Ep. 75 "The Prototype"

for tuning in. Man, Hey, j hey girl, we're going on. How was your weekend? Ship? What are do this weekend? Oh? My god, baby turn one this weekend like such a lit party for her. It was really an adult party, honestly, Like she was sleepy the whole time with the party honestly, and we was just drinking. We had like cocktails, you know, name for her and it was such a good time. We had so much fun. I was all down bad.

I stayed in the bed all day Sunday because I had I was lit Saturday for one year, shame party. That's how it be. For the kid's birthdays, sho turned to the adult party after six. Yeah, it was adult party from the time it started. Shame Yeah. What about you? What you do this weekend? Yeah? Remember I told you last he goes into Atlanta this week So that's what I did all weekend. Oh yeah, drinking and smoking and

all of all. Had a whole ship you could think of. Okay, no three SOMs and no ship like that, but all around ship, y'all can think of tomato, tomato, all about had the whole ship y'all could think of. I was doing it and my body shut the funk down. On Sunday, y'all noticed. I've been canceling a lot of flights. I don't know if anybody's been flying recently, but about the grace of God, I made it home. My flight was a laid, not canceled, and I just sucked up my day.

Atlanta Airport is terrible. First of all, it took me an hour to get through security. Just ruined my whole ship. But all in all, it was a good trip. That's my That was my birthday celebration for the most part. So I hung out with my home girl. We ate a lot of good food. One thing about Atlanta, The motherfucker's got some good food in Atlanta. There's so many restaurants. If you open a business there, that ship is gonna thrive because Nigga is gonna show up. Every place is

packed all the time. You haven't you haven't in at the steakhouse called House mhm. They have really good food. It's a vibe. And if you're looking for a white zaddy, that's where you go. Ladies. Okay, the white zaddi's getting off of work, but they button up and slacks there in there. The golf players, they in there, so all the working girls. Yes, I mean like it's a two floor house. H a l postri apostrophe s it's two

floors full of white daddy's. Did you get one? No, because I was in there with a black zaddy, So no, I got no white daddy I was looking for. But yeah, it was good vibes, great vibes. Yep, that sounds like fun. I might get me a steak and some white meat on the side. Just joking, guys, let's get into stupid internet news child. What we got going on this week. It's a slow week, you don't think, Yeah, it was.

So apparently the reps from Ripley's Museum is coming for kim K because y'all remember she where she wore um Marilyn Monrose famous tear drop, a little diamond, little number, a little strappy dress for the mat Galla this year, and they posted pictures online and how it had a few of the beads the bedazzled missing off of it. We're talking about how old is this dress? Fifty years, sixty years old or some ship? Kim K went on a strict diet to lose weight to even fit the dress.

First of all, she got in it and it got some damage. You know, That's what happened when you wear ships sometimes, that's what happened when we wear old ship like that, that ship, this drift store at this point, dry rot at this point. Imagine you all trying to come for her about that ship. Yeah, like, I don't think that's dumb. Like, listen, don't let her wear the dress if you didn't want it to be you know, potentially ruined. Like and yeah, why you want to wear

a dead woman's dress anyway? Why do you want to wear that dress. What type of goddamn conjuring where you're trying to do that night? Why do you want it? I knew, I thought we might be able to go one episode when the cat I just don't want to give the people a different perspective. This is a wild world we're living in, right, y'all. Don't realize how time speeding up, should is just getting crazy and crazy and crazy at every fucking day. Why are you wearing this

dead woman's dress? Is like? To me? So you won't wear a dead woman ship? No? No, I would define Houston's fur right now. I would do a replica like I wouldn't I would? I guess I respect the dead a little bit more, I guess, so i'd wear a replica of it. Did she need to wear the actual dress? Mail and Meroe or to me, Kim Baby, yeah you you you're not that I fucking conic man comes. No, Kim is iconic now, I don't think so, not for me,

not to me as iconic as Marilyn Monroe. Are we going to be having the posters of Kim King on our wall thirty years from now? We won't, but maybe these the young people might. I don't think so I just don't think so okay, she might be then she might be the starlet of our time. I can see Beyonce, but we also know we already know that Kim can't even sit with Beyonce. I can see to some people, Kim Cass said, would Beyonce? You like beyonce new song? I love the lyrics. It's not the beat and all that,

but the lyrics of it. I'm not Drake and Beyonce came out with like house music this week, and I feel like I need to be like rich and doing cocus something to be listening to get some Coke sniffed off, asked on the back of a boat, everything right exactly? Every time? I like, I was listening to Drake's album earlier at work and I was It made me think of that episode of Martin what was the white character and they was having that party in the inst the phone.

He was like, oh my good, things are going really well right now here. WHOA that's was listening to that album? Why the fund does WHOA go at? Coke would be like, WHOA, I'm trying to score some blow? Oh my god, you got any blow? I like those larrics though, for Beyonce that ship, like that motherfucker said, quit that job. Don't be letting people stress you out. Like I feel like that's what our our generation in particular, that's what we're on.

