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How to create your life by design – with Nicoa Cornelius

Jan 30, 202449 minSeason 1Ep. 205
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Have you ever stood at the crossroads of comfort and the unknown, wondering whether to take the leap? Nicoa Cornelius, once a corporate executive, took that jump and rebuilt her life from the ground up, becoming an executive coach and a life architect.

Listen into this episode with me and Nicoa as she not only shares her incredible transformation but also guides us through the principles of designing a life where passion and purpose aren't just buzzwords, but the very foundation of our daily existence.

This episode isn't just about career changes; it's a deeper look into how we can acknowledge our past selves, understand our evolving desires, and navigate the delicate balance between joy and satisfaction in our work.

From the raw lessons of entrepreneurship to the concept of energy leadership, we unpack the essence of personal empowerment. It's an exploration of how a shift in mindset can lead us out of victimhood and into a state of control over our own narratives. Get ready for an honest conversation that might just change how you approach your day-to-day life, with laughter, learnings, and a newfound sense of agency.


MEET NICOA
Nicoa is a seasoned guide helping leaders help themselves create authentic leadership legacies. With a successful career as a Human Resources executive with General Electric, Thermo Fisher Scientific, and Allscripts, spanning 20+ countries she has been there, done that when it comes to employee engagement and leadership development. Fifteen years ago she quit her six-figure job with a stay-at-home husband, three kids 12 years old and under in the middle of an economic downturn with no plan! Yes, a few panic attacks ensued but she knew deep down it was the right thing for her soul. Since then she has excelled as a certified coach, happiness trainer, author, speaker, and most recently as the host of the Coffee With Nicoa podcast. Nicoa brings energetic seasoned perspectives to every interaction. Her clients and audiences gain powerful tools and insights waking them up to new levels of awareness they can immediately apply in their lives.

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Designing Your Life

Speaker 1

Hi and welcome to Untethered with GenList , the podcast that's here to help you break free , be you and unleash your inner brilliance . I'm your host , jed , and in this episode we're going to talk about how to create your life by design . Let's dive in . Hey there , friend , it's Jen .

Welcome back to the podcast for an interview with one of my new favorite people . Nikoa Cornelius is an executive coach , speaker , author and host of the podcast . Coffee with Nikoa .

I've been on her podcast a while back and it was one of the most delightful experiences being in a virtual space with this individual , and then we started following one another on Instagram and freaking , delighted to know her , and I'm so delighted to bring her onto the podcast that you can get to know her too .

So her experience has been that she , 15 years ago , realized that she wasn't creating the life that she desired to live and she wanted to create something different for herself , and you're going to get to hear her entire story and the journey that brought her to where she's at today , and this is such a powerful conversation .

It doesn't matter whether you're working a corporate job currently , whether you're an entrepreneur , whether you want to be an entrepreneur . What she shares is applicable to all of the above , because she's been all of the above and she coaches people . She's an executive leadership coach . She only works with a select group of people .

You might be one who might be somebody who's perfect for what she does , but she really knows how to support people in really creating a life that they truly love to live and how to change that over time . One of the things that we talk about is removing the shame around change . What you loved five years ago , you might not love today .

What you loved yesterday , you might not love today . We change and we get to recognize that the behaviors that we have and the choices that we make craft our life . We're always creating our life by design . So everyone meet Nikola . She's amazing . We were just having this conversation , so behind her is just this beautiful , colorful smorgasbord .

It makes me want to come and hang out in that room because there's so much color and you've got this library . And Nikola was telling me about this library aesthetic that is apparently a thing and how she's the OG of the library aesthetic , because this is the real deal Plaming it but not trying . It's just you are it .

Speaker 2

I am a mess . That's what this is . It's just a messy set of bookshelves . I was remarried after a 25-year marriage and I combined two households about five years ago with my husband and his three kids . So we are the Brady Bunch , and that's what a bookshelf starts looking like when you combine that much of history from two families .

Speaker 1

Well , it's perfect . Anybody can go watch the clips on YouTube or on Instagram so that you can see them . And one of the things that I thought was so interesting when that conversation came up at the very beginning , before we hit record , is that that is what I feel like . Is you ?

