex, which we know was solidified in our, I guess, legislator by Ruth Gator. ruth bader ginsburg that being said i think what the disconnect is verbiage because sometimes people have different verbiage of
of what they interpret as prejudice versus racism versus systematic racism. No, but I'm using her definition. I'm literally using her definition. And she won't even grant it. She will not even grant it. What would you call that?
like situation I suppose what would I call it yeah like if it's crazy like if it wasn't if it wasn't what word would you use instead of sexist I suppose is this the first like just curious i'm not trying to be mean is this the first time you've ever heard like a dissenting opinion on this I've heard, yeah, different. And by the way, I know like maybe as a white man, but you've had two African-American individuals. Do you guys prefer black? Do you prefer black?
sorry i'm i'm really white so i don't know what doesn't matter i mean for the sake of this conversation I have my opinion on that. I don't like black and white. No one's really literally black. No one's literally white. But that's a whole other conversation. Yeah, I'm kind of like pink. Yeah, I'm brown. People need to identify me properly as a pink person.
I'm a pink person. I'm retarded. Now, you would not do well on a date with her. I'm sorry. It's okay. I'm a little tizzdick. Lettism. Now, okay, so it's just like... Using your own definition, even then, you won't even grant it. That's extreme bias. That's sexist. Yeah, it is kind of like to say It's obvious like what your mindset is fixated on
Men are the problem. And no matter what argument comes to you, because me, I'll act yes to it. I never said men are the problem. You ain't got to say it. You saying it without saying it. You don't need to say it. You literally, we gave you two scenarios that are identical and you couldn't say, yeah, that woman's being sexist. You couldn't say it. So that means your mind is already fixated and made up that women can never be imposed any type of.
on men. Your mind is already made up. Your bias is held. Own it. If there's a country where women have majority power. That's not the point. No, no, no, no. No, no. You said that in every case that I would be sexist towards men. So if women had majority power... He just gave you a scenario of that and you still denied it.
We've all seen it. She's saying that even if Kamala won the presidency, there would still be a patriarchy. It would still be men in power. But do you agree that there's micro and macro level stuff? Like, for example... um like there's the societal there's the like i guess the societal systemic level sexism but isn't there individual level sexism yeah i could agree to that like for example um if i i don't know how many other ways i can put this if uh a guy
A guy didn't want to be in a room alone with a woman because he had a fear of woman because of a previous bad experience. Would that be sexism? Wait. I don't know if you'll find that compelling. So like a woman did something to him. No, he heard stories of women falsely accusing men of a crime, and for this reason, he doesn't want to be in a room alone with her. With any women. Is that sexist?
I don't know. I wasn't sure if you would buy it on that. I don't know how else to tackle this, to be honest. it is kind of like sexist in and of itself to say like like wouldn't it be sexist to be to say like you can't be racist towards black people like that would be racist in and of itself right
It's like when Joe Biden said, if you're not black, if you don't vote for me, you're not black. And mad black people wasn't offended. That was racist as hell. You know what I'm saying? To say that, that you have the audacity to say that. So I think this is a very simple, basic. concept and the fact that you're fighting it to death is like I'm not saying that it's not for lack of better words a form of racism what I'm saying is that based on the definition that that I know
Technically, technicalities, it's not. But I used your definition. So in a scenario where there's a company that's predominated by women. The women hold the power in the company and they're refusing to hire a male janitor because he's a male. How would that not be? Eat and meet your definition of sexism. Because you have the two criteria. Power plus prejudice. Are they prejudiced? Yes. Do they have power? Yes.
Yeah, but in the overarching landscape of things, they don't have the power. They have the power in the company. So I'll even use your word, systemic power. Which system are we talking about? There's different kinds of systems, right? So let's say a major corporation that has 100,000 employees. Is that a system? Sure, yeah. What about the university system?
is that a system yeah okay now let's assume in the university system it's like all women who somehow they get control of the university system and now that they have control over admissions they refuse to like allow men into university would this be sexism I would say yes, just because they have the power to... They all had the power.
But it's affecting many people. Huh? What do you mean? It's affecting many people. Well, they're just like refusing to allow in. What school do you want to? All right. You went to college, right? Yeah. What college you went to? She had a master's. She had a master's? I have a master's, but I think she said she had a master's. I think there's this... What's that saying about like...
You have to be this educated. I don't know. What's that chat? What's that saying? What's that saying? I need a drink. Double shot. Okay. So wait, really quick, in that example I just provided, would you grant that that would be sexist? Yes. But the society is still a patriarchy. Is it still sexist? But these women control this specific system.
So they're still in the US or? Yeah, it's in the United States. So there's still a patriarchy. There's, yeah, still a patriarchy. Donald Trump's president, but... All the women in the, are you familiar with the university, the UC system? Yeah. The UC system, just like somehow women get control in the UC system here in California, and they're refusing to allow men to enroll in university. Is that sexism?
okay i will say this that i answer the question first then say that i'll allow you to say it but answer the question first then say it based on the definition that i know of No, but I would say that it is a sexist act Wait, it's a what? Wait, it's a what? I feel like we should let it go. It's a sexist act. A sexist... Okay, you've just introduced... But no. A sexist act. Wait, a sexist... I see your words out. Wait, wait, wait. It's a verbiage difference here. It's a verbiage. It's awesome.
I had a two-hour drive home. No, because you guys are kind of going back and forth, and I really genuinely feel like it's just verbiage of difference. It's a huge difference. Words matter. Because if you want, y'all all of college. And I'm not saying that they don't, but I'm just saying that's what I'm saying.
Let's be grown. Let's be real here. Everybody gave off their beautiful educational credentials. Can you go to your professor and change the definition or is it what the fuck he asked you to do? Yes or no? Yes or no. If he said, I want you to do a paper on U.S. The Boston Tea Party. Can you redefine what aspect of Boston he's talking about? Or redefine what flavor of tea he's talking about? Or do you have to talk about the exact Boston Tea Party? Yes or no college educated women? What is that?
famous like yes or no college educated women do you can you tell your professor well i was talking about new england not necessarily boston but foxborough what is that famous professor that was all over youtube So it would be a sexist act, but it wouldn't be sexism I can't wrap it. So the color purple is a biopic, huh? What? The color purple, that was a biopic to you? Like that was real?
Because based on your logic, like somebody could say anything. I'm saying that it's sexist, but in the terms of the actual definition, it can't be. Wait, that's even... Wait, what? I would hate to be... Because women do not have the power. Is this why you've only met your girlfriend once? Wait, repeat that. Like long days. It has to be long days. Chat, chat, chat. Did you catch that? Wait, so you just said. You just said. it would be sexist but it's also not the definition of sexism
Let's look that up, because we looked up racism. Let's look up racism. Honestly, I don't think she even knows. It's just, it's like, I don't, it's... This is the modern, this is the feminist shit. It has nothing to do with feminism. You can't mix the two things. It's the whole twisted version of the shit. No, it has nothing to do with feminism. Because we just gave you the definition of racism and you're arguing with us. That has nothing to do with feminism.
