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Hey everybody, it's Nick Leighton. And it's Leah Bonnema. And let's just get right down to it with our most pooch. Let's get in her. So I was just in Helsinki, like you do. And yeah, it was actually great. I really recommend Helsinki. I don't know if that's like some controversial statement. Like, oh, what? Who knew? But no, it's actually totally lovely.
And one of the important things when you visit Finland is you got to go to the sauna and they say sauna. And so I will try my best to say sauna instead of sauna because it is actually a finished word. I think it's one of the few words in the English language that is definitively finished. So I think it's nice to try. And of course my finished pronunciation probably needs a little work. But sauna is what they say.
And it's everywhere. It's everywhere. Everyone has a sauna. It's like in every residential building that has been built in the last 40 years. Like it's in every apartment building. It's like in every home. Like everybody has one of these in their house. And it's what you think it is. It's basically a little room where you have rocks that are hot and water gets splashed on it. And that turns into steam and you sit near it and you enjoy it. Like that's the whole thing.
It's very big and main in the winter. People sauna and then they run and they jump into the snow. Yeah, this hot cold thing. It's wonderful. And in Finland, it's such a big deal that sauna culture is actually on the UNESCO list of like intangible cultural heritage of humanity. So like it's on the same list as the Argentinian tango and yoga in India. Like it's on that list. It's like that echelon. It is so integral to being a fin.
I love that. Yeah, it's totally wonderful. And it's the great leveler because everybody doesn't young old. Apparently people were bringing like their kids like as young as like four months into a sauna. When I was in a sauna, I saw children. I think they were probably like maybe four years old these kids. So like everybody does it. Business deals are done. Political decisions, bachelor at parties. I mean, it's sort of like all occasions, no occasions.
But it is just like woven into the fabric of Finnish society. And it's so great that there is something that like they all share. That is very lovely. So here I am in Helsinki and like everyone's like, you got to go to the sauna. And so I was like, okay, I'll go. And so here is what I learned. And here's what you need to know before you do it. Because it's like what you think it should be, but like there's some specifics. And I just want you to be prepared. And so first thing to know clothing.
So a lot of fins would just be naked. And that's normal. And that's sort of expected. You don't have to be naked. If you don't want to be, you can wear bathing suit or you can have a towel. In a more public sauna or like mix sex sauna, there would probably be a bathing suit requirement. And so like that solves that problem.
But nudity very common by like optional if you don't want to do it. And we want to make sure there's like no jewelry, like especially metal jewelry because it's hot in there. Like that's the whole point. And so yeah, be sure to like take off the necklace or you know, like try to take things off if you can. And you want to shower first. And you want to just make sure you're clean first and wet the sauna does work better if you're already a little wet when you go in there.
Otherwise dry skin. It's like it's a apparently there's some physics involved. And so it is good to be wet first. And also it's nice to be clean before we go into the sauna because it is a shared space. And so you go into the room. And you want to make sure you close the door behind you because you are letting all the hot air out. And that's really rude.
And so just make sure you close it. And you want to find a spot for yourself. So it's probably benches. And so you find a bench spot higher is going to be hotter heat rises lower benches little cooler. And you probably want to put your towel down to sit on it or if it's a public sauna, there could be like disposable sheet plastic key things that you would sit on.
I did see people just sitting right on the bench in their bathing suit and those were fins. So does that mean it's okay. I guess so. I put down like the little disposable plastic heat towel thing because it was near the front door. And I thought I should do that. But the point being is they're like it's a shared space. So you know we don't want our bare bottom on the wood. Right. I think we can all agree.
And no phones because obviously it's like a private space, but also your phone can't handle like you do not have your phone with you. And no food or drinks at least in the shared sound is I guess if this is a private home like do it everyone. But in the public sound is like yeah, there's no beverages. And it's steamy like that's the whole thing. So there's going to be like this pile of rocks in the middle that are very hot.
And we get water on them somehow. And so the sound I went to actually had like a mechanical sprayer on it where there are like buttons on the wall. And you could hit a button and it would like release water onto the rocks automatically. Wow. How fancy. And anybody could hit that button. Like if you're feeling like, oh somebody just left and the door was open a little too long or like, oh, I'm feeling the temperature drop. Like you could hit that button.
