Ep. 57 "1 or 2 F%ks to Give"

chill out. I took myself out to dinner and I went to Um, you know, that's my first year with no Valentine, but it was cool. I took myself out to dinner and I hit up a few spots in the city, got a low tipsy, and took my ass home. That's it. I mean Saturday. Yeah, I did that on Saturday, actual holiday Monday. Um, and do ship I say anybody did an? Yeah? Well, um, I didn't. I didn't go nick knocking you guys, I didn't. It just wasn't in me this year. I think I've outgrown that. I don't know.

Maybe I'll try it next year, but I don't know. Something about potentially getting shot by somebody this year was just not on the menu. But I did have sent me someone send me a hundred twenty four roses and balloons and cupcakes and ship, and then didn't come to see me. So I was in here with all that ship by myself. That's some bullshit. That's cock blocking, because how it is cock blocking is like what if you had other players? If you're not gonna be here, what

a funk? Why are you? Why we got all this ship in the house and you were here? That's like the ultimate cock clock. Yeah I didn't. I didn't even think of it that way. You're right, Like it was kind of like a dog pissing on the territory basically. So, yeah, that was my Valentine's Day. But it smells like a nice little rainforest in here. I guess thanks, that's still a good time. No, the flowers are beautiful and I do appreciate. Now. Oh I did it Valentine some company.

I got some flowers of Valentine. I like flowers. Oh you know what I did get on Valentine's Day? My period? Yeah, Like, so you ain't about to have nobody up in there anyway. Nah, it was dead. It was dead. By eleven thirty that afternoon. I think if your period was on now, you probably would have give a fuck. You would have cared that you can't hand nobody else up in there. Uh, I would have brought another nigga up in here anyway, Like where you get all these flowers from? Not to you

better step your game, basically, nigga. No, I'm joking. I don't even have anybody that I would have wanted, even the nigga who bought the flowers. Did I to want it here on Valentine's Day just because it just seems like a day for lovers, and since I'm not in love, I don't know whatever, It's still a nice day, it is. I mean, it's beautiful. I never ever tripped over Valentine's. But if you wear somebody or even just smashing like

niggas know, they'd better show up for whoever they fucking with. Oh, it's gonna be a problem. It's gonna be a whole problem, even if you don't even I don't even want no goddamn happy Valentine's. They text him, you ain't send me ship at least till a buch of door dash meal or something good damn day, everything normal, bit the number you have reached. So, uh, it's Black History Month. I have a batty who talks back. We actually have two batties who talked back. But I'm gonna read about once

you guys. So today's batty. Today's first batty is Moms Maybe, and she was one of the most successful entertainers of the black chitling circuit. She was Jackie Moms Maybe born Loretta Loretta Mary Aikin in eight and at the apex of her long career, she was earning ten thousand a week at Harlem's Apollo Theater. That's good money a week. Maybe Maybe focused on conventional topics such as family and others not normally covered by comedians of the era, white

or black, such as infidelity, poverty, welfare, and inebriation. So he's talking about getting drunk and ship. You couldn't talk about that then. Her career spanning five decades, although white audiences did not know of her until the early nineteen sixties, Maybe Maybee played God Damn, I'm reading like agent. Maybe

played Carnegie Hall in nineteen sixty two. Main Stream TV appearances in the nineteen sixties included variety of show appearances like Flip Wilson, Mike Douglas, MERV Griffin, The Smother Brothers Comedy Hour, This is Some Old Ship, and Rowan and Martin's Laughing In nineteen sixty seven. She was an inspiration for irreverent female comics of that era, including Phyllis Diller, and in her final years Maybee poked fund at the president and at government officials. Mom's maybe you are a

batty who talks back. Thank you so much for making us laugh all those years. Okay, but now for the second batty who talks back. We got lu Nell on we talked back, lu Nell. Oh my god, I can't wait. This is exciting. She's so funny. Let's go to commercial so we can hurry up and get to it. Y'all listen, we got a super duper special guest on we talked back this week. We got the bad Girl of comedy,

miss lu Nell. When we talked back, I'm talking actress, writer, comedy legend, number one movies wife, mother, She's done it all. Thank you for coming on. We talked back with thanks, thanks for having me. We see that you called the bad Girl the comedy and the original back the original don't get it twisted. The original Bad Girl and you were talking to the Jazzmines brand and you said that you talk ship and you smacked the beach in the club.

Why did you smack that beach in the club. First of all, you're asking me to explain why I have the name the Original Badgirl a copy. Okay. I didn't give myself that name. I don't give myself names. I was given that name by a comedy promoter in the Bay Area named Rick Sullivan, many many, many years ago, over twenty years ago, because at that time I was considered a bad girl. I would bar fight, I would go to jail. I was doing bad things. So that's

why he gave me that name. But regardless of my personal activities, I still remain the funniest woman in the funniest kind of in the room. So that's how it come. I continued to work so our brand. We talk shit, We raunchy, and we say what the funk we feel all the time, and I get like how I get responses like how are you gonna ever find a husband talking like that? How are you gonna be taking serious

what you're talking like that? So I just want to ask you being someone doing comedy for so long and being married for June, ye be celebrating the anniversary of twenty one years. Congratulations to that. How do you navigate that ship? Like? How do you navigate a world where people tell you like, oh, you're not lady like enough and you're not this enough to sustain? How you find a man that let yourself? How about that? Yet? That? Well, actually he found me. I didn't find him. I'm very

much a fan of like who likes you? Quit trying to make people who don't like you like you. Mhm, See who likes you and see if you can like him back? You know. Number one? Number two, Um, my husband met me in a club, uh, at a show, so he very much knew how I was the minute he met me. Literally, And um, some men actually like and gravitate too bad girls obviously. I mean, if you look at my friend Natalie Nunne, she's got a mouth, she fights on television, and she has an amazing husband,

