A Curvy Conversation (w/ Timothy Snell)

So I'm here to shed light into your life. But let's be clear when we talk about shedding and like that's on the good and a bad because if you want to be better and you want to do better, guess what You're gonna have to be able to say better, Okay, And we do that by instilling that you are your greatest asset because at the end of the day, I'm

here to get excited about my life. And I couldn't be more excited today because as I've told you time and time again, this is my dream and I have a dear, a special friend that's joining me today now just so that we got this clear out, to make sure I say it right. He is an award winning

television host, a fashion designer, a celebrity stylist. Um, you can say he's both an image maker and a therapist, kind of like that whole ordeal of working on the outside and um, you may be familiar with him, known as the man behind the curves, also known as the stylist to one of my one of the women that I look up into the industry so much, Queen Latifa.

He styled what Angela bas said Lenny Kravitz. I mean, the list could go on and on and oh, let me not forget the late, the great, uh, the voice Miss Whitney Houston. So, without further ado, I hope you enjoyed this conversation. It's time for your dose a vitamin D D right with me and get excited about Mr Snall. Yeah, thank you for having me. I appreciate you how you're doing.

Welcome to my dream. You know what, it's it's great to be a part of your dream because I've heard about this dream a long time and you're out here doing it. It's great to be in a dream that is a happy dream. Yes, and I'm here to participate, and you know, have great conversation and just share some of my experience, my um adventures, my opportunities with you and what I've done, what I'm doing now and where I'm going, and I'm hoping we can inspire some people

on the way. Well, that's what it's all about. I mean, having conversation is at the end of the day, you want people to take a have a great takeaway. That's anything you do in life, you want people to take something away from it that's valuable. Even if you're cooking for them, you want them to take away a fit stomach. You want them to feel good about what they ate,

no matter what. In any situation. I think it's um especially in this climate, we have to do things to make us feel good and make other people feel good as well. Right because we walk away with kind of like three principles to be informed, inspired, and entertained. I felt like that's kind of like the pinnacles that drive us in life. I agree. I think it's um challenging. But in life, I think that we always have to

reach out for something that's better than ourselves. And when we reach out for things that are better in ourselves and encourage ourselves, that's how we keep moving forward, and that's how we keep going towards the possibility, because that's what life is. Every day you work, you wake up in the morning as a possibility for something to turn over in your life. And it's a sign that the universe and God is not done with you yet, so

you might as well make the best of it. It ain't a period until and then after the period, the spirit still lives. H come on, but the soul is at rest, but the spirit lives. Well, you better hold on now. It's that upbringing, you know, my mom and my family and stuff. You know, I was raised in church, so you know, you you you have a foundation. It's just like with anything, you get a foundation, just like I went to design school that that provid provided me

here to where I am today. You need that foundation, You need something to work with. You need that knowledge and that power to keep you strong, to keep you focused, to keep you mighty, and to keep you powerful. All right, And it's a testament as to why you've been able to be featured on a Queen las Eva show The Seva. So, I mean, you've had your own show, but we're going to dive into that and even talk about how we

met first. For anybody that's just tuning in, tell us about who you are, Okay, I am Timothy snell Man behind the curbs and you know, just uh. I'm from Las Vegas, Nevada, born and raised in Las Vegas, Nevada. I come from a family. Uh. I have a sister named Tracy. My parents are no longer with us. My parents raised us together. Um. I came from a middle class black family. I felt very fortunate in a lot of ways growing up because I had opportunities growing up as a kid that I want to afford it to

a lot of other black kids and stuff. Growing up, but I felt very advantaged and I was always trying to take my friends along for the ride. Like my sister and I took swimming lessons, we took judo. I played the saxophone. My sister played the clarinet, and she played the piano. These are things that our parents, my parents kept us involved in to keep our because you know, they didn't want us to stray from anything. And they kept positive adults and positive people around us as we

grew up as kids. And you know, I grew up you know, singing in the church choir. You know me, I sing all over the place. You know me. I'm singing in my car. I could, I could said in my car to beat my funds in hall in my office. So I do that kind of thing. And then when I was about seventeen years old, I got a chance to sing on the Las Vegas Strip as a background singer. What how come I didn't know that. There's a lot of things that people don't know about me. So you

were about to be a singer? Well, you know the interesting thing about it is my sister when I said I was gonna leave, when I was leaving home to go to design school, she said, I don't know why you're going to design school. Why don't you just go to do session work and just become a singer. And I never really thought about that. I didn't have the

opportunity and I didn't think about it. But I'm looking back on in hindsight, I think to myself, God, my sister saw something than me that I didn't realize that. She dropped that nugget at me, and I didn't pay attention to it. But yeah, I've been singing all my life. My mother was my mother and her sister growing up used to go around in their town. My mother was born and her name was Helen and her sister's name was Maddie. And they grew up and they could really sing.

They could harmonize. They would take a poem and make a song out of it. They were in that period around the Lena Horn area and all Era and all of that stuff like that. They didn't have the opportunity that some of the opportunity has been afforded to me as wasn't afforded to my mom and her sister and stuff. But they could really sing. My mother was a great auto soprano sing. I mean she could blow and she had a really powerful voice, and so did her sister,

and so it just runs in my family. I never knew of my dad because I don't even know if I ever had my dad's sing. But my dad could whistle, and I inherited it. I inherited that from my dad. I'm a strong whistle like I'll sing all whistle up of a riot carry song that admitted to hit those notes with a whistles. I mean, that's my thing. I mean, but um, yeah, that's where I started. Las Vegas and Vada.

You know, I still go home periodically. I still see the same friends that I grew up with, and um, their parents and the cousins and stuff like that, and it's just it's really nice to go home, you know, to be to feel value and be appreciated and say we're proud of you. You're doing a good job, and you know all of that stuff. Really, you know, just um ground you makes you feel you know, okay, it makes you feel cool. It makes the climb up much

easier because you know that your roots are playing it right. Yeah. I mean I think what your parents is stilling you is what you take to your great wow. And you know, just me knowing you personally, Like you have a really strong connection with your mother. You were always close with your Mothersi. Yes, That's where I think I got the love of it from. My mother would go and shop at Imagnum, which was a really big boutique Story and Vegas,

or she would go to the high end boutiques. If she could not afford it, she could copy it in her mind and go home and make it. So I grew up around the sewing machine. I grew up around my mother would be in the bed with my dad watching TV doing a needle point, and I have pillowcases that my mom made for me and my sister would need a needle point and things like that. So she was a creative and so was my father. My father.

I always my father worked as a bellman, head bellman at the one of the hotels for many many years. But before that, my father went to college. He went to Groundland State in Louisiana. He was a college man and he had a really green thumb. He liked the outdoors. He we had a beautiful yard growing up. The landscaping was beautiful, the lights around the house. I mean, he took a lot of pride in his yard and his

cars because he watched his cars all the time. I have pictures of my dad leaning on his car in the sixte and beautiful and everything like that. So yeah, you know, I really think that I've had the best of both worlds, getting the creative aspect from both parents.

But my mother was the driving source of the creative when it comes down to style and fashion and things like that, because it's what I saw, right, And I'm wondering was your mother she was she Did she embrace that and cultivate that with you or is that something that you kept to yourself, like is something that I kept to myself. I didn't really talk about it because you have to think about I was, you know, almost raised up in the early seventies. It's a totally different

thing compared to what it is today. You weren't available to be as free as you are today as a young creative, you know, coming out and trying things. You know, everything was about being masculine and being um, you know, um the boy, you know, the baseball boy of playing baseball or whatever like that. And like I said before, my dad put us in judo classes, Me and my sister took martial arts. You He wanted us to be

able to protect ourselves and different things like that. And so for me, it wasn't stifled, but it wasn't like you know what I mean, It wasn't it wasn't watered, It wasn't saying here, It wasn't taken away, but it was never taken away. It was always a great job. You know, good, that's beautiful, you know that type of stuff. You know, things like that. So did you feel like growing up of I guess you were sketching different things that Um I was sketching, right, I was sketching, right.