But you just want to be mindful that you are going to be increasing the temperature for everybody in the room. So just like read the room a little bit like how's everybody doing. Do we do we need this right now. I think if you're new to the sauna, I think you don't necessarily want to be the person to make that call like let a local make that call. But at a certain point I hit the button.
It felt good. It was like, oh, I'm a local there. But very traditional would be more bucket of water with a ladle. And so then you ladle the water and then you pour it on the rocks. And that's very nice. It's a very nice sort of tradition. And there's something kind of magical about that. And you just stay as long as you want.
Five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and you can go in and out. You know, you can go out and go to the snow as previously mentioned, jump in the lake. There might be a pool nearby. There could just be showers outside and get drink water, rehydrate. And that's kind of what it is. Like that's the whole thing. I want to go to a sauna right now. So bad. Yeah. Yeah. As I was sitting in there, I was like, oh, why don't we have this all the time in New York.
Like I feel like as a society, we could really benefit from just enjoying this because it's really wonderful. And it's calming and it's centering. And apparently there's health benefits too. You know, beyond just mental health. And yeah, it's a really wonderful tradition. I'm going to find one near me. You know, we have one at the gym. And Dustin was in the sauna there in the locker rooms. I'm going to say sauna as well. And there was a person on the phone in the sauna.
I'm in the sauna doing a business deal. And he said there was like four other people in there. And that sky was just like on the phone loudly. He's just rolling calls rolling calls in the sauna. Yeah, that's a no. That's a no. Now, I will say business deals do get done in sound as and it is okay to talk. I mean, people do talk. I mean, it is a hushed space. But it is not necessarily a purely no talking space. I mean, I think read the room in terms of what vibe of sauna you're in.
But it is social. I mean, like if I invited you over to my house, like, hey, Lee had come over and hang out. If we were in Finland, we might just be hanging out in my sauna. Like that might just be a place we hang out and talk. And so that's fine. The fins in general as a people, I think are relatively quiet people. Like they're kind of like the Japanese in that way. Like these are not loud talkers. No one is accusing fins as being like, wow, did he see those really loud fins in that restaurant?
Like that's not a thing that happens. And so they just bring that sort of quietness into the sauna experience. And so people were talking or you're, you know, having normal conversations. And that's fine. But it wasn't so loud that it was like distracting. So I think we want to just be mindful of the other people, you know, like with all etiquette, we just want to be mindful that it like, oh, other people are in this room.
Yes, I think in this circumstance, it wasn't like a nice comment. It was like a loud, blah, blah, blah on the phone. You know what I mean? There's nothing more maddening than hearing a one-sided conversation. Yeah, wow. So wild. Yeah, no, that's wild. Oh, I want to talk about the whisk, the sauna whisk. And so this is something that I did not know about until I saw it. And so especially in the summertime, there will be this bundle of branches, very often birch.
And so just like the tips with the leaves and they're kind of gathered together in like a broom looking thing, maybe a foot long, maybe a foot and a half. And they're gathered on one end sort of like a bouquet. And the idea is that you get this wet and it's sort of soft. And then you kind of whack yourself with it to stimulate the skin. Yeah, so you'll sort of like bang your body, bang your bag, bang your feet, bang your legs.
Gently, this is not like vlogging, but the idea is to like use these branches to sort of just like stimulate this circulation. And so you will see people with these branches, these whisks hitting themselves in the sauna. And so that's what that is. And then little pro etiquette tip like 2.0 something that's very nice.
If you're in a sauna where there is the ladle and the water bucket as opposed to the more mechanized version, it is very nice. If you see that bucket getting low on water, if you're stepping out because you need a break, go fill up the bucket and bring it back for everybody else so that they have a full bucket. That's a very nice elegant. I'm filling the water bucket move. So Finland, I mean, what a lovely place. So it is worth the flight.