I mean, I liked the song, but I'm not just putting it on in the car and ride down this for me, I don't I mean beating all that. I literally listened to the song for a maybe a minute, and then I just read the lyrics because that's what resonated with me the most, not not really the music. My getto asked, need a bass drum? I need a bass drums? You need them eight o eights? Yeah, I need that in the back socket? No that you know,

that's no, that's the devil. Right. Oh, here we go. Hey, look, I just want y'all to just be knowing stuff all right, y'all know, like pro tools is what they're using the studios, right. Pro tools was created by the government. Back in the day. All our music was acoustic. We played instruments. It's just a different frequency. So now that eight o eight, that drumbeat we love so much and wrap fucking music, it's a problem. This is why you addicted to that ship

and that's why niggas be Papa pills. Listening to on the Way to kill somebody, our ancestors. You played drune. That that's what I'm saying. They played real drums. They weren't playing mechanical drums off of a computer with a fucking evil last frequency coming through. But yeah, and y'alla, yawn, it's real, man changed the music change to people. That's true. So I appreciate this song because I feel like it's a good it's a good frequency here. You guys, you

know where I can score some blue. But look, we're gonna go ahead and get into the main topic. Y'all listening today, We want to talk about black hair and black women, uh, in relation to their hair. You know, it's a major, it's a big thing. It's a big thing for black women. Okay, please don't touch my ship. Y'all can't see me, but I'm about to put my hair in the chair beside me because it's hot them the motherfucker. Right now, let's go to commercial. We'll be

right back and we'll get into it. Okay, Well you're back, y'all, and let's guess what. I got. Two of my very best friends on the show, and we're talking black hair with them, and one of them I've known since I was a little girl, and we started doing each other's hair like as kids, fucking each other's hair up. And then one of them I'm known for at least seven years, and I've been doing her hair the whole time, and I love them both very much. Thank you all for

joining us today, Thank you, thanks for the thanks. So Stacy, tell our listeners a little bit about yourself. Hi everyone, I'm Stacy Mitchell. I've been the hairstyles for twenty one years, but I started way before then, about four years old, playing her Barby's. Um, I love it? Can you think of anything else I want to do? And you still love it? I still love it, but I give myself break so I can continue to love it. M that's smart.

That's smart smart. And then uh to me can introduce yourself. Hi, Tamika down but yeah, um but from Virginia living here in Charlotte now, um, you just happy to be here. Thank you for joining us a bit. So yeah, I think most styles I think I've probably been doing here since first grade, but I never got my license to do here because I cannot stand the customer service aspect of dealing with black women, and they fucking here, Okay, did you do a bit here on Thursday and see

her ass on Monday? She unless I'm nigga pulling that ship all weekend and now you ain't did it right. So that's the fact. That's a fact. The customer service aspect is trying at times, and sometimes it does make me want to quit, Like, you know what, funk these bitches. I'm sticking y'all cut my hair and make it a little longer, dumb assh it like that, Like how I'm gonna cut your hair and make it look longer, bitch.

So sometimes it can be like crazy with black women in our expectations for hair stacy, have you do you have any experience with that? Like what your customers like? What do you do? You know? After so many years, I've tried to figure out the best plan for that, and I really just over the liver and under sell it, like if I know there's a possibility things won't turn out. I'm trying to be really upfront about it. But I don't have a whole lot of problems like that anymore.

I promise I have gotten it down to a science where bitches just be happy all the time. Well, they know upfront, like I can't make a miracle, you know, we talked about it before and they're always pleasantly surprised after I try to make it work. You can't just make blonde hair out of blue black hair, you know, and one day, but you know, you gotta just let them know you might be a little redhead for a while, right, unless it's a week at we would throw that ship

on top and you could be blind, right. Yeah. I try to be honest as much as possible because at the end of the day, I mean, they respect the honesty in my opinion, Tama. So you're one of my clients. Do you have any any gripes with me? As a hairstyles for you, I'm speaking for the for the clients. Now, we had heard from the stylus, so we'd be put the customer from We'll be leading it on y'all down because you know, let us be five minutes late. You

you're texting your calling and you're on your way. I just sat there with you. Yeah, I want my way, So I did you know, I guess it's on both sides of the spectrum, Like you know, give and tape. Sometimes y'all get on my nerves and sometimes you get on y'alls with the purpose side of it, because I can't really say this with you tame me. But I've had other stylists where I'm they literally triple book and I'm sitting there waiting two hours on top of my

appointment time, you know, to get my hair done. And if I would have did the same thing, if I'm freaking thirty minutes late, you canceling ship, you you're blocking me. You trying to me a seventy five dollars to try

to book with you again. You know, sometimes sometimes I feel like starting this need to be a little bit leanent when it comes to Sometimes life happens, sometimes we maybe a little bit late, and then sometimes you know, we love y'all, so sometimes when on y'all day off and we see a cute hairstyle, like I wanted she could do this, and I get it, that's y'all time, but y'all forget that that relationship with us so we

can feel like we can do that. I literally like Sunday night, like you like this, No, this not right now. I don't like that right now? And I try to slideing in and now I'll try to slide it in and you know, we'll be having a good conversation. I'd be like, I've seen this, and she catch you on, like bitch, you'm off, like shi, yeah, we do to that. We get spoiled, like you guys really be trying, and I get it. Y'all need your days off to peace

of mind. When you talk about here today and we talked about so, and you know what, And in your defense, some of these stylists have gotten outrageous with the rules and the expectations of their clients, like come with your hair wash, come with your hair braided down, so with in yourself and then I'm a curly foot and yourself how to do all that? I don't know how to do.

But I can't bless my own stuff down. Oh in my experience, I tried to say, hey, I can squeeze you in if you sha't put your own hair, and that's the only way I can get you in, and they come with the greasiest I'm like, never, I don't trust my clients and sha't p with their hair. I shampool their hair and so it can flow and be soft I just can't. But also what you're saying to Maka about silence with their grace peer is and running

behind and stuff, I mean it is. It's a slippery slope because if you have a stylist that's on time and wants to be on time and respects and never makes you wait, then and she's gonna be on time with you. That means if you have a dinner appointment at eight o'clock, you can make that appointment. But and everybody wants that, you know, you want to be in

and out, and that's great. But then if she's that type of stylens and never like runs behind, then she can't squeeze you in because she has to stick to a schedule. So it's always a catch twenty two with it. You know, it's like be on time or take me whenever I need you to do me. You know, it's tough. It's tough. Oh yeah, I didn't think about it like that. Or it'll be like you was late, but it don't

even be the stylist. It will be like somebody who was before you was late, right, and I allowed them to come late, and now it's pushed my whole day back. But now to you as a client. You're late as a hair stylist. It don't matter what else happened. So now they're like, but you was late this time, So now I'm a hundred minutes late today. You know it's

but I don't charge for that. I'm not one of you know those people like fifteen minutes late, you start paying twenty dollars for every five minutes late after that. I just that's unfair. I feel like that's unfair practice. It can get out control. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's unfair. And sometimes sometimes I'm late just because I ain't shore. Sometimes I ain't even gonna lie. Sometimes I'll be sleep. Well,