You were doing the library aesthetic before you knew it was cool , just because that's you , and you were doing creating a life by design before so many other people came to this realization that they wanted and desired to create a life by design , because that's the thing that you talk about is people creating a life that is truly designed for them , and you've

been doing that for how many years 15 years .

Speaker 2

You know honestly , jen , everybody's doing it all the time . They just aren't doing it intentionally .

Speaker 1

Tell us more about that . So what I ?

Speaker 2

realized was I mean , if you'd asked me ? You know I've been out on my own now for 15 years . But if you'd asked me 20 years ago , well , you know what are you doing , what is your life ? I'd be like . Well , I'm in the corporate world , I'm a human resources executive and you know I continue to change roles and I travel the world .

I've been to over 30 countries . And I'm married , I have a stay at home husband and three kids that you know , three beautiful babies , and you know the white picket fence . I did all that very intentionally .

That was my life by design , and I was somewhat miserable most of the time , not completely , but I was kind of like , wow , I'm exhausted , why am I drinking all this wine and why am I just not quite satisfied enough ? And I think it really hit me once when I was talking to my mom . I was , you know , as good Southern girls do .

I'm from North Carolina and I was having a stressful day at work and I was on my way home and I'd call my mama right , and I'm just whining and complaining and crying and miserable , and I had to stop the car and get out and walk around to talk to her back in the day on my blackberry .

This is how I'm 55 now , so this was back in the day , but you were so cool with your blackberry , I'm sure , oh , I was so cool . I thought I was so cool , yeah , I was very important . I'm miserable whining to my mom , but I had to get out of the car because I couldn't get service and I couldn't go home or my blackberry wouldn't work .

I mean , this was how we were in a mountain out in California and , long story short , I remember looking up into the sky and saying to her I know , I know , mom , but I don't think I was put on this earth to do this . I was put here for some other reason .

It took me another six years before I finally quit my job with that stay at home , husband and three kids 12 years of age and under , with no plan , and walked out and never felt more coherent in my body , so relaxed , and I haven't looked back except seven weeks later . I did have a few panic attacks , but you know we work through it . I survived .

I never miss the mortgage payment and I'm not homeless . So I'm feeling pretty good that you know I made the right decision and now I live . I have lived those 15 years Very intentionally , but not for the same reasons . So purpose there was never a purpose . It was the American dream checklist . It was what everybody told me to do .

So all of a sudden I began to question what is my purpose ? Like what ? Why am I here ? What ? What makes me feel good ? And then it was okay , let's try that I didn't feel , let's try that I don't like that either . Oh , this feels good . Do more that and began to get out ahead of my life and intentionally design it .

And that's where the whole concept of a life by design comes from .

Speaker 1

Yeah , this concept and idea around . Your already designing your life . What are the reasons like ? What are the reasons that are driving your decisions that are creating the design , what are the parameters that you're creating it with ? In ?

Speaker 2

That's huge and where did you get those parameters right off ? And ask my clients what percentage of your life is yours ? You know art that you're living . Are you living your life ? Is it 100% your life , or is it 50% your mother's and 22% your rabbi ?

And you know 18% that one teacher in the fourth grade who told you you couldn't be in science , I don't know Cause we're completely influenced by all the external factors and that's the . That's the hero's journey .

You're supposed to be born knowing you're enough and your brainwashed to do all these things and be quiet and sit still and do all the things that you're supposed to do , be a sweet little southern girl and then all of a sudden it's not working for you and then you go wait a minute and then you start waking up , and most people do this around the age of 40

. And my job is to help everybody realize you don't have to wait till you're 40 to figure this out , and I'm hoping that everybody will listen to this . And my kids are listening and I'm still not sure they hear me , but they seem to be . I'm not sure they're listening , but I think they hear me . That's what I would say .

Speaker 1

I love it . Well , they've got to go on their own journey . I think one of the things that you did there and you likely do very intentionally with your clients you're removing the shame from the journey that we've been on .