I really am delighted. What a picture you've painted of a lovely, perfect experience. Yeah, no, life in Finland kind of is that. Yeah, so get in it. And we're back. And now it's time to go deep. Deepen back in those phones. So for today's question of etiquette, I want to talk about voice notes, which was fun to have Nick suggest this for deep dive because guess who leaves a Nicholas late in voice notes.
Yeah. Yeah, I knew that when I selected this topic because I just told you like, oh, we're going to do this topic. It wasn't kind of a discussion this time. I was just like, oh, this is to do this. As soon as I said that, I was sort of like, oh, she's going to read into that. And she's going to think that this is a comment on her behavior. And turns out that is how you read that. Well, I was looking forward to seeing if it was a comment on behavior.
Okay. Well, I think based on our conversation today, we will answer that question. And don't think that it will in any way change my behavior. Oh, that's weird. So voice notes, what's as a voice note? I mean, I guess it's basically leaving somebody an audio message. It's a voice mail without having to call first, right? Yes. And so it's more intimate than a text message. And it's less urgent than a phone call. And so why do you do this? Leah, why do you like them? Why do you leave them?
I leave them because, hey, let me just say the way my brain works, I struggle with text messages because I can't read tone. So they tend to make me anxious. And I also feel like I can't relay a lot of the information that I'm trying to relay. Okay, that's fair. Also in LA, I consider voice audio text to be very LA because I leave them when I'm driving because I will not text. I will not touch my phone. Yeah. So if I feel like somebody needs information, I leave an audio.
I think it's very, and I start out saying, I'm so LA. Or I'm walking the dogs. You can't text and walk dogs. So I also leave them, but I only leave them with friends. I would never leave it for like a business person. And also a very particular group of friends. Yes, I think that's a fair distinction. And I have had a friend say that she doesn't like them. But it's also a friend who wants me to get right back to her even when I'm driving. So I was like, make up your mind.
Ooh, she wants to have it both ways. Yeah, and I said, I will stop audio messaging you since you've made it clear that you dislike it intensely. But I will no longer respond to you when you need the response because I will wait until I'm stopped. Yeah. So your choice. Your choice. Yeah, I think for me, the question is, is this the most effective way to communicate this message?
And so I feel like that is part of it for me because I have people, not you, people who do send voice memos that are so long. I do not have five minutes for this monologue. And now the iPhone will give you a transcript. But then now I'm reading a five minute transcript. And as they're like, this was not also the transcripts are always wrong. Yeah, sometimes it's hilarious. But this is not a good use of my time. And so for that, I don't love it.
But I feel like if it's entertaining or it is a good piece of gossip or the tone is required. I feel like all of those are good reasons to leave a voice, Moa. Yeah, I would never do a five or yeah. Well, so what is the length? What is an appropriate length? Well, like for you, I would never go over 90 seconds. Okay, I appreciate that. I have a friend who leaves very long voice text to me. So I feel like she would enjoy a voice text back because she likes a lot of info.
Okay. And I could leave a 10 minute and she'd be in it. You know what I mean? Wow. I wouldn't. But I do think it's person based. I'm also not leaving a voice text for like yesterday. I was like, what time are we meeting? That's a text. There's no tone. Yes. I feel like a voice memo or voice text is like, hey, here's a whole thing that I can't really text. And probably I'm going to like make some funny noises up top and do a little song about something.
But it's, I'm not expecting you to listen to it right away. Yeah, I think that's a good expectation to set. Like voice memos are not for the most urgent of things. Like text is for urgent. Well, phone call, I think, is the best for urgent things. Yeah. Well, just really do not like phone calls. Like that group of people who do just like phone calls is growing. It is. I've actually done a few lately and I feel was crazy. I felt like I was on my swatch phone back in my parents house.
Do you remember when the swatch phones came out? I wanted one so bad. I begged. I begged. I begged. I begged. Watch. It was like a clear phone that you could see the inside of. Okay. I can vaguely picture this. Yes. I didn't know it was called the swatches and like the watchmaker. Yeah, obviously it was still plugged into the wall. This is when phones were plugged into walls. So that. I also wouldn't do it for somebody who's like a strictly business associate.