I've always been like a a writer. I would I would keep journals before I knew what journals were really you know, I was very young, and I've gotten away from a lot of that stuff. But all of that stuff that was, I guess wasn't foreign to me, was foreign to the world as people out doing it, as people talk about it today. So how did how did

you branch out? Because I know there's plenty of people that probably maybe want to be a stylus, maybe want to be a doctor or anything, and people aren't necessarily cultivating that or in that environment. So the interesting thing for me is I after high school goal, I went to my father and I said, um, John, never forget this conversation. I said to my dad, Um, I want

to take a year off. And he looked at me and he said a year off from what I said, Well, I want to figure out where I'm going and what I'm doing, and where you're gonna go to school. And you're gonna figure out what you're doing or where you're going. My father was really about education. His side of the family are college professors. They have doctrine degrees, they have master's degrees. He is really about that fine education. My father was a part of that, that circle, and um,

I didn't know then what I knew now. I was upset about it and whatever like that, but I did understand. I went to regular community college just trying to figure it all out, you know, taking those basic courses. But then I figured out. I pray one day and I said, God, what do I do? Naturally that could be my career? Interesting because I would sketch clothes every now and then, and I love clothes thing, and I love the idea of fashion for men and women. I loved that fashion

tells a story about a person, how they dressed. It articulates to another individual or the world how they think of themselves in some cases. So I went to UM started taking some primary like fashion courses and stuff like that, just to figure it out. And then one day this guy said, mean, you know, it's a college and in the latest fit UM, and there's all these other colleges

that you should look into. So I looked into it and I went to school, and I UM, I was fortunate enough my mom took me and she paid the initial tuition to get in and stuff like that for me and UM because I went to school right after my father passed away. My father was forty eight years old, healthy as we thought he healthy as we thought he was. My father wasn't overweight, he was a vitamin taker. He

was an active man. And but you know what, people didn't pay attention to science with heart disease back then as they do as they do now. You know what I'm saying. So my dad died in February, and I left home in September going to college. So in college, I found myself. It was a it was a freedom that I had never known before. And I didn't work as hard as I thought I should have worked. But let me ask you this, when you said you found yourself,

what do you mean by that? Well, it was a chance for me to be free, to be who I wanted to be. A gay man that's just wanted to be free and just wanted to be whomever I wanted to be, and not judge for who I am, but just judge for the character of who I am as a man. You know, because you know, when you're twenty, when you're very young and head, you're very young in thought, and you don't know really how to be a man.

You have to learn how to be a man, a man someone, And for me it was I was always aware that being a man didn't necessarily mean the measure of your masculinity or your test I the wrong within your body. Being a man was taking care of your family and taking care of your business, and being of service and being responsible and and those type of things. Because those are the things that my father showed me. So those are the things that I have in me.

So you know, it was a lot. It was becoming free from that and just becoming who I wanted to be, experimenting and dating and doing stuff and being creative and not having someone to tell me when you get up or time to go or time to do this, so you know, whatever like that. So you know that was all when you when I look back at it in hindsight, that's a lot. It's a lot too for a person to um hold onto. But I will tell you about as we talk, I'll tell you about all the experience.

I have a connection to things because when I um left hone, I was raised at Elizabeth four to one is seven. My dorm room number was seven seventeen. Yes, And when I laid in the bed one night, Um, I could see in the ceiling that somebody had written the name Eddie. My father's name was Eddie. My father's name was Eddie. And I asked my roommate in my dorm room and said, can you look and tell me

what what is that? And what does this say? It says Eddie And that was assigned to me to let me know that my father's spirit was So I've had all types of things like that happened to me all through life, just with clients that I worked for the connection to them and the bigger picture. And after graduating from college and going through that whole process, I did really good. And I want a lot of awards for best of Show, best of category. So I knew I

was doing something. Something you had, something definitely was being nurtured and developed. Yeah, I knew I had something, but I didn't know where it was going to take me. So, um, I got into the business. I started working. You know, I I I experienced a lot of racism. I mean, I'm a I'm a I'm a very I'm six ft four,

I'm like two d and fifty pounds. I'm a green eyed black man, and I can be in eyes are gorgeous, and I can I can be intimidating because I know how to articulate and how to have conversation and how to say what I need to say very well. And my and my work and my sketches and my book was beautiful because I took pride in my book that I presented for jobs. And I remember years my friends

were getting jobs, I wasn't getting jobs. My struggle was real, and it wasn't because I wasn't talented, because I wouldn't accept that about myself. I know I have talent that just the barriers were different back in the early nineties. It was a totally different story, you know what I'm saying. So and then confirmation came when I ran up on somebody that I went to interview at this company, and the girl pulled me to the side. She said, you know,

we all saw your book. You're very talented, but the wasn't going to hire you because you were black. And I thought, yeah, wait, what did you say when she said that to you? She know she's white, she's a white woman. And I said to her, thank you for sharing that with me. I didn't I was really disappointed in that moment. But I really appreciate that because that's something that I felt on many different occasions. But I appreciate you telling me because you're giving me the confirmation

I need to just push ahead. And I think that as a black man in fashion as I am, I mean, there are some struggles and some has been some struggles, I would say, in some challenging moments, but things have changed, and you know, you know, it's I don't want to say it's in vogue to be black and to be whatever, but let's face it, for decades and decades, the black experience has been copied to the runway, to lifestyle, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So now I'm just happy to be a part of

the conversation. Your conversation is so much bigger than old pun intended, because you serve an area that you know, for many have been discouraged from the fashion industry, and that's the plus scize field. And so I'm wondering, did you know coming in once you graduated that you wanted to go to plus size. Mother reminded me of something she said to me. You know, when you were in design school, you told me that you wanted to do plus size women's fashion, and I said, how did you

even think that? How did you even know of A plus? I just I just think that when you're open to prayer and spirit and you're open to your sensitive person, I think that God gives you things. But I think we can get so jumbled to we can't see, we can't come on discernment, we can't hear it or see it because we're so distracted by by other things out there into the universe. Be a good batter and different or distracted. But my mother reminded me of that. I thought,

I'm like God, I forgot all about that. But so who was the inspiration? Like I guess because at the time, if you're just seeing everybody, let's Pennsylvan. Let's just say, I know Twiggy was way back then, just like the Naomi Campbell's. Um, you know all those that were slender. How did you even think that, oh, a plus I girl needs to look good? Because for me and we'll talk about that later, Like someone like you has changed the trajectory of my thought process, my life, everything. Thank you.

I appreciate that. UM. I think it's because when I went to church, UM, I was exposed to women who took pride in the way they looked. And African American women have curves, but the way they dressed, the way they sauntered into church, the way the hats were tilted to the side to where, um, they didn't wear gloves anymore. But how the handbags and everything just came together a certain kind of way. And I was always attracted to that.

I was always attracted to the beauty of that, and how my mother's friends because my as it was a great dresser. I remember being no more twelve walking through the mall and stuff, and how man would just stare at my mom and she would walk. She wasn't she didn't dress sexually, she just had great style. And I just used to think to myself, what are they looking at? But then on one day I figured out this woman walked and say, oh my god, that's a beautiful dressing.

You wear it so well. And I had to begin to hear that more often. I begin to hear that more often. Then I begin to pay more attention to how my mom dressed and how she pulled herself together and stuff like that. So I have to say that, um, the influence of the women around me going to church, going to um weddings and different things like that really spoke to me. And also television, did fashion magazines and

different things like that. You know, I, um, I just paid attention to beauty and it didn't and size didn't matter to me because I was exposed to women of different sizes growing up, so it wasn't foreign to me. It's so interesting that you said that because, like you said, you quote it in your bio, you said, the clothes tell a story about a person, and that provides that fashion provides a common meeting ground because it's a universal language.