Think you only know what you know until the point that you're at , and maybe all of that was meant for you , I believe , to get you to this point where you look around and exactly what you described is what this podcast is all about is looking around and seeing the tethers like what wait , what I just suddenly We've to this web and I don't even know what I

was doing , but it's kind of beautiful in a way , but it's not for me . Right , this is mine .

Speaker 2

Served me until it didn't serve me Right , and that's okay . You can't . You know , you talk about shame and a lot of people are really , really , really , really , really worried about what people think of them . But they're basing that fear , uncertainty and doubt around whether or not they kid .

They can get life right or wrong , at least in the eyes of others , and so when they recognize that you can't get this thing called life wrong , then it's freeing . You are untethered . At that point you want tethered to begin with . That was made up . You were the creator of the tether . It's so true . This is the meta stuff right .

So you're so free now that you have to say , okay , wait a minute , now I'm a little freaked out . I can remember being quite paralyzed after quitting my job and you know you wake up in the bed . You think I could do 52 things right now . I have no idea what to do and you don't get out of bed . I'm paralyzed .

So it takes a while to uncover who that version of you really is , outside of all the identities you were brainwashed to believe you were supposed to have . The cultural influences , the family influences , the societal expectations and the whole American dream checklist was my driver . It's been . It's been an interesting . What do they say ? It's really unknowing .

Speaker 1

It's been an interesting , unknowing . Yeah , it's peeling back the onion to get back down to oh , what is the core of what I care about ? What it appears from the outside in looking at what the life that you have designed and that you're living . You just seem to be having so much fricking fun . Like I'm drawn to you .

I look , I want to look at your Instagram stories . I'm like what the hell she up to today . She's like jumping off of dogs and skinny dipping or whatever . Like you just seem like you're having fun . Has that always been A part of who you are ? Has there been a freeing , like an untethering , of your fun that has happened ? Tell us about that .

Speaker 2

That's a really cool question because I think of course it's always been a part of who I am and I remember when I left the corporate world after 20 years and human resources and Having done that so intensely for so long someone said to me hey , how does that feel you're ? You're no longer in the corporate world and I was like man .

I feel like I'd been living in a state of restraint Because I'd be in those meetings and those of you listening you know what I'm talking about . You're in these meetings and you're thinking that is not what that guy said in the hallway , right ?

Or I just feel like standing up and screaming right now and seeing what everybody would do , but you don't , because you're playing a game and you're playing by the rules and the norms and the expectations . So have I always been this way ? Yeah , I am not restrained . I am not the kind of person who can live in a box . Do I always have fun ?

Absolutely not . Last week I had COVID and I woke up one morning and I had an unexpected charge in my bank account that threw me for a loop in my business account and I was like mad and stressed and miserable . And why am I even doing all that .

I mean , I was just a normal human being , but I know that that was momentarily a way of being because I was under stress and the more you

Navigating Resistance and Self-Discovery in Careers

get to know yourself , the easier it is to allow the emotion of being in stress and reacting and freaking out and flailing around and then you go okay , it's fine , I need to go back to bed . Like I got it all figured out . I transferred that money from over there . Over there , everything is figured out of all and I am going to feel better .

This is not going to last forever , and when I do feel better , oh my God , then I spend a lot of time being so grateful and enjoy of the fact that , wow , look how much better I feel , because that really sucked , but now I feel better and then I just try to live as much of that feel good life as I can until the next bump in the road .

That's just really the whole point , right ? I mean you do that . You talk about wanting to look at my stories . I love your stories Going and hanging out and covered wagons and shit and doing ecstatic dance .

Speaker 1

Covered wagons and shit . I feel like that's my life by design is legitimately covered wagons and ecstatic , dance and shit . That is legitimately my 2024 plan . I called it fuck around and get paid . It's actually at the top of my vision for this year and it's to remind me it's not to be like I mean , maybe it's to be a little bit silly .

It's to remind myself that I get to have fun and the more fun I have , the more money I actually make , because that is a core part of who I am . It's a core part of who you are . Sitting in . Those HR meetings was not serving you . Some people love that kind of structure . That actually is the being that they are .

They love being in a really structured environment . Maybe there's also a question around that , but for the most , there are people who love that and there are people who think , oh , we got to be untethered and we're not happy in those environments . So funny what you said about corporate because I came from entrepreneurship .