Yeah, I don't know if we leave voice memos in business context, right? No, I would be emailing. If it was like something that's not it, I don't know why they would be texting me, but I would be emailing. Yeah. And then I guess one question is, how do we know if somebody wants voice memos? Because we wouldn't necessarily think to ask for permission in advance. We're like, hi, would it be okay if I sent a voice memo? Like I think we don't typically do that.
And then you've sent the voice memo to somebody and they don't want it, but like they may not tell you that they don't like it. So then how would we know? Oh, I've lived, I've surrounded myself with people that will tell me they don't like it. Okay. They'll just be honest. Which I'm fine with, but know then that if you don't want voice memos, I will respond not when I'm walking, not when I'm driving.
Yeah. And I think if you're somebody who really doesn't want voice memos, then you could say that in a plightway, which is like, hey, voice memos are not the best way to communicate with me. Like I do much better with texts and you could just say that. Yeah. And I, I'm a person who I have no problem with that. Like I don't, as I said, sometimes text messages, I just, because I can't retone, they make me so anxious.
Unless it's like very clear or we're making jokes or it's like somebody I know very well. And I say that to people, can we just hop on the phone or send this in an email where it's not like three words? Yeah. So to answer the original question, I enjoy your voice memos because they are relatively painless and they are short. And they do usually involve some singing or some things sort of insane at the top. So they are entertaining moments of comedy. Wimsy cool. I try to be whimsical.
There is whimsy. Yeah. There is sort of delight to frothed us in these. And you've left me one in response and I was delighted. Yes. Wait, I do try to reciprocate messages in the format in which they were received. So I do respond to voice memos with voice memos sometimes. And they are fun because I could just ramble. Yeah. No consequences. No consequences. So how freeing. But I think you're the only person I would leave a voice memo for.
I actually don't know if I've left a voice memo for anybody else. I'm honored. Yeah. You should be. I mean, I'm not leaving them for everybody, Nick. I mean, good. I'm glad you're not just like giving away. There's probably only five people that I actually leave them for. So you know if you get a leave a bottom of a voice memo, that's special. Well, also I could also be special that I know that you would hate them.
And I just haven't given you one because I think you're not ready to hear me singing off key randomly about a car going by that reminded me of a childhood memory. So. Nobody is ready for that. So those are some ground rules on voice mobos. They're just considerations to be considerate considerations to be considered. My favorites put that on the pillow. I think that'd be a funny pillow considerations to be considered. Come on. All right. We'll check the check the merch store.
There could be a new pillow with a very long slogan. Very long. I would love it if we'd start out again. And you added a few more. It just got smaller and smaller. Okay. Wow. Now you have design notes. You know what I mean? You know like the beginning of like the Star Wars where the words are coming out and there. Okay. All right. Well, I'll work on that. Thank you. Thank you for your notes. And now it's time for an internet show. Intermetso.
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I recently told my sister in law that we would soon be getting a new puppy. The first words out of her mouth were a new puppy. You'll never be able to travel again. It irritated me that her first response to our happy news was so pessimistic. I've noticed that people often think it's OK to make a negative comment when someone shares big news about their life. A move to New York might be met with get ready for the traffic. Or a career change might prompt lawyers have to work all the time.
How do you politely shut someone down when they rain on your parade? Two things right up top A. I'm very excited for your new puppy. Please send pictures. It was a wonderful choice. It's going to change your whole life full of love everywhere. B. People do this all the time. Yeah. And it's deeply, deeply annoying. Yeah. I mean, I think we all have these people in our lives. And that's just what it is. Like there are just people who kind of go to this place automatically.
Yes. And I think a part of this is realizing who these people are. Mm-hmm. And never telling them anything. Oh. I mean, it's only worth that easy. I mean, we can't withhold, you know, like, oh, I'm getting married from your parents, you know. I don't think your parents are going to be like, getting married, you'll never be able to travel again. Well, because of how expensive that point is. Yeah. I do think we could, I two options we can preface with. This is really exciting news for me.