But I guess for someone like myself that grew up as a plus as girl um going out ecstatic about going shopping, that wasn't my narrative. That was like that was horror. So it's even interesting for to hear you say, like, hey, you went to church and you saw all these women. And maybe that's the key thing because as a young girl, what as far as carl be closed, what looked right on me. And as you said before, things have changed since it was but back in the day, well things

have changed. You have to look at it. But things have changed, but they haven't changed as much. I most recently had a conversation with somebody, and I've been saying this for the longest, even I used to talk about this on my TV show when I had interviews for my show and stuff like that. UM I used to always say, the shopping experience is where it all begins. The shopping experience is not online. Everybody's looking for experiences today.

They're looking for things to take them out of their norm and bring them to somewhere that's more powerful, more interesting, more pleasurable, more um um exciting, etcetera, etcetera. And I always thought the shopping experience and plus sized departments is so dismal. They're not set up properly all the way and you used to go all the way back in the corner. Why would that make you feel good? Well, they wouldn't, because really it's changed. But a lot of

it used to be afterthought. You have to think about that. A lot of that was afterthought. But now you have such companies um such as Eloquate that you can order online. You can you have UM an upscale line called eleven on Array. You have the curvy fashion Eastern Marie who talks about fashion and she's a Trailblazer and what's her blog about fashion? Keeping you up on what's happening and stuff like that. And I think that with those with people like that that are um in the mix, it's

making it different. But I just feel there needs to be places where women of size can go right just to have a conversation about the curves and what about it. Because you walk in and you see five or six other girls that are like a sixteen or eighteen or twenty two or whatever like that. However you want to look at it, but you feel comfortable. You feel comfortable, and I think that's the big thing about feeling you know, you feel comfortable enough to you know, hey girl, what's up?

You know that kind of thing? Oh that looks cute on you too? Coming my size? That comes in your size. Let me go to the back and get it for you, because it very insimidating. And I'm just wondering, did you ever practice or did you get any inspiration from your sister because you had a whole woman, you know, in the house with you. My sister is a pretty woman and always got inspiration for her for the sense that she always she doesn't know it, but she followed my

mother's sensibility of fashion and clothing. Because now my sister has a daughter who's nineteen years old. She's in college, so she wants to show skin. Of course, she has a beautiful figure, and I said to my sister one day, let her show her body. She's very tasteful. She doesn't show a lot because she's young. My niece, No, she's my nieces five eleven, and like a d she she ain't, you know she, But she works out and she's aware of her body, and she gets a little thick every

now and then when she comes on. She s at home summer right now, when she goes back to school, whatever way she gains it. AD just dropped right out because she's she's active, you know. So I for me about anything that has to do with the curvy market, it's just it's opportunity, time and space. Because for the last several years, a lot of people who are and who have a love for it, in an understanding for curving, curvy bodies and the curvy market are participating in it.

But there are a lot of people that just on it for the money. But if you're going to be in it for the money, hire people put people in the position who know that, who know the job, who live in the body. I may not live in a plus sized woman's body, but I live in a plus sized man's body, and I wanted too. So how now usually we here on the other end about models who are a plus size as a plus size celebrity style is What was your journey like coming through the industry.

It was so interesting because I just happenstanced upon it. I got really kind of disillusioned with the fashion industry because I wasn't getting the jobs that I thought that I deserved and that I was capable of doing. And then I knew I could do. So I walked out of a job. His company was called Tearing Apparel, and I worked in a division, and I went to work for Z Gallery. And let me tell you how God works.

When I went to Z Gallery, this girl worked their part time and she said, you know Larry Flynt, who we all know, Husper Magazine, Hustle, whatever, the it's coming out with this men men's magazine for men of Color fashion magazine. And we've been talking and you're really into fashion, and you've got great style, and you really seem to know what you're doing, maybe you should interview with them to work on the magazine, to be part of it. I have to start myself. And see, this is where

fear steps in. Come. Let's talk talk about it. Come on, this is where fear steps in. Because in my head I was saying, I don't think I can do this. What am I doing? Why am I doing? About the etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And I said, Okay, God, if this is meant for me to meet to be a part of this UM situation, a part of this magazine called Code magazine, UM, give me how to do it? How to sell myself. So I was laying in the bed one night and I was just kind of thinking to myself and then the

words me came to me storyboards. So what I did was I put together eight storyboards a fashion for men. And what I did instead of using American men's magazines like g Q, I used European men's magazines to create my storyboards. And what was the difference that you found. I found that the Europeans men's fashion board fashion boards will relate more to Black men because they were more interesting, they were more stylished, they were more out of the box.

They were more unique. So that's the reason why I went there. So I met with the publication director, Abbey Britain, who had worked for Women's Wear Daily, and who had worked for More magazine, who had worked for Glamor and all these different other magazines. Who was going to be over this? A white woman who was going to be over this, but she was hired putting the team together. I went in. I had fashion experience and had fashion

design experience. I put my storyboards up and I began to become and I became a storyteller and I sold my vision on how I see the magazine. You got that job, got that job because you became the first fashion director. Yes, but let me tell you how that happens, they said. She said, I'm going to bring you in as a fashion a fashion editor. I said, okay, a fashion editor assistant. I'm gonna bring you into that. Because the girl that was over it was named Cindy. Cindy

Bolden who still works in fashion today. She's at in Style magazine and I love her to this day. She got a job of Woman's Very Daily. She left the magazine. The publication director came to me and she said, I love you you're very creative. This is a black man's magazine. You're a black man. I'm not going to bring somebody in over you. I'm gonna teach you everything you need to know. And she did. Can I ask you a question this? I mean, I don't know how this sounds,

but have you found that you know? Because you've mentioned two people who have really given you direction with the people of color? Well, Abby wasn't a person of color. My direction through life has been given to me by many multiple culture because that's how my friend basis. So I have been fortunate enough to have a lot of people to um give me opportunities. So yeah, so, um,

that's how that happened. And I before I knew it. Oh, you gotta go to Milan, you have to go to London and so you just so you did you ever when you got your start? Did you work with any other brands before you jumped over to Code magazine? No. I had to create a rolodex. I had to call people and ask for clothing. I had to build my relationships. You know, with any job that you do, you only as good as your relationship. Relationships are important. It's important

to nurture your relationships. It's important to be kind to people and be direct and be as polished as you can with how you want to be represented, that you you talk to people in the same way. That's why they say your network is your network. It is, it is, it really is, And that rolodex is power. That rolodex used to be, you know, the thing that sits on the desk and the thing now your rolodex is right your phone and that can be on social media as well,

right and social media, Instagram, etcetera. I've met a lot of designers, young up and coming um um, biopoc um designers, urban designers that are looking for that are looking because I just recently participated in a as a judge for UM, the Curvy Fashionista and eleven I'm sorry, the Curvy fashion

Easter and Eloquate. They partnered to look for a black designer urban black designer to feature and a lot of people applied to us part of that judging proce something and they're going to be featured next year and UM eleven and I'm sorry and eloquies um website and selling

clothes congratulations. So it's really, um, it's really there's so many things happening and manifesting itself, you know, kind of that that magazine was the thing that turned the trajectory of my life, kind of give you like the launching pad it did. And to make a long story or what I did that the magazine closed unfortunately, but we did the first award season for magazines and publishing and stuff like that. We won six awards. Since magazine there

was no There was nobody like us. And we coined ourselves down the side of our book, the Style Bible for Men of Color. Wow. And to this day, once a year g Q puts out to an issue called the Style Bible, really coined by us. Hello, somebody catch it, catch it? I caught it. And another thing, what when we came out with the magazine Code magazine, they started featuring at that particular time more men of color in the fashion spreads. So we were making a difference, noticeable

little differences. And what did you find a lot of plus as men then? Or is that? Um? We worked with models now we had UM. We did covers and I did a lot. We did Princess a cover, We did Lenny Kravitz, Laurence fish Lawrence Fishburne, we did Samuel Jackson. He was our premier covered with wearing Oswald Boutang from London. So you know, we we really, we really raised the bar.

