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are being violently persecuted is now center stage. In the months since the administration has doubled down on this stance, foreign aid to South Africa has been suspended, their ambassador has been expelled, and now State Department officials have begun interviewing white South Africans who have applied for refugee resettlement in the United States. Apartheid ended in South Africa thirty one years ago. It turns out some of the same people who fought tooth and nail to keep it back

then are still around and they haven't stopped fighting. I'm Molly Conger, and this is weird.

a white supremacist activist span decades. But when it came time to write a follow up episode, I hate it to have to tell you that, even though Dennis will almost certainly die before he finish his prison sentence, the one he got for sending a bomb to the diversity office in Scottsdale, Arizona, the current political climate finished what he started. Republican politicians did what he couldn't do with that bomb, and they closed that office. And we find

ourselves in something of a similar position now. These last few episodes have been a wild, sprawling narrative about white supremacist terrorism in South Africa in the final years of apartheid, and I've learned a lot of history that I'd never been exposed to before, and I've really enjoyed digging my

way out of some of these unexpected rabbit holes. But it would be irresponsible of me to tell you such a long story and then leave you thinking that it was over, that it ended in nineteen ninety four, that when apartheid ended, the international networks of right wing extremists who'd done unspeakable things in its defense just faded away because they didn't, and they don't always need guns and bombs to get what they want. So we'll end this mini series where we started it the White House back

in February. When I started down this path, I had just read the executive Order, the one titled addressing the Egregious Actions of the Republic of South Africa. In the week that order was signed, Trump had offered some insight into what was going on in his head in this post on truth social.

specific conditions. And it is fundamentally not really that different from what we call eminent domain here in the United States, and that's a power that was given to our government by the Fifth Amendment. There's no racial component to it. Nobody's terrorizing white farmers. There's no language at all in the Expropriation Act about race. I spent probably too long trying to look for clues that would help me guess why he made that post on truth Social on February second.

Sometimes you can see a really clear direct line which means something the president says or it does or posts online.

And the Fox News segment that he had just been watching and that episode from back in February makes what I think is a pretty good case for how Trump's ideas about what's going on in South Africa were formed back when he posted about it for the first time in twenty eighteen, and back in twenty eighteen, he tweeted about South African land reform for the first time about forty five minutes after he heard of it on an

episode of Tucker Carlson. But on February second, twenty twenty five, he made that truth social post while he was sitting on Air Force one en route to DC after a weekend golfing in Florida. His public schedule for that day doesn't give us much, but he did post several times that evening about Fox News host Mark Levin, and he posted an old clip from Levin's show, and he reposted one of Mark's old posts, and he posted in all caps.

Watched Mark Levin tonight on Fox News eight pm Eastern Great Show, and Levin's show that evening doesn't seem to have touched on the issue of South Africa, So honestly, I couldn't tell you how the idea got into his head. That night, after a long day on the golf course, he posted it around six nineteen pm, and then forty minutes later, as he's sitting on the tarmac after the plane landed, he reposted it. And as he's leaving for

the White House, a reporter asked him about the post. So, on Tritoto, you said that you were going to touch it from South Africa. Will you plan to cut eight across other African nations, in white South and only South Africa.

And later that same week, in February of twenty twenty five, Donald Trump signed the executive order cutting off aid to South Africa, and it also directed DHS and the State Department to quote promote the resettlement of African er refugees escaping government sponsored race based discrimination, including racially discriminatory property confiscation, and so, in conjunction with his other executive orders ones that suspended all other refugee resettlement operations, this now puts

white South Africans in a class all of their own. They're the only people on earth who are so persecuted, who are suffering so terribly that they are deserving of assistance from the United States. And the executive order ignited a flurry of activity on the right, both in the United States and in South Africa. Far right talking heads rushed to book South African guests, and one man in particular was very happy to oblige. In the last two months,