So if you could say something positive, I'd really appreciate it. Okay. Try to head it off at the pass. Or if they say something like this, you could say, well, I'm very excited about it. And then don't say anything else after. So they have to sit with the fact that they matched your excitement with a negative thing. Yeah. I think the phrase I wrote down was, I was hoping that you'd share my excitement. I appreciate your concern. But could we focus on the positive? That's very nice.
Yeah. I mean, that feels a little like a rehearsed, but something in that flavor. That feels a little more organic. But people do do this all the time. Anytime you move, that's like you and you moved to LA, you moved to New York, people just like, I've never lived there. Get ready for it. Oh, LA, all the traffic. You're like, come on. Yeah. And people who do this, I think they are not intentionally trying to ruin your parade. And actually, I think it does come from a good place in some way.
It comes from a place of wanting to protect you. It comes from a place of wanting to make sure that you've thought this through, that you're not making a mistake, and that everything is going to be okay. Because ultimately, they want you to be okay. And it's coming out the wrong way. But I think it is coming from a place of wanting you to be safe. And so I feel like if we can kind of know that, like, oh, they mean well with this comment. It's just coming across horribly wrong.
That may make us feel better about the comment when it's made. I think we could think that when it's close people in our lives, but basic strangers do this to you as well. Yeah, that's true. And they're just being judgy. I was trying to liabon about this. You know, try to find the good here. This is just one of my, this goes up there in my top pet peeves. When you're like, a positive excited about something and people come in and just, you're like, oh, no, I know that sometimes life is horrible.
I'm choosing to be excited about something. I work hard to try to remain excited. So if you cannot come here and dump your negativity on me, I'd super appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you so much because I've spent years in therapy. To try to be a positive person.
Yeah. I mean, the judgmental quality, I think that is why this is maddening because it is judgmental, which is like, oh, you have that judgment because you just got a dog or you just decided to move to New York or you just decided to get a new job. Like, you exhibited bad judgment. And I'm going to tell you why that's that judgment. Yeah. And that doesn't feel good. You could also just look at them and say, hi, my name is Leabonema and I make great decisions.
Or obviously you would fill in your name. No, no, no, no, no, no, you say Leabonema. No matter who you are. Actually, that would be very fun if you just said, hi, my name is Leabonema and I make great decisions. I mean, let's put that in a pillow. I do like the idea of just saying, I mean, you could even say what Nick should say was I know this comes from a place of like caring about me, but I would love it if I'm excited about this. So if we could be excited, that would be great.
Yeah. And you just got a new puppy. Yes, I did. And did anybody have any weird reactions? No, but I also preface. That's true. Yeah. So everybody knows we're excited about this new dog and we just got a new dog. Yeah, actually, when I heard, I actually, the first thought I had internally was, wow, Leabonema, adding more chaos to her life. Isn't that interesting? And that was funny is that I knew that was your first thought. Yeah, well, because you know me very well. But I didn't say that.
And then my second thought immediately was, this does not affect your life. And so if Leah wants to get another dog and have chaos in her life, does not affect me at all. And so let's be happy for her. And then you see the pictures and they're very cute. And you're like, okay, I get it. I mean, Lacey's my dog and Greta's her dog. I got a dog for my dog. How nice. Because, well, they got on really well at the rescue.
And then obviously when we brought Greta back to the house, Lacey was like, oh, I didn't know this was happening in my house. Though there was that, you know, negotiation period, but Lacey needs a buddy. She needs somebody to play with during the day when I'm on Zoom with Nicholas Layton for where you raised my walls. Oh, this is my fault. So technically Nick, I got a dog for you. Oh. I mean, thank you so much. I would tell you. You're welcome.
And now that you see what it was, I also, there is nothing like the joy of multiple dogs jumping on your face when you're sitting on the couch and just being like, hi, I love you so much. And just to clarify for the folks at home, Greta May is the name of the new puppy. New puppy is Greta May and she is, you know, Lacey is like a pensive, looked deep in your soul, kind of a dog and Greta May is like, hi, hi, what are we doing? What are we doing? So they're very complimentary.
