White Guns for Hire

mess they'd made in the Balkans. Before they left, they took a few souvenirs, a couple of AK forty sevens, one pistol, eight kilos of Semtex, a plastic explosive, and a crate of hand grenades. They stashed the stolen weapons under the seats of the old citron that Doyster was driving. Doyster was no stranger to committing crimes across borders. He'd been a soldier for hire for over a decade and had served a bit of time in Ireland for arms smuggling.

He was confident that His expertly forged un press credentials were all they'd need to ensure a clean getaway without anyone searching the vehicle, and he was right. After driving nearly two thousand kilometers, they reached their first destination, the Belgian city of Russilara. There they met with Roger Spinewen, the leader of a Belgian Neo Nazi group called the Order of Flemish Militants. He was a bit of a

legend in certain circles. He was already an old man, but in the seventies he'd led a small group of Belgian Nazis in a daring heist of sorts, successfully stealing the corpse of a long dead Nazi priest from his grip in Austria to be reinterred on his home soil in Belgium. And on that day in March of nineteen ninety four, Spinewin paid Douster eleven thousand Deutsche marks for the stolen weapons, but he gave him one more thing directions.

It had been Spinewen who had asked Douster to return to Bosnia this one last time, not as a mercenary this time, but to fetch hardware and recruits for a new mission, one in South Africa. The Aeging Neo Nazi had spent his life fighting for fascism at home in Belgium. His son John was a member of Parliament as a leader in the far right party Vlam's Block. But as the world continued to change around him, he hoped to retire one day in a beautiful white ethno state in

Southern Africa. Here on the eve of the end of apartheid, though, that dream was starting to look less and less likely, unless they could incite enough violence in those final months to convince the white population of South Africa that they needed to secede to form a new pure white nation. And this was the task he'd recruited these mercenaries for. It wasn't safe to depart directly from Belgium, the authorities

there were already a little suspicious. Instead, the mercenaries took the ferry across the English Channel to Ramsgate, a seaside town in Kent. There, with an introduction from Spinowin, they made their next contacts, members of the British fascist group, the League of Saint George. They spent a few days there making final preparations for their journey with the help of their new English friends. This was becoming something of a routine for the members of the League of Saint George.

Just two months earlier, they'd hosted another batch of German mercenaries making the same trip. They didn't know just yet that one of those men was already dead. On the evening before Doyster and the Germans were scheduled to fly out of Heathrow, Roger Spinwen dispatched one of his sons to Ramsgate with one final message for the mercenaries. Willie Spinowen handed Ronald Doyster a sealed envelope and passed along

his father's order. Doyster was to personally hand deliver this envelope to the woman who would meet him at the airport, a woman named Monica Huggin. I'm Molly Conger and this is weird, little guys. This is the part of the story where we finally rejoined them women. We started with

Monica Huggett Stone. It's been a long, strange journey. We started out a few weeks ago in twenty twelve in Sacramento, California, American neo Nazis from the Golden State Skinheads were rallying outside the state Capitol holding the flag of apartheid South Africa, when counter protesters from a nearby occupy encampment showed up to heckle them. What an odd site, those skinheads in their black jackets rallying for the imaginary cause of a

white genocide against South African farmers. That rally was one of more than a dozen simultaneous rallies across the United States that day, though they were mostly poorly attended and some were barely publicized, and all of them were organized by a short lived Aryan Nations affiliated group called the South Africa Project, and that group itself was almost certainly really just two people, a longtime Arian Nations member named

Maurice Goulette and a mysterious woman in Louisiana named Monica Stone. I'm always surprised by the twists and turns that these stories take. Once you start turning over a few rocks, there's always some bizarre new ankle that takes us miles from where I thought we were going. But this one has been the strangest ride of any weird little guy so far. In this chapter of the story, we'll try to trace the paths of these European mercenaries from Bosnia

to South Africa. It turns out there was an international network to funnel guns for hire from one conflict to another. And as cloak and dagger as all of that sounds, it wasn't really a secret, not entirely. Searchlight magazine had reported on the scheme months before. Those German mercenaries even

bought their plane tickets. Every year for decades now, European Neo Nazis gather in the Belgian city of Dixmude for an international fascist get together, and at the event in nineteen ninety three, there was a lot of talk about changing their focus, about redirecting mercenaries from the Balkans to South Africa, and plans were made. At least fifteen mercenaries were pledged to be dispatched in early nineteen ninety four with plans to fight alongside Robert vent Honter's Borostock Party.