Ernst Rootz has made the rounds. He's been interviewed by Ben Shapiro, Matt Gates, Tucker Carlson, Jack Bestobic, and Jordan Peterson. He's been on YouTube lives and shows that only exist on Twitter. Somehow, he made an appearance on a show hosted by Rinaldo Grause, a South African YouTuber whose political

career was stopped dead in its tracks last summer. Just days after he was elected to parliament, his own parties stripped him of membership after video service to him calling for the murder of all black people, and he used both the American racial slur that you're probably familiar with

and a South African equivalent. And roots also gave an interminably long interview to a benign sounding website called the White Papers Policy Institute, But as it turns out, the woman interviewing him has a long history of affiliation with neo Nazi groups, and Ernst Roots may sound familiar to you. In twenty eighteen, he visited the United States in his capacity as the deputy CEO of the Africaner nationalist group Afroforum.

He met with federal government officials and right wing think tanks. Notably, he spent a day at the Heritage Foundation. He took meetings with staffers for Ted Cruz, and during that visit, he appeared on an episode of The Talker Carlson Show back when it was actually on TV, back when it was appointment television for the president. And you might think that Ernst Roots would have nothing but praise for Trump's

executive order. Right, He's finally getting this message out, someone in power is finally talking about this epidemic of white farm being murdered in South Africa, and he is He's grateful for that, sure, but he doesn't think Trump's proposed solution is the right one. Here's what he said when he sat down with Tucker Carlson at the end of February.

will take that up. But that's why I told you the story of the Battle of Blood River and the vow we are culturally very very attached to South Africa.

Africaner granting them that land they can't leave. Men like Ernst Roots are still standing on the banks of the Blood River waiting for God to sweep all the Africans out of their way, and ahead of that whirlwind press Junket.

In February and March, Ernst Ruts actually resigned from his position as head of the Afrikaner Foundation, and that was an initiative under the umbrella of the Africanner interest group the Solidarity Movement, and Ruts says that he hadn't officially worked for Afroforum since twenty twenty three, but Afroform and the Africaner Foundation are both just part of the Solidarity movement. These are just facets of the same organization, and so now in February of twenty twenty five, he no longer

works for any of these organizations. He no longer works for Solidarity at all, because it was Roots who got the organization into some pretty hot water.

against Affro Forum, accusing them of treason. And just a quick note for those who aren't up to date on their South African current events, I wasn't on Kandoce's way is now its own political party. It does share a name with the group that functioned as the paramilitary arm of the African National Congress during the last decades of apartheid, but as of a few years ago, it is a political party.

shift in US foreign policy. Even President Ramaposa has gone on record blaming Afroform and Solidarity for spreading the lies about South Africa that led to Trump's executive order. He called the group unpatriotic in remarks before the National Assembly in March.

touring the White House with visible visitors badges. There are no photos of any members of the delegation that I could find that show them with any actual US policymakers, but they did take a couple of selfies in front of a sign that says Committee on Foreign Affairs. One photo was taken outside the office of Senator Christopher Coons, a member of the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs and

its Africa and Global Health Policy subcommittee. Their press releases about this visit don't name names, but they claim to have met with senior officials within the Trump administration during their visit.

selfie at the Capitol Building. On February twenty seventh, Jako Kleinhans wrote Day three in Washington, d c. Who influences US government policy a complex network of individuals, organizations, and governmental and non governmental structures worked daily to develop US government policy. Recent policy decisions on the relationship with South Africa have been developed by a few key players at influential organizations, together with policy specialist in the White House

and Congress. The Solidarity Movement delegation currently visiting the USA met on day three with several of these influential people with whom we have forged good relationships over the past few years, to discuss a way forward. And underneath this wall of text posted in Afrikaans is a selfie. Visible in the photo behind Jacko is the entrance to the

offices of the Heritage Foundation. That conservative think tank is not, as far as I can tell, publicly commented on the recently serviced allegations that they worked closely with South African military intelligence to craft propaganda campaigns during the latter years

of apartheid. South African news outlet The Daily Maverick did take extra care to note in their article that the Heritage Foundation has made no legal challenge to the twenty twenty one book by a former South African policeman who claims that former Heritage Foundation president Edwin Fulner was often consulted for advice by South African intelligence operatives who ran