a beautiful daughter, an amazing home life. You might say, how does Natalie have a man. Well, I'm sure he has to put up with a lot, but you know he can take it. You know, Um, I think that. Um, the old adage of being a nice girl, it doesn't work anymore because guys aren't really looking for that nice girl all the time, depending on the guy. UM my husband and I right now, though, my husband is ill. And when you have a mate who's ill, you really start to realize what the vows mean better or worse,

rich or poor sickness and in health. And my husband is sick, so he doesn't travel with me anymore. I don't have that support system that I used to have when he did travel with me and help me sling merchandise and do all that kind of stuff. I think that even a bad girl is not a bad girl all the time. You know, I still cook, I'm still a mother. I still went to the PGA meetings as

much as I could. When my daughter was coming up, I wasn't as on the road as I am now, so I was able who make her first years up to like thirteen or fourteen pretty solid. It's just since then I've been traveling extensively and and doing a lot more film and television on location and out of town. I really don't um know how anybody else does it. I just know how it works for for me. And and you know, it's just got to be a certain

kind of guy. You know, if I'm crazy and disrespectful, as long as I'm not that way to him, you know, then you probably don't. They probably don't have a problem with it because it just comes with with the territory. Male comics or talk about their wifely in their comedy. Yeah, all the time. So I'm really not even trying to hear the ship. If you like me, you like me.

If you don't, you know, I had the end of relationship because you know, I was being censored on this podcast, Like I really feel like I can't be my fucking self say what I want to say, and you know that I don't. I don't want to say as a

character because we definitely ourselves, right. But if you can't handle me talking about past experiences like our podcasts about relationships, if you can't handle that type of ship, and you don't need to be with me, because I'm gonna be normal when I come home for you or when ware together, right, But if you can't handle me, just has been a strong man. A strong man is going to back his woman, a strong woman is going to back her man. I mean, you got men to do porn that are married and

the women have to deal with that. And if this podcasts, uh, if this podcast or US Women are not for you, then there's a million podcasts that will suit you. You don't have to stay here listen to us and criticize us. Go over to Fred Hammond's podcast, go over to Karen Glugs podcast, go over to something else. There's more suited for you. But here, this is your platform, and anybody that want to say anything about it, you know you can go here. Middle fingers to my old life. I

mean that. Um So, being a female in a male dominated industry, what do you feel like was your biggest obstacle as far as your career is concerned. I don't think I had many obstacles because my comedy speaks for itself. You know, if you're a female and you're not as strong as the men that you're performing with, that's when

you run into a problem. But if you're a female and you're slaying consistently for years and you're in demand, and the people, because it's the people who make up who's popular and who's not, you can't really buy that if the people are writing with you, if you tap into it as that guys of how people feel male and female, because I don't do comedy directed only at females. I do comedy directed at people. You know. I talk about relationships. I talked about gaining weight, I talked about kids,

talk about corona. I talked about all that type of stuff and that deals with people, not just females. But of course I have to speak from a female perspective because out of every hundred comedy shows, you might see seven females. You know, you have comedy shows that will have like five men on them and no female. You have.

Females are the biggest ticket buyers, and the audience about ticket for themselves, about ticket for their man sometimes, but people don't support a comedy show with five females on it. But see, you have to have the right type of female. No nobody wants to hear about your crams and your

minstrel cycle and your nails and all. I should talk about from real it talk about the fact that we have a generation of men growing up coddled and not getting taught right, and that these these niggas out here can't even Let's talk about that for a second, because listen our podcast We do talk to it about men a lot, right, but we also want to make women accountable, so we always say, like, who raised these niggas? Oftentimes

it's a black woman. Fortunately, well, it's a black woman who stretched the stretched then and the man may have left them holding the bag. And the society has um made it the norm to have a single family, single and it made the double occupancy. The government has made it financially feasible to not have a man in the house. You can go back and watch this movie called Claudine and that that was in the in the seventies and

and and you can see how that has happened. I think that men need to raise their male sons in the way that they were raised, you know, uh, if they want, if they have a The reason we even have gangs is because of the guys in gangs came from a single parent household. They don't have the male bonding that they need. A mother can teach your son a lot of things, but you can't be their daddy, period. And it really takes a man to raise a man.

There's a lot of women who do a good jobs with their sons, but in some areas they're gonna be lacking. We don't know unless you're I don't know how to raise a male child. I don't know what balls are supposed to do. I don't know what how to take care of little penises and ship, I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to shave a faith. A man teaches a young man that I truly believe that,

you know, it's a shame to have. And then and then when it comes to men of means, unfortunately, these women are out there having children without the supporter of their man, or even unwed because uh, I just don't. I wouldn't. There's not enough money. I wouldn't care if us share impregnated me. There's not enough money for me to have a baby with a man simply for financial game, you know, which a lot of chicks are doing these days. But that baby is not gonna stay a baby forever.