And because I always say and people what asked me an interview is when I was with Code magazine, what makes the the man of color different with this magazine? I said, Well, the difference is that he can go um downtown to uptown of downtown I'm sorry, uptown would be Harlem downtown to do a black tie affair with a tuxedo on. He can go home, put on his jeans and his tams, open up his shirt, take off his bow tie, and keep his jacket and his crisp white shirt on and go right onto the uptown and

hang with his versatility. Versatility and because we are the arbitrras of fashion in a lot of ways. So I if somebody's just wanting what do you mean by that? Well, the interesting thing about is they did a round table to come up with the name of Code Magazine, and what was taken away from it that black men speaking a lot of code, that they understand each other, and they speaking a lot of different ways that people may

not understand. And I think a lot of times when people think that black men may be aggressive or coming a certain way, it's not necessarily it's the code. It's the way, the way, the culture is, this the way they speak. So yeah, I was with that magazine. The magazine folded and then I, um, I got an agent and I started doing music videos and all of that stuff. So you so I'm leaving there, you start doing the music videos. And so when did like the Queen latifa Is,

the Angelo Bassetts and and the Whitney Houston? How how did that happen? That was interesting? I had an agent, Yeah, so who was first? The best thing that came out of the whole agent situation for me was getting Whitney. And my book was taken to William Morris. It was put in front of UM the Cold David UM with these um you know, one of her um you know managers, um that whole thing over there, and her assistant was

a black woman. Tomorrow Houston had been following me doing Cold and she said, oh, because they thought that maybe she we should change and maybe try a man with Whitney for a while. And so she saw it and she said, well, let me share this issue and how he styled halle Berry for the cover for the anniversary issue, and then um, I met Whitney. I just kind of bonded just that. First of all, First of all, can we win a little bit? Because it wasn't just like me,

what do us? It was one of your idols grown up right. Whitney Houston was the first concert I went to in my in my entire young adult life at the Forms in Los Angeles, California. She was my first concert, my first concert. And Whitney's full name was Whitney Elizabeth Houston. I was raised on Elizabeth. Come on, I mean, there's certain things that just kind of happened in your life. If you pay attention that you see the parallel. It is always kind of like there and we're just kind

of looking outside. But wait a minute, who one I ever saw? And I think that's the power. And when we talked about starting off and dreaming, who whatever thought this young boy has a lot for us. And then you appear working with her. Wait, tell me about the concert. Tell me about when you met him. My friend, my friend Tammy gavois Um, which is one of my dear friends, said I got tickets for us to go to a concert. And thinking, Oh. I was like, oh God, what is

the sponsor going to be? You know, because my girl, she had very different tastes about music and stuff like that, which I appreciate it because at that time we were listening to The Cure and all these other kind of things, because you know, I've just been very open about my music. I like all types of music. So she said, no, We're gonna go see Whitney. Houston almost fell down because

she knew how much I loved her. So we had nosebleed seats, but I was sitting in the benches seeing and I could hear her saying her voice was so amazing. I think I thought it crossed my mind. I thought to myself, well I would like to work from her. Well you better speak it smell. The reason why I had the pause were quick because you know, I have life tattered in my mouth, So don't act like you

didn't know that that's true. That's true. And the fact that you were able to speak that into exist on and I just kind of said it just kind of you know how you just kind of say something you're not really paying it, You just say something. I was kinda like to work with her. And then I just went on to the melody of the music, say the day or whatever she was sing. I just went I did. I just it was It was a thought and it was me just speaking something that was in my head.

And I don't even think my friend heard me because I didn't. I didn't broadcast it. It was just a thought for me. The interesting thing about this month before I got with me, I was going through a hard time. I wasn't making the kind of money I thought I needed to make. I just felt like, God, I've struggled so long. What is going on? Why is these things? Why? Why can't I just get myself to the door. I know what I bring. The Preacher's Wife was out and we had a what was it a two dollar movie

theater or three dollar movie theater. But it was something about that movie that encouraged me and made me feel full and made me feel like I can do this. I can keep going. Because why did you feel like you wanted to start? Well, I didn't know. I didn't know that. I wasn't gonna say I was going to give up completely, but I was challenged. What was the challenge. The challenge was things weren't happening the way I thought

they should happen, and weren't happening quick enough. It wasn't happening. I was working with people that I could tell them what the job to do, Like, how are you getting that check for five hundred thousand dollars year? And I'm telling you what to do? Why am I Something's wrong here? So I when I saw the Preacher's Wife, like me before or five times at the theater, and I would sit there. I would go to the movie, nobody even know. I just go by myself and just sit there and

watched the movie. And I didn't know that God was preparing me to work with this woman for fifteen years. The day she died, I worked with her. You worked with Whitney for fifteen years, A long time, A long time. I traveled the world with her, I worked with her. I was always. I just had a great time with her. I was just like because when I got the call my agent, I was in New York. She took me out to lunch and she I just sat there like

it just really happened. It just seems so weird. I mean, wait, now, you don't sit here and tell me that you gotta call working for Whitney Houston and what was the room that? What were you doing the phone? I don't know where I was. I don't know what room I was in. I don't know what happened, but I was in disbelief. I worked this way when things shocked me or things overwhelmed me, I get quiet, I go in. I go

in because I don't know if that's fear. I don't know what that is, but that's me kind of like, oh so one of my first jobs with her? Wait wait, wait, wait wait, what did you do when you first met her? What was that? I couldn't stop grinning, But I knew that beyond being a fan, I had a job to do. So I came in with my racks, adult and Gabanna, Um, who else did I have on that rack? Um, Gucci and everybody else? Because it was it was a project that needs to be suited. And you understand why I'm

saying suited. What we did so I'm doing the job and whatever like that. We did the fitting and it went beautifully. I learned a lot about her, and the first thing she said to me was she said, it's so sweet. She said, you have great taste. You don't have to bring some any close for me. You can shorten it and I trust you we will figure it out and you know, ETCeteras. Okay, so we did the fitting, I went back to my hotel and the next day we did the Diane saw your interview. That was my

first job with her. I got history all surrounded over me. I have history all around. So okay, you walk in wait. Okay, So the first time she said you have a great day to bring a smaller moment, You're just like, wow, that was regularly. Then the first eneview, what happened like what was you know, well, she was up in hair and makeup. That wasn't at that place to hang in that kind of and sometimes on hair and makeup is

going on. After we've talked to creative, I kind of like to step out just you know, do my steam clothes if I'm with an assistant or whatever, and just kind of like and then then I get my time, which is usually five or ten minutes because we're running out the door. But um, it was interesting. You traveled

the world and everyone. I can't even imagine of things that you've seen now because we're not talking about you know, I think there's a difference of the celebrity ism now, especially because we are able to see them on Instagram as easy access be before you have to show up. And this is a time when, like we're talking about like Michael Jackson Vane, we're talking about shutting down the street. That is crazy. We're in the hotel, they're like hundreds

of people outside waiting just to get a glimpse. Just a class. I mean, we went everywhere. I've been everywhere from Hong Kong to Japan, to Moscow to um St Petersburg. I've been to Barcelona, I've been to London countless times, Paris countless time. I've been um to so many places that I can't even for work. Also New York that's