I've been on the other end of it. I went out my eyebrows micro blading, and I didn't engage the traffic, and she was like, let me see if I can move my next client. If not, I can't take you. And she politely kept my deposit and could not take me because I was late, and I had to respect it because when can I do? You know, she told me up front it was tough that I ate that hundred dollars, but yes, dollars is a lot to eat. Yes, that was my deposit. No, I'm refundable. I had a

bit trying to fight me over her deposit. In turn, for real, she was put she pulled up outside. I was like, girl, given you wanted to talk, Okay, that's fine because I've been in the gym. Get your ass just locked the door, right, So let's talk about our childhood and our hair, like our relationship with our hair as kids. Like, did y'all feel like your hair was beautiful as a child where you brought up in a household where there was emphasis on your hair and the

beauty of it. M I would say, no, Um, it was basically good hair and bad hair type thing with you know, she got good hair if her hair was you know, a certain way and straighter, or it was a bad hair. So um, I don't think growing up we really embraced our hair like we do now, which is beautiful. Like my daughter she you know, she will rock her natural hair. You know back then when I was growing up, it was like oh no, like yeah,

it was like relaxed, textorized. This is that you know, if you had any type of kink in it or any type of wave, you had bad hair. Right, So say me and Stacy, I remember what sixth grade, we were doing each other's just for me, what was what was that permit? A box stream and nature, whichever one was four dollars and ninety seven, burning the ship out of our heads because it was not learning it was

right right. Yeah. So I'm the youngest of three girls, so in the house of just four women, I didn't get shipped for real, So I didn't learn to do my own here. But I did have a fucking Jerry curl. I had a nouveau wave, and then the Jerry curl came out camp finally, you know, swimming all the summer long, so my mom just never got the Jerry curl back in there. But from that point I was doing my own hair all the time. Mm hmm from a little yeah,

me too. So nobody really teaches to manage your hair, and it's time consuming also that we were learning now as adults, once we stopped doing the perms and everything else, it's a little bit more time consuming to keep up with your natural hair. Do y'all think that people are now spending more money on natural hair than they did when they when perms were absolutely yes, m well, natural hair costs more in general, like them in the salon.

If you get your hair done in your natural costs more than get your hair done if you're if you're relaxed, and then just the amount of products you need. If you get go to the salon and you have a relaxed there, you can wrap. It's just a wrap, I mean, but when you get your hair done now, if you're natural, you have to buy a ton of products to keep up with it. You know, we spray a little light oil.

She and it kept going back in the day. I mean, it was I didn't even know all this stuff would exist with hair, like steam treatment, like growing up, steam treatments and all that. When I first seeing that, I was like, okay, well what black women natural hair? Didn't

do anything with it? No products? How would how would how would y'all think our relationships would be if we actually walked around with our natural hair without having to do all the manipulation that we have to do to make it look nice, you know for our current So you mean basically not but we can still hold it.

But it would just everybody would have whatever the natural texture maybe maybe you know, the foresty like forcy hair or whatever the other the spectrum hair it's just like for real natural because even with using all the products, is your hair really still natural? Yeah? That's what I was gonna say, AJ, Like, is it really still natural hair? Because all the manipulation of the hair, all this taming the hair, all of this, that's really not the natural

state of your hair. Like you that hair be get a lot of help to little. Yes, I feel like no, that definitely would be something with men would be like, especially man, you know what's going on with that? Like, what's what's up with your hair? Yeah, let's get you know, I got a home girl who she would always wear so Wind's wigs and stuff like that. And then her the guy she got with, like he was asking her to stopping up first for me, a J I give a disclaimer the niggas when I meet them. Look, I

wear we've all the time. Don't wait a year from now to be trying to come at me by my motherfucker, We've. No, I'm wearing my hair natural. If I feel like it, I might, but you won't have anything to do with that. Right, So she changed that her style for her dude, right, But then he then realized how much longer it was

taking her to get ready. That frustrated him more than her wearing the wigs, so he suggested her to go back to wearing weaves, just because it was taking her longer to get ready when they had some ship to do. The question, do y'all feel like men are more attracted to women with their natural hair or with we've black women? That's a horrid one quite silence. They say one thing, they say one thing. You know, well, I can speak for my husband. He loves long we've, He likes a

short cut. He even likes my sister lots. And I was worried about that for sure, But he just wants you to look done, no matter what. Make sure you look done, like, don't come out have stepping whatever it is. That's how he feels. That's what I'm finding with a lot of men, like as long as they look good it that's what I feel like nex to be, Like, as long as it look nice, I don't care if it's natural weed or whatever. You got long? Is this

complimenting you? And you know a lot of men they say they want natural women, which there are plenty, Like there's a type of black woman out here for every type of black man. Right, So my suggestion to many. Right, if you don't like we've, don't get with a woman that where is we've and then trying to change her? Right if you don't, Yeah, if you don't like absolutely, I mean, if you like natural hair. There's so many women now wearing their natural hair and whatever state that

might be, and you can pick one of them. But they like the long hair, Yeah, right, they do a j um to your point, I do I give that disclaimer to like, listen, were we I look like weat meals at night? If this ship slid off. So if you don't like that, that's cool. Maybe I'm not a woman for you, but that's me and just gonna personal note. I just feel like a lot of me and need to stay out of black woman's business when it comes