It does. It's different forms of it. It separates them. I fuck with y'all form. The way she learned about it is wrong. It's from an extremist perspective. And she's taking that and running with it. That's what I'm saying. She's an extremist. There's levels of feminism. You can be pro-black and you can be like this. You can be somebody that's... There's levels of everything. You can be somebody that's proud to be an American, and then you can be a white supremacist.
It might start from the same place, but it's an extreme version of it, and there's a relatable version of it. Most of you are talking about a relatable form of feminism. She's expressing, which a lot of women in this world do, especially America, an extreme version. of feminism. That's beyond reason that will get somebody's life in danger. I don't care how soft you say it. It's still as dangerous as me yelling.
That has nothing to do with... It has everything to do with it. No, it has... They're two totally different things. Stop putting words in my mouth. We just gave you the definition of racism. We gave you the definition. And you argued with it. You argued with the definition. What is the litmus test for definition of... to you. A woman? A woman? Or Webster's Dictionary? Because you brought up someone we never heard of, but the dictionary version don't mean shit. Don't mean shit.
What I said from the beginning was based off the definition that I learned. According to that, according to that, yes. If you learn something wrong, then you learn something wrong. You know what I learned growing up in Newark, New Jersey? That people who don't look like me hate me automatically. I learned that growing up in Newark, that yo, down south. Wait, can you hold on for a second? Please don't call me sweetheart. Whatever.
Whatever. What's your name? Pumpkin. No, I'm going to call you ma'am. Ma'am. Ma'am. Ma'am. Ma'am. Don't call me anything. Cupcake. Ma'am. Cupcake. Ma'am. Cupcake. Miss. Miss. Ma'am. Sweetie. Whatever. What I'm saying is... I grew up thinking that if I go down south, because I live in Charlotte. I'm from Newark, New Jersey. I grew up thinking that if you live under the Mason-Dixon line, most people in rural America are racist. That's what I was taught.
But my experience showed me that that's a lie. So once new information comes into my life, what mature people do is discard the nonsense and stick to what matters. What immature people do is stick to something ideological because it... affirms their feelings. That's what children do. You're grown as hell.
Excuse me, because what I just said is based on that definition that those things are correct. I want to say, I'm over this. I didn't talk about this for like 45 minutes. I didn't. And it's not going to change. it is we're we're getting any i don't think that we're getting anywhere at all with this conversation i think that we're just like at all like i'm saying i had a two-hour drive back me too sweetheart it's two in the morning i'm tired
We get it. We get it. Women can do no wrong. I just would hate to be on trial and do it. Let's just not... be calling each other names, or, you know, we can have, like, a respectful conversation about it. I called the sweetheart. He called everybody. He called everybody. He called everybody. He called everybody. Even when I was mad at him, he called the sweetheart. Oh, no, I wasn't talking about this. I wasn't talking about this.
because people's lives really get messed up with this type of thinking. People really get jeopardized with this type of thinking. He said that it was demonic thinking. He didn't say she was demonic. He said the way that she's thinking is demonic. He did correct himself.
I said it. I'm standing on that shit. That mentality is demonic because people can really be affected by that. It's like the boy who cried wolf. And when people take that rhetoric that you kicking, somebody can really get their life. jeopardize because of that because they don't want to make a substantial claim on what it is at the sake of upholding this fake false feminist power that you're trying to hold.
real quick how many times have he been on the show though first time okay let me say something because when you asked me all of these questions it was based off of my definition, correct? I recognize that that is what Google or wherever you looked up the definition says. Who has the power to define? Who has the power to define in this world? What systems have the power to define?
I'm asking you, when you was in college, who had the power to define words when you were actually doing your reports and papers? Were you allowed to just take any ambiguous definition from any Tom Dick? No, of course not. Were there specific sources that you had to cite when you did your work? Yes or no? Of course, it came from the dictionary or wherever. So what the hell are you talking about today? So what are you talking about today?
Just say I don't mess with men like that. And I'll accept that. But don't hit me with that bullshit, sweetheart. Don't call her sweetheart. Oh, I'm sorry. How dare her. How dare you. What should he call you? Nothing. Just don't call me anything. Or call me by my name. Just call you it? It is still something, so no. Call me by my name. Really quick, does this also apply to hate crimes? Good question. When it comes to your definition of sexism, right?
Could a black person commit a hate crime against a white person? No, that's different. Okay, so yes, they can? Right, yes. I hate crime could be committed against anyone. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. Final thing here, final thing here. I, so, it's, I wrote. It's not straight for a man to date a trans woman. And then you two disagreed. I disagreed because a trans woman is now a woman. And you disagreed too?
For a man to date a trans woman, he's straight. I don't think we're going to change anyone's opinion who holds that to be a belief, right? But like she was saying, there's a biological. Yes. Science. Yes. Right. However, I do think that if you alter yourself, to be a woman and you believe in your heart of hearts that that is the right path for you i believe that that's perfect for here's the thing it doesn't matter because i'm it has nothing to do with me why should i
Yuck, someone else is young. That's my thing. If I have a pet pit bull, right, and I think she's hot.
and I think my pit bull hold on I got a pit bull I have a pit bull I have a pet pit bull right hypothetically if I have a pet pit bull that identifies as a girl pit bull oh my god no that I identify as a woman if I have sex with a pit bull is that bestiality or am I with a woman that pit bull is not they can't make that decision oh yeah yeah we can't talk about this right it's like YouTube TOS to like talk
the prior question though is like so okay a trans woman is a woman do you agree with that yes trans woman is a woman yes can I actually say something because I actually think oh one second let me just ask this question And I think both of you actually said no. You didn't disagree with this. But would it be wrong for a man to refuse to date a trans woman?
Because she's trans. Oh, I see what you're going with this. No, that's his preference. That's his choice. But you do think that it would be a man dating a trans woman. You do think it's straight. I do believe that it's straight because they are now a woman. And I know that that triggers a lot of people. Are they female? That triggers a lot of people. Are they female?
They're not biologically female. They're non-biologically female. But they're a woman. See, this is my issue with extreme feminism because it ultimately takes us... What does it do to you if someone wants that? Listen, I'm not trying to convince you. I'm talking... to the people. My problem with extreme feminism is ultimately taking man and woman away from nature.