It's gonna grow up. It ship gets more complicated, not less complicated. To the school things you gotta attend to their parent teacher meetings that you need to show up for. There's you know, events and athletics and all this ship that I can't stand. I had one. Now you talked about you said something about like the system, how the system is set up for the single moms or whatever. Do you think that system was established because the men were leaving? Because I don't. I don't think the system

was established because the men were leaving. I think the system was established because the men weren't. No, I don't mean because they just weren't there in the first Clay. I think the system. I think it was set up to help destroy the black household. Literally. I think that they have made it financially better for a woman in a certain bracket to be with yeah, or the women escape scapegoat for men in that case, because like I said, were they leaving the household or were was it to

where they just couldn't be there? Because I feel like maybe they weren't there in the first place, so they left on their own accord, and then the system came in. Well, a man can leave, A man can't get up and leave physically, they can do that. A woman can't leave. We got to have it, Yeah, we have to have it, so it's easier for them to believe. I think what you really need to do is try to work on these relationships first before you jump up and try to

have a baby. Even when you do get married. You know, why don't you enjoy each other for a while before you get married and automatically start spending out these kids, because that is a big stressful you know, that's a big undertaking raising the child when you want to raise the child. You know, I'm very um, I'm very uh pro equipping. I'm very pro on that's fine. So yeah, I'll suck you up and I'm very pro pop up at the school type thing. Like to be a scary,

unpredictable parents. What will keep these kids a little bit in mind? You never know when my mama's gonna show up. My mama might be and you know, looking through the fans and me at school, fear is what raises good kids. Yeah, but neither one of us. I've got kids right now, I always be teasing my friends that got kids. I feel like, man, funck y'all black mama's. I can't stand y'all ass because because they only do kids what was done to them? Right, So I've okay, So I've every

every nigg I haven't been with got kids, right. So I feel like when you tell a kid like you know what, I'm really disappointed in you. If your goal is to make that kid cry, you could tell them some ship like that and they're gonna cry. Like you don't have to put your hand on a little person who I have the life experiences as you do as an adult, and you're doing the same funked up ship. But because you're a certain age is okay, But you get to beat this kid because they're doing it. I

don't believe in that. Well, the fact that you every man, you want to every children majority majority, majority, Okay, Well, I don't choose to live with your baby mama's in my life. So my husband did have children, they were grown when we got married. My baby daddy don't have no children. It's just he and I, so I don't have to deal with a baby mama. And the reason my husband had daughters because his wife left and she's the one who went out on a drug binge and

left him with the children. So he raised three girls by itself, So that was sort of a different situation. But I don't know, I don't want to some of them. Some guys have really great kids, a lot of them, a lot of them don't. And to be dealing with younger kids even the little ones, even these little humans that'd be badest hell sometime they need. Yeah, I'm seeing a really um a spurt and really bad kids out here entitled. These kids be entitled as hell man. They

think the world owed him something. I don't know. It's the crazy I know. When my daughter was coming up, I told her, I said, I will not ever buy you a video game. If you want to play video games, go over when your friends houses and play, but you won't get one because A they're expensive. Be These kids lose interests in about two weeks. And see you're fucking

seven years old. I want you to go outside and get some air and bounce the ball, draw a hopscotch, get the funk from because these kids are raised now and from birth, there's a camera shoved in their face from birth, like in the birthing room sometimes. And then you got parents putting a little emojis and ship on these kids. They don't need to think they're a bunny, or that they're a deer or I don't like that.

Ready for a metaverse? What do you think about what's going on with Kanye What do you think about his antics with Kanye West? Well, I think it's really sad actually, because I mean, I remember the college dropout Kanye, and that's the Kanye that I really liked. But I think that everything stems back to when MS Donne passed away. I don't think that he's probably ever grieved that or had therapy for that. You know, he may have guilt. He has his mother already had money, but she surely

had more money when Kanye started making money. So with that excess Kanye money, she wouldn't had all these surgeries and then subsequently bad. He may have guilt about that. So I think that he really did want a family, really did love Kim, that really wanted to be with her. He wrote a song and then he lived his song, and then you know that that you know, what do you say about and soon they get what to take? You ask for a white girl? And then what did

he do? And I don't think that whether he had a white or a black, I think he just needs some therapy, some hugs. You need a hug, and that he needed to just cool out for a while, go to Cabo, relaxed, spend some of your money. Because to me, the best thing he's done since college drop out is that choir, believe it or not, his choir is bomb ass. And yeah, you know they sang a DMX funeral and I cried from the moment they open their mouth. So, UM,

I just think that. Um it's first of all, I'm confused about white Kim, who already had two beautiful children, had to have two more? Why did she have to happen? She can shoot like you had if y'all marriage is really she had so much money, your marriage is really feeling like that, like she just how old is the last child? So now you just had his last baby is saragate? I believe the last three of the years to be a surrogate, right. I don't think she had

she don't even the last two. She was pregnant twice, y'all? Sure, I think she was pregnant once. Well, I don't really know because I don't I don't follow them like that. But um, I think there's something sinister about why have two more kids with a man who obviously has mental issues. I don't think everything is for the bag because Kim's kids, their kids, and their kids will never need a dime if they never work. They've got so much money, they're

going to continue to make money, their money. I think that she did love him, but then she fell out of love because he went, you know, for the next time and they weren't always to you. I'm like indifferent because the ship he is doing to her publicly online, Like I've seen that before personally, so I know, like narcissistic behavior when the fun I see it, right. But then the other side of that, he's in the industry.

The first thing he was saying about um, the oldest daughter is like, my daughter, never be a strip of my daughter, Never do this in that looks like he's concerned about his children in this industry. You know what I'm saying. And we already know the tell me no, I'm a whole conspiracy theorist shoy. So yeah, but let's let's I want to let's get back to you because I want to talk more about you. And I saw that you started at MS Wiz Club and Long Beach that's a like an old school club and Long Beach