to hair. You know, I have alopecia, y'all my girl, so I can let you all know with tam knows. So when you speak a lot of times on okay wearing weeds and stuff like, shut the funk up. You don't know I wear weed because I got I have to real you know, like you don't even know what you're talking about, Like you you're talking about ship, you don't even got. It's not even your business. You don't

even know what you're talking about. Be mindful of what you say so because I'm completely upfront about a lot of ship about me. So if I'm not that girl for you, then that's okay. Like you said, it's a lot of girls out here who are completely natural, who don't wear weeds, who you know will be just what you like. But don't try to come over here and try to switch me up, because I'm good. I'm good

with what I got corn on. You know. When I let's say I'm dating an again, I'm wearing a wig at the time, and let's say I'm spending the night with him for the first time, I'll be like, look, ship to get different. My hair, it's gonna be in the bathroom, and I'm gonna put my scar phone, and I want you to treat that ship like a crown when I come out to the bathroom. Okay, you're gonna be alarmed by my hair. That's gonna still be in

the bathroom, you know. And if you walk in my room, I got a whole Listen, you know how you got the hook that you lay your hats on. That's a whole. So don't be scared. If you want you see blood different on the right right, listen. I have one of my niggers all right coming and he saw my wig hanging, and you know that episode of Martin ware Pan was that ain't no goddamn. He started out of my wig like shut up, like you beat this out of my wig like that? Yo. Yeah, y'all, let's take a break

right quick. We'll be right back. I went to Atlanta this weekend and running the streets during ball Head and Whole Ship and uh, I went out to lunch one of my guy friends, and I've never realized he was like a super duper Kevin Samuel's supporter. Right anyway, I thought he'd get bitches, because I feel like half the time is for niggas who don't get bitches. But I thought he'd get bitches. I don't know. So apparently some of his friends have divested out the community and they've

moved to places like, uh, um, the Philippines. They've moved to Columbia to get women right because you know, for whatever reason, they just can't find a suitable black woman in America. Um. And what I was trying to explain to him is that these bitches coming from the slums. So if you want somebody that you just gotta take care of, and they they're not gonna say nothing that. Yeah,

y'all might need to do that. But we know that these women are gonna be um, you know, our complexion, darker, lighter, whatever. These are gonna be women with naturally long hair, naturally curly hair. And this is what the standard of beauty is, I believe a lot of times for black men. Do y'all think that of black women in America? Specifically? If all of us had long, naturally curly hair where your man can touch your fucking scalp during sex, would you

think that men would stay within the community more? Do men? Are men really like that? Like, as far as the aesthetics of hair, are they that shallow? I think they're very shallow? Are I don't know? Some are j I just feel like I don't come across that kind of guy. Like, I mean, I see my friends and their boos or man or whatever, and they're like, don't can you put your bonnet on? Baby? You know, like my nigga, I don't wear up on it. I mean I'm locked up right now. But I mean I've seen a lot of

support and love. I mean, there are some men out there that are just gonna find a reason to complain. Um, because you can also make your hair loose curl. I'm atina curl stylens. If anybody's seping for one, um and so you know it can be done. I mean lots of people walking around with a curl thing is their natural hair. I mean, if you want loose curls, you can get a song with loose curls. I mean, if they're gonna find a reason to complain, if you have it,

it'll be something else. Yeah, I agree for that type of person. A lot of mes just like what do ass titties? I don't care right? What about right? Right? Right? But we ain't gonna actually once they find out what those things do that they don't just start going into some other ship. It's like almost an ever. The guys talking loud as a small community. That's just a right in my minority. Yeah. Um, so apparently black women. I

don't know who the businesses is, but whatever. Apparently we're spending like four hundred and seventy three million dollars annually on hair care. Apparently I found this article on Huffington's Posts or huff was it huff Post My bad? Find this article on huff Post. It says, in narrative surrounding black beauties specifically here is changing as black women embrace their curls, coils, and kinks. Marketing research backs to shift as mental reports hair relax ourselves fell thirty eight percent

between twelve and seventeen. Conversely, the black hair market is still growing each year and it's valued at two point five billion dollars. So this or this, yeah, this article does support that because now more black women are going natural, We're spending more money on hair, even women who wear We've like because underneath this this wig, underneath these tracks, I'm natural, right, So you start spending more money on

on natural hair care for me. I know, I wished I started a company where you can sample some ship and send it back if you don't want it. I know Sally's. If you use um or less of the product, you can return it. So you're just gonna try and buy some ship. But I'm a product junkie. I got so much fucking hair products it is ridiculous, and I feel like if it doesn't if I try, like for a month and ain't doing what I thought it was gonna do. I'll discard it and go buy some other ship. Right,

you're discarded my ship goes really throw it out. I keep it. I keep it, and it just being there, you know. Yeah, partying with the rest of the ship I ain't using. Yeah. I talked to my daughter. She knows everything anything about anything with hair, So I'm gonna running by her first, and then I'll be like, Okay, should I try this? Oh yeah, that's a good one.

Then I'll try it, you know. But you're right, I will trying to send some of that ship back because just because it works well for somebody, it doesn't work well for all hair types. Even the hair types is supposed to work well for they don't always. It's not always that case. So they if you could sample, sample it and send it back, that's a win win. I'll

probably got more ship because I do exactly. Because do you feel like all the younger generation, I just feel like they have a different relationship with their hair than we did growing up. Like these young kids will shave their head in a minute and don't give a damn. Like when we were growing up, our hair was like if you lost your hair like she has cancer, something is wrong. Why is her hair ball? You know that's

the only way, right. Do y'all agree that kids like what do you think is the dynamic that changed the relationship with it? And my mom did? I played if she saw a nap, it was getting relaxed. If she thought my hair was dry, was getting greased on it. Like we couldn't get in the pool. W I mean you still did. But you know, it was just a completely different aspect. Well, for one, it was um it was not called unapologetically black. Back then it was black.