It's taking us away from natural understanding and natural phenomenon just to fit a narrative to make people feel empowered at the expense of natural and nature and natural situations. It just doesn't make sense. You're a guy that likes guys. You're just gay. What's wrong with just...
being gay. What's wrong with a woman who likes women? She's just gay. You're not a man and she's not a woman. It has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of it. It has to do with chromosomes. A man and a woman is just a label that we created. What about intersex people? So what makes me different from you? Take away the label of man and woman. Take away the label of man and woman. Am I different from you? Yes. Why? Why am I different from you?
What makes me different from you? Many things. Like what? Your personality? No, besides, no, physical stuff. Reproducing. You're taller. I'm sorry. Likely have male parts. What's a male part? You're a male. What's a male? biologically versus okay don't save her don't save her i had made i had made a point that you kind of ran over and that's intersex people who are born intersex that does happen and that's when testes are inside of basically
where women can be born with testes. An anomaly. Yes, but what you're saying is nature. You're the master of anomalies. You're saying nature versus and my argument is nurture versus nature right this entire like back and forth that we've had that being said there are plenty of circumstances in nature where that go against your your rule for example of course a lot of anomalies no not not anomalies just within
Hedgehogs, for example. No, no, no, no, no. I know people are going to be laughing here. It's about power. No, it's not about power. It's something that... I think you just feel threatened, right? You just feel very... She's talking. I'm not threatening sweetheart at all. Not in the least. Can we finish? Hedgehogs. will have sex with other men in, in, with other male hedgehogs. Hedgehogs. Hedgehogs. No, no, no, no. Hedgehogs.
are observed in nature plenty of certain plenty of times to be homosexual we also have komodo dragons that can reproduce prove these points is just silly. No, because you're saying nature. Things that are found in nature. So if you're a business owner, right? It's the same argument that people say that being gay isn't natural. There's plenty of circumstances where in nature, where...
Other animals that have no consciousness of ours, who don't care about politics, are caught being homosexual. So a lion is political? So most animals are political? No, I would say that no animals are political, only humans. So what about the animals that deal with men, male and female? They're political or that's just being themselves? Y'all sound crazy as hell. No, no, no, okay.
What I'm saying is... Articulation does not equate to intelligence. Your argument is things and nature should... For the most part. Okay, so now you're saying for the most part. I mean, because that's reality. If you're a business owner, let me give you an example. You have a business, right? Right now, Brian has a dope podcast. If he realizes that most of his subscribers are from...
America and he has a little bit in Africa is he's going to focus his business plan towards america i do got some or i'm just for example you're going to focus your business on where you're thriving the most you're not going to ignore this thriving uh market of people purchasing your product just to focus on
12 people over here. If you did that in business, it'll be stupid. But in these conversations, because it's about being right, not making really real sense. Y'all would focus on the small minority abnormal. anomaly just to win an argument. That shit is petty as hell. And just because you can articulate it doesn't mean it's intelligence or logic or reason. It just sounds very good. Speaking well does not mean you know what you're talking about. There is logic.
and there is reason to that argument. Two men cannot make life. Why are you bashing her to make your point? And the other thing is why are we even talking about this on a dating podcast? It was a dating podcast.
Hold on. Why are we talking about half of these topics on a dating podcast other than just saying... Hedgehogs are very related. We're talking about... homosexuality in nature that is what my point was is that it does happen in nature anyway okay fine i'll bring it back so my my question like first was like about well Is it wrong if a guy doesn't? Because this is something that comes up. And I've heard some trans activists say, yeah, it actually is transphobic if a...
Cis, I hate that fucking word, but cis male refuses to date a transgender woman. I don't think that's anybody's position here. But the secondary question is, well, is it straight? i don't think it is i actually want to to get to to my point sure i i think if you consider them a woman if you consider her a woman and you are a male then you are still straight. If you consider that person a male still, sorry, a man, still, yes, then you are not straight. And I will leave that up to the man.
in the relationship okay so you're saying no one else yeah no one else can decide whether he is straight or homosexual other than him i'm going to give you a hypothetical here to test the logic so let's say There's outside parties who are privy to the nature of this sexual relationship. So if you, if you, well, I don't know, maybe asking you isn't the best idea, but like, let's say we could like.
We got binoculars and we're being fucking voyeurs. And I see a trans woman who still has a penis having... um what's uh getting having uh anal sex with another male how would this not just definite How would it not be homosexual? Why do you think so much about other people's genitals? That's my question. That's a great... Why? Why are you thinking so much about other people's genitals? I think he's asking for his training. I would also... I think about large labia.
occasionally i think about that but i don't frankly i don't think about this i mean that's a great way to try to like obfuscate like try to move away from the actual argument that's being had so why don't you engage with the actual argument instead of just like trying to divert the art
I understand your argument, but I would also say that a woman, a biological woman and a male could also... participate in anal sex i could wear a strap and i could strap a man okay so hold on he's not a man that's your opinion but i'm just saying that it's a possibility So, okay. So, just to be clear, here's the scenario. So, can a transgender woman, you say that's a woman,
Is she still a woman if she has a penis? Yeah, she identifies as a woman. Hold on. If she has a penis, is she still a woman? She's a woman, right? Yeah, she identifies as a woman. She identifies it, but she has a penis, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. But she's also not, well. it's still a male you'll grant me that correct yeah but hold on yeah yeah but so transgender woman still male right okay so when we say homosexual we mean what
Will you grant me this? Homosexual is a same-sex relationship. Agree? Okay, so you've just conceded the argument, a male and a male having sex is homosexual. She identifies as a woman. No, we're not talking about gender, we're talking about sex, right? So you would agree that a transgender woman has not changed her sex, correct?
Correct. Homosexual means same-sex relationship. Based on what definition? You can argue that they've changed their gender, but you can never argue that they've changed their sex, correct? Correct, but I would... So if that's the case, they would be in a homosexual relationship, correct? That's your opinion? It's not my opinion. No, no, no, no. If someone identifies as being, you know, if someone says, no, I view them as a woman and they are my partner.
You just going around and calling them gay, what is that accomplishing? I don't think they're going around. My thing is this. What is this conversation? My question is this. If a guy wants to have sex with someone. who's trans, he's going to, and he's not going to care what any of us at this table think. We get it, but we've got, you don't have a child, I have a daughter, so I care what people think. Without lauding the order, we need things to be conclusive, to have a...
affirm civilization. If we took y'all logic and applied it to everything, we would be in utter fuckery. Because I can say, hey, professor, you told me I got an F. But I really think this is an A. Because I identify this F as an A. Would that logic make sense in that scenario? Yes or no? Why not?
I identify this failed report card as a passing grade. Is that failed report card a living, breathing being? No. Maybe we should look it up, but sexuality is how you identify yourself, correct? No, that's what they told you. Just for the sake of the argument, I'm willing to grant that there's a... I don't actually believe this, but I'll grant it for the sake of being charitable. I'll even grant that...
that sex and gender are different. I'll even grant it. I'll grant it that your gender can change. You can identify as a woman. I'll grant it for the sake of the argument. But you already conceded that these people are not changing their sex. And you concede this too. I didn't say anything, actually. Oh, well, let me ask you also then. I didn't say anything. Let me ask you. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. So, transgender woman, is she male or female? I believe that she is female. She is female.