All of this was published in print in English in the fall of nineteen ninety three, months before this actually happened. That same publication. Searchlight Magazine would eventually uncover more of the d tales about what went on at Dixmuda in nineteen ninety three. It was at this summit that Roger Spinewin recruited Ronald Doyster to return to Bosnia to recruit

more mercenaries for South Africa. And according to another source, it was also sometime in late nineteen ninety three that Roger Spinwin paid a visit to South Africa himself at the invitation of Monica Huggett. I mentioned a few weeks ago that the first step in tracking this Monica Stone, the one who organized those rallies in twenty twelve, back to her home country of South Africa, was figuring out

her maiden name, which is Huggitt. And I did that by digging up old corporate filings for a Christian identity church called the New Christian Crusade Church. And the New Christian Crusade Church was run by a man named James K. Warner. I don't think Warner necessarily qualifies as a big name, but he shows up in a lot of big stories. He was an early member of George Lincoln Rockwell's American

Nazi Party. He was a leading member of the short lived National States Rights Party, and in his clan days, he was a very close friend of David Duke, I've left myself a note to come back to James K Warner. I think there's some real weird little guy stuff going on here, and I do have a quick correction to make. As much as it pains me, I just realized I misspoke in the last episode where I mentioned James K Warner, I called him Robert K Warner careless. Honestly, I should

have caught that. But to be honest with you, I'm recording this at one in the morning, and this is early by my usual standards. I'm always a little down to the wire. But I think what happened there was just a slight mix up, because, in my defense, James Conrad W. Warner did have a brother named Robert L. Warner, and he did use his brother's name on the deeds

to some of the church property. But it turns out that Monica's connection to Robert K Warner may be the answer to a question that's been bothering me for weeks. How on earth did a woman in South Africa manage

to join the Ku Klux Klan. If you recall the story in the episode two weeks ago, Monica Hugget was arrested in nineteen eighty one in connection with a series of pro apartheid bombings by a group that called itself the Vid Commando, and after her arrest, she agreed to testify against the Italian fascists that she'd helped carry out

those bombings. During the trial, she said she was a member of the American Ku Klux Clan, and she told the authorities that the books they'd used as a guide for making those bombs had been sent to her by her American Clan contacts, So she wasn't just a member of a Ku Klux Klan style group that operated independently in South Africa. She's saying that she has active contact with the Klan in the United States because there is

a big difference there. There have been groups in other countries that have adopted the esthetic and the ideology of the clan without necessarily maintaining meaningful contact with the group they're modeling themselves after. In other examples, what looks like a foreign iteration of the clan is actually just an

American who happens to be living overseas. In the nineteen eighties, there was an American serviceman stationed in Germany who claimed that he was leading an active clan group in Bavaria, and in the Dennis Mahon story, we saw an American clansman who traveled internationally trying to spark an interest in American clan aesthetics and ideology, but with relatively little success. So what Monica's talking about here is something a little different,

and I was stumped truly. As we'll get to later on in the story, I can absolutely connect Monica huggets Stone to the American Ku Klux Klan by the nineteen nineties. I've got the Federal election commissioned filings to prove that that's easy. But I still have no answers when it comes to the question of klansmen in South Africa in the late nineteen seventies, not in any concrete way. But

I do have a theory. One of the sources I've relied on heavily throughout this series is a nineteen ninety nine thesis by Mida Visser on the white fascist movements in South Africa in the twentieth century, and she sort of hints at this idea. She writes, quote, the activities of the clan in South Africa are obscure, although the police had no concrete evidence that the movement was active

in South Africa. There were claims in the press in the late seventies that branch has existed in the country, and so in Visser's thesis she gives a couple of examples that are definitely evidence of that esthetic copycat behavior I'm talking about. So, when the VIC Commando took credit for those bombings in nineteen eighty, the letters they sent to the press had a symbol in the letterhead that was almost identical to the logo used by American clan groups.