But be safe and make sure you fit in and ferform to the community standards so that others won't be worried or think you look different. You know, you want to get the job and you know all that. But now it's unapologically, unapologetically black. I think that's one of the difference. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I definitely love how these kids embrace their hair, they embrace their looks. They will shave it, they will color it, they will do whatever. And if they want to wear color hair, they don't

care if anybody thinks it's ghetto or whatever. That's me. And this is what if I want to wear down my ass. I'm gonna do it because that's what I want to do. You know, they don't care, They like just all like their selves. They're out there. I love it, I told my kids, and I think that does come from us. Because I hated to be sitting on the side. I couldn't get in the pool because I just gotta relax. I was like, well, why the hell do you give

me a relaxing one week before you do? I just want to fool I gotta set the side and I can't get it. So I didn't do that to my kids, you know, like, no, get in the pool. You know, I'll figure it out. We'll do something else with your hair, you know, over these next couple of months, so that you can enjoy. So now they just know that I am not my hair. Literally, I'm not my hair. This hair gonna come from to what the funk I got going on? Not not the other way, It round right round.

Right when I was a little I accidentally, I don't know what happened, didn't get your ass. Yeah, to take that as the words, I can admit that I was one of those black women who would be going on vacation to the beach with am fucking lace front wig on for the longest and then I'm like, I really enjoy swimming, Like I like, like I'm a fish, you know, I like to be in the water. So now I don't do that ship. I'm getting me some braids. I had locks just recently, and it's the most freeing to

be able to just get up and go do. Yeah, I just still gotta deal with some ship and still gotta deal with finding the good edge control lodge. So you're still spending how much money for some fucking edge control. But but funk that too, because when I had my locks, I just was letting to do That was the most like, to be honest, y'all, when I had those locks, I didn't think I would enjoy them as much as I did, because typically I'm someone who wears long weave all the time.

And I put those locks in my hair and I was like, I get up in the morning and leaving conditioner on that ship and just go that was the best ship. I can't wait to get them back there. You give your time, your scott, your scalmeratized access to the sun. You can oil your ship like this ship plastered on my fucking forehead, right and the sun, I

mean the summertime. I feel like black women we struggle the most with our hair in the summer months, especially people living in the South, because that he is so trying with any hairs. I don't give a damn what kind of hair is that you got? Like, I'm ready to go ahead and like shave my head if I had a cute haad shape, I promise you I might shake my head, but at the top. But I don't. Took this week off and put it in the front seat and put the seatbelt on this ship. Plenty of time,

got just you haven't helped me, all right, y'all. So listen, recently, did y'all see Saucy Santana at the There was a pride concert, a pride parade or something going on in Texas recently. In his his commentary in regards to he didn't say black women. He just is saying bitches and holes.

But we know who usually who they're talking about. So um, just let me read his commentary right quick, right, So, Santana told the crowd that gaze run the world because when them bitches need their hair done, they called the gaze when they need a stylist, them holes call the gaze. When they need their makeup done, they call the gaze. Uh when them niggas when that? What do you say when the dog as baby daddy's, um hold on? When they need advice about their dog as baby daddy's, they

call the gaze. He also went on to say that how you know gay men are the blueprint? How y'all feel about that? M hm h duplicated never originated? No, I mean, I definitely feel like a lot of men on here swaying hair. But that ship came back from us. You know, that came back from us. Get credit where it's due. You know, That's how I feel. Growing up, it was women doing hair. Don't get me wrong. It may have been a couple of men sprinkled in, but that wasn't That's not my core where I saw where

men were running the show. Now again, I'll give them the male stylists, they're doing that thing, but I feel like that's whar I fetched. In my opinion. I've had clients tell me that, lots of clients or just people in general tell me that their women these are women only said that their favorite stylists was a man, gay or straight. Um. I think a lot of times for women, it just itn't makes you feel better when a man does it. I don't know why, but that's just what

I've seen in the past. Um. I have know plenty of one full talented female hair stylists and makeup artists that do an amazing job. I think it is a minority for um, gay men to be stylist, so it's like a trophy, you know, in a sense. But I think it's just so many of women doing hair that it's just awesome that have a man or I don't know. That's my little too, SAMs, I don't know. I think it's exaggerated though, Yeah, but I would rather for a woman.

I feel more comfortable with sister doing my little woman doing my hair just me, you know, because I feel like she understands my hair and you know, I feel like we can just relate on hair and not saying a man can't do it, but just my preference. I feel I feel more comfortable coming there looking fucked up

and you know, a woman do my hair. Yeah, and we also know that the salon oftentimes is a damned therapy office too, so I can't have the same type of conversations with this male stylist that I might have with my home girl s ash um female stylist. You know what I'm saying. So that's another aspect of it. You know what, what sausage santana? You know, I really feel like this is like the highest form of patriarchy

possible what we're seeing right now. And I feel like a black women need to do a little bit better job at fucking gate keeping at this point because we empower and we now these people feeling tight and tight enough take offense by me saying these people are okay, okay, it's the highest form of patriarchy because imagine a man being able to tell a woman bitch um you because I feel like it, right, the funk is that and

that's what's happening exactly. So how how could you possibly be the blueprint of anything when we literally birth you Negga's okay, So imagine a grown man getting up there or whatever he identifies as to me, it's can I use this word heterophobic? Is that a word? Is that you might have made it up just now because it seems like are we experiencing something heterophobia? And is it possible for a heterosexual person to cancel a gay person because we usually see them canceling the funk out our

ass for one little comment commentary. Can we do that? Y'all scared to talk about that? You know, I'm not okay, I'm offended. I was offended by what he said. You know, I listen, I love my I love my good girls, guys, whatever you identify, I love them. I love when they do hair they slaves, they do. But but what he said was offensive to me as a woman and as a hair style. Is like, I mean, come on now, I'm still a woman, and we are the blueprint. We