A transgender... Wait. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm actually really tired. Born what... Okay, it's a transgender woman used to be a man. Yes. So... Was male, is still male. Do you grant that? No, I believe that she is female. So they change their... can you change your chromosomes if if they legally change that's a question for her go ahead i personally believe that if you go through
all of the bullshit of having to come out to your family, go through all of those treatments, fucking do injections every single fucking day. Take parts of yourself. Yeah, fucking call yourself whatever you want at the end of the day after that. You've earned it more than I have. Hold on. I'm just going to go ahead and grant that that's a woman. Is it a female?
If they call themselves female, then yeah, they are. That's what I feel. That's how I feel. That's what I view it as. Even from trans activists, I don't hear that they're female. Do you know what sex is? Do you know what chromosomes are? Okay, so they're... What is a woman? Okay, chromosomes. If we're talking about chromosomes, yes, they still have male chromosomes. So they're female or male?
Is a trans woman a male or a female? They are biologically still male, but how we perceive... If they're biologically male, they can't be female. You cannot be... It doesn't work like that. How we perceive them and how they want to be perceived, I don't think it's really... I already granted to you that they can be... I don't believe it, but I'll grant to you for the sake of argument that they can be a woman, but I'm trying to tackle, pin down, if you'll...
Why does that matter, though? Because it's, well. Well, why does it, though? That's what I'm asking. Why does it matter to you? Why does it matter in any of these questions if you're not planning on dating a trans woman and no one at this table is planning on dating a trans man? Why does it matter to you? Because if a man gets approached, this is why it matters. Easy. This is why it matters. Because if a man that's a straight man gets approached.
by a trans woman and tells her no and other people say that's discrimination, that's why these conversations matter. And it's not even that. It might not matter to us. It might not matter to him. But there's people watching right now where it does matter because they are transgender and these things are happening. to them so we can sit here and not talk about it but it deserves to be talked about can a trans woman get pregnant bye man
I think that they actually are doing... Hey, hold on, hold on. I think that they're doing a uterus. That is something that is happening. They're doing uterus implants, and it's done by, I believe, stem cell research. That is something... the same thing of cutting-edge technology of women being able to procreate without men. These things do exist. Hold on. Absent that surgical intervention, can trans women get pregnant? No.
Okay. All right. Really quick going around the table. What is a woman? I don't want to answer this. Okay. I genuinely believe a woman. A woman is a woman. Like I do believe it comes down to. You can't, that's so circular. You can't change it. It's a circular definition. You have to, you can't like define woman without using the word woman.
She has a vagina originally when she's born. You can identify as a woman, but I wouldn't say that you technically are a woman born a woman. What is a woman? I believe that a woman is... I could get all poetic. I could be like, women are beautiful, women are light, women are, you know, all of the things, but it doesn't really matter. You could say that about men too. Actually, I couldn't, especially the men at this table right now. Okay, cool. Thank you. So anyways.
why don't you actually attempt to answer the question what is a woman i think a woman is someone who identifies as Okay, I'm not allowed to say. Do you think that, is it okay if they have boobs? Is that safe to say? You need to be able to take semen and make a baby come out. I can't even do that. And I'm fucking a biological woman. Because you have an illness. Yeah, but does that make me any less of a woman?
but you have an illness. You have something that's not natural happening to you. That's not natural to have lupus. No offense. So that's not acting like that's an, you're still talking about anomalies and trying to make them normal. Women are of the nature. to be able to give birth not of course not all some women have medical problems some women are you know they're older a 50 uh 70 year old woman she can't she can't gone through menopause can't have children she's still a woman
But she can't bear children either. Yeah, she's still a woman. Because she has an illness. But being old is not an illness. No, I'm saying. But your eggs, after a while, she don't have any more eggs. But she's still a woman. But she still has a vagina. So take away the ability to have children. They don't have vaginas. I'm not talking about a slit that they cut. That's not a vagina. And if you want to tell people that, that's crazy. When we're being formed in the womb, we are...
The same up until a certain point. Let me ask the rest of the table. What is a woman? A woman is what is defined by the person. What is a woman? Double X chromosome. Okay. Agreed with her, double X. The same. Can a man get pregnant? To you? Can a man get pregnant? Can a man get pregnant? A trans man can. Because he's really a woman. Let me see. What about, should we allow transgender women to participate in women's sports? No.
Sorry. I don't have an opinion on that because I'm not. I literally don't have an opinion on that because I don't know enough. about Olympic sports to be able to... Wait, wait, wait, wait. You didn't even see... This is like the safety of people in locker rooms and stuff. Yeah, okay, here's the thing. I would say that I don't... We get into a sticky situation because then you also have... Hold on, hold on.
You have people who have either like the, I think it was like a skater, figure skater who, she is biologically a woman. She has a vagina, a uterus, fucking boobs, but she has either the, she's either intersex or she fucking tests high for testosterone. and then she came. Who am I talking about? No, no, no.
We're talking about a trans man swimming with females. Yeah, but we're not talking about the worst cases in the world. It's much stronger and wider than a female just naturally, biologically. I would say personally. Personally speaking. If you're feminist, you don't want them to take those awards. Can a trans man with balls and a penis get in the ring and fight a woman? Yes or no? No.
Yes or no? I would probably say no. But once again, I don't know enough about it. Hold on. About fighting? About power? What? Don't think anyone at this table actually knows anything about this Hold on, hold on. Let me finish my thought. Let me finish my thought. Let me finish my thought. Let me finish my thought about this, please. Please, please. I... don't think any of us really maybe maybe her maybe her can i finish before you get angry i'm not angry at you okay go ahead no how
estrogen testosterone therapy all of these different therapies that people who are trans are getting done I don't know how that affects their bone density I don't know how that affects their ability to perform I'm telling you that I don't know enough about this subject to make an educated opinion. And I'm getting ripped apart by you guys because I don't know enough about a subject to make an educated opinion. So let me say this. So if I hit this.
Thank you. I think that's the best answer someone could give. No, of course. But if I put on a skirt right now, if I go in the bathroom right now, come back out with a... I got the skirt. Never. If I go in the bathroom and come out with a skirt right now... And hit her.
Why wouldn't I be? Why is he not trans? If I go in the bathroom and come out in a dress and say, starting at this moment. Being trans is how you feel inside. I don't know how I feel inside. I could have had an anomaly. I could have had an anomaly. You know what I want to be a girl that's a strong arm wait hold on You are not you're good you're good she's very good she's It's just unsafe.