And in nineteen ninety, when two members of the Order of Death went on trial for murder, their supporters packed the courtroom and they were all wearing little clan lapel pens, and one of them even told a reporter the Order is long gone. It's the Ku Klux Klan now. In an unrelated side note, just too to wrap up a loose end from the last episode, I can tell I've spent too much time digging around for details I'm not going to need for this story. When side characters start

to look really familiar. When I was reading that anecdote about the Order of Death trial in nineteen ninety, I recognized the names of the murderers. Cornelius Lottering and Fanny Goosen were two of the ten members of the Africaner Resistance movement who were arrested in the summer of nineteen ninety. So when they scooped up Leonard Wienendahl and Horst Cleans,

Lottering and Gusen were in that bunch. And I mentioned in last week's episode that I couldn't exactly tell what became of all ten of those men, but two of them had escaped from custody, and those two were Lottering in Gusen, So I guess they found them again because they did get convicted of murder. But back to the question of the clan, I could have left it there, but I think you probably know by now that I didn't. Because he dig just a little bit deeper into the past.

There was a man in South Africa who called himself the leader of the South African Ku Klux Klan in the nineteen sixties and into the seventies. He died in the late seventies. His name was Raymond kirch Rudman, and by the time he was trying to get a South African clan going, he was already pretty old, and he was decades into his career as a professional anti Semite

with impressive international connections. Aside from his clan activities, Rudman was also the leader of an Afrikaner nationalist group called the Boronaci, originally founded by Many Merits. Meretz's son, also called many Merits, was a prominent figure in the Africaner resistance movement during the same time period as Monica Huggett, and Rudman also led a group called the Anglo Norman Union.

I can't find much information about the extent to which that group actually operated in South Africa, like did it actually have real members, But in nineteen sixty five Rudman did use the group to join the World Union of National Socialists. That was an effort by George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party and Colin Jordan, who was then the head of the National Socialist movement in the United Kingdom, to form I guess exactly what it sounds a World

Union of Nazi groups. But when it comes to the Clan, there's not much written, at least not that I was able to find about the history of the clan in South Africa. But everything that does exist has Ray Rudman's name on it. Last year, doctor William Robert Billips completed his dissertation at Emory University, and I know, I know that dissertation has the answers I'm looking for, but it is currently embargoed and not available to read. But a write up about his research tells me I'm on the

right track. He was researching anti Semitic bombings in the United States during the Civil Rights era when he came across one of the same sources I did, an old mention of Ray Rudman trying to recruit for a clan group in South Africa in the early nineteen sixties. Phillips was able to secure grant funding to spend several weeks in South Africa at the University of the Free State,

where Rudman's personal papers are held in a special collection. Again, unfortunately for me, I can't read Phillips' research, but I do have the finding aid for Rudman's papers. I can't actually see what's written. The documents aren't digitized. A finding aid is just an inventory listing the contents of various boxes and folders, and I would love to get my

hands on some of those letters because. Listed in that inventory are entries for correspondents between Ray Rudman and the New Christian Crusade Church dated as early as the sixties and seventies. There's also an entry listing correspondence between Ray Rudman and the National States Rights Party dated from the nineteen fifties. The inventory also lists more than forty books in Rudman's collection that were published by James K. Warner, either through his Sons of Liberty Press or the New

Christian Crusade Church. A similar finding aid for the personal papers of James K. Warner, held by the University of Wyoming also lists correspondents between James Warner and Ray Rudman, and Warner's Nazi publishing outfit, The Sons of Liberty Press, also published and sold English language versions of texts by South African anti semi Johann Schumann, an African internationalist politician. Yap Maree. So, I can't tell you exactly how Monica Huggett came to join the Ku Klux Klan, but there

is some really solid connective tissue here. It doesn't feel as random now. So when she moved to the United States, she was a close enough associate of James K Warner that he put her in charge of his new Christian Crusade church, and that has to have something to do with the fact that archives show that he was an active communication with the far right in South Africa from

his earliest days in the movement. It looks like I have some more digging to do on the subject of the Fascist International, because the number of connections here is honestly pretty staggering to me. James K Warner visited England in the said to speak at a meeting of the

League of Saint George. In nineteen eighty Our Belgian Nazi Roger Spinewin was deported from the United States while he was here visiting members of the National States Rights Party, and our South African clansman Ray Rudman, was listed as the South African correspondent in issues of a British fascist magazine in the nineteen seventies. All of these guys are

connected going back decades. But I've been promising to get to this part of the story for weeks now, the part where a handful of German mercenaries get into a shootout with the South African police in March of nineteen ninety four A few episodes ago. I told you that one of the first places I found Monica Huggett's name was in the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission's final