literally birth y'all. We birth everybody, man or woman, We birth everybody. So um, go ahead and drop NICKI Minaj in there real quick. That you my son, my mom step son, right right. So I was offended by what he's said. I mean, I get, I get what he's trying to say, trying to hit that, but I mean, it's a better way to say it because it's not it's just not true. You know, that might be the

fact blueprint that's that's not true. That he grabbed Jesus foot all that one and he looked like he didn't apologize. He went on to tweet fake woke as bitches. People don't care about old tweets. The internet have this weird thing with power, thinking they have the power to cancel someone. News flash, you don't. You'll be thinking, y'all, have someone about, have someone by the balls, about situations you don't give

a damn about. We give a damn about this situation, and we need an apologiz as far as I'm concerned. A matter of fact, you right, It's okay. He can feel how he he can feel how he wants to feel about it. But at the end of the day, will always be the blueprint. Stop fucking today. Everybody would die if the world would end. I don't know now they definitely, they definitely may be kissing the lab but they probably AI They ain't no real it will be

something robots, that's crazy, artificial intelligence all day. But it's crazy because you know, he's never I'm not even gonna go there, but go go there, go there. I can't always be the only one going there. I love so I think I like his music is fun. I do appreciate all the males stylings out there and makeup artist, but I mean it's a lot of the time it's like things mimicking what I do, how I wear my hair, how I as my eyebrows. You know, so maybe I'm

the blueprint. You are right, you are the blueprint. Every every I feel like every mail stylist they look up to something idolized, some woman's Mariah Carey Beyonce, Like they idolize a woman, you know. So I don't understand how you can be the blueprint. The only thing I can and the one thing I will give them. Okay, the face beat that definitely clean came from the trans community, Black women in particular. We're never wearing that much heavy

ass makeup. My home girl, her daughter, Yeah, my home girl, her daughter faced time over the weekend after somebody did her makeup and I'm like, who's that? Who is that? She looked like a drag queen. That's how heavy this the makeup was. That's how I had your contouring wards. And she's a beautiful ass girl, young woman, Like, you don't need that much makeup. They need that much makeup to look like us. But to be a natural woman, you don't make up is it's supposed to like, you know,

it's just supposed to be like a hand speciment. It's not supposed to make you look like a whole another person. That's where we can kind of get pictures. But to be walking around in real life if what makes you happy, yea, the whole basis of the But we're we always wearing that heavy makeup like that? Where were always wearing heavy makeup like that? Or did that come from that community?

I feel like I feel like in like the nineties, if you go back to early nineties and Eggs, they were doing like strips of pink hair and blue and that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, But but Whitney was more this ship. Whitney was kind of born on the other side with the the you know to me with the up and stuff lighter. When I looked at us, we mainly had on some lip liner, you know, not a little fake mole. And then when we spice it up, we do a red lip, you know. We that was

like nineties. I'm talking about like the eighties when they were like like hervy blush and their eyes and like it was hot, it was bright. But I just think it just changes with the torn for the face hair is to give a higher cheek. Most women naturally have that cheek phone right, so that lift that doesn't come from women, that extra lift that knows on and all

that ship. That's how we look naturally a lot of y. But not if he game right and he needs to get it back, because yeah, my ship, if I turned to the side, it ain't like that no more. Why should ain't ask me like that number I'm listening. I'm thankful for that. Yes, yes, me too, because maybe they come from um the community that now sometimes like she sometimes it can be a bit much, But I do appreciate some of those, especially of this part. Yeah, that's

my favorite. Yes, I don't kind of told my nose because keep I keep my nose. But this cham part, I thank you, thank you sir for forgetting me white with with with the chat. You know, I'm saying, my chicks, the second one don't need to be a part of everything. You know it don't need to be a part of nothing in my life. Honestly, that second chick could go to hell. Yeah, I don't know. O goodness, So let me ask you. All is all right with in the

black community. All of our most of our products and hair it comes from hair stores that are ran by Asians in our community where they don't really invest any money back into the Black community. After you spend that money in that hair store, that money does not recirculate in our neighborhoods. How do y'all feel about that? Like? I don't like it? Does it make you? It does?

It's a monopoly, you know, so when you go to a black on hairstore, the prices are astronomical, you know, and you when you think about you know people who are buying that, who don't go to the hair salon and buy all their products and do their kids hair at home. It can can sometimes it's not affordable to always invest in the black hair stores. That's the toughest part. Because if we could get more right it cos more we could afford it more than we would. But it

is unfortunate it. I know a lot of people who have navigated their life around never going to Asian owned businesses because they don't invest that to the black means. I try my best, you know. I mean, even if you open a shop, you still have to go to them for them products because most everything is produced in you know, in China. You know, the tools and stuff

that we use. Maybe not so much the hair products because it's like I know, there's a lot of black women now have natural hair carolines and it's just from natural fruits and berries and roots and ship right, But like tools, like homes, all this jury, all this stuff they do the kids. Even the music and the god damn store a lot. They got gospel music. Then they

got wrapped going on in a damn hair store. And if your total comes out to a dollar and twelve cents and you don't have them two pennies, they will send your ass to the car. You can't even get two pennies from the Asians inside their stores. I would like to challenge more Black women to try and shop black. They had there some black online stores which would be

a little bit cheaper for us to do. Maybe it might take a little bit longer for you to get your products, but that's something we can do in our community, right. I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be mad at uh the Asian people in the black community. If they put some money back into they just did. That money circulated more in our community, but it doesn't they take it to their own like our dollar leaves instantly when we when we invested in there, and we spend so much

money there. They're just so much money as of I'll say what the last ten years or so starting to hire black women to work inside there um and their stores. We couldn't even get a job in there. They follow you around the store, which I do. People steal, Okay, people do steal, so I don't. I can't fault them for that. But fighting and putting your hands on people for a couple of dollars, no right, I used to. I used to steal. So your picture was that there?