Wasn't there actually someone in the Olympics that, I was about to say, and they were the slowest swimmer for the men and then swam against the women and won against the women and won the model. And that's not fair. and the safety of the people. You know what's so sad about this argument that just shows the sickness and this fake-ass power struggle? These trans women men that you're defending is taking what God made for you.
It ain't even affecting me. You got women that, I think it was a show, I think on, what is a woman? These girls practice and train to be, to get scholarships, to run track, and they got it taken from a man. So you're so busy trying to put feminism that you're actually hurting women. You're not hurting us.
messing with me the less the more the more men want to switch sides that's more women for me so i'm not mad they're taking away from what you've worked for for what women worked for you got men that's taken away from what you got
And what if they're doing it on purpose because they can't win in the men category? Exactly. And they're competitive. They can't compete with men, so now they want to be women and compete. Yes, but I feel like this is also just kind of a demonization of trans people. It's not.
No, we just asked if they were homo, if not sleeping at them is homophobic. They should have their own category then, you know? I agree, that should be, absolutely, they should have their own category. That sounds like it would have the most amount of sense. Yeah, I'm fine with that.
Yeah, trans women should compete against trans women. But then they're gonna say that, oh, we're putting them in a group by themselves, and we're not letting them be a part of everybody else. Or we could just, honestly, or we could just, like, not accommodate society for, like, less than 1% of people. Like, that just seems, I don't know.
Don't make it my problem. And I will not give a flying fuck. Yeah. And don't make it just this big deal. So let's go back to dating. Let's go back to dating. We talked about the sports thing. Really? We talked about the sports thing, but. But so, again, I'd like some engagement here on this question.
The position here is, is that you guys think that it would be straight for a, I hate this term, cis male to date a... transgender woman you think it's straight if he views that relationship as straight then yeah that's his relationship but like so pointing i guess going to you um You're a lesbian woman, right? If I dictated to you what your sexuality meant, would you object to that? If I was like, you know what? You're a lesbian woman, but... Would you date a transgender woman? Yeah. Okay.
Why did you laugh at that? Nothing was funny. You would date a transgender woman and you would still be a lesbian. With a penis. Yes? Wait. So the transgender woman, this is actually really interesting to have a lesbian here for this question. Would you still be a les- like, you're a lesbian, you would date a transgender woman, right? Yes. Okay, this transgender woman has a penis.
And you were allowing the penis to enter inside of you. You were giving the penis blowies, blowjobbies. Are you still lesbians? Okay. Well, the question originally was just would I date a transgender woman? Yes, we're circling back to that. Hold on. It would have to be a transgender woman who already went through surgery. For me. But you said it would be straight for a cis male to have sex with a transgender woman who still has a penis. Yeah.
But so why would you not still be a lesbian? Because I don't want penetration. Doesn't matter. You would still be a lesbian if you allowed the transgender penis to enter inside of you, would you not? Because that's a woman. yeah i i just don't personally want that you don't personally sure but okay uh
So you won't let your girl play with you? Here, let me ask you a question. No one said that that's what I do. Get out of my sex life. If you saw a lesbian woman being penetrated by a penis, would you question if she's actually a lesbian? No, I wouldn't Is it a lesbian sex act to be penetrated by a penis? I mean, lesbians use toys all the time No, but it's a transgender woman So is it a lesbian sex act for a cis lesbian woman to be penetrated by a transgender woman's penis?
Is that a lesbian sex act? Yeah, she's still a lesbian. Well, if she's trans, then I'm assuming she would also be female. uh presenting right okay so she's got fake titties she's still identifies as a woman she's dressing in that way she's taking hormones but she this transgender woman the transgender woman still has a functional penis Yeah. Okay. So if you had sexual intercourse with a transgender woman and the entailment of that would...
I know you don't want it, but for sake of argument, you had penetrative sex with this transgender woman's penis. That's still a lesbian sex act. Still a lesbian. Well, no, you're... I'll grant that you're still a lesbian, but is it... Still a lesbian act. Still a lesbian sex act. I mean, in order for... I mean, the logic... While flawed, I mean, you're consistent at least. I mean, because if it was...
Let's say we're in a heterosexual relation, not we, but just me and a man, right? We're in a heterosexual relationship. Let's just say that the man likes anal penetration because it's pleasurable. Does that make him not straight? You don't have a penis, correct? No. I don't think that wouldn't be homosexual because you're a biological female. It's perhaps like...
not so common. It's probably like a minority of heterosexual men want to want to be I mean want to be anally stimulated or whatever. I don't think that would be a homosexual act. Right, so then why would that not be a lesbian act if the person identifies as a woman? But the difference, I'm using male-female, you're using man-woman. Right, because... Right, but a transgender woman is not female. No, but the act is still penetration. And I could be penetrated with a toy.
And this person identifies as a woman, not a man. So it's the same situation. Your logic is failing here. So if you're having lesbian sex with a cis woman and she penetrates you with a dildo, is that heterosexual? If I'm having... I'm using your own logic. I'm having sex with a straight woman. No, no, no, you...
No, a gay woman. It wouldn't matter if she's straight or whatever. You're having sex with a lesbian woman, but she's penetrating you in some capacity. Is that heterosexual sex? No, it's still straight sex. I mean, sorry, lesbian sex. Right. So as a...
woman if you i mean i don't it's sus or whatever but like if you're penetrating your male your male partner as a woman yeah it's not homosexual because you're a female yeah still straight sex because i in this case i identify as straight he identifies as straight
straight men don't get penetrated by no toys look it would be sus technically it wouldn't be it would not be homosexual if your girlfriend like stick her stuck her finger so i can't even whatever i don't even want to fucking talk about that but um yeah It would not be homosexual if your girlfriend stuck her thumb up your butt. What the fuck? Anyways. So wait. As a lesbian woman.
you date a transgender woman the transgender woman still has a penis you suck the dick of the transgender woman are you still a lesbian I'd still be a lesbian. You don't even believe the shit you be saying. There's no way you don't believe the shit. It's a woman. I'm just really confused. I'm so far confused. I don't even know what's happening.
I'm confused. I'm a man. I know what it's like. You're confused. You're just saying shit. I'm not confused. It's a woman. It's a transgender woman. You're just saying shit. Y'all know what you've been through, but I'm grateful.
Okay. Thanks. Like I'm bisexual and I know that if I was talking to a gay girl and they said that, I would not date them because I'd be like, I don't know if you, like, I don't know, but that's just me. Gay girls don't win. None of that shit. Final thing on this. Then we're going to do the roast. Then it's over. The show's over. It's, this is.