I wonder what they're very different. Sort of like me and Nick. Okay. I guess I'm the Lacey Jane in this scenario. All right. I'll take that. So our next question is, quote, I'm currently in a restaurant dining alone for dinner in a small town west coastal bistro. I'm the only solo diner in the restaurant. I'm an infrequent solo diner and as I wait for my dinner following my salad, I have some downtime so I picked up my phone to read the news. I'm wondering, is this rude?
Does my solo existence make it okay to browse the worldwide web or could I be annoying other guests? I am a frequent alone diner. Oh, solo dining. I mean, we've talked about this. It's the best. Highly recommended. If you're watching videos on your phone with no headphones or you've left the notification dings on, you're at your table. I always read at my table. Yeah. I mean, I think reading a book in a cafe is like a time-honored tradition and this is sort of a modern version of that.
And I think, yeah, the idea is like, oh, let's not annoy other people around us as our etiquette baseline. So I think if we can achieve not doing that, then I think it's okay. So yeah, let's not make noise. I also think it would be very odd if I was at a table alone. And there was, say a couple next to me and they were having their dinner, they were talking. And then they leaned over and they were like, hey, you catching up on your Instagram messages in complete silence is bothering me.
That would be provocative. Provocative. I would be like, why are you obsessed? I'm literally sitting here. I'm not holding my phone up high. Right. Or asking other people to watch videos or making any noise. Yeah, totally. A couple things I would mention as things to be aware of. One is a lot of times when you have your phone, you might set it down as a server comes to like bring you something or take something away.
And you just want to be careful that when you set your phone down, you're not setting it in the place where they want to put something. So like, you might set your phone down on the right exactly where they want to put the wine glass and it's sort of like, oh, no, don't do that. So it is good just like to put the phone away and give the server your full attention whenever they approach you so that you're kind of engaging with them and you're not also making their job harder.
That's something to note. Yes. Great note. Another thing to note, which I have never had this problem, but I have seen this elsewhere. If you're watching something or reading something that makes you very emotional or laugh out loud, just know that because I don't think we want to have you breaking down crying, watching like puppies reunited with their owner videos and they're kind of making a scene in a restaurant. I have nicks like, I've never had that problem.
No, actually, I was on a plane recently and the woman next to me was bawling. And I looked over and she was like, oh, are you okay? It's this memoir. So you could be affected by media, which makes sense. So I think if you're in a restaurant, just be mindful. And if you want to cry alone while you're reading a memoir on your phone, have at it. Just know that you might be catching other people's eye or laughing out loud because you're watching funny videos. Just know that. Solid note.
Yeah. Well, etiquette always adapts to the context. E etiquette is very context dependent. So yeah, as long as the context is like, oh, I'm mindful of the people around me, then we're good. Yeah. Enjoy your evening out with yourself. Yeah. I think that's everybody's homework. If you've never dined alone, do it. Do it. Do it this week. Give it a whirl. See what it's like. I would also accept a movie alone, which I love. Yes. I mean, movie alone is fine.
Also, I'm totally fine because we're not supposed to be talking to you in the movie anyway. So it's fine. But dining alone I think is a different than movie. No. I think it is different, but I enjoy both immensely. Oh, yeah. Solve the two is great. What's great about a movie is you're having a shared experience alone. So do you have questions for us about shared experiences or anything else? Let us know.
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Which is our opportunity to vent about some vet etiquette experience we've had recently, or we can repent. For some etiquette faux pas we've committed. So Leah, would you like to vent or repent? Oh, I feel like I'm on a roll, but I am going to repent again. But how do you keep making etiquette mistakes? What is happening? What do you mean? How do I keep making etiquette mistakes? I know, rhetorical. Okay, what has happened this time?
So I have gotten some messages from our lovely listeners who are also friends of mine. We have come down hard on brunches and picnics. Sure. And these are people that I have either brunched with or picnicked with. Okay. And so they take offense? They felt I feel, as nobody said this exactly, but I feel as though they felt that I then didn't want to be with them, which was actually the opposite takeaway. Yeah. If I have brunched with you or I have picnicked with you, I meant it.