Comedy Club. And Robin Harris was your mentor. He became your mentor. What was that like and how did he change your life as far as comedy is concerned. Well, okay, there was a club in Long Beach Commiss Wiz. This since burned down, but some people do remember it. That's the first place I ever went on stage to do stand up comedy. And it wasn't because I wanted to

be a comedian. I had a roommate who was dating a comedian who around the club, and he would be around the house and he thought it was and he said, if you ever want to stand up, come to my club. I'll put you on the minute you walk in. And I was like, I don't want to be no stand up comedian. But then I did start thinking about some things that happened to me that are funny, because if you know anything about my comedy, you can't quote a

joke that I tell because I don't tell jokes. I tell stories because like Cosby used to do, or Richard or stuff like that. And um, I wouldn't say that Robin was my mentor. He was the first person I met on the very first day I did stand up. When I got off the stage, I met Robin here and he told me to go to the comedy at Theater that's where he hosted, and and it's sort of snowballed after that, but I would say that it was

what you call it, it was like a sign. I'd say that it was a sign that I met him the first might I ever did comedy. It's just like when I got my residency in Las Vegas, George Wallace brought me out on stage. Well, George Wallace had been in Vegas for you know, twenty years and been he's like the king. A lot of faith for him to bring me out on my first night. I take that as a sign. So I wouldn't say Robin was my mentor,

but he definitely was an inspiration for me. He definitely was an inspiration for me because he didn't have the Hollywood looks, he wasn't slam and yet he was still the funniest one in the room. And I'm you know, I'm not um, a little red bone, I don't have long hair, I'm not slender anything like that. But I slay. So this is when your talent over comes your your look. You know what I'm saying. There's a bunch of ugly

male comedians out there that are killers. So I don't think that we should be held to the same standard. But your your your product, your comedy should speak for itself. No matter what you look like. They've had comedians that got cerebral policy that are killers on um on Amazon Prime. I yeah, guys, that Robin Harris died at thirty six years old. Because we were kids, you know what I'm saying. I didn't realize he was that young when he died.

And I saw your your piece on it, and you were saying like, yeah, if you eat color greens and neckphones, all this ship. Everybody else had all this nice ship to say about that man. You're like, yeah, what then you being gonna happen, You're gonna have a No, it's very well. No, there was there was a place in the Long Beach that he used to like to eat

like after the show. So we're talking about one o'clock in the morning, roused like this, you know, and uh like totally and this also you gotta remember there was no bottled water. Then, there was no veganism. Then there was no soy nothing, There was none of this back then. He just ate what we what we were brown up, you know, but it was unhealthy. You mixed some Hennessy with all that and late nights and you know you

might stroke out. It was a terrible loss for the comedy community, and I do suggest everybody check out that uh Fat Tuesday p h A T not f A T p h A T Fat Tuesday documentary on Amazon Prime and to give you a lot of a lot of history things for what I didn't know. They call it hip hop comedy. That's interesting, but it is, yeah, because it sort of came in the same era and everything was between the clothes and the music and the comedy all sort of like hit at the same time. Yeah,

it was crazy. It was very exciting. What is your take on these young comics or comedians coming up in the social media era where they just jump on go viral and then now they're instant comedian and they didn't have to get it out the mud like some of the greats that you came up with. What's your thoughts on that? Well? At first, I was extremely resentful because we have had to go through a lot to get the spot that we're in, and it seems like they

came out of nowhere and did videos on Instagram. Now they're booked in the same club it took me twenty years to get booked in and they're standing next to me. I was very, very resentful. And I said it. Now I have changed my mind since then slightly. Um. I don't think that everybody who's doing comedy that came from Instagram is a comedian. I do think that a lot of them have a good future at being a comedic

actor or actress. I don't think that everybody has the jobs or the we're thought to do stand up comedy, even though they sell the club out. A lot of times these people from Instagram sell the club about the people come and they're disappointed because they weren't really as funny in person as they were when they had their edited content on social media. I do enjoy just hilarious. I do enjoy Country Wayne, And you know, I'm probably gonna stop right there because there's some others that I'm

still still trying to check out. And unfortunately I can't speak on all of their comedy because I haven't seen it. Because we all work at the same time. Every comedian works on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday night, So how can I go see you even if we're in the same town if we're both on stage at the same time. Maybe if you're on a Sunday, if you have one show and they have two shows. You can get over to where they are and maybe catch the second show,

but that's rare. I'm dying to see what be Stramone does on stage. She seems to be killing it. I'm dying to see, you know. I didn't know Country Wayne personally until we worked together, and I wanted to see what he does on stage. And now I have theeings and he's really, really, really good and very spiritual, more so than Jesus is popping. That's just about what he says. He really has his Bible with him. Yeah, he's a really rounded guy, doing really good with all his kids

and baby Mama's. I don't think they got a word though, make a slave out of him. I wouldn't say a slave. He's a very high I probably slave, but that's what he is. So I didn't I didn't really feel it in the beginning. But I take issue with them being called comedians. I would say, you know, like I said, comic actor or internet comedian or striving comedian or you know something like that, but um, you know, that's just me. They don't. Here's the other thing. They don't give a

funk what I think. See. I used to give a funk, like what Paul Mooney thought of me, or what what Robin Harris thought of me, or what even d L thought of me or d Rade there. I used to give a funk. I still do, but the social media influences social media, to me, they don't care what I think. They don't give a funk about us, and that's that's sort of hurtful because you know, like that, you know,

they didn't even hire women for this club. We came through the Lord, so we came through and then made the way, but they don't really give a funk about us, and so subsequently a lot of us don't give a funk about them. But I think that, you know, there are social media people out there who do look up to some of us, maybe not me, but some of us.