You had your picture? Remember them sticks with the balls on the back, boy, I used to gonna rob live for them little balls. I have most to do whatever, don't play with me the show I had a rare ball. Blue Ball has reparations. So I'm trying to have everything that I'm playing to eat in the salon, ruscious cones, satin pillowcases, styling products, whatever I use, I sell so they don't have to go there. But that's just also

just business marketing for my own self. But I have everything I use so they can get that helps Do you not get it from? Do you not go to into my products? Are professional or but I can say if I order it involke from somewhere, it's probably gonna come from China. I mean everything does. So I'm not like you should not paying that premium price though from

having a grown business. You know, I'm rather my clients come of my small business and support me than going to the Asian hair store buying it, even though we probably all got it somewhere from the same place somewhat. Um. But my products are professional and then do not come from China. But bruscious cones. I don't know where they come from. They probably do. Yeah, y'all know they passed that last year. They passed like the it's not called

the Asian Hate Bill. It's like the COVID the COVID uh um anti hate bill, but it's for Asian Island, Pacific percific island whatever, right you know, right, so um, and they paid the narrative that is black people that's been attacking you know, the Asian community when we clearly see that law came into play after a white man shot up a massage in Atlanta. Right, if you are that afraid of black people, why are y'all still in

our communities? I'm confused if they really if there's really a problem between Asians and black people, how are your businesses still thriving in black communities. I don't know if it's so much them that pay the narrative that is black people as it is the media, you know. I don't know if it's like Asians and black community is like, oh, it's the black folks. No sample sized to see how they feel about us by the way they treat us in their establishments, y'all don't think so. No, I have,

I have Asian clients. I feel like I don't think that they are afraid of us at all. I think they look at us deadardars, like regular people. I think that that's just something that is a narrative just put out white supremacy. I think it's something that people just want to push at times to make it another thing that we're doing wrong. But no, in general, when I walk into the hair so, I never feel like they're

afraid at all. I mean, sometimes something I feel like my business isn't welcomed or wanted or can't or appreciate it. That's the word appreciated, appreciate It felt like they were afraid. I don't afraid, right, and then I have Asian friends, I have Asian home girls, and I don't receive that from like the people I go. Obviously a lot of them like Loki be kind of like. I have an Asian friend and she's definitely one of the realists. I love her. So I don't know if that's a real narrative.

It's just more than likely definitely something the media is pushing a narrative for sure. How do y'all feel about Did y'all see this video on Instagram? This white girl, her name is Alex von Dutch, and this is something that we could have talked about and stupid Internet news child. It's a couple of weeks ago, um, But she's seen on she's like TikTok. I don't know if she's a

singer whatever. She has music in her handle on TikTok and Instagram, but I don't know what she at, what exactly she does, But she's on TikTok mostly and she had that video posing a question to black women and went viral. She was asking why black women, um don't feel supported by black men? Did you guys see that? But she's seen she has single ease twisting her head like she has like a black hairstyle, right, and she was basically posing all these questions. Supposedly she's a Kevin

Samuel supporter. Also, she says he was her mentor. She would talk to him often. So it's almost like people are creating platforms off of triggering black women about whatever, maybe some fucking hair, our relationships with black men, all this ship. But how do y'all feel about And she's appropriate and playing a black woman while doing this. I feel very supportive by a black man, so she's definitely not talking to me. Um. I think that people try to push America once again. I mean, do y'all feel

supported by black man? So I don't, Yeah, I do. I think that as a collective, maybe there's something there as a you know, because you know, there's the whole thing where black women are the least, are the most disrespected. I'm protected all that that little um you know, Malcolm X said it right, and people hang onto that till this day. I'm not. I don't have a victim mentality, so to me, that's like victimhood. But I can understand

where some women may feel that way. I can understand that, but it's all it's still some ship that's supposed to be discussed in our community, like I don't need a white woman um question to me about my relationship with black back men. And it was mostly black white women responding to her, and as Asian woman because she she actually did another TikTok and said why are seventy percent

of black children in America praised by single mothers? And an Asian woman responded to her ass and said, you need to be worried about all the serial killers and rapists and mass murderers that are being created in a two family white homes as opposed to being in black people's business. And I felt that I um, I mean those are good questions, right, I mean, those are things that we definitely need to figure out what's going on

in our communities. But why are you asking that? And what you're gonna very like, what are you about to do? Get your ass beat up in the street? Those are actually true statements sometimes, but that's not your bit. Why did you care? And what are you gonna do when you pick that bone up? What are you gonna carry it to? What you're gonna do to help the situation? Nothing? So are you just trying to be messy at that point, and you're just trying to stare the pot because okay,

that's that's black problems. Let us worry about our ship. You don't, I mean, honestly, what you're gonna do with it? Right? Right? It was black thing exactly and got people engaging, and that's all they wanted was the engagement. A black man commented to her and asked her um if she was black, and she responded back to him and she said, uh, by heart or by skin color, So clearly she she's identifying.