Report in Volume two. The portion of the report that deals with quote the Commission of Gross Violations of Human Rights, Chapter seven political violence in the Era of Negotiations and Transition. Under the subheading links with international right wing groups, the

report reads. The first link between ultra right terrorism and foreign agencies came to light in nineteen eighty two when mister Fabiomiello, mister Massimo Bolo, and mister Eugenio's Opice, all white foreign expatriots known as the White Commando, were convicted of the nineteen seventy nine bombing of the offices of

prominent academic doctor Jan Lombard. Originally mister Kus ver Mullin and Miss Monica hugget were arrested with them, but Huggitt turned state's witness and Vermullin was released after a few days. Huggett's name was subsequently linked to a shootout in March of nineteen ninety four between the South African police and

three German right wingers in the Donkerhoak area. One German right winger, mister Stephen Rays, was arrested, mister Thomas Kuns was shot dead, and a third, mister Horse Cleans, was later arrested. A fourth, mister Alexander Nydeline, was later charged in the Cullen And Magistrates Court for illegal possession of a firearm. And I read that paragraph before you've heard that bit, and at this point you know some of

the back story that paragraph is talking about. Two weeks ago, we talked about the vit commando bombings in nineteen eighty and we spent most of the last episode talking about one of those men, Horst Cleans. Before that shootout in nineteen ninety four, Glen's had been involved in a nineteen eighty nine attack on a United Nations outpost in Namibia, killing a security guard and later murdering a police constable

when he and his accomplices escaped from custody. And at some point I teased you a little bit with a story about Alexander Nydline. He was the German neo Nazi who swore allegiance to Donald Trump at a fascist rally in Croatia in twenty seventeen don so we know where Horst Cleans was in the early nineties. He was in South Africa, But how did those other three men actually get there? In nineteen ninety four, Alexander Ndline, Stephen Rays and Thomas Konst follow the same path as the mercenaries

recruited by Ronald Douster. They deserted from the Convicts Battalion, a paramilitary unit of the Croatian Defense Council made up of prisoners and foreign mercenaries, and they left Bosnia with stolen weapons. Then, with the help of the League of Saint George in England, they made their way down to South Africa, and just like Ronald Doyster, they were given the name of a woman who would pick them up

from the airport, Monica Huggett. And here is another place in my research for this story where I found a very unlikely source of information that I just couldn't have gotten anywhere else. Two weeks ago I had to give my begrudging thanks to the Central Intelligence Agency after discovering English translations of South African news stories in archived reports

from the CIA's Foreign Broadcast Information Service. And this week I have an even more unsavory source to thank, though he isn't around to hear it.

that his sentence for war crimes would be upheld. I don't speak Croatian, but news reports translated his last words in that video as judges slobodon Proliac is not a war criminal. With disdain, I reject your verdict, and then he knocks back the vial of cyanide. We don't have to get into the crimes against humanity that Slobodon Proliac was convicted of by the International Criminal Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia.

He doesn't really factor in directly to our story at all, but he did choose to defend himself without an attorney during his war crimes trial, and as part of that effort, he had a website dedicated to proving his innocence, and that website is actually still online today. But the documents that I found most useful in researching this story don't appear to be accessible on the current version of the site.

So buried in this poorly organized series of files on an archived version of this war criminal's website, I found something terribly interesting. All of the existing reporting that I could find about Alexander Ninelein, Stephen Rays, and Thomas Koonst and their whereabouts in late nineteen ninety three seems to rely on one of those documents, an arrest warrant signed by their commanding officer, a war criminal named Malad Nalatilic, which I know I've not pronounced correctly, so we'll just

call him by his nickname Teuta. Everyone else did. When those three German mercenaries deserted from Teuta's Ragtag Convicts btel in the middle of December of nineteen ninety three, he wrote a memo requesting arrest warrants. Translated, it reads, on December sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, members of the Convicts Battalion fled from Sierroki Brieg to an unknown destination after spending three to four days in the unit after stealing weapons

and ammunition. The memo goes on to specify that, aside from their names and the fact that they'd been briefly affiliated with the unit, he had no additional information about these three men. It's possible that a lot is lost in translation here, but it kind of looks like he's really going out of his way to distance himself from these men, because he's very explicit that they were only there for a few days and he doesn't know anything about them. These guys are strangers to him, and I