the government's apartheid disinformation campaigns. And if you can remember all the way back to the first episode in this series, the first time Trump tweeted about South Africa, he was watching Tucker Carlson interview a policy analyst from the Heritage Foundation. Just something to mull over, I guess and whoever it was that the delegation was able to meet with at the White House, that person received an official memorandum from Solidarity,

and they also posted that document to their website. Much like Ernst Rutz, they're grateful to the Trump administration for raising awareness about the plight of the white South African but they too want the United States to use its power to pressure South Africa to bend to the will of whites, rather than simply offering those aggrieved white South Africans the opportunity to settle in the United States. Much of the text of this memorandum reads pretty transparently as

an attempt to smooth over the whole treason situation. They emphasize repeatedly that they do not support Trump's decision to cut off humanitarian aid, and they urge Washington not to suspend the African Growth and Opportunity Act, a US law that allows some African nations, including South Africa, tariff free access to US markets. And as much as they appreciate Trumps offer to take Africaners as refugees, they want to stay.

One section of the memo reads, although individuals may qualify for a resettlement program, the majority of Africaners will still remain in South Africa. During the past thirty years, Africaners have begun to establish cultural infrastructure in South Africa so that we can still live here freely and safely in order for us to make a sustainable contribution toward the country and all its people. This is being done under the banner of the Solidarity movement, with Solidarity and AFROFUM

being the largest organizations. Security structures, social structures, job structures, training structures, and cultural structures have been established. All of this is being done without state support, and at the bottom of that section they make several recommendations. They recommend the United States should, instead of offering refugee resettlement, offer direct aid to these Africaner communities quote to assist with

community infrastructure protecting Africaners. This includes security structures, social structures, job structure, training structures, and infrastructure to settle africaners in vulnerable places in a concentrated manner. So they're saying they want help moving all of the white people to a place in South Africa. Still they don't want to leave South Africa, but they need help moving all of the

white people into a concentrated place. So a place that's all white, and that sounds kind of like a mini ethno state, a folkstot, if you will, an island of apartheid and a sea of integration, and that does in fact already exist. And here's where I have to confess something to you. I overlooked something in retrospect pretty obvious. Remember I said a few minutes ago that Ernst Rutz had resigned from his position with Solidarity and his trip to the United States in March of twenty twenty five

was totally separate from this delegation. Well it might not have actually been that separate. I mean they flew here separately, They were here during different weeks, and they claimed to be from separate organizations. Roots was here in the United States with used Stridum, the current sy of Urania, a white separatist community in South Africa's Northern Cape province. Yako Kleinhans, the International liaison for Solidarity, who was here with that

other delegation. He used to be the CEO of Irania. He and his family live there. His wife, Magdalen, was featured in a Guardian article about the community in twenty nineteen. She runs the call center in Irania that recruits members and solicits donations. So they're the same people. The Venn diagram is a circle. They present slightly different public faces.

I mean, Solidarity was allowed into the White House while the delegation officially from Irania was stuck doing events like Wine Wednesday at the New York Young Republicans Club.

And in February, while that first delegation, the one from Solidarity was in Washington, d C. An American neo Nazi group posted photos of their trip to South Africa. A regional chapter within the Active Club Network visited Urania quote to gain a deeper understanding of how whites can form intentional communities. During the first week of March, the delegation from Solidarity finished out their trip in the United States with a visit to California. Specifically, they went to Los Angeles.

More specifically, they had lunch with Joel Poum, the editor at large of the far right rag Breitbart. After lunch, Pollock tweeted a photo captioned just had lunch at a kosher restaurant owned by Steven Spielberg's mom with four gentlemen from afroform Slash Solidarity. The South African government is investigating them for treason for the crime of sharing their views of Americans. The treason was delicious, okay, Joel, not to nitpick and first of all, super cringe, but Steven Spielberg's

mom is dead. Lea Adler, Spielberg's mother did open the restaurant The Milky Way in Los Angeles, in nineteen seventy seven, but the restaurant closed after her death in twenty seventeen. Her children reopened the restaurant in twenty nineteen. So it is still the same restaurant in the same place, but it isn't owned by a woman who's been dead for eight years. But it's probably much more important that you

know one other fact about this lunch. At the time, in the first week of March of twenty twenty five, Joel Pollock was widely believed to be Trump's pick for ambassador to South Africa. There'd been no official public nomination, but Pollock was out there telling people that and going on the news in South Africa to that effect. And after lunch, Yacho Kline Hunts from Solidarity reposted that picture and offered his full throated endorsement of Pollock's appointment as ambassador.