That's exactly where I'm going. And in another video, she says what does she have to do for the black community to trust her? And she says, even though I'm not black, I identify with you. Again, we need to do a better job at gate keeping the motherfucker's feeling titled to all things black women. If you want to get the check on social media, what they do they make like caricatures out of out of black women. They throw away going on do our head movements, talk about

like it's they're making fun. But a black woman oftentimes can't become a millionaire or get a million follows off of naturally just being herself. But a white woman pretending to be us. We'll get support from the black community and a white community. Um, I saw a lot of black women got a million follow You don't think, I don't think. Uh. Let's take the little catch me outside a little girl for example. Why should she be famous because young people follow her? I don't follow her. I mean,

you know young people have a million followers easy. But also she's um a character like people want to see someone at the fool and what characters that she does, character of a specific type of black woman? She does, she does, she does. But also there are black women being themselves. I have a million followers, and that's why people do imitate those accounts because they know it generates. You know, people want it. Even on exty, there's a

Willian faith. Black owned distance is on emty. They're not black owned bustance. They just have like black found magic. It is something I guess it's flattery, but people are imitating us, right. Yeah, this is very interesting and I feel like we can go all day long with a black hair topic because it just goes into all so many different things. When you start talking about black women and here relationships growing up natural, we've we gotta stop somewhere right right, So I want us to do a

dumb bish story. Dumb story because we've all been a dumb bitch at least once or twice. So you've listened to the show. We always have our guests share a dumbing story. It doesn't have to be about Hair. I mean, if you could relate to her, that would be great. But if you could think of a moment you were ever played or somebody tried to play you or ran them up? Can you share a time me? I don't know, you know mine? Do you have one for me? You

can look it is what it is. You've been keeping tallying her dumb bit activity for her, tam, you know that one time? Now you one time a dumb bitch? Did you remember? I've been smart your whole life? She was smart her whole life, y'all that one time. Um, I can tell you a story about us. Just be a dumb bitches together. Okay, that's a good one ahead. Um. It was Easter, all right. This is like in our twenties. It is Easter Sunday morning and we had been out

club and all night. Six am, six am is people getting up ready to go praise the Lord and thank him for resurrecting and stuff, and we drunk and she was like, stop and get gas and I forgot she said that, and I wasn't paying the kitchen. I was driving her car and we broke down on the side of the highway with no gas, and some strange white people pulled over and picked us up, took us to the gas station and we got a gas can. When I was out there smoking a black and mouth filling

up the gas came about to blow. My mother fuck herself up. And we got a gallon of gas and people took us back to our car and then we made it home. That was so dumb. It was That was dumb. But let's talk. It wasn't strip club, not just a regular club. Yeah, And Tammy asked for twenty on pump one and they're like, it's just one gallon for the can. You can't get twenty. And I was so confused. I'm like, why I can't get twenties? I need twenties. It's like it's a gabbling can be like,

so putting twenty in it? Wake up? Did your car broke down? I was like, did you forget? Yeah? That was that was a fun night. We didn't go to church. We did not make it to church. I prayed. I prayed on the side of the road before we got in the car with those wife folks. That was the would. Yeah. But they were so nice. They were so nice, and they were young. They were young adults. They were very young. Yeah,

they were younger than us. I feel like, like, where y'all coming from this LAG's probably going They're probably going to church. You know, that was not going to church. They didn't look like it. They didn't seem like the churchy type. But okay, that was our She got some dumbing stories. She just ain't gonna share that right there. So Tamka, before we close out, do you have a dumb bit story to share with us? I just recently was a dumb bit you know what I'm saying. Oh now,

all my divorcement. So I guess you know that that gul tearing the hair. But I remember it was one time where you know, basically I and actually A look a little stupid. This is an older story. Let me tell this this. I ain't gonna go to currents. So me and I act, you know, we had broken up or whatever. So he picked me up and we went out to eat and me being messy his girlfriend. I was like, I'm out with your nigga. You know what I'm saying. We out to eat this and that I'm sending.

I'm sending like pictures, I'm sneaking on pictures and all this. Right, So she calls him right and basically he was he looking at his phone. He didn't ask it, so he comes to text just flood it through. So do you know this nigga got up and left my ass right there at that restaurant right so rightfully so lightly got up and left my ass hit that restaurant down? I want do you hear me? I felt so du But I can laugh about that ship down, like I can

really laugh about that. Then I went I was it and we was at off not so I got the phone at like go with me. She was like, all right, don't go about way. So literally I'm sitting everybody see see to me. Everybody knew what was going on. Maybe that would be be guilty. I'm just sitting there in front of a hot with the ride home because he but yeah, that's my dumb by stories because I kind of still was messing with him after that, because but that told me to stand by then place. I had

no business texted that girl. I'm telling her what we're going on. That's my home, right, You had no business with her? Mad? Did you? Man apologized when she was hunting on him? Now, ma'am good? Oh damn. So I was a dumb bit, so stupid bit all that wrapped up it was out Luckily it was out hot. But I was so embarrassed. I wouldn't even be I'm sitting there eye hoop Ruth christ and more steakhouse like nasty hop. In my defense, it didn't matter when we was at

I was in there with her. I didn't needed her to do that. I didn't We could have been at Taco Bell and I need to let her know that I got my leap that. But but the laugh was on me. What's your side? What the hell? That's why? Oh? Yeah, both for y'all, Sagittarius, Yeah all right, y'allum. So please, um, if you have anything going on that you want people to follow, your social media, your businesses, or anything that you want to share with everyone, please go ahead and

plug yourself right now. Okay, Well, thank you guys for having me a jan Town. I am on Instagram, am at Stylista Hair Company dot com as T Y L I S T A H J I r CEO. All right, y'all, and she do that Gina curl if y'all want that curly curly hair. What I was doing with curl right without the win is nice. Yeah. This has been so much fun, guys, And thanks A J and TAM for having me so you can on Instagram. Still I had

to thank only one this Parker on Instagram. Okay, hey with Carker you can follow me on Instagram, you know. So it's been fun. Thank you guys. Yeah, thank y'all so much for coming on and talking hair with us. We gotta have y'all back. When it get cold, we're gonna talk about I went to hair, some of hair, all this ship all the same. All right, y'all listen and enjoyed this episode. Please tune in every Thursday on an I Heart Radio Apple wherever the fuck you get

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dumb bitches. Get out of here now. I'll be having real responses for people if they had dumb mis want to hear it. You can abusing people on the low down. No, I know it's all in love. Listen, So Senor, ask a black friend your dumb bitch story sending that in We need that. UM follow me again, I said Instagram official tam bam. And y'all remember to speak now. Never hold your piece