Then I was like I'm going to get a real job , I'm going to go be a corporate person , and so where do I end up ? In HR , which is like the hardest place to possibly try to be yourself in a corporate environment to be an employee . Experience HR and I just was miserable .

Speaker 2

It was hard to balance all the hats . I mean , you have to wear the hat of the employee and the hat of the company at all times and that's a really tricky space to be in . It's interesting that you said that . You know , when you said that , about some people really like that structure . I want to be clear .

I really liked the structure in the beginning and I was . I'll give you an example of how I knew I did . Two examples One is I was a substitute teacher between undergrad and grad school in a public school here in Wilmington , north Carolina , and they were going to pay me $35 a day but they probably don't pay you that much more now .

But I went through three days of training and then I was a substitute teacher for one day , and one day only . I was the substitute PE teacher and it felt like I was freaking herding cats all day long and I didn't even know there were . Now . There were now like a six graders in the middle school .

When I was in middle school it was seventh , eighth and ninth At the last period of the day . I couldn't even get these kids to sit still long enough to have the role called and I said you guys , could you just , could you just listen , could you just ? You guys are acting like a bunch of sixth graders . And they said we are sixth graders .

And I went home that night and I remember saying to myself I would rather sit in a boardroom for six hours with no windows than try to be this substitute teacher . So there was a part of me that did not like chaos at all . I could not go with the flow back then . I couldn't relax enough and be that .

I would be the best PE teacher today , I would have so much fun . But I was not that girl and I know why I wasn't that girl . I wasn't that girl because my upbringing albeit fine I mean divorce , et cetera , et cetera but chaotic . So I needed control , to feel in control , to feel safe . So the beginning of my career looked very structured . Very much .

You do this , you do this , you become the next executive . Yay , I've got checklist . American dream , I'm all about it . Well , I remember after having my third kid , I still hadn't quite gotten out of that way of being and I had been home for three weeks . And I remember waking up after the baby was born .

And I remember waking up one morning and going , oh , today's trash day . And then I thought , ooh , no , I don't want to know today's trash day . I want to think today's board meeting day , like my whole identity was so caught up in that very structured . Here's how you succeed , here's your identity , here's who you are . Isn't that interesting ?

I didn't want to be the stay at home mom . I had a stay at home husband . I didn't want to know what day trash day was . But now fast forward again . I'm like I only want to know what day trash day is . I don't care if there's a board meeting . If I have more than two calls in a day , I'm like when am I going to get my nap ?

I mean , this is a completely different way of being . I find it quite fascinating honestly , Jim .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it is fascinating to reflect on those versions of self and again

Finding Joy and Satisfaction in Work

, without the shame , you're doing that so beautifully . You're just like that's who I was then and that's what I needed and that was part of the journey . So you work a lot with corporate executives and people who are navigating their own journey . What is the challenge that you see for most people Is there ?

Are there some common themes that most people tend to be coming up against , and how do you work them through ? What those top themes are ?

Speaker 2

Everybody write the word resistance down and arguing for your limitations . That is the most biggest . The biggest challenge I have with my clients is their resistance to the practices , their resistance to actually peeking through the door . That looks like the version that wants to know about trash day and not board meeting day .

They're terrified , if they go and give themselves permission to worry about trash day , that they'll somehow miss the board meeting and get fired . You see what I mean . It's like I don't know how to do both . So my story is very black and white . I quit the job with no plan at four o'clock on a Monday afternoon in a meeting with my CEO .

That was not what I'm recommending here at all . I left a ton of money on the table , I burnt a bridge , I just ran away and what I would .

What I'm finding that I can help my leaders really uncover is how to integrate knowing about trash day a little bit , knowing about board meetings a little bit , knowing what matters most to them , finding a little fun , even at work , right , getting that best friend at work , finding little ways to integrate a life by design , intentionally , and that will give them

the joy and satisfaction and peace to recognize do I , is this serving me or is it not serving me and do I want to do something different ? Because sometimes they'll come to me and they're like I need to leave . My boss is a jerk , I'm out , I will do that and I'll go , okay .