But barely two weeks after that lunch, Joel Pollock's chances of getting that job dropped to mere zero. Things were already a little dicey for him, considering he'd been publicly calling for sanctions against President Cyril Ramaposa personally, specifically because of South Africa's continued opposition to the genocide and Gaza. But the nail in the coffin really seems to have been his direct, per personal involvement in the expulsion of

South Africa's ambassador to the United States. On March fourteenth, twenty twenty five, the United States of America expelled the foreign diplomat. This sort of thing happens from time to time. Article nine of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations establishes a pretty broad authority for this quote. The receiving state may, at any time, and without having to explain its decision, notify the sending state that the head of the mission or any member of the diplomatic staff of the mission

is persona non grata. It wasn't uncommon during the Cold War, usually after allegations of espionage, whether real or imagined, and it can be a way for a country to send a political message, to say to a country, we're kind of upset with you right now, even if the diplomatic staff themselves haven't done anything wrong. Several countries expelled Syrian diplomats in twenty twelve in response to the murder of

civilians in Hala. In twenty twenty one, President Aragon declared diplomats from ten countries persona non grata and Turkey after those countries governments had called for the release of an imprisoned Turkish activist. Several Israeli diplomats were expelled from Britain and Australia in twenty ten after both countries discovered that Israel had used forged British and Australian passports to carry

out assassinations in Dubai. In twenty eleven, the US ambassador to Ecuador was expelled after Wikilik's revealed that she believed President Korea had been aware of corruption within his police force, and the United States responded by expelling Ecuador's ambassador in return. And sometimes it's not even political. The decision may be the result of personal misconduct by a member of the diplomatic staff. With some rather specific exceptions, ambassadors and their

staff have diplomatic immunity. They can't be prosecuted, but they can be expelled. So for example, in twenty seventeen, New Zealand had to expel an American diplomat after the man got into some kind of violent physical altercation and the American government refused to waive his diplomatic community so that it could be prosecuted. In twenty twelve, the Philippines expelled

the Panamanian diplomat accused of rape. Honestly, a lot of the examples of this that I found were related to lower level embassy staff who got drunk, got a dui, got into fights, or committed some kind of sex crime. There have also been more than a few cases of diplomats accused of using their position to facilitate drug trafficking.

We have nothing to discuss with him, and so he is considered persona non grad up. That last bit is in all caps, which is why I had to yell it, and for the record, on that read, I did pronounce Ibrahim Russul's name Ibrahim Razul, which is his name. But in this I guess official State Department tweet, Marco Rubio did misspell his name as Emra him Ressool, So take

that as you will. But Rubio's tweet included a link to a Breitbart article, the headline of which is South African Ambassador Ibrahim Razul Colan Trump is leading global white supremacist movement. The article, written by Joel Pollock, had gone up earlier that same day. Article might not be the right word for it. I don't know what you call what appears on Breitbart's website, but Pollock only actually wrote six sentences in the original piece, but those sentences frame

the actual content. It's a video clip accompanied by a transcript of the video of statements made by South African Ambassador Ibrahim Rasul during a webinar hosted by the Mapungubwe Institute for Strategic Reflection, a South African think tank just called MISTRA for short.