And then that's always good because you know, we haven't been out here bust and asses for the hell of it, and not for the money, because we did comedy before there was any money. We did comedy before there was any money. I did comedy for free for years because it's in me. It's something I had to get out, it's something that it's part of me. You know, I don't think you should do comedy unless you feel like you would die if you don't do it. You feel me No, I do, I do. So let me tell

you something. I signed up for a amateur comedy night here in Charlotte right before the pandemic. And then stop why because I man, and I have jokes all the time. I'm always telling jokes. I'm always making people laugh. My mom always not made up jokes, stories, stories, It's just with off the dome. I don't tell. I don't like write jokes out and be like, hey, I just you know, flew in from Vegas and boy, my arms are tired. No,

none of that. Ship. It's just like I tell stories that are true, and usually it would be like ship that's dark, but I'll make it funny. Right. So I wrote some stuff about growing up with parents that are were addicted to drugs and in the eighties. You know, everybody, mama, half of us, Mama and daddy was smoking crack in the eighties, right, So yeah, So I made some jokes about it and I thought it was real funny. But then I didn't go because I didn't want to offend

my family. I didn't want to fend my parents and the people who I love who the jokes were about, so I didn't tell them. So what would you say to someone who wants to use their life experience that maybe dark, but you find a way to make it humorous. How do you apply that without hurting people? Hear some people you're going to it's it's if you're married to a painter, at some time, you're gonna get some paint on you. If you're working with a sculptor, at some point,

you're gonna get some clay on you. If you have a comedian in your family, you're gonna probably get some you know, material that you can identify. It applies to you on stage. And even if you're in a relationship with a guy that is gonna end up on stage. Now, it's how you treat me that determines what I say on stage. If you treat me like a queen, I'm gonna be honest talking my my man is really amazing. I can't believe I got this guy found her up.

Or if you treat me like a deck then I'm gonna be on stage talking about the ship you did. So that's really on them what you say. Um, you have to have a certain fucking attitude I'll talk about my daughter with my daughter backstage, I'm talking about my husband with them looking right at me. You have to have you have to be able to turn that off. And they're either gonna get with the program or they're not. Now, for a lot of seven brothers and sisters, and for

a long time, they didn't. They didn't support me and what I was doing. They didn't like it. They didn't like the language that I used because you know, at this particular time, nobody in my family when one of my older brothers had a mouth like me, nobody and my mother very delicate and sedat, and she didn't support me in that either. Well fuck that and fuck you too,

because this is what I'm doing. But you want to know something, that's all chance now and and and they will get on your side if you would come successful. If you don't become successful, that's when they be like, see all that ship talking ain't got you nowhere. You ain't doing it. We talk about you. It's like your story too, so I can't talk about it. That's how I feel. It's your story to tell you just and you know, of course, nobody wants to hurt people's feeling,

but it's just like being at war. There's gonna be some casualties, you know, So I just, you know, I would say, if it's your truth and you feel like you need to share it because it's other people's truth, then you just go ahead and do that and deal with fallout because I feel like it. I mean, it's so funny ship. I mean, nothing's funny about smoking, cracking, the devastation that drugs us to the family. But you can find some ways to make that ship. Yeah, absolutely.

But also you have to think also about your comedy, because comedy is not exclusive to black people. So can you take that same material and do it in Can you take that same material and do it in front of a Latin audience? Can you take that material and do it in front of a gay audience? Because when you do comedy, you have to do comedy for all those people. Feel more comfortable with them, you feel more

comfortable with your people. And the Latin community. I'm very into and and I really, uh really support Latin comics, and I just uh in any of the ethnicities are actually way funnier than a lot of the white comics. I see. If you go on you know, Persian Night that ship is funny too, you know, because everybody you know talking about terrorists and ship like that, and they know it, so they make fun of that, and that's funny. And you go to Latin Nite, that's hilarious. If you

go to gay nights something. Because when you go do comedy, you shouldn't just go see black comics. You should go see every body so that you can sort of gauge and you know, be able to look at your audience and between the between the walk from backstage to the microphone, you should be able to read the audience just that quick. And if you're scripted you do the same comedy in Mississippi as you do in New York and you do

in Chicago. That don't always work. But if you freestyle a lot, then you can adjust your ship to the audience that you're performing in front of. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Like you can't go to you can't go to Chicago and talk about h C transit. You have to talk about the L train. You can't, you know, you have to talk about what's in the city. Have you ever gone on stage and bomb, like totally bomb, like damn, I've never been booed in

my life. Whether somebody wants to believe it or not, it's the true. But I've got the silent treatment before. You know, one of these, you know, one of those, but that was really only after doing like a big show with like thirteen or fourteen comics on and you're like number thirteen and they've been sitting there watching comedy for like four hours, like we're tired, you know, But I don't. Really, I don't. I don't. I don't have a lot of bad experiences, but I've had something. But

I've never been booed ever. Do you think that's the writer passage for a comedian or a comic to just have one, at least one show where you funked up? Kind of it teaches you some humility. I think you better stay humble at the gate period, because the one of the worst shows I've ever done was trying to be cocky and be like, let me show you how to step mother's like yeah, and then you go out and then it don't work for you because God will

put this hand down fucking fuck your shut up. I tried to never be like, you know, like I might be happy after I've done something really great. But I don't go back and say I killed that ship. I I just don't do that. That's just me because it's an unattractive trait. Cockiness is an unattractive trait that makes me sick of people. You know, you let a comedy speak for itself. I do. That's just me, though. You know, the people who probably should be listening to the podcast

and getting the gyms may not be that. You know. That's just like when when when grown folks have a discussion about gun play and stuff in the streets. Well, the people with the guns and in the streets ain't sitting home looking at that podcast, so they didn't get the memo. You know. But I hope that whoever's watching and listening does at least consider some of the stuff that we're talking about. You know, you gotta make your decision for yourself, right, I think I'm gonna try to

do girl. You won't never tell me that, okay, but but I just always in. But what is the what is the goal? What do you want? What are you gonna do? Want to make people laugh forever forever? Comedians don't retire, they die, right, you know that, right? I didn't retire here didn't retired. Paul Mooney didn't retire that, Gregory didn't retire. Jump Rivers didn't retire. We don't retire. We're work until we die. But I'm okay with that. If I could spend my life making people laugh, I'm