Well , we can certainly make that happen for you , and we're gonna also figure out how you can love where you are right now , before any of that change occurs . We do it in parallel . Sure , we can work on your resume . We can go look at all those companies you always want to work for .

But right now , every day , you gotta still get up and go into the office . So let's figure out a way to Change the perception of what you're currently experiencing so that you can go ahead now and find the peace and satisfaction , because you and I both know that that's the secret to attracting the life you want .

If you have to feel it now , you have to feel it now , or a dramatic , or , as the astrologers say , a tower moment Will occur and you'll get knocked off your feet , like you'll have a his he fit in a meeting and quit your job , like I did , or you'll get fired , one of the other right , and then your your hand is forced .

But if you're coming to me while you're in the middle of it , then we try to slowly but surely integrate ways for you to find peace in spite of , in spite of your job , and and you learn to stop arguing for your limitations and you relax into what's possible . More practices , the lots and lots of practices . I don't know what . What have you ?

What have you been implementing with your clients that are falling into that category ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , so , and even my own journey is this because I was in a space of not loving my job and I was like I just got to do something . This is not working for me . I used to love it and now I don't . And I couldn't figure out how to get out of it . And a coach told me so I'll be curious , what question you ? You ask your clients .

A coach told me just show up tomorrow and say how can you , how can I have some fun today , like one modicum of fun , like doesn't have to be a lot of fun , but what is this little bit of fun that I can have today ? And like that question changed everything .

It led to a moment that led to a moment that led to a moment that actually led to me going to a new corporate job , doubling my income and then eventually realizing , oh , this , actually this life , isn't for me . So in many ways I think I probably followed your structure . But do you have for somebody who is in that situation like me ?

Like my question was what can I do ? That's a little bit more fun ? Do you have like a little a little ? window that you might be willing to share .

Speaker 2

Yeah , of course I want to share all of it . I want to go to the top of the mountain and make sure everybody's getting every single piece of information that I've ever learned as I have trained myself to be a really powerful , effective coach . And the very first question I usually ask somebody is what is it that you really want ? Guess what ?

Most people can't answer the question , and so that's that's like an epiphany for them . Oh , I don't even know what . I don't what I want , like I don't even know . So we spend a little bit of time around that question and then I also .

Then I'll back them up , because if they can't answer that quite yet , then I'll back them up into the dynamic that they're in and we'll start with this question what are you making it mean That'll take five sessions ? My gosh , I mean we spend all this time . What are you making it mean ?

What did you make it mean when your boss didn't schedule your performance review in a timely manner ? What did you make it mean when you didn't get that promotion ? And then we did deep . We go to why , why , why did you make it mean that we do root cause analysis ? These are very .

I come from manufacturing , originally at GE and when I worked in gas turbine manufacturing and GE nuclear , ge wind energy , all the energy businesses . You know .

Manufacturing is my favorite part Because when something went wrong , we did a root cause analysis , right , or if somebody almost got hurt or something almost happened , we caught it in near miss and I took these concepts and I started applying them to self awareness and that way of being and that way of living . What was I making that mean ?

What were the mistakes that we made ? What were the lessons learned ? You know , what does that tell us ? What's the root here ? What is this telling us ? And we're really my interview I did yesterday with Lori Pine , the joy CEO . She talked about getting a coach and having an archeological big .

She was like that's exactly what it is right An archeological big into who you are and why you behave the way you behave .

Speaker 1

Because it's courage .

Speaker 2

It is . It takes a lot of courage . So back to my first answer to your question resistance and arguing for your limitations . Well , I can't sit still . I'm not going to be able to do that meditation thing you talked about . So like , okay , next ,

Slow Down, Make Choices

not next client , but next we'll try something else . But I always come back to it . Let's talk about sitting still again . Oh , here's one practice . I think this one has been really profound and it's so simple and weird . Everybody's like what are you talking about ? But they can't not try it , they can't not notice it when they go back to work .

So I know not everybody is in an office right now , but if you can try this one practice , even if you're getting up from your desk and walking to your bathroom in your house , I want you to walk 50% slower than you usually would .