just a regular. It's like l a for me, but just so many countless and to travel in such style but also have the gift of staying in such luxury at the hotel because you're with that lester and you're with that client who wants to be near her clothing. So it's really a remarkable experience. So what is one of your favorite memories with working with Whitney. I think that one of my favorite favorite moments is where Whitn is this. We're just sitting down and talking and she said,

you know what, you remind me of my family? Do you feel like you're my family? And I think that was one of our sweet moments. And then we had a moment one day when I went to her and I said, I will always be here to dress you, I will never judge you, and I'm here for you and I love you. And I think that really spoke to her because and she just listened and I just poured myself out to her. And I think in that moment, within the first six months of us working together, solidify

that relationship forever. Wow, and you said that you worked with her until she departed. Do you remember that day? Where where are you? What happened? How did you find out? Well? I was, It's so interesting to me how God will give you a gift. I did not talk to Whitney that often, but for I went to her, but her assistant, her handler, who is a personal handle you're not personal handlers to pack for them and to be make sure they got everything they need stuff like called me and said, hey,

tell what you doing. I said, well, I'm getting ready to head over. She said, Um, we don't want to talk to you for a minute. I said, okay, and she said this is the night the day of yes, hours before and she the assistant said, um, she want to talk to you. I said yeah, I put her on. She said I can't find those drop diamond beautiful costume, you know, the jewelry that some ear rings said, and she wanted to duplicate pair. And I said, oh, that's

not a problem. I'll just grab some of my way to y'all just because she said, I really appreciate it. I don't know whatever replaced it. And she said, thank you baby, and I'll see and I'll sing you a little bit and I love you and I said I love you back, and that was it. Wow. And then I got to the hotel to me hand. So that's what happened. And that's all I want to say about that. Wow.

I mean, and you know, it's just so interesting. And that's when I talked about just kind of like I mentioned before, how it's so important to speak into exist in what it is that you want. I really do things. So but you know how, I'm gonna tell you another thing to God, doesn't that things sneak up on you come on, because six months before she passed, I could not shake the song I Will Always Love You. I'd wake up with it in my head and I go to bed with it my I could not shake it.

And I tried to shake it, and I tried to shake it. I could not shake it. And I think that when we, like I said, when we truly pay attention to what's ours and what's in the universe and what I don't think that nothing can really hugely surprise you. I think in preparation, it prepares you for what's coming. And so that was my experience. So all right, I'm giving you too much and I'm just I'm souping it up, and I'm sure whoever's listening like they can say wow.

But then you know, this is what I'm wondering. How did you switch for I'm working with the Whitney Houston to be coined as the man behind the curves? How did you get to the curvy side? Had all has worked with curvy women. I worked with Monique for a while, I worked with Angela Basta for five years and um,

I just um. When I got with Latifa, I think because at that point, eleven years ago, the spotlight had already always been on her on her latifa, and she worked with the style as a dear friend of mine. Before I started working with her, Susan Moses had changed the game how how she looked, and I just went in and kind of just like kept the game moving. What's with her with her sensibility and her style? Look?

And when you're a woman that's a sixteen people always wonder how do you look so good and don't look like your plus side come on? And my answer to that is because I look at her as a woman. I look at her to someone who wants to look good and and the fabric you just happens to be a little bit more fabric. I don't approach it as a plus size woman. And I think that's what has given me the freedom to dress women so well that

a plus size. Because she says the plus you have to approach it as if this is someone who wants to be a part of the conversation and look the best that she can. Al Right, being a part of a conversation. I can't tell you what it's like to be not in the conversation, as being a curby girl of feeling embarrassed to go to the store. I can only tell you how many times I did not go out to different when I lived to New York. Sometimes I didn't go out to different lounges and clubs and

even younger because I didn't have anything to wear. And it is a horrible place to me and and and it's one thing to say, um, it is about confidence, but it's like you don't know where to look, especially when you can say in the situation, you don't see anyone that looks like you. You're not walking in the store where the first person you see or the mannequin you see looks like somebody that that that will wear something that you have one. Yeah, and I and I

had to. I had to to find designers that wanted to work with us, who wanted to be a part of the conversation. And I would go into the showrooms in New York and difference, Oh make that right there in the size, make that do that because able look at me and said, oh that'll work. I said, it absolutely work, because when you have when you have just one.

Sometimes I wouldn't allow my assistance for certain clients go shop for them because they didn't have the eye to see beyond what they see, because sometimes you have to look at something and know the possible. You gotta have the vision. You gotta have the vision for where you can take it and where it can go on. And for me, I've always had the vision of a life for my clients that they would be exceptional no matter who they are. But the love of curvy is natural

to me. You know, I'm a big guy. I have to dress myself in imagination, you know, and things to make myself look cool that are not your typical or your norm because I know how I want to look. So it just all kind of kind of just gotta flows over to the to the curvy girl as well.

I love that because you know, when you talk about, you know, having the vision, and it sounds like you're talking about creating a being livingless And I feel the offensives where you think about being in the plus size realm, you're in a box, you're contained, but instead you have the outlook of how much more and how much more

you can do. And I'm just wondering, um, looking at the plus size industry now and even looking back then, why do you feel that or maybe it's still you know, having out Why do you feel that there are limitations on plus eye clothing? Is it bigger than just I don't want to make anything for you? Is there something underline? Is it about materials? About production? Like? There are a couple of different stories with that. First of all, you have to think each designer has an image of how

they want their their brand to look. And if they don't want to share that brand with the plus sized woman that's there, that's their vision, that's their thing. That's why we have to create the new bodyguards of curvy fashion. That's why we have to look for and find people who are willing and wanted to design for that body type. So there are more opportunities, and they're more there's much

more clothing to pick from. Just saying, for instance, well there are enough curvy designers out there's what do you mean enough curvy designers that the thousands of designers that are designing straight sizes, why can't they just be thousands of designers designing plus size women's clothing? Why are you making it? Why do we have to put a Muslim and why do we got why do we have to do? We don't have to because I live in the possibility and what the possibility is that I see it bigger

than what it is. I see it on a bigger on a larger scale, and on a bigger level. I've um wrote some shows and stuff that I based around things like this and stuff like that, and I've done pitch meetings and I'm looking to do more. So if you're out there listening and you want to meet with me to do a pitch meeting about TV shows, please give me a call, Please hit me up. Um, I just think that we have to. Let me say this,

the plus size market is a very personal space. The girls know each other, the people know each other, they network with each other, they're friendly with each other, they're cool with each other. And um, I think outsiders coming in sometimes can be a little bit too much, especially when they know they're not in it for the whole overall personal kind of thing. And when you say outsiders,

what we what do we mean? But people who really don't understand the they don't understand the brand, don't even know the body type. They're just getting the check, you know what I mean. It's all interesting because you've I've heard you say this before. I mentioned in the episode of just having this curvy conversation because it's like curves have something to say to and it's that language is saying, hey,

I'm here, can you see me? Well, I think the word curvy has changed, and I think that it's all inclusive now. And I think and I think that I just feel like it's that word is not as it is important and a lot of women love using the word.

But I think even the way the retailers try and have been trying to mix clothing sizes amongst everybody else, I think there's nothing more special than a woman who was a size zero X or a woman who was a size four x five X. Or she can go to a too, she can go to a place within the department store this fabulous and feel like nothing but her size is going to be around her, which which brings is a huge comfort ability. What makes you feel power in numbers? Why do you want to feel like

you're included? So? What do you feel are some of the challenges that brands do face otherwise other than you may not see your clothing on that type of body type. To make sure that the clothing is more inclusive for everybody. What's happened? I think that I think brands, especially designers who want to design for plus women, they need opportunity. They need department stores and stores to get behind them and bring them into stories and take chances on them.