okay with it. What if somebody offered you a broadcast uh position, because you're doing broadcasting, now, what would you go into that? Days more? Absolutely? Absolutely, just if I could just bring joy to people, that's all it. It ain't even about money for me. I just want to see people smiling, man, I like, and I just want to use my truth to do that. You won't be

able to see him smiling on big stage. Get to hear them, because when I'm when I'm in the dressing room and I like, if I'm headlining and I got my host and my feature out, I'm not really listening to the material too much. I'm listening to see if I hear the laughs. Are they laughing at this motherfucker? That's That's what I wanted up And then also I do try to listen. You know, some rooms you can't hear the stage, and other rooms have the monitory to

watch the show. It's always helpful to watch the comments ahead of you because you may have material that's similar to theirs. You don't want to go out looking like a hack because that's subject has already been preached. So then maybe you want to change your set and not do that and do this instead. Has already talked about that. You know what I'm saying. It pays to listen. And then when when I see younger comments coming there, they like they want to go do multiple rooms in a night.

Well that's fine, but you are on a show with like George Lopez, you should probably stay and watch the person who's in the position trying to get to to see what they did. Why did this joke? Were good in this room? What does this room like? Do they like? Are they couples? Are they single? Are they black? Are they white? Are they drinking? Are they sober? Are they happy? Are they grumpy? You know all that shi It has a lot to do with what you do and how

you're gonna be received. So you will will have like like what you're gonna say playing and then switch it up right before you go out there. I really only have about four things planned, and I have thirty years worth of material in my head though, See, so I can pute from anything. You know, you want to talk about pregnancy, I got that. I want to talk about divorce. I got that. I wanna talk about crack. I got that I want to talk about wait, I got that.

You know, I want to talk about interracial relationships. I got that. I don't even see my man. Somebody in my team is married to a white woman. I talked about him every single day. I'm like, I don't know how to fund y'all live together. You got the black guy going through the house turning to heat up. You got the white girl going through the house turn to get down. Our fucking day, the thermostat is up there, down I'm so cold. Yeah, but I'm burning up. Well,

I'm seazing. But as I didn't here, I know you you on the Cat Williams um shore and he named it world War three? War three right now. Cat Williams is one of the most funniest, but he's also like one of the more to me, one of more conscious entertainers in the industry. Why why why is it world War three? Does he think that we're about to go to war? No, we're at war. If you haven't noticed, yeah, we're dealing with chemical warfare, spiritual warfare. We're dealing with

spiritual warfare, racial warfare. We're in it now. We're it's not coming. We're in it now. You know, we're at war. They're killing our brothers in the street with no repercussion. If you look at the poor the girl Shakari that got busted for smoking weed for the Olympics right after her mother died. But now they got a white girl that testifies mother, but they're gonna let her. That's people. Black people are definitely not at the bottom at the

Automa to totem pole. These motherfucker's work around the clock to figure out ways to funk us up, and we just be chilling. I'm just trying to figure out, like what's the what's the attack? Like why, Like black people got to realize like we're super special, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know it's wicked. Well, you would need to get a white politician on or somebody white to answer that question. I think that a lot of it has to do with jealousy. White men are

obviously jealous of Black men and their sexual progress. You know, you know anything, all right, Okay, It may not be in public, it might be behind the building. But you know, very few white men can pull her sister away from a brother, But but a brother can pull your bit any day. Because we're superior. They're very upset the fact that we're the first people that we're superior. We can do different things to our hair. And there I was like, oh,

let me touch it? Can I touch it? And then they were and then they pat you on the head like a dog or running hand over your head like this. Now you're gonna get sucked up. You know that we're super talented. Anything we put our mind to, we can excel. Uh King Richard the movie Venus and Serena. They didn't see black girls from Compton coming over. They came dominated at the top of the game Tiger Woods. They didn't think that nigger was gonna be on the golf course

doing it like that. But look what happened. You know, we're gonna we got some swimmers, We got you know, anything we do, we excel in. And I think a lot of rage and jealousy comes behind that from from maybe the white men in power, because that's that is

their power, being in power. Money is the power play that they got because we already know black like black women like we may not we'd be on the forefront, you know, but what white women may be in the bedrooms and they pillow talking what they meant and telling them what then to do like the women the men to me and do what I tried. Listen, I tried that ship one time. I'm not doing that no more. My eyebrows burnt right off my face at her. I'll do it once a year for a birthday or something.

I ain't doing it. My ass is as it was when I was. Now, you said you would take a COVID test in that ass this morning. Now I saw, yeah, But look at that. That's that's that's why I'm is very tiny. That's nothing but like that as opposed to something that's like this. Yeah, but if you could do it, then you got skills. Because I I wish I could do it, but I can't do it. No. I had a friend who said she right. I got a girlfriend

said she that ship does not feel good. It's just the act of it, the nasty ass act of it feels good to them. Yeah, I don't know why I need I would want to suck me in my dirty asshole and I got a fabulous pussy that's like just this far away. I feel like I'm you're a woman in that. I don't feel like anything a man does with a woman, I don't think so, because do you think about that is gay? Well, nobody asking me to stick these in? I do it, but I'm out of

jig with a deal though before. But they're fucking they got something latent. I don't know. They always say, well, it's the prostrate and that's very sexual. Nigga, Really, how did you know that? I'm not into the ass flay but that's just me. Anybody or whatever you do in the bedroom and make you and your partner happy, go for it, but don't don't come at me with that ship.