within Trump's narrative, But he didn't say anything wild. He's not calling for violence or talking about radical shifts in policy. He's a diplomat, right. He was just making correct observations about the political climate that it is his job to navigate. But those remarks, with Joel Pollock's six sentences of commentary, made their way to Marco Rubio within hours, and by that afternoon, Rubio had declared Rasoul persona nograda and ordered

him to leave the United States. When Rozoul arrived home in South Africa on March twenty third, he issued a statement He's standing by what he said about the Trump administration, and his four page statement has some real bangers. It goes pretty hard as far as diplomatic statements go. Quote, when we have been the victims of apartheid and saw how it cannot tolerate free speech and independent judiciary or even peaceful dissent, then we can smell the birth of

chauvinism globally since the fear it engenders. Hear its words and see its signs. And Razul says that quote. In meetings with Senators and Congress members, and in the weekly forums we addressed of think tanks and business associations, and in the few meetings with the administration, we were forced to discuss seriously how Africaners could be refugees in the USA, while A and C leaders are threatened with personal sanctions, we had to have void arguing how there was a

genocide in Israel. But diplomacy is not the art of lying. It is the art of telling the truth gently and constructively. Pollack sees on one line of that statement, in particular, a parenthetical mention of an anonymous participant in the webinar, who Rasoul calls one ex South African anti intellectual hatchetman hiding under a pseudonym, and that's obviously a reference to

Joel Pollock. Rasoul is implying that Pollock himself not only joined that webinar live, but participated in it without disclosing his name or affiliation, and in this case his affiliation would be editor of American conservative website Breitbart dot com and also current contender for American Ambassador to South Africa. Because during the Q and A portion, the moderator read submitted questions out loud, and when he did so, he read the question asker's name, and when the question was

from a reporter, the name of the outlet. The very first question though, was from anonymous.

incompetence a defense to defamation in South African law? So Pollack is in this tweet insinuating that he could sue Ibrahim Rescoul for defamation for implying that Pollock was in the webinar. I don't know anything about South African law, but I don't think in an American court a claim of defamation would hold up because he didn't actually say Joel Pollock's name. I guess if Joel Pollock identifies publicly as an anti intellectual hatchet man, he's welcome to make

that argument in court. But I digress, because back to his actual acclaim, he's saying he wasn't in the webinar live. He watched the replay on YouTube hours after the ended. And the problem with that is that it isn't true. The webinar was live. You could pre register and participate in the Zoom meeting, or you could just watch it live on YouTube. And the event was from ten am to noon Johannesburg time, and that means that it started at four am here on the East Coast and one

am in California, which is where Joel Pollack lives. And I'm reasonably certain he was indeed in California that day because the night before he posted a photo of the sunset, and that morning he posted a photo of the sun rise, and both photos were posted at the time that the sun rose and set in the part of California where

he lives, and there are visible palm trees. So when Joel Pollock tweeted the link to his article at eight forty five am Eastern time, that's five forty five am, where he lives, and the source code for the web page shows that the article went live at eight thirty five am Eastern. Again, that's five thirty five am Pacific, and that's two and a half hours after the event ended.

Those six sentences didn't take two hours to write, but he would have had to download the entire video, cut the sections he wanted to post, transcribe those sections, and get everything onto the website. The other problem, though, is not how long it would have taken to cut the clips. It's that he could not have watched a two hour video and then written the article if he didn't start watching the video until quote hours after the event ended

and the final video was available for playback online. An op ed written by the director of the think tank that hosted the event takes aim at Pollack, arguing that it was no accident that his article made its way to the White House so quickly. Quote Russeul has been

articulating these views and other interactions with US audiences. The difference in this case is that Joel Pollack at Breitbart News himself campaigning to be US ambassador in South Africa, selectively quoted from Russeul's presentation deliberately to incite the US administration. But Joel Pollock got what he wanted, kind of. He got Ibrahim Russeul expelled from the United States, got him fired. Ibrahim Russeul isn't the ambassador to the United States anymore.