Speaker 1

I'm even just imagining myself doing this and can feel resistance .

Speaker 2

Exactly Now for me . If you were telling me that , I might joke and say , oh my God , I pealered myself by the time I got there . But what does that tell me ?

My energy , my way of being , how my body moves , if I can be conscious enough to slow down how I'm walking , then I can be conscious enough to slow anything down and then get into a space of choice for my way of being , to more effectively interact .

When the boss forgets to do something that I really wanted or doesn't show up for me the way I wish they would , then I'm slowed down enough to be at choice . It's just mindful awareness , and people are so busy being like the ball and the pinball machine , just getting paddled around , that they're not living a life by design , they're living by default , right ?

So I want you to be the paddles . I want you to know oh , I'm going to move myself over here , I'm going to get into that hole over there in the pinball machine . I'm going to do my best to go up here and get the hundred points , because it is a game .

But you're never going to win the game or attract what you truly desire , your deepest heart's desires , until you slow it down . And , as Jen would say , take a big old deep breath , right , let's get that breath work going . And then ask yourself what do I want ? How's what I'm doing ? Get him into what I want .

If I'm not getting what I want , am I willing to try a different way ?

Speaker 1

This is so powerful Thinking I think everybody's gonna .

You know , anybody who just listened to that is gonna go try that exercise because you can't not , like you said you can't not , and where I think I can feel the resistance in my body to that idea of slowing down like that , which is where I think breathwork comes in for me , because when we start to feel those resistant moments , that's when your nervous system

is like this is not okay , you're doing something weird , and so then we can breathe through those moments just to kind of loop that full circle , because our breath comes into these practices , because it supports our nervous system in so many ways , as does meditation and such . But , niko , this reminded me when I was in college .

I was in sociology class and they the teacher , said do some kind of social experiment , whatever you want to do , some kind of social experiment where you can observe yourself and your discomfort and the world around you . When I chose to do my best , friend and I got in a car and I said I'm going to drive 17 miles per hour down the street .

That is normally . People are going 45 . And we just so . We talk about this all the time , this idea of driving 17 miles per hour because we got honked at . People were so angry , we were so nervous and uncomfortable and then eventually we started laughing .

We could not stop laughing at how mad everybody was around us , which it makes me think of this idea of if you walked 50% slower to the bathroom , people might everybody's in a hurry , everybody is that pinball and they're going so fast and they might be looking at you like what is happening .

But when you can pass that threshold of not caring about everybody looking at you and the pinball that they're all in and become that person who's just kind of like enjoying and laughing , there's such a shift that happens in that moment .

Speaker 2

It's a major shift . And yet I can even still see people you know my clients saying to me but what if I like to walk fast , nikola ? And I said , then walk fast . That's not the point . The point is for you to be a choice . You know , are you choosing to walk fast ? Great , Walk fast . I don't care , it's not , you can't get it wrong .

The question is , are you truly at choice ? And how can you foster enough space like your word of the year that will create the ability to be a choice ? And you can't do that until you relax the body and slow down . And slowing down speeds up your effectiveness . So that's kind of the there's a trick there . But no , I can't slow down , I don't have time .

I'm like , make time . You know what do they say if you , if you don't have time to meditate , meditate twice as longer . You know , for an hour , then meditate for two . So it's really powerful , isn't it ? I remember walking up the street I had just taken one of the kids to school .

This must have been after I'd quit , because I was walking them to school that morning . And I'm walking back to the house and I'm zooming along you know , walking fast and this guy is walking down the hill . I mean he's moseying , I mean really like I pass him , I see him coming .

He's walking so slow and I see him coming and I literally say to him oh my God , I wish I could walk as slow as you , because even my husband I've seen him get out . I can see the driveway from my window here in my office . I've seen him get out of the car . He moseied around the car and got something out of the back of it .

I thought I'd be in the house already , in the bathroom . So I still recognize that I don't master that yet . I'm still . I'm a work in progress , but I know that's the trick .