guess there's no reason to doubt that. It's what every write up about the incident says. And who knows maybe they got all the way there and they realized war isn't very fun and they changed their minds. That makes plenty of sense, right, But I think it would be terribly naive to take a war criminal at his word

because he was lying in that chaotic document dump. On Slobodon Prolac's website, I found Tutah's request for the issuance of those arrest warrants, and I found the arrest warrants themselves, and they were both signed by Tuta. I clicked through I don't know, maybe one hundred documents that mostly meant absolutely nothing to me. I didn't really know what I was looking for or what might even be there for

me to find. But I did find another document bearing the signature of the commander of the Convex Battalion, and this one was dated December second, nineteen ninety three, a full two weeks before those men deserted, and it's a list of soldiers under Tuta's command, and it appears to have been written on a typewriter, and next to the name of each soldier who had been paid for their service in the month of November, he had drawn a check mark in pencil and there twenty four pages into

this list of names are Alexander Nydeline, Stephen Rays, and Thomas Kunst. Nydeline and Coonst both have a check mark next to their name, indicating that they'd been paid for the month of November. Nydline has over the years taken issue with journalists who characterize him as a mercenary, often arguing that he never actually got paid, so he can't be called a mercenary. So this document at least offers some possible rebuttal to that. Next to Steven and raised name,

though there isn't a check mark. Instead, there's a little symbol that looks like it might be the letter D. I think the soldiers who have died are the ones with a little cross next to their name, and soldiers who are in the hospital either have a B or the word bolnikka which means hospital written out. And I couldn't find any commonly used word for something like dead, deceased, killed, deserted, quit, captured, any any words like that. I couldn't find any that

would start with D in Croatian. But there are some words and phrases related to the concept of authorized leave or a permitted absence that do start with D in Croatian. I'm just spitballing here. I have no idea what it could mean. I don't know anything about running a mercenary unit to do war crimes, and I don't speak Croatian. I'm just guessing. But regardless of what these mysterious little symbols mean, here's their commanding officer's signature on a document

listing their names two weeks before. He says they had only just shown up in the last couple of days. The obvious next question, then, is why would he lie about how long they'd been with the unit. The short answer, obviously is I don't know. I don't think anybody knows, but if I had to guess, I would say he was covering his ass. The Convicts Battalion was becoming increasingly un popular by late nineteen ninety three. It was again

exactly what it sounds like. It was made up of people who had been in prison for violent crimes, as well as foreign mercenaries who had volunteered to commit violent crimes, and they were out of control. A letter sent to a Croatian general signed by another officer that same month, December of nineteen ninety three, complained about Tuta's convicts running a muck. They weren't just committing war crimes, but they were killing and raping military and police personnel on their

own side, and their commanding officer was protecting them. So I can only assume that he was trying to distance himself from another embarrassing act of misconduct by this ragtag group of foreign murderers when these three Germans deserted the unit with a bunch of stolen guns and bombs. Other sources I found writing about the actions of mercenaries in the Bosnian War single out the German mercenaries in particular

for their brutality. Rob Kratt, a frequent contributor to Soldier of Fortune magazine, wrote in his book Save the Last Bullet for Yourself that the Germans he served with during the Bosnian War had a terrible habit of cutting the ears off the people they killed and keeping them as trophies. Austrian journalist Christoph Santner co wrote egayetest rambo Schpielen, which translates to I'm going to play Rambo now with former mercenary.

Wolfgang Nighter writer and Knight writer recounts seeing a German mercenary hand a live grenade to a seven year old Muslim boy in the Bosnian city of Mostar as a joke of some sort. The mercenary told the boy it was a toy, and the child was blown to pieces moments later. There was no shortitch of violence in the

Balkans in the early nineties. There's plenty of blame to go around, so it seems all the more remarkable that even in this context, other actual war criminals, people sentenced to life in prison at the Hague, people who were guns for hire, they were looking at these German mercenaries and saying that's a little bit too much.

to South Africa. The two men from the beginning of this episode, Fox Samang and Ralph Morajz, were recruited by Ronald Doyster personally when he traveled to Bosnia in early nineteen ninety four, and by all accounts, Nideline Rays and coonst were recruited by Horsed Clens. But how because remember Horsed Glens had been in South Africa for years at this point. He escaped from custody in Namibia nineteen eighty

nine and he fled back to South Africa. He was arrested again in the summer of nineteen ninety in connection with the Ordoboro folk bombings, and he didn't end up getting charged with anything, but he spent a while in jail while South African courts tried to figure out if they needed to extradite him to Namibia. He was eventually, probably in late nineteen ninety two, released on bond depending a final decision in the extradition matter, and then he disappeared.