Opportunities have to be created for them to come into the stores and do capsule collections through introduction and stuff like that. That's why you see a lot of people doing stuff on Instagram. They're doing their own stuff, got their own websites, right because I guess if they're they're not going to move, then you might as well just be the person that moves as well. Right, Yes, but

there is people are also looking for experiences. There is nothing like an experience to go Okay, I have shopped everywhere, every major boutique everywhere, London, Paris, everywhere, Beverly Hills, whatever. There's nothing like going into the cheek being offered champagne, water or whatever and sitting in a beautiful surrounding and clothing is just being brought out to you for your

client or with your client or howmever like that. How often do women of women with up size get to experience that and have the experience givesually, we just said how you got to go back in the corner. They just see what's the only one boutique in Beverly Hills that really does that? And I've worked with them before many many times and done U parties with them. Is Um and events is Marina Ronaldi who is a family with Max Mara. So it's happening, it is becoming big,

it's it's changing. But we have to support the women with these voices that are saying what their needs are and we have to pay attention to that. And how do we do that but to keep listening to people and people with the coin gotta come up and give, gotta give the bread to make it happen. So if you here, if you know of a curvy designer or style is out there, what would you side to them?

I would say, stay steadfast, keep doing what you do, follow the market to thine stuff, be true with your designs. Don't try to be like somebody else, Be like you because that's gonna make you stand out and be more unique. And it's already done. So let me answer this. You know you talked about we did us listen out there

talking about you have the ideas for the show. But you and I met on your premier show A show that's never been done anything, like never the first time ever they had a show on television that focused on nothing but curvy women makeovers and curvy women's bodies and needs curvy style with Timothy's curvy style, with Timothy's now be et. To this day, I still get women to hit me up on Instagram. I wish we're you know it's it's it's in reruns right now. I get hit up.

Oh my god, I just saw your show. I didn't know I was out there. It's amazing. When it's the second season coming in, When is this happen? K like, oh my gosh, I just saw you on TV. I was like yeah, and that was a few years ago now. So my question to you is is, um, do you remember how we met? Remember? Tell them how we miss Now who have it? But the show runner mother, make sure they know Mother Mary Mary. I said, I have

this girl I want you to meet. And I'm somebody who has a hard time with somebody trying to tell me what to do. He's a sad Yeah, I'm sad through and through. So I was like, huh, you want to meet this girl? Yeah? I think she's pryingfect on Tam she'll be right. So I'm like, oh my god, I mean okay, okay, okay. So you showed up and I have the picture and we were sitting there on the couch with the camera on us what our chemistry would be like. And I had to tell you to

be quiet because I said, listen, who's interviewing Hugh? Here? Slow your roll? This one here, slow your roll, everybody, slow your roll. Slow down. So basically I said, Okay, there is a light in her, there is a spark, and she's funny, and she's pretty and she is a true curvy girl. Okay, absolutely, whatever mayre, let's just roll with it. We got a show to do. Let's make it happy, let's make it powerful. And we had a good time. We we We were the first, the first,

We were the first. I can always say I was the first. I had a billboard in Times Square. We did a great BT, they did a great commercial for us. We had a whole premiere in New York. Okay, it was fat was you brought out everyone? It was. I had so many supportive people coming out to support this because it matters, and it's still matters. It matters so much, and I want back in on television in this venue because this is very important and we have to keep celebrating.

And you know, I had already worked out the second season how different it was going to be and what it was gonna look like, and we did get picked up. But things happen. Think you know things. It's always working for a greater good, right, you know what? Because I don't look back, I look forward. So whatever's coming forward, it's going to be bigger and better than that. Well, let me look back real quick. Did I tell you how I appeared in front of you? Don't tell you

about that moment? Back down memory? Late? All right, let me tell y'all, well happened? First of all, kind of like how Snell has talked about how Latifa, I'm sorry with Houston, Whitney Houston, how you just put it out there and left it alone. It's interesting because I'm looking at my journey and how you've encompassed you know, how have you made your way in my dream? Because probably who you're a Whitney Houston? This my queen lat teeth.

So this whole moment, this this this huge. Okay, if anybody knows me, knows how much I admire that woman. So let me tell you what happened. I was working at this production company and after I moved out to l A. And this wasn't the fulfillment for Dawn, and I said I had to do more. So I actually resigned. I asked to be released from the job, which I was granted. So I was out there doing uber, you know.

And I had just recently moved or relocated from New York to l A. So I had signed up for all these casting agencies, backstage whatever, and so they were looking for people to have a makeover. And it's just so interesting everything that you've been talking about, vision, dreaming, possibility. They said they were looking for some plus size women to make over. Well, if anybody has met me, you know I'm a plus sized girl, but you know i'm

five four and a half on a good day. But you know, when you think of models, you're thinking five seven oh, not five seven five and eleven ten six ft. And so what happened was I have received an email notification from backstage dot com. Not traditionally the email comes in and it's like a solicit like, oh, we have an awesome opportunity click here. I'm grateful for whoever made the flyer. All the information um to be on the show was listed, and so I initially were coming in

to be a person to be made over. And when we talk about possibility, I had gotten there. Had the conversation they said, wait a minute, well you already condressed and oh we love your personality. How would you like to have potentially be on the show. And then that's when everything unfolded. I was like, oh my gosh, this man is a stylist for Queen Lativa. Oh my gosh, he's done so much. But more importantly, you spoke to

the little girl of Dawn, who you know. I've one that's always been confident and probably really confident in my dreams. But as far as my size and is something that has a strong hold because when you are twelve and thirteen years old and you are going to Lord and Taylor to find your out your Easter suit, when you looks like a miniature grown woman is comfortable comfortable, it doesn't feel good. And to be in the presence of

somebody that you make the impossible possible. You make it so that I step in and say that I'm impossible and I'm beautiful. Well, it's just me just understanding that everybody needs to wants to be a part of the conversation. Everybody wants to dress nice, everybody wants to look beautiful,

and everybody wants to feel good. And when you put when you put those three things together, just think about how how okay when you don't have to worry about how you look or how you feel, how you talk or whatever like that, how or whatever your worry is, you can sore because you don't have that in the

back of your head because you're packing light. Yeah, you don't have that in the back of your head thinking about that when somebody is looking at you up and down as you know, you're thinking, um, you know negative, you should be thinking powerfully, you know what I mean. And that's what I want. And your show said all of that. Carving style with Timothy Snow was an outside and job because you know, I think oftentimes people can look at like a stylist like it's so vain, it's

on the outside, but it's like, it's true. When you show up and you feel like you look good, you are good, like you said, that's one less thing for me to worry about. So whether they feeling like I gotta push my shirt down. I gotta pull the pain. I'm comfortable to just be done because the clothes fit. The clothes come in my side. I'm not trying to wear something that doesn't fit me. I'm not trying to wear something that I that that's where I want to be, but they don't make it where I want to be.

So all of that's important. It's like you you are literally the language that can speak with plus size woman and and and clothing. Well definitely, you know, speaking speaking power into a person's life. That's not also sometimes just

include where the head is, it decludes. It also includes how your garments are too, because you know, I was telling Jeremiah as we were just preparing for this interview, and I was saying, like we all have our gifts that comes out in different ways, like mine maybe up out of my mouth, my words. Some people having in their hands they're building, they're making, they're putting on clothes.