So I know that's the practice to get me back into my body , grounded and able to look at what's possible without any kind of resistance or perceiving that I don't have enough time and I'm arguing for my limitations .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I think some of the best coaches are people who get it . You understand it , you've been through it and you're living it daily and it's coming back up for you , that reminder to slow down , which is likely a huge part of what makes you such an amazing coach , on top of all of the other things that make you amazing at what you do .

So can you remember back to those , like early days of having left , because people do end

Lessons Learned From Business Challenges

up in this situation of , okay , I've decided to leave the job and now I'm panicking , and do you work your clients through that period ? What would you suggest to somebody who might be in that state ? Because we talked about the people who are in corporate , still in the job and the things that they could be doing to support themselves .

What about the person who's already left and now they're listening to this podcast and they're like shit , I already left , I didn't find the joy in the job , and now I'm like here and I'm panicking .

Speaker 2

Well , first of all , I would say to them it's going to be okay . It's going to be okay . First of all , just , everybody , just take a breath , it's going to be okay . And you are going to panic and it's normal , and just keep coming back right to why you're doing it .

Now I'll give you a couple of things that occurred for me and my previous husband when I decided to come home and interrupt his world of , you know , being the stay at home . Dad . Right , I can remember we were about seven weeks out from the quit . We called it the quit , thank you . Seven weeks out from the quit .

We're sitting on the front porch and he decides that he's talking about us joining this club for the kids for the summer , and I mean this was like it wasn't even that expensive . You know , I know everything's relative , but it was like you could join the university club at NC State and let the kids go use the pool for like a thousand bucks .

I mean it was really inexpensive . You get access to this club the whole year and I had woke . I awoke that morning panicking about money . Now let me be clear . I was an executive . I had a one year severance agreement that I just was able to say I'm out and they hand me a year salary . So lucky you know , lucky me .

But it doesn't matter that I was lucky because I felt like I was living paycheck to paycheck which I wasn't but I believed I was and that I only had a year to recreate a significant income , a significant income .

So when my ex had been said I think we should pay a thousand dollars and join the club , I was like I think you need to be as panicked as I am . I literally said these words I think you need to be as panicked as I am that we don't have any income coming in right now and that I've got to figure out how to make money .

And he looked at me and I remember , thinking in retrospect , how unfortunate that stress reaction was and I was so sad about it . But it happened . And he just looked at me . He said , like I said the hour earlier , is gonna be okay , it's gonna be okay .

And one of those experiences is it's gonna be a hundred of them , you're gonna have them and don't be an idiot . I mean like , don't go keep living the same lifestyle that you were living if you don't have income and start being very methodical and intentional and designing what happens next . Now , here was the biggest mistake I made .

I designed a whole bunch of stuff with the foundation of the fear that I needed to recreate the same income in the first year . So all I could think was multiple revenue streams , multiple , okay . So I started my coaching business . Okay , great , I can also be a consultant . Let me write that on the website . Yep , I can do that . I should be a speaker .

Put those in there . Get the speaker profile ready . That I was like . I met some amazing women who wanted to do coaching as a benefit to corporations . That's a great idea to let's start that company . So we started the company . We were in business for four years .

We took that company from cradle to grave and the reason we took it to the grave after having clients like bank of america and like he martin and we had 30 contract coaches across the globe Was because I had recreated the same circus under a different tent . I began to dread my CEO of my new company when she text me .

I did have an apple and I found at this point I just said apple , that's how ? Hold you know , I did have an iPhone and I remember thinking I don't want to answer that . Oh my god , what's wrong ? And these were great signs .

I'm sharing the story because the signs you had it at the big job that you quit , those same signs will show up again if you don't do the work . It wasn't about my job , it was about me . And here I was . I created the same circus under a different tent and I was miserable again , drinking too much wine and dreading going to work .

So I had to do it again . We close the business , we celebrate . We had a big party and we talked about how that was . When I cried to my father that I had failed . Oh my god , we had to close . The baby said how many years did you have that business ? And I was like four years . How much money ? Just like over fifty thousand dollars of my savings .

And he said how much does an NBA cost ? I said , oh , I don't know . Fifty thousand dollars more than that now probably more than that now and he goes you just had a real life in the a Jock it up , move along . I was like , oh my god that that turned my life around , because I was like , look at me , I'm failing , so I get it .