This is, by the way, our longest show ever. Congratulations. I know. I looked at it. I said, we were putting in work. This is crazy. What time is it right now? Fucking insane. So, okay. I will ask one more time and then I promise I'll move this on and we're going to wrap up.
the show okay wait are we at nine hours it's almost at 10 hours almost at 10 yeah almost double the time we were supposed to go hey look it was good though it was good okay so I feel like tired no it kind of went by fast so when we say question for you two Question for you two. When we say homosexual, we mean same-sex relationship, correct? Wait, which question are we on? I'm sorry. I'll repeat it. When we say homosexual, we mean same-sex relationship, correct?
same sex yeah yeah like like two guys two girls you would agree yeah two guys two girls you would agree that these people have not changed their sex correct transgender people have not changed their sex what i said is that with can you change your sex can you change your sex you can't change your chromosomes no okay so a transgender woman before the transition
At birth was male, correct? Mm-hmm. Okay. And you just acknowledged that they cannot become female, correct? Biologically, yes. Currently, at least. Biologically. Okay, sure. Maybe in the future there's some crazy shit. Who knows? Currently, you cannot change your sex. No. A male cannot become a female. A female cannot become a male. Biologically speaking, yes. Homosexual means same-sex relationship.
Homosec. It's even in the name. Yes, but homosexual. Hold on. Hold on. Sexuality is up to the individual and how they interpret that for themselves. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm pretty sure dick on dick is gay. Two males. Yes. Two males. regardless of whether they get fake titties and they put on some makeup and put on a wig and wear a dress, you're still a male. You even conceded to that point. Two males having sex.
and even granting to you the distinction of gender. I'll grant to you, even in this example, that the gender has changed. The gender used to be man, now it's a woman. Two males having sex. How can that be heterosexual? Answer me that. Okay, what I'm trying to say. No, no, no, no, no. Answer the question. I am answering it. It can be heterosexual. No, it literally, it literally, definitionally cannot be heterosexual. Definition.
Okay. Definitions change over time. No, no, no. They are adopted over time. You already conceded. No, I didn't because I wasn't given the chance to speak. Look, you, okay. I understand what you're trying to do. I don't agree with this. Is two males having sex homosexual? If the two guys are identifying as homosexual, then yes. Yes, it is. So if two men are having sex, identifying as men, but saying that they're straight, does that make them straight?
I don't do it tomorrow. Does that make me straight still? I'm a shit suit. wait so just to be clear so okay essentially you're saying so yes a transgender woman you're you're you are agreeing that that's a male right biologically I don't know what other category would a male be. There's how you present on your outward. You can't present as a male.
I suppose granting you to present as a man. Yes, you can be female or male presenting how you look on the outside because I can guarantee a lot of these transgender guys and women, you would never know are transgender. I'll even grant that you can... You can look like a male sure that's actually really easy to grant it's it's the same thing as granting that a transgender
The gender can change. Again, don't agree with that, but I'll grant it. You're still a male. Two males having sex is homosexual. A male and a female having sex, heterosexual. And it's not like a bad term, it just is what it is. So you have to be prepared to say...
We have to completely remove gender from this. I want you to say the following statement. I will not. Just listen. I'm not calling out my friends. I'm not throwing any of my friends under the bus for this fucking podcast. Absolutely not. No, just hear me out hear me stop stop. It's not gonna it's not even gonna be bad. Just hear me out. I want you to say Because this is your position. I'm just repeating your position back to you a male
And a female having sex is homosexual. Sorry, can be homosexual. A male. This is your position. You have to. A male and a female. A male and a female. Regardless of their gender identity. I'm just looking at their sex. This is your position. A male and a female having sex, I want you to tell me that that can be homosexual. I mean, it...
It can. I would honestly say it's more pansexual than anything. But you said the genesis of this conversation had to do with straight. Straight means heterosexual. So I also want to ask you this. Can two males having sex, is that, that can be heterosexual? If one of them is presenting as female, yes. Hold on. Well, I guess that's an entailment. Okay, so two males having sex can be heterosexual. If one's wearing a wig. Okay.
Like I've already stated my position on this. I think we've all already stated our position on this. I don't know why you're wanting. You've already, but you've acknowledged, you've acknowledged that homosexual means same sex. Heterosexual means opposite sex. Okay. My question. for you is are you ever going to date a transgender woman no okay cool so what and are you ever going to date a transgender person No, no, I want to know because it's your memory. No.
I have a perfect rebuttal to this argument of, well, you shouldn't care. You said you have, you cannot. get pregnant correct you cannot get pregnant correct yes like you're you're just because of medical reasons incapable of becoming pregnant with a viable pregnancy yes i could potentially have a non-viable pregnancy if i wanted if i wanted to try for one but yes if we're saying like my biologically what i'm able to do and produce would not ever be a
viable or healthy pregnancy. In addition to that, you would have extreme difficulty even getting pregnant. Is that my understanding? Yes. For this reason, you're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. That's not true, because actually, if anyone should have an opinion... Why? You can't get pregnant. Because... a lot of abortions the medical term is called abortion for a topic pregnancy or any of the other pregnancies that are non-viable that i would not be able to
carry to term it would have to be medically aborted and if it does not then it would go septic inside of me so yes if anyone has an opinion it's people who are going to be fucked over with that okay how about this then because there you said there's a slight chance that you can
get pregnant. You will acknowledge some women are incapable of getting pregnant, right? For example, like older women. Yes. Okay. They're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion because they can't get pregnant. Do you agree with that? They were able to get pregnant at one point. No, how about there's a woman biologically... Okay, I'll just use the most extreme example I can just to try to articulate the point here.
A woman at no point in her life was ever, because of some genetic defect, she can't even conceive. There can be no conception. Can't conceive. Can never get pregnant. For this reason, she can't have an opinion on abortion. Agree or disagree? disagree you can always have an opinion on something okay but i can have an opinion on the transgender thing
Even though I would never date one or whatever. Especially if we can be labeled transphobic for not dealing with them. Checkmate. Okay, but the difference is having an opinion and voicing that opinion out of... maybe hate? That's assumption, Cece. That's that dangerous shit y'all be doing. Why didn't you say something? It's not a hate. That's that bullshit. That's that bullshit. That's not Karen bullshit. He never said homophobia was a bad thing.
I'm not saying he said homophobia. You're trying to strong arm someone into saying what you want. She said as long as it's not coming from the perspective of hate. So you just assume. That's that rhetoric that get people fucked up, yo. That's dangerous rhetoric. Just because we don't agree with you don't mean we hate anybody. I don't think she directed it towards you. She just said as long as it's not a general opinion. All I'm saying is. I don't hate trans. I could be wrong. She said hate.