It's a bit of a monkey's paw situation for Joel Pollock, though the whole affair ended up ruining his own ambitions of becoming an ambassador. Within days of all this going down, Julius Malema's Economic Freedom Fighter's party vowed that they would block Pollock from entering South Africa at all if he was appointed ambassador, and they said that they could ensure

President Ramaposo wouldn't accept the appointment. A presidential spokesman was a little more diplomatic about this, but they did go on the record that the President was concerned about the possibility of Pollock being appointed ambassador because quote, he is engaged in a very divisive and very damaging manner towards

South Africa and South Africa related issues. By March twenty six, just twelve days after Pollock's post cost Ambassador to School his job, it was clear that he'd cost himself the ambassador's job to Trump boasted on Truth Social that he would be nominating Brent Bozell as the United States Ambassador to South Africa. Brent Mozelle is not a better choice. There's a lot of history behind that name, especially considering he shares it with his father, Leo Brent Mozell the Second.

He was William F. Buckley's best friend and Joseph McCarthy's speech writer. And then there is of course his son, Leo Brent Bozell the fourth, who was convicted of five felonies before getting pardoned along with all of the other January six rioters. And we can't get into all that not today. The thing you might be interested to know about Leo Brent Mozell the Third is that he pretty actively opposed the idea of ending apartheid, and not just

as a casual private opinion. This wasn't an ugly thought he was having at home by himself.

analysts from groups like the Heritage Foundation. They also brought in a South African political activist named John Gogotya. Gogatya was the founder and leader of a political organization in South Africa. It was allegedly a group of black moderates who opposed multi racial democracy. Gogotya actually made several trips to the United States to lobby against US sanctions on

the apartheid regime. He did turn out to be employed by South African military intelligence, but you probably already guessed that. That same year, nineteen eighty seven, Bozell produced a series of television commercials urging Americans to write to the White House to express their support for the Nicaraguan contras. Before the commercials were released, Bozell attended a screening of the videos with his special guest, Death Squad leader Adolfo Calero.

So there's definitely some baggage there for Bozell. The South African Party that he was calling terrorists in nineteen eighty seven, holds the presidency right now. Cyril Ramaposa, the current President of South Africa, was one of the African National Congress's negotiators during the talks that ended apartheid. While there was some public uncertainty as to whether Ramaposa would admit Pollock as an ambassador, I haven't seen any speculation that the

President would refuse to accept Bozell. But honestly, once Trump posted that online that he was going to nominate Bozell, there was not a lot of follow up to that, so I guess we'll have to wait and see if he's even confirmed. Because among the countless problems created every day by the current administration is this lack of follow up.

It seems like every day the President just fires off some half baked demand that doesn't really have any clear force of law or plan for implementation, and maybe some government office is working on implementing the new policy, and

maybe they aren't. It's hard to say that Executive order back in February called for the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security to prioritize humanitarian relief, including admission and resettlement through the United States Refugee Admissions program for Africanners, and then a month later, on March seventh, he posted on truth Social any farmer with family from South Africa seeking to flee that country for reasons of safety will be invited to the United States of America

with a rapid pathway to citizenship. This process will begin immediately. A few weeks later, the website for the US Embassy in South Africa posted a very generic set of FAQs about the refugee admissions program, but it doesn't have any

information specific to this program or any particular timeline. It just directs those who are interested in inquiring about the program to send a message to a State Department email address Pretoria PRM info, and the PRM there is the abbreviation for the State Department's Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration, So at the very least we know the State Department set up an email address.

thousand applications that had already been received. And in last week, on April twenty fourth, Reuters reported that US refugee officers had in fact flown to Pretoria to begin interviewing the applicants whose applications were successfully reviewed, and they report that at least thirty Afrikaners who had applied for refugee resettlement have had their applications approved.

States as refugees. The homepage has a very helpful set of FAQs. You're basics like do I need a visa? Do I need a lawyer? And they say no on both of those, you don't need that. It's going to be easy. They assure the reader that, of course you can take your pets with you. The job market is great there, and you don't need any vaccinations. My favorite question, though, is will I have to prove persecution? And the answer is no, you don't have to prove it. Quote no,

you don't. This requirement only occurs when an individual slash group initiates the refugee status request where the circumstances in the problem country are unknown. In the South Africa case, the US is not only aware of the racial prejudice towards minorities, but President Trump himself has laid out the case to that effect. So there you have it. This is the most obvious and clear cut case of persecution

that has ever existed in human history. People who are fleeing active genocides, active war zones have to do that, yes, but if you're a white person in South Africa, it's very obvious that you are suffering, so don't even bother.