I'm not hold on. Let's say some bills stories so so, because we've all been a dumb bitch at least, so we have this segment on our show called Dumby Story right, and we share our stories of like making bad choices when it comes to men and relationships, or getting played by a nigga or something like that. Can you share with us a time where like a nigga played with

you or you made a bad choice behind the man. Yeah, I have a thirty year bad choice that I was working on and off for like thirty years, and and and he was the best lover I ever had. That was probably the reason. But he taught me a lot, and you know, he spoke, and I thought that was so empowering, and you know, he did a lot of really nature guy and you know, camping and all that. Ship and uh. But at the end of the day, it took me thirty years and finally cut this motherfucker loose,

you know, and never funk with him again. And I don't think I wasted my time with him, but it certainly wasn't productive, I'll say that. And it was just really a sex sex thing. And I feel like he felt freer with me than probably anybody else, and I felt free with him as well. And that was the mac. But but when you put your feet on the floor, you know, can we still get along with our feet on the floor when they're not up in the air. So it See, that's the thing I nigga play with Gemini.

Oh that's fucking motherfucker Geminis. I believe that motherfucking asked Gemini. But see, ladies listening to that nigga will play with you for thirty whole years if you we'll be letting these niggas. These niggas ain't doing. But you know, everything is a learning is span. Some people learned lesson earlier. You know, you grow and mature. You know that there's people that could have pulled you when you were seventeen,

that couldn't couldn't come in the room with you. Now we all sort of evolved as we get older, you know what I mean. And for me like I me and these younger motherfucker's girls, they liked me for some reason. I body like you. So I've often been and the guy that the guy that the gemmi excuse me, was older than me. So you know, I finally had an older guy, older man, teach me this and show me that. But at the end of the day, I don't really like guys that are my age because they start slowing

down and I'm just up. And so because I have, you know, a young spirit and I'm out of you're doing this, a lot of younger guys um that they're attracting to me. So uh, you know, we we we saw, we saw that expanty, that savage expanty. Shoot yes, man, that was a business. Still, Uh, I wouldn't have done it for like Rainbow, you line, excuse me, but it was Rihanna, So I feel like I put some legitimacy to it or else I would have never because I

have four brothers and they followed me on Instagram. I don't want to put my ass up there for my brother to see. I wish I could have blocked them, but it paid very well. And this is Rihanna and this is Lara, and I tried to do it with some class and some style. I even shot uh six page red for Penthouse, but I didn't bust it open like that? Was that a misconception about? Because I mean, based on your comedy content, like people would think that

you're busting wide open, you know what I'm saying. So that is and we know you don't like hugging strangers, right, So what's the what's the misconception about? Well, no, I love hugging strangers. You know, I love hugging people. I have severe allergies, though, and I'm allergic to some people's perfume or the makeup. And they kissed me or hugged me, then twenty minutes after they leave. I'm starting to wheeze and my eyes are starting to sweat swell up, and

I have to put an epipin in my leg. I started doing stopped doing that before quarantine started, just because you know, twice a year, I would have a horrible for the allergic reaction and then I have to go to the hospital if I'm not around my epipin, And then they don't know that I have done shows with my eyes swollen shut before and I still did the show. I didn't cancel, and then I took it off and showed the people so they didn't think I was just trying to be cool and were my shades for the

whole show. I let him know that I'm here for you, doing the show for you because you paid to see me, and here I am. But I'll let you know that I'm struggling right now, but I'm still here to do that. Um uh. The meeting Greefs now, we don't do them. Also because she I was on tour with Cat fifteen years ago. So that's why it's so wonderful for all of us to be back together again now fifteen years later. Now, when Cat used to do theaters, we would do meet

and greets. But if you do a three thousand and see theater and two thousand five people want to picture, Now you're there two and a half hours after the show has ended. Security wants to go home, they want to close the play. They gotta pay extra money. And so we had to stop doing that before and it does. But now we're doing arenas and ship so we don't

we don't come in contact. You know, I know you've seen the actress A J. H. A J. Johnson interview on another show and she was talking about how she did a threesome for her fiftieth birthday. So is that a misconception? We can't count on Lunell to have had done a threesome sometime in life. There that I see. I came up through the seventies. Now this was before crack and before you know, I was even out there, you know, before the AIDS epidemic even hit. You know,

I've lost twenty five friends to AIDS. You know, it's not just about COVID. AIDS is still out there. Gonna Rea is still out there, her pies is still out there. You need to be safe, period. You shouldn't put nobody's raw dick in your mouth, in your ass, or your pussy until they put a ring on it and you don't lock down and said this, but even at that rate, that's what I was saying. I preach about condom six all the time on this show, but some people don't

like a lot of people don't like it. They like it raw, that's it. Well, that's fine if they like taking penicell and they're like taking pills and they're like going to the doctor. Fuck raw. As much as you want good okay on me personally, I don't want to suck. All it take is one you have to trust for you went if you know what you're doing in bed, it wouldn't matter if you had a sock on your dick. Damn. Teach me how to do that, because I don't know what to do with no. Well, it could save it.

One of my friends right now, he told me that he was working with an older woman one time and she was blow drying her pussy. She was blow drying pussy, Like, yeah, these young girls don't know about that. He said, her pussy was so fucking warm, and so I'm like, wait, I never blow dry my pussy before I sucked. Somebody now to get it, get a little hot box going on. I think that's the exception. I think that's exception, not the rule about no blow drying like she got going

on down there. Yeah, to make sure she's got no extra moisture. Well if if she if you're with any man, and you know, I'm a big believer that there's no such thing as vaginal dryness. I mean, if you were to write, motherfucker, pussy gonna get wet if you kiss mom somebody and they're messing with you and your pussy, don't get wet. Listen to your pussy. That's your pussy's way of saying, we don't want to him, right that part you may want to, but we don't want to

listen to your pussy, lady. Right. If he got a spit started, it ain't for you. Don't spit on me, nasty motherfucker? What is that? What is that? But yeah? But but I do, I do. I do like to hug folks, and I did a lot of that, but I just can't do it no more. So let me ask you this one takeaway that our listeners can get from you about life and being a comedian and your future.