She said the word, hey, you could have said disgruntled. You could have said disgusted. You said hate. That's a strong word with connotations that can get people flagged, docks. All types of stuff. And y'all use these words specifically because you have to gaslight the minions in the world because you can't defend the argument in real time. That's why. Did you assume it was directed at you? Yo, I'm not even talking to you. You don't even know what the fuck going on. I'm talking about...
what she talking about. What I'm saying is those type of words is what get people in trouble in real life. We do have to wrap. We do have to wrap. This has been too long. This is so long. It's going to be a 10 hour show. This is mind boggling. This is crazy. Okay. And I got a flannel. Okay, so we have to let the TT... Sorry, guys.
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I don't give a fuck. I don't know specifically what this is. There are absolutely people who are intersex, and I don't deny this. to say that all transgender people is intersex is just no i i know you didn't but like people like to point well what about intersex people well that doesn't deny the fact that there's like the vast majority of transgender women for example have like
their chromosomes are 100% matching those of a male. And they're not intersex. There's not like any genetic defect or anything. No, but what I'm saying, if it sets a precedent to accept one, then why can't we accept the other? Well, intersex is a totally different category. These are people who have genetic defects. Yes, but what I would also say is that for everyone who says that transgender people shouldn't have gender-affirming care, that also is...
Like legally for intersex people as well. Okay. One, I swear I won't linger on this. Um, at what age should people should, uh, if you're like transgender and you're like 10 years old, should you get gender firming care? Gender affirming care can be classified as anything like growing out your hair. So I think that that's a pretty vague argument. But do I think that they should? Do I think? Should a puberty blockers? Puberty blockers don't do any damage and can be reversed.
This is literally fake news. That's literally fake news. I know people who took puberty blockers in middle school. You cannot reverse puberty. How is that? It's not reversible. How's it reversible? Explain to me how it's reversible. Go ahead.
i know two separate people i don't yeah they did it they went through it is it reversible can they one of them did decide that that was not for them in high school and stopped taking it they started taking testosterone and were able to live a perfectly normal life afterwards they're probably still we okay so
We had a detransitioner. Are you familiar with this? Yes, that's what I said. I have one friend who transitioned completely and one friend who detransitioned. I think three months ago we had a woman who came on the show. female transition wanted to be male or wanted to be a man transitioned took the testosterone whatever she was like this totally changed
Totally changed me. Not reversible. It impacted her voice, her vocal cords. That's not reversible. It impacted something like hair growth, a couple other things. I don't want to speak for her. If you'd want to have a conversation with her, we could have her on too. But she can tell she's a detransitioner. She can tell you herself, it's not reversible. What age do I think that children should be able to start taking medication? Sure.
Honestly, I would say the age of medical consent in some states. so okay so should um what about a 10 year old can they start taking or how about 13 can they start taking like puberty block I would wait I would wait till my child if that if it was my child I would just what about not your child a trans child Well, I'm not their parent. You can pass laws. Let's say you can pass laws. What age would you allow it to be?
I don't know. I would do it on a situational. I would feel like I would need to have the facts in front of me. No, no, no. First of all, I think I would need to have... all of the information if i was making a lot i would need to have all the information in front of me to make a very okay if it was your child your child your 14 year old um if it was my child yeah comes to you and is like hey mom i think i'm a woman What I would do with them is I would, you know, thank them for coming.
to me and sharing that with me we could try out some things but we could try out multiple different methods beforehand we could see you know let's let's try growing your hair out a little bit seeing how you feel with that they do that yeah yes they do that but they're like mom I don't want to go through puberty as a male because then like when I'm an adult that's gonna be like I'm gonna face I'm not gonna align with my
gender identity i want to start i want to prevent going through male puberty i would say that that's a really hard call for a parent to make it's a hard call what's your call You have to make a call. Yeah, if I had to make a call, I would try and get them to wait a little bit longer so we could make sure that it was a very informed decision. Okay, sure. Your 12-year-old comes to you. Yeah.
And you're like, well, let's wait two years. And then they wait two years. They do all the like, you know, growing the hair out, maybe dressing a different way. And then they come to you two years later and they're like, yeah, I still feel this way. I would like to get the drugs or whatever. I would say that I would start them. if if they after two years still felt the same exact way i would allow them to take
Maybe like a low dose of something. What if you go see a doctor and the doctor's like, well, this is the dose that's going to be necessary. And this is an expert. And I'm assuming you're going to defer on this expert. And this person's like, oh, we have to get this person. gender-affirming care, and this is going to require this dosage. Okay. Are you going to be like, no? No, if the doctor said that this is what... I would trust a medical profession, yes.
A medical professional. That being said, I would make... So you would give your 14-year-old son puberty blockers? Yes, but I would not allow them to go through... like you know a full bottom or top surgery until they were 18 but having blockers until they're 18 gives them some time and if they change their mind part of the way through then you can stop the blockers and then we could it's not reversible though you can give
them testosterone and there are other treatment plans available. I've seen it in my friend. He successfully re-transitioned. I've seen that. How long was he taking these? The puberty block was before he said, I don't want it no more. How long has he taken it? Like 12 to 16? Let me ask you this. Should a 10-year-old be allowed to get a tattoo? I mean... I wouldn't give my 10 year old a tattoo. Your 10 year old comes to you and says.
I would make him wait on that tattoo for two years. The same way that this is. So you'd let your 12 year old get a tattoo. If it was like, I don't know, like a little fucking star or something. I don't know if they're. I mean, I'm not. I probably wouldn't. Arm sleeve. How about that? No, there's compromise. Not everything is black and white. But you would let them get like... Oh my God. No, I literally never said that we would cut off any appendage. You'd let your 12...
You'd let your 12-year-old get a tattoo? If it was like a tiny, tiny, tiny tattoo. No, how about... Okay, it's... He's not going to get a face tattoo. No, I wouldn't let my 12-year-old get one. I would say if he was 12 and he came to me and he was like, I really want a tattoo, I'd be like, okay, let's wait some time. Then he's 14 right now. We're talking about different ages here.
the same exact ages I feel like I would let my 14 year old if they thought on that tattoo and it was something small and manageable and we we talked and decided that okay we'll compromise and do this if in two years from now you still want that tiny little star tattoo, I'll let you get it.
I think things are about compromise. You can get a tattoo removed. Being a parent, you don't compromise with children. You've got to be a parent. Coming from a parent. Here, when it comes to, and you've got a parent. When it comes to parents, You do realize as a parent you have authority and responsibility over your children and you can just say
The only justification you need to say no to your child is because I said so. I don't agree with that. I don't need to justify. No. You don't do something because I said so. I don't need to tell you why. You're going to listen to me. That's it. Well, my parents used that exact argument with me and my brothers, and it did not work out well for them. So what do you mean? I don't mean it was wrong. I mean, y'all were rebellious.
Yeah, that means you guys were rebellious. If you're telling someone that they can't have something, they're going to want to do it. What were they trying to prevent you from doing? Like, pretty much anything. What do you mean? Please don't adopt. I'm sorry, but please don't adopt. Okay, here's the thing. You're putting these hypothetical situations that...