And the site assures prospective refugees that this program isn't just for farmers, even though Trump seems to have been motivated by the twin boogeymen of farm murders and farm seizures, issues that even if they were real, would only affect farmers, but the site assures the reader that all Africaners are eligible. Guidance from the administration has been muddled and rare and contradictory.

In several of his comments, Trump is definitely using the word farmers, but in the executive Order he does use the word africaners. A statement from a State Department official used the language descendants of settlers being abused by the government, and a State Department document just as disfavored minorities. And it sounds like everyone is just trying to avoid saying white people. And I guess that's good news for Katya Biden,

that woman who works for the Americaners website. She was wearing a make America Great Again hat when she showed up at the embassy for her interview, But she isn't a farmer. According to her personal website, she is a self love coach. For just two hundred dollars an hour, you can call Katya on Zoom for a one on one faith based trauma recovery session to heal from your

toxic relationships. It's audio only, though, she is not going to turn on the camera, not even if you buy the twenty dollars twelve week Self Love Journey mentoring package. Aside from Biden, everyone Reuter spoke to declined to be named in the article, so it's hard to s out how many people went in for interviews, what their stories

are if they're all sincere. But I did find one woman on Facebook who has been posting in multiple groups for Africaners interested in moving to the United States, and she actually started posting about this a few days before The New York Times broke the story that US officials had begun conducting the interviews in Pretoria. So I'm inclined to believe she is talking about a real thing that happened because she couldn't have pulled this from the news.

So a few days before that story broke, a woman named Anna Lee posted, Hi, everybody, my husband and I just finished our preliminary interview with the US Embassy in Pretoria. From what I understand, the interviewers were delegates SLASH, representatives of the Bureau of Population Refugees in Migration US Department of State just sent to South Africa for this week's interviews.

Traveling back to the US tonight, she stated in our invitational email, but this interview was to collect information on individual's experience, not for a f application. She was very polite, asked us a few basic questions, then spent most of the ninety plus minutes asking, listening, and typing our life experiences and instances where SLASH when we were affected, deprived, persecuted, or wronged due to our race. A lot of detail

was asked. Most of the focus was on these specific experiences, and she goes on to say that she doesn't have much more information, but she was told that she'll hear from Homeland Security in the coming weeks and that officers from the US Refugee Admissions Program will be arriving in South Africa sometime soon. Unnily and her husband do not appear to be farmers. Her husband is a real estate agent. They have several adult children, and they appear to be

financially secure enough to enjoy the occasional international vacation. But I think it's really interesting that she noted how fixated that State Department employee was on collecting anecdotes about white persecution. They spent most of that hour and a half long interview trying to get them to talk about times where

they'd experienced anti white racism. And then just last week, on April twenty fifth, Katyabeden, that employee of the Americaners Network, tweeted that the first South African families approved for resettlement in the United States will arrive here quote next week, which, if she's telling the truth, would mean that they could already be here as you're listening to this. The administration has still not offered any clear explanation of how the

process works or if it's already underway. So it's possible she's making that up to keep people hopeful, to keep them going to her website. But it's equally possible that the Trump administration plucked a couple of the most racist families in South Africa and just put them on a plane to Georgia or something. We don't know. Will Trump follow through on any part of this hard to say there is so much more to say about this story,

especially because turns out it isn't over. But I know this story has been going on for too long because I'm starting to recognize the words when I open a web page that's in Afrikaans. I had imagined a much tidier ending to this story, one that I poured two months and more than fifty thousand words into. But to be quite honest with you, I watched way too much Trucker Carlson this week, and I'm trying to have a

wedding in a couple of days. I won't be back with brand new, full length episodes for the next two weeks, but I am going to try to get something together so that there's something for you on your feed while I'm gone, so you won't.

probably won't answer it. It's something personal.