And it means I like you so much. Yes, that I'm willing to be far away from a bathroom. Yes. For you. That's how much our friendship means. Go out in a normal time of day that I wouldn't normally go out with. It's a compliment. It's actually a compliment. And I wouldn't do contrary to what one may think about my personality. I actually wouldn't do something I don't want to do. Yes. I think let's clear up that misconception real quick. Leah doesn't do things she doesn't want to do. I really don't.
Yeah. You really don't. I think you want to accommodate other people as best you can. But at the end of the day, very healthy boundaries. Well, I'm not doing that. Yeah, I really don't like doing things. I mean, I don't even want to do something I don't want to do for 10 seconds. So. I have picked it with you or brunch with you. I thought this would be lovely. I really like this people. I really like the event of being and I want to do it. And I had fun.
So I want you to know that because it seems that some feelings were hurt. And you should actually take it the other way. So wait, this is not a repent. This is the vent. This is a vent for people making you feel bad for. No, I didn't feel like they were making me feel bad at all. I did not feel like that at all. I feel like that the feelings were hurt and I don't like that. I don't feel venty at all about it. No, okay.
I feel repenting that it wasn't clear that I do do these things for people when I want to. And I don't feel made to do them. I just like those people. Yes. And to clarify, we don't hate brunch. We don't hate picnics. It's just there are other times of day or venues we prefer eating more. We don't, we're not hateful. No, especially when it's like French toast. I mean, you can't hate that. We can't hate it. The only thing, and Nick and I actually recently brunch together. We just had brunch.
We just had brunch. We just shared bowls and there were eggs involved and there was, yeah, it was a vegan yogurt, which ended up being a bad choice. But you live and learn. Who would have known? I should have waited till Nick ordered and then did what he did. But I liked. Well, isn't that good advice? I really am. I really am. I really am. But okay. Alright, so we just want to clarify that if you have had Leah at a brunch or picnics, it actually is a high compliment.
So high compliment and I, my guess is that it's the same for you. Oh, for sure. Yes. Oh, I mean, do you think I'm going to like show up at a picnic at a obligation? No. No. I'm happy to decline. I'm happy to decline invitations for things I don't want to do. I do think I just give out the vibe that people don't get that I actually am declining things. I do. I'm very protective of my time and I, when I socialize, I really mean it. Yeah. No, you're very thoughtful with your calendar.
So. Thank you. There. Yes. Well, for me, I would like to vent. And so, Leah and I were just in Portland doing a live show. So fun. So fun. And I, where do we, how does this happen? So I just landed the airport and it's a long flight. There were headwinds. It was a particularly long flight. And I had just actually flown in from Helsinki like a couple days earlier than that. So I'm jet lagged. I'm tired. What time zone am I in? I've been on a plane nonstop for, you know, like a whole week.
And so I land and I take the max, which is like this nice sort of a tram thing from the airport down to Portland. Very convenient. And I get off in my stop and I was like, ah, okay, almost at the hotel. And so I wheel my luggage off the max and I'm sort of like getting my bearings and just like checking the Google map. And it's sort of afternoon and it's a little overcast. And I'm starting to walk and then it's like, I feel rain.
I feel like like some drip on my head and it's sort of like, wow, I'm only here for two seconds and it's already raining in Portland. How cliche. But then it's sort of like, oh no, that's not what that is. And then it's sort of like, is that an air conditioner like a New York city? It's like, no, it's not that. And then I feel another like blast of water on the back of my head. And it's sort of like something is going wrong. Something is not normal. What is happening?
And I was like, what do I do? And so I turn to the source and there are kids, youths on the max train that is about to leave. And one of these kids has a squirt gun, squirt gun has a water squirt gun and has shot me. I have been shot. I have been shot. And they are laughing because I make eye contact with them because those are like, oh, that's what that was. And they're giggling and they think it was so funny. And it's sort of like, that's not, I'm not in the mood for that. Like, I love whimsy.
This was not whimsy. This was not the time or place for this. I was already in Portland and I got a text message that was just, I got shot with a water gun. And I don't know if I was walking or if I was already, if I fell over, it was like, what? Because like, when, when does anybody, why are we shooting strangers with water guns? What does that happen? Like, what is that happening?