It is possible, I guess that Glenn's could have gone to Bosnia at some point in nineteen ninety three, but I don't think so because there's a much more likely explanation.

late October nineteen ninety three. Stephen Rays was thrown out of the hotel after some kind of loud argument and just Stephen Rays. According to researchers from Germany's anti fascist Infoblot, Klen's was also spotted in Hamburg in October of nineteen ninety three, and we know Stephen Rays did go back to Bosnia after he got kicked out of that CD

motel because he deserted in December. So what it looks like to me is that Rays made contact with Klen's in Hamburg in October, and then he went back to Bosnia and told his friends about this exciting new opportunity. All they had to do was steal a bunch of

guns and find a way to get to England. What we do know for certain is that all three of those mercenaries left Bosnia on December sixteenth, nineteen ninety three, and on December thirtieth, they robbed a post office in the German city of Lubec, making off with around eighty five hundred Deutsche marks. I don't entirely know how to sort out how much money that is. In nineteen ninety three, one US dollar was equal to about one point six Deutsche marks, so that would make it a little over

five thousand dollars. But those are nineteen ninety three dollars, so I guess you could best understand the actual value of this money is around ten thousand US dollars today.

Don't email me about math. And with cash in hand, they traveled from Germany to Ramsgate, that little seaside town in England, where members of the League of Saint George drove them to the airport, and, just like the mercenaries that would follow them two months later, they were given a name Monica hug It would pick them up from the airport when they got to South Africa. They arrived on tourist visas in January of nineteen ninety four, and

Monica was there as promised to pick them up. She sorted other paperwork and work permits and their mercenary assignments, passing them off to Horst Cleans. They were assigned as armed guards at Radio Pretoria, an illegal radio station that broadcast African Internationalists propaganda, and they participated in military drills led by Willem Ratta, a former Rhodesian military officer. Everything seemed to be going according to plan until March fourteenth,

nineteen ninety four. By the time the next round of mercenaries arrived a few days later, there was no one there at the airport to greet them. Thomas Coonst was dead, and Alexander Nydelein, Horst Clean's, Stephen Ray's, and Monica Huggett had all been arrested. I really do hate to leave you hanging again. I promise I'm not dragging this story out on purpose to torment you. I was a little preoccupied this past week, and I'll be entirely otherwise occupied

during the week you're hearing this. If you're listening to this on the day it comes out, I am almost certainly sitting in court right now. In October of last year, I did a couple of episodes about Virginia's burning objects law. There was a pair of episodes on Berry Black, the Pennsylvania clansman who challenged Virginia's cross burning statute and eventually won his case at the Supreme Court. And there was a third episode about a man who broke the law

Virginia wrote to replace that original crossburning ban. In that episode, I talked a bit about the Nazi torch march that took place here in my hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia on August eleventh, twenty seventeen. The episode was about Tyler Diykes, but he was just one of about a dozen men who've been charged with burning an object with the intent to intimidate. That's the law that replaced the old crossburning statute. Well, this week, another one of those men is taking his

case to trial. So I lost a little bit of time this week reviewing the facts so I can be prepared to sit through the trial. And I'm going to lose the entire next week. Sitting on a wooden bench taking notes by hand, I would love to promise you the final chapter of Monica Huggett's story is going to come next week, but if I'm being realistic, it'll be

something else. I've been planning to do sort of a Q and A episode, so it might be that you can submit questions for that on the Weird Little Guy's subreddit. Just please don't send them to meet anywhere else, Like on any other social media platform, I'll just lose them.

So if you have a question, please post it to the subreddit, or if you absolutely for some reason cannot do that, you can email it to me, but nowhere else please, And depending on how things go during the trial, I might have a minisode about the defendant, Basilio's pistols. If you're curious about pistolis, I'll include a link in the show notes to the pro publica article about his discharge from the Marines after he was revealed to be

a member of Adam Woffen. So thank you for bearing with me as I tell the story of Monica Stone in these strange little chunks. I've really been enjoying how much digging this one has demanded of me. I just need a little more time to read some very weird racist prophecies before I'm ready to write the last chapter. Weird Little Guys is a production of Cool Zone Media and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written and recorded by me Ellie Conger.

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