Some people have it with songs, drawings. But it's like wherever your song is, and I have my personal trainer

on here. And he was saying it was a quote that he couldn't necessarily PenPoint, but he said that making sure that when you have your song, you sing your song that you're dying on empty, so you're not hoarding all these I wish I could have or I should have based on because what you feel like on the outside of your size, Yeah, I think it's important even if you're a size fourteen or a sixteen or eighteen or twenty or twenty two, if you feel good about

yourself and you can go out there and find what you're looking for the wear, it just manifests so much beauty and so much light because you feel good and you and you give other people permission to feel good. You're walking out, Hey, you're smiling and bouncing on your way. I'm smiling and bouncing on It's true. So I have to say that it really really speaks to a lot

of things. When people feel good, they do good. And that's why, you know, even talking about Curvey Style with Timothy Snail Mixture, you just check it out just to see what's about, because there was a lot of work that you were doing. Yeah, we were out there busting out the streets of alle P on the pump, don't forgive Miss Nag and Mackenzie and we were out there

in the streets trying to get the clothing. But there were times that whether you were with your celebrity clients or with the everyday people, you had this conversation kind of like does breakthrough of talking about their relationship with their clothing, what their aspirations, what's in your closet? What what's your relationship to your clothes? What's in your closet? Um are you? Do you have things in your closet that you have in wore five six years ago? Why

is it in your closet? How long will we be keeping closing there? Well? I think it depends on your style and your trend and your body weight and how what you feel comfortable with wearing. I think there there are what I call investment pieces. Investment pieces or pieces that made out of luxury fabrics that are fabrication that you may get for a higher end designer, or something that would be in a slack, a skinny pant and

maybe in a beautiful trench coat. It may be in a beautiful black dress that's made out of exceptional fabric something. These are called staples in your closet. Everybody should have their staples. Yeah, a crisp shirt or something, pants, blazer, said, or pants, a blaze, a skirt, a dress. I mean, those are just the piggyback to tap on what the

basics are in a closet. For instance, when I did the Queen Latifa show, I built her closet, and I built her closet around the basics jeans, slacks, blazers, blouses, um dresses, etcetera. And then what I called the wink or call like the style or call like the throwaway fashion, was the inexpensive stuff that I would just get and pop in for for that week, for that special appear that wasn't necessarily an investment piece, but it made a statement.

M H. And that's where your stories come in, like H and M and Zara and all of those solds and Fashion Nova and all of these stories like this in these young upcoming urban designers and stuff, because you're investing in them to get the fashion pieces. So if you were to think of all, what's one secret thing that you may have in your styling kit that you feel like every man, woman, child hoomever. Take double double stick makeup white. But that's my second one. But your

double stick tape. Because you can tape your belt down, you can keep your your blouses from falling open. If you're missing a button, you can tape a cuff, all of that type of stuff. But then the Ponds makeup removers are my go to thing. The Plons makeup move was a wipe that you remove makeup with. It will take anything out of clothes and will not leave a stand. And I've witnessed it because on the show there would be moments Snell Is like, pull out the Ponds white white.

There you go, and it's just it drives beautifully and it doesn't leave a stain and it takes the UM. I found this out from a makeup artist because she was UM. We had an early call time for Good Morning America. We went down, went back to the hotel, had breakfast. She wasted raspberry syrup down her white blouse. She said, oh, I'm not worried about I get it out. And I said, how are you gonna get that out?

Hans makeup white remover? Now, what about you know, just as a curby girl, what are some of the things as far as undergarments that everyone should have. Well, everything begins with a good foundation, life, your house, everything begins with a good foundation. So I think that that's where you should start with a good brawl with a good body shaper um with a good panti. That's a good investment. Go to your go to your local macy, go to the macy store, go to a department store, look around,

see what will work for you. When I was on the Steve Harvey Show one time, I said, I a woman she lost a lot of weight, and she wanted to know what could I where, how should I look going forward? I said, Well, first of all, congratulations on your weight loss. You're also a hundred and some pounds. The second thing you should do, take a friend, go to the mall, go to a department store, pull all the clothes you want to try, try them on, and take pictures of yourself to see before you buy anything,

to see what works on your new body. And you're not paying for nothing, right, Maybe I shouldn't say that, but you're not because you're not sure yet. But that's a that's just like a wardrobe. That's like a wardrobe room, and it gives you a visual representation of you know, just to wardrob room. You're walking through a Macy's, you're walking through a Bloomingdale's, you're walking through you're trying on,

you can go on into the dressing room. You're getting an idea of what your new body will do for you and how you feel, and then make a decision on what works for you and what you'd like to add to your closet as you're throwing the old things away. So um, with all this expertise coming down to just your schooling, down to working with your celebrity clients, down to just annoying what works. You had a swimsup line always for me, not always for me. Yes, yes, Timothy

Snow collaboration. I was very proud of it. It was very beautiful. Um it did Okay, I just think it was we needed more pr behind it. But it's beautiful and I was just looking online. It's still up there now. If you want to take a look at it and if you want to check it out, okay, always and tell us a little bit. It's kind of like a it's a sporty it's a sporty It's a sporty kind

of swimsuit line. I have. I have pieces in there with the high cut bathing suit bottom, with the crop tops with zippers and um, like a wet suit that you'd have for a it's a it's a legless wet suit that you would have in black, but a long zipper. Um. I have one pieces that are color blocked and stuff. It's really cool. I'm the beach to the beach. I

love it. And then there's some cover ups that are mashing, light weight and stuff that you can just throw over, stuff cute that you can just look cute in and look at me comfortable. And you know what I loved about it too, is that it gave me that support, Like I felt like I was being supported. I felt smooth. I feel like there's something that I learned from you, especially with clothing. So Carvet Girls, tech note is about the importance of grazing the body. Yeah, sometimes closed should

graze the body and not necessarily suck the body. But that's why you shape slim and smooth. That's your beginning. Did you catch that you shape slim and you smooth. That's how that's the that's the foundation. That's where you start with the underpinning. That's where underpinnings are important. You shape slim and smooth. And then after you shape slim and food, that's when you try the clothing on to see how it works. And what it works for your body,

what works for your body. But the clothing line, but the but the swimwear. I mean to every woman that wears that. I have had women to call me and it's good to know. Is it still is It's still always from me. I gotta tell some people because because what I got from People, it was featured in People magazine is one of the best swimsuits that year that it came out to the plus size one into where I have that in my press kit, one of the

best one. It was featured in People for one of the best whimsuits to wear because what it does was it was put together no underwire, but it was made in a way where it supports you and it held you, and it it ran over the cheek the right way and everything like that phenomenal. And I'll say this, I felt so good, like it was something that I could put on. You know, I had the Tankini and I had the Baybens, but I could put on some slacks.

I can put on a lot more with it. It was something that the Tankini type you could put on with a huge ruffle um ruffle border Maxi skirt or some flip flops and just wear it at the beach after you said at the beach and lounge just to beat you want to go to the bar and drink. There were so many different ways to wear it because I think when you design stuff for people, we have to be versatility with design because people have a lot of times if it's not a wedding dress, an evening

gown or black tithan. You need versatility within clothing so you can wear your items more often and get your money's come on. So let me ask you this now. In design school, while you learn the colors, of textures, of patterns and all that kind of stuff, are can you design clothing like I don't know the proper term cut it out. I haven't sold in years. When we were in design school, we were responsible to make our own sketch, make our own patterns, design, create our own

textile prints if we wanted to create prints. But yes, I know how to make patterns and all that stuff. That's why when I'm with the taylor and the taylor in session with the client, I can look at the garment and tell exactly what needs to be done right away because I understand fit. So the question is is, now, are you going to take us on the beach to the streets. Can we expect in the clothing line from

some working on something to drop for this fall? I want to get my feet wet and I want to again and I want to drop something this fall that I'm going to do through Instagram and through online give us. I'm just coming. It's coming and it's universal for all curvy women's body types, and I really believe they're gonna

love it. Oh well, because I try to think, what's an important that I could drop that a lot of women would want to wear, even the smaller women, but especially my curvy dolls, my curvy superstar, Carvey super Star what I call them. Now that is truly that's truly exciting. Okay, So now that we know that you did the swim suit, that you're planning on another line, what else is in

store for you? Well, you know, I'd really like to pin a book, and I would like to pin a book of great makeovers and my and my before and afters and my journey as being a big person and how that's how I got inspired and how I come to the position to inspire others and share what what I did. Because I want to do an illustration book on like what I did before and after. The before I want to write on the page, but the before I have to say I changed this, I did this,

this is. I want to give you exactly what I did to improve the shape and the box, like the curvy script, all inclusive script, all inclusive. I just wanted. I wanted to be readable, lightweight, and I just you know, I need a publisher and somebody who believes in it, because I really think it's important that a lot of times women have a style bible that are curvy on where to go, how to go. This gene works on my body type, look for that gene. This blazer works

on my body type. That a line skirt works on my body type better than the pencil skirt. This is. These are the things that should be tools that should just be on your body type, what works best on you. So when you go shop and stuff, when you look for those items, you try it on, you're like, wow, that looks great, right, And there's nothing better than that feeling of being able to go into the store, put something on and feel good when you look at yourself.