I don't think that I would run into you. I don't think my child is going to be begging me every single morning and night, noon and night, for a tattoo. But they'll beg you to get their balls muted. I told you I would not. I said get them muted. I didn't say cut off. I said mute it. Stop the process. They're still going to be there. That's not a thing. They're still going to be there. That's crazy, yo. Well, I do think you can chemically castrate, right?
isn't that I don't know the precise details but you can chemically castrate yourself and I think like taking estrogen as a woman as a man might Didn't a woman try to be a man to kill herself? I'm not an expert. I don't know. You know what? Actually, I take the tattoo thing back now that I've thought about it. I take the tattoo thing back. I do. And the reason for that is...
A tattoo is not part of someone's identity. And a child, you're right, probably should not be getting a tattoo at age 14. But I actually have met people who have gotten tattoos at age 14 with their parents' permission. I don't judge their parents for it. So just to be clear, so in my worldview, I actually think that getting a tattoo, like a child getting a tattoo, would be actually much more benign than undergoing, like, than...
taking puberty blockers. But puberty blockers can be... No, it literally can't. They can be stopped and you can take other hormones to replace. Let me ask you a question. So if I...
Current day took estrogen for the next three years. And I'm not going to go through puberty at all. If I took estrogen for three years and then I then go and take... testosterone to make up for it for three years you don't think that that's going to have even if somebody's already gone through puberty you don't think that's that's going to have significant ramifications on my health
I honestly don't know. I'm not a medical professional. Why else would you take these drugs if not to affect some sort of change?
Yes, you're trying to affect some sort of change. Okay, let me ask you a question. You're trying to create a stable environment. Look, I'm already a bit overweight. I need to lose a bit of weight. I already got some titties going, right? But, joke, but like if I took estrogen, I would start like... proper developing some some titties right and so do you think that they would disappear once i get off like that's just permanent son you can get that removed by surgery
That requires surgical intervention then to fix. But it can still be fixed. But it means it's not natural. That means it's man-made. It's synthetic. It's not real. A lot of things are man-made. Yeah, and a lot of things are fucking the world up because of that. My goodness It's just it's crazy to me like yes to pu- broody blockers but no to the tattoo which seems way less like because one someone's identity and how they view themselves and also
I would have to live with it on my conscience either way, right? Either way, as a parent, if your child comes to you crying and begging you for something because they don't feel... You give in? No, no, no, no, no. You would give in? No, no, no. Can I... finish begging you that they don't feel like Like human in their own skin. And you say no. And then they kill themselves. You would feel responsible for saying no. And if you say yes. Then you would feel responsible if they decide to.
detransition so you're fucked either way let me ask you a question Oh, okay. Well, you basically made the argument that I was about to make, but let's say they get the puberty blockers, and then they regret it later on in life, and then they self-delete themselves because of the regret that they feel over the mistake they made.
that you as a parent allowed. I mean, so it can go both ways. It can go both ways. Right. But wouldn't it make sense then to err on the side of, how about you wait until you're 18? And then look, you're legally an adult. You can be, you're emancipated. You can make those decisions. You can't undo the puberty. You can't undo. The same can be applied to detransitioners. You can't.
It's easier that way than it is to try. For men, they'd have to go and get lots of bone shaving surgeries because of the puberty. be required. You know, some skin removal, some fat removal, breast tissue. That's different than shaving off parts of your fucking bone. All that shit is not as weird and unnatural. It's all fucked up, man. What are you talking about? Have you seen a feminization surgery for a man?
It's extremely painful. Which is why we shouldn't do it. Which is making a point. It's all extremely painful because it's not natural. You're not supposed to be getting cut on to change your gender. Just because somebody brought it up don't mean this fucking shit is greater. No, I'm not talking about bottom surgery. I'm talking about...
You're not supposed to be getting cut on unless it's something. You're not supposed to be getting cut open unless you're having a surgery for, like, a health issue. Not for that. That's dumb as hell. The hell agree. Yes, please. Please, let's go on. Yeah, we're going to wrap. Okay, guys. Let's see here. Oh, boy. Who are we going to raid?
uh we're gonna okay on twitch we're gonna raid ampi um let's see here okay we're all caught up on all that this is one of the wildest panels it was good like it was a really interesting conversation um Super interesting conversation. And I just wanted, like, I know I disagree with some of you here. There's no bad blood at all. It makes for an interesting conversation. I have no ill will towards it, even if it got heated in certain moments.
Those of you who disagreed, I actually appreciate that you disagreed. I think conversations like this are necessary. If we just go in our separate bubbles, never have conversations, things get very polarized. So I think conversations like this are important. I want to thank you, want to thank you, want to thank any of you guys who had a disagreement with me.
Take none of it personally whatsoever. You guys were super dope. You made for an awesome, entertaining, fun, lively show. So thank you guys so much. Let me just get this wrapped up here. Okay. Let's see. Okay.
GG to the panel. Last call, hit the like button please on your way out. Can you pull up the light thing? Thank you for tuning in tonight. You could have been anywhere in the world but you're here with me. I was completely exalted and I didn't do wrath. Hold on, hold on. Make it stop. Hold on, hold on. That's not what I meant. Guys, like the video please on your way out.
uh thank you to everyone who super chats donates and supports the show thank you to the wonderful panel literally you guys were fantastic this is one of the best panels we've had in a very long time i appreciate you guys staying late i know this This was a long show, so I do want to thank you guys for that. Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram. If you can make it sound, Barbara. Let's pull up the... We're going to raid Ampy. He's playing World of Warcraft.
Wait, he's on retail? Oh, there he is. If I have like stats. All right. Hold on. I'm going to send the raid here in a sec. Guys, thank you for watching over there on Twitch. Thank you guys for watching over there. It's actually not that crazy because I raid longed on this hunter all through Wrath pretty much. Guys, it looks like he was playing hardcore on his match.
Yeah, see? I have 252 days on this character and only 25 in Wrath of the Lich King. Oh, he might be ending his stream soon. I'll rate him nevertheless. That's... Okay, guys. Thank you guys for watching on Twitch. So 90% of my time on this character was out of rap. I hope you guys have a good night on Twitch. That's fucking crazy. Sending that over now. Oh, I should have said tell him the like, whatever. On...
250 is a lot. 250 is not a lot for 20 years. This is five years. What is he? Yo, whatever with the raid. Welcome in, guys. I was just... going through my character. This is a really... This is my classic character. Alright. all right there it is there it is all right guys like the video on your way out uh let me just double check nope okay we're all getting on chat all right guys oh sevens in the chat oh sevens in the chat i hope you guys have
I hope you guys have a good night. We'll see you guys on Tuesday. Good night, guys.