Where would you get them one piece of advice being a woman, well about life, about being a comedian, because that's true different Okay, well maybe that part was with me,

but whichever when you choose. Okay, Well, as far as being a comedian, I would say, don't ever ever believe your own publicity or drink the kool aid or think you're the ship, even if you are, because there's some little comedians and naxis Mississippi that could probably wipe the floor with you, and you just don't know who they are. They got comedians in Africa, they got comedians in Jamaica, they got comedians in the South. They got comedians here

on the East Coast where I am. The East Coast, comedians are way more intelligent and have way more highbrow type of comedy than we do when I'm from the South. You know, I'm talking about neck bones and stuff like that, but they could be talking about Wall Street and ship that we don't even know about. So I just say, you know, like Kendrick says, sit down, bitch, be humble. You know, don't ever ever ever think that you're the ship, because there's somebody out there that is batter than you,

and they're coming for your spot period. As far as life goes, I would say, just try to you know, try to be nice. But if somebody's not being nice back to you, that ass up. Don't take no ship. Offer nobody, especially racially these days, don't. If somebody rapes you, don't wait for a teen years to tell it. Tell. If somebody hurts you, don't wait to tell that. Tell you know, if somebody steals your material, tell about that.

That's what these platforms are far and and and if somebody is just an asshole, you can tell that too. Because the day of not saying something about somebody who's sucked up so you don't lose your job, that ship is over. Tell the truth, get another job. Yeah, over everything. I mean, but I'm not you know, I'm not Miss Cleo. I can't be a still safer for everybody. But this

is just what I find words for me. One of the reasons that I even God in comedy is just to tell to purge some stuff out of me from the comedy is my church. I don't get to go to church. I'm always lying on a Sunday and doing showing the Sunday. And I love church well. I love music mhm and some of the words because I've been doing a deep dive into this thing now and I'm like, well, Jesus didn't right the Bible right, some white man did. And so we had a religion before we came over

here from Africa that didn't include Christ. The blond white man. I would like to know more about, you know, the RBA that the gem and I taught me religion and some of our black ancestral stuff. You can go to church. I love church. I love the feeling. I can get the word you take from what you what you want and leave the rest. But you know, uh, everybody that dies is I go to heaven. Some people are assholes. And then oh he was a good man. No it wasn't.

Uh he you know, first accepted Christ when he was said, you don't know he didn't you know, tell the fu truth about about about people and and just trying to try to be a good person. But just don't take no ship, you know, and they don't have to be. There's also a way to cuss people out without cussing too, because I have a Bachelor of Arts degree UM in English literature from cal State Hayward. And people don't know that.

And I can write a letter on your ass that will rip their asster shreds without using any cuss words periods. Do it and I like it. Yeah, you don't have a channel yet. Definitely relationships and relationship for me, that's what it is. I can speak Karen's language anytime she's ready. Where's the next show? Friday night in New Orleans, Saturday night in a little w y'all, New Orleans. She's gonna be at the Lakefront Arena. Just in case you didn't know,

I know you're gonna be at tomorrow, bitch. Yeah, it's the World War Three Comedy Tours, a hundred city tour. We've done like maybe thirty five shows. So and I think the cat's gonna take off during the summer, and we we're booked up till May. Right now. At the end of May, we may take a little break and then do some more stuff in Now, y'all come into Charleston. I'm in Charleston, South Carolina. I'll see you if you're gonna be there. In April, I'm going to that show

with some city. I don't know what city is gonna be, but just hit me in the d M S ladies appreciate it. Alright, I'm gonna I know. I got to go see the Tina play for free. I was like, oh that was good. Yeah, it was you know, anytime get to see. First of all, thank god Broadways back open. If you're into that. I love live performance period. My daughter is a dancer. If you've done your deep dive,

you know about my daughter. And uh and uh so I was very tuned into the dancers and shows work their ass off because it ain't easy being an I cat. If you knows it ain't easy being an I cat. You dance shows. They don't have no slow songs that they might start slow, but it ain't like that. Yeah, and so they really worked their ass off last night and it was good to see. I I thank you

for um, you know, this opportunity. And I hope that the people who watch this do comment and trying back to you about the feedback, whether they thought it was good or bad or indifferent. And uh, I don't have a lot of funks left, but I got two or three. I give a funk more people. Thanks some. I'm a little bit, but I just hope that you know, you guys enjoyed that the viewer is enjoy the podcast and support your your show. Thank you so much for that.

We appreciate that. Okay, at lue Nelle on Instagram. Everybody, if you watch this, hit me in the dam to tell me that you that you watched the sisters at Lunelle l U l l Okay, Oh my god, man, I love lu nell She's so dope man too. Lunelle is a damn fool. You gotta follow her on Instagram and why she's got damn lives girls, and you know, we always be talking about how we need to get on live more often, and she can do it. Lunella is sixty two. If she can do we definitely can

get on there. We're gonna start this week coming in. I love her. What's her Instagram against at Lunelle at Lunella Instagram. Okay, so, and Lunelle, I hope you send us those tickets like you said, it's the World War three tour that she's gonna be on you guys, So y'all go check that out. Yeah that's dope, all right, y'all. So look, if you enjoyed this episode, please tune in every Thursday on an I Heart Radio Apple wherever the fuck you get your podcast that This is your girl.

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