And so these kids, and they're teenagers are like, yeah, they're probably, they're like late teens and they're having great time. Late teens? I mean, how old are people? I don't know age. I mean, they were definitely older than 15, but like really young enough to not be prosecuted as an adult with this crime. Like somewhere in that 15, 16 zone, I guess. And so I turned to face because they, I was like, probably 20 feet up past the car door because I had already like left the max.
And so the doors close to the tram and are back to pass me. And so I stand right at the line on the platform waiting for them to cross so I can give them a death stare as the tram is passing. Because I'm like, okay, I can't do anything other than just make them feel shame. And so the tram starts to move, but as that car and the windows pass me, they have their back to me. And it's like, I will not even get that satisfaction. It's like you got to hit twice. Yes, I got, it was a double whammy.
Double whammy. So I did not get the satisfaction of giving them my signature death stare. And I was a little wet. I was wearing fabrics that could get wet and left all my suede at home. But yeah, it's like, why are we shooting strangers? Why are we doing that? And of all people, me. I haven't even heard of that happening to people. I don't know what we do with this. This is what we do with it. Like who's carrying around a water gun? Also it was Portland in like 60 degrees.
It wasn't like some hot summer day. Yeah, it wasn't like a gift. Oh, thank you for cooling me down. Although I don't want to be shot with mysterious water in any climate. Oh, me neither. I would immediately think that somebody was trying to poison me. That's what I would think. Yeah, no, I definitely was concerned about like, oh, what is happening? So that is my vent. I hope it doesn't happen again. But I think just as a reminder, let's not shoot people with water guns in public. Solid reminder.
That's a solid reminder. That's a solid one. So there you go. So Leah, what have we learned? I learned in this lovely, what would we call this, this thing, that journey through sound-as. Uh-huh, yes. A whisk. I learned about a whisk. Oh, yes, the sound a whisk. Love the sound a whisk. And then I didn't even know there was a UNESCO list of cultural intangibles. Mm-hmm. I mean, that's delightful. And that sound-as are on there.
Yes. And speaking of exclusive lists, I learned that I'm on a list of very few people who get voice memos from you. This is true. Oh, very VIP. So now that I know that I'm VIP with these, I'm in a much better place. Anything that's exclusive I'm in. That is the way to think of it. Yeah, no, that's how I'm going to think about it from now on. Well, thank you, Leah. Thank you, Nick. And thanks you out there for listening. I send you Anne Redd, note in my custom stationary if I could. He would.
So for your homework this week, we need more listeners. We need more of you. And so we need you to tell more people about us. Because the more people that listen, the more polite everybody's going to be. And the more polite everybody is, the closer we're going to be to achieving world peace. And then when we get world peace, Leah, we're going to win a noble prize. And that will look very nice in my house. So please tell some friends about us. I don't even need a prize.
What I would love is just everybody waived when you let them into traffic. Okay, well, it starts with that. And then who knows? So please tell some friends about us. And we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Leah, it's time for Corp. It's the part of the show that you make us do. But I only give you 30 seconds to do it. Ready? Set. Go. I just wanted to do a cordial of kindness to all of the wonderful wolves family who came out to see us in Portland.
Yes, that was mine too. We had such a fun time in Portland. And everybody who came out was so lovely. It was so fun to meet everybody. And people flew in from Texas and Washington and like, it was such a great crowd. So I had a nice time and hope everybody did too. I got very emotional seeing all the people when we came. It's just very lovely. Yeah, I mean, people came in like wearing t-shirts with our catchphrases on them. It was so amazing.
And so it was so fun just like hang out with everybody. And we got great questions. We had a great time. So if you have not seen us live yet, please come to our next show, Sign Up for a Newsletter. And we can't wait to see you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah, no, is it blast? Oh, Leah, one more thing. What? Have you signed up for Patreon yet? I have. Me too. You out there. Have you signed up for Patreon yet? No. Well, code our website, re-racewaywalls.com. Click on monthly membership.
Check it out because we would really appreciate it if you'd support our show. We love your support. We would. So please do that. And we'll see you next time. Bye.