I can't tell you just being transparent, the amount of times that I've walked into a store, I passed by a mirror and I just said, and not because um no, just simply because I didn't feel the best on what I had on, but because I didn't know what it looks. So or you and I, I have styled you for stuff and I could, and I've gotten you to buy things that you didn't think. I never would have looked at that, honey, star has got me a couple of

you on several occasions. In fact, I was just showing Jeremiah when we did the premiere for Carvey Style Timothy Snail, and then you had me in that cape down, Honey, I was cascading around that. It was everything. And to know that you just whip whip bam, thank you man. I knew it would work on you, and it did. It just made you look like a column. It made

you look taller, which is definitely what I need. But is there any is there like a basic like or a few body standard body types that you know, there's a pear shape, there's a trump shape traditionally, well, she has a small waist, so a lot of times she could wear a lot of things that you want to send you in the waist. If you want to accent your waist, you're and then you have the triangle to

your heavier on top. So if you're having on top of sometimes I like to go with a bigger bottom or a triangle shape to balance the body so you don't look like you have two sticks and you're just a big square on top. That's a that's a body type to play with there. And then there's the oval. She's just round all over. That's somebody that you may need to add a shoulder pad too that you may need to add some gathering and some pleading in different areas just to create some volume to kind of just

or or things just to slim it down. But one of the things that I was my sister was telling me about it, and I find this and I was talking to was doing some consulting with someone. A lot of times curvy, young curvy girls gonna show their arms, they're gonna show their body, they're gonna show whatever they want to show because they're in that um lizzo thing in your head at that point, which is dope. But when a woman gets to be about thirty five, a lot of them and up curvy women they don't like

to show their arms. So you have to be creative and how you put a sleeve in something that still shows skin without making you look old. Wait, hold on, hold on, wait a minute. When you're at thirty five, the show arms, that means you you look older. Wait, I'm saying that some women beyond thirty five that are curvy, they have bigger arms sometimes and they don't want to be fleshy. Even some younger they don't want to show it, you know. The Actually they don't want to show the

flap or something that's jiggling. They want to show something that's covered up. But maybe they need a cold shoulder with the skin showing here. Maybe need just to get down the shoulder to the elbow the shows it opens up and shows some skin. Or maybe it's a a ruffle sleeve that's just over butterfly. This I'm just saying, we have to we have to design with everybody in mind, but with your design, design with everyone, and to design with everyone in mind. But you have to be true

to yourself when you create your collection. So it isn't about discrimination. It's just about any art. It's just like I'm so great, you know. The first thing I thought about was food. Yeah, do you put the egg in your mac and cheese or don't you? It's just personal post personal, and it's just how you want the presentation of your meal or in this class, how you want your clothes, you want your close to being. But I I think they're clothes are just like I said, a

universal language. They speak to all of us. Can clothes tell a story about people? So, uh, what's the story that you want to leave with people? Well, I just want to leave with people that you know what, I think to dono self be true And I think that when it comes down to style, stylar is something that people can teach you. You either have it or you don't, but don't be afraid to play with different things to

find your own style. Catch Now, if somebody's listening and they want to keep a contact with you and follow up, how do they do that? They can hit me up on my Instagram, which is Timothy snell o n E one Timothy snell one, oh Ny And all of my information is there, my business email addresses there and um, I'm on Twitter the same thing. Timothy snw one o n e UM website website, Modern Curves dot com. So reach out to me, say hello, ask me questions, UM, DM me, um, hit me up. I got a lot

to say, as you can tell. But I have a lot to say that I think will help people to rise to the occasion to be the best you can be in your curvy body. For all curvy superstars need to feel amazing. You need to feel like a star that's gonna shine. Yeah, every day it's your life. You're let me tell you. Somebody said this to me one day. Your life is a movie. You have to make a choice whether you're going to be the victim or you're going to be the star. Your life is a movie.

You have to make a choice. I choose to be a star in my movie. I don't want to be a victim in that lights camera catch it, catch it. Well, you kind of already said it, but you know, just as a standard protocol, I always ask people, um, you know, if they want to leave something adults of Vitamin D. It can be a song, lyric, it can be a quote, it could be something that you whatever, could just shed some light, give some inspiration. What what you say? I don't know. I think for me what I would say.

We all wear a crown. Just let your shine drop it bars did you catch it? The man behind the curves themselves. It's saying walking your authority, walk in your in yourself. We all have a crown on our head. Just just let it shine, Just let it sparkle if you want to, tilt it to the side, tilted to the side, but just don't wear the crowd on. Let the light go dimn on it, let it shine. Wow, you all, bundle of inspiration. I'm so grateful for Mother Mary.

I'm so grate for for our friendship. You know you you really opens up a huge limb for me, not only of just what's possible in my body, but just

even the possibility of dreams. Because it's one thing like when we say we have our own dreams, but it's another to witness it and just down to you, just speak in existence of Whitney and then just how it manifested and just how many conversations you've been a part of because you allowed your voice to be heard, and you also have been a megaphone for so many women just like me. I feel blessed and I'm just beginning,

so we'll see what happens. You know, they say it's not over until it's over, and as long as you listen to it, it ain't over. Um, So Snow, I want to thank you. Thank you for sharing a conversation. Conversation I enjoyed myself. You got me to talk about a lot of stuff. I hope I didn't bore anyone. But this is my journey and here, this is where I'm at. And um, you know, it's been incredible highs

and lows in this journey, but I'm grateful for all. Well, I hope all of you are grateful for this time with Snow and that you walked the way of knowing that you have a ground and it's your duty to shine. You're starting in your movie lights, camera action. This is the man behind the curves, the one that extends the conversation so that it can be received and communicated with all. A person that has still for to say they want to be an example and to be a voice for

the waste less. So not it's just your turn to step up. Make sure that you go ahead and check out the website Modern Curves. Make sure you follow him on social media, Timothy Snell one and um check out the tim tips. Make sure you understand the importance of the shape, the slim, the smooth, get the foundation, because when you've got great foundation, you've got so many things to build upon. And more importantly, the more curves you have,

the more possibility you have. Live a life that's limiteds and make sure it gets you step into the possibility and step into the realm of creating your imagination. Life is for the living, so let's live. I appreciate you, Snail, I love you, and I appreciate each and every one of you that have been tuned in to Vitamin D. And guess what, if you enjoyed this conversation, you gotta check it out on YouTube. Yes, on YouTube where you

can actually see what's going on in the studio. Um. Also, I want to encourage you that if you want some more Vitamin D outside of this, make sure you follow me at Dawn Day Speaks and in the meantime in between time until next time, I want you to always remember that you are your greatest status act mm HM