Guys , you're gonna feel that way about it's not working . I mean the . I've been in business for almost sixteen years on my own and that one tax charge that I got last week almost three off my life , what so ?

You're still gonna have bumps in the road , but you're gonna be able to handle them so much better if you keep having fun right and realizing why am I doing this ? What is the benefit of this life by design to me ? What was the cost of the previous life to me ? Can I come back to why this matters ?

You know the purpose and is there and as I once , in tears , hugging on my ex husband , miserable , fearful , uncertain , doubtful I said what am I gonna do ? Any said you just gonna keep getting up every day and you're gonna keep doing the work . Just keep going . That's my advice . Keep going , because before you know it , your fifty five , you like wish it .

Only gotta do this ten more years . I'm doing fine .

Speaker 1

Just keep swimming .

Speaker 2

You'll get clients . They come and they only come like you said . I mean , I get more work when I'm on vacation than I do when I'm thinking about work and trying to find clients . I , just when I let it all go , I'll get like three inquiries and I'm like , oh , there they are , there's those clients . Yeah , they were coming .

Speaker 1

Yeah , the frantic , that frantic energy doesn't generate . It's not gonna generate the clients that you want and love . It's going to generate people who are frantic . You know it's going to generate . What we put out is what we get , and so we get to see that in real time as entrepreneurs .

It's a little more difficult to see that , I think , sometimes in a corporate environment or in a big team environment , when it's just you , it's you , you see everything that's a big mirror in front of you .

Speaker 2

That's right . I mean this like energy attracting , like energy , the more again back to being relaxed , not resisting . What is , I think , the is ? This Is what throws us off of our path and we get really scared .

So you , you may not see it as much from a business perspective when you're in the working world or in an organization , but you'll see it with your relationships in the organization . So if you're frantic and you're running to the bathroom , the people around you will also be frantic and pick up their pace right .

So if you want to be the calm , charismatic leader that Rights the ship and keeps people focused and feel seen and connected , and you have to embody that now In order to attract more of what you want to see at , that's the work . I invite you to just do the work , keep doing the work , keep doing the work . It'll get easier and easier and more fulfilling .

And I don't even know if I made my final point of being having covered last week , but I found myself so slowed down that I thought , hey , maybe this is the universe showing me what is actually actually possible , because I no longer want to go to the ecstatic dance class , I no longer need to go Hang out in the covered wagon .

I mean you're having a blast . I would really rather read half of these books that are half red , finished reading the books that are half red on the shelf and sit in the corner and just rest , and that's what I was forced to do with covid , and now I'm like I can still do that .

I want to work as little as possible , jen , and make as much money as possible , and I think it's happening , starting to happen more and more and more

Energy Leadership and Personal Empowerment

Amazing .

Speaker 1

Well , I'm glad that you're feeling better and that you recovered , and that you gained a lesson for yourself along the way . That's .

Speaker 2

That's really cool isn't there always a lesson ? Oh my gosh .

Speaker 1

There's always less .

When we can see that too , I think what's cool , something super cool your dad , what he said to you in that moment completely the way that our perspective can completely change by a single thought , his reframing of that thought for you around you just got an MBA , your entire body relaxed that's yeah Huge and so indicative of the power of Our thoughts and the

belief that is a type that is tied to that thought .

Speaker 2

Yeah , my entire foundational coaching methodology is based on a concept called energy leadership and that's exactly what you just said . So it's about an attitudinal perspective of life . It's a consciousness model that says , hey , what am I making this mean ? Oh , makes so much sense if I made it mean I had failed .

If my thought was , if I failed , the emotion was shame , and then the behavior was I just feel apathetic , I don't know what to do next . I just gonna go curl up in the corner . Well , of course I felt that way . If that was my thought and my father was offering up a new thought what's a new way to look at this ?

And we moved to Away from a catabolic energetic state of misery and victim hood or fighting fighter hood , you know , to a state of Huh , visionary , when , when , possibility , self care , right , caregiver , rationalizer . And that's the concept of energy leadership and I highly recommend it . The book is called energy leadership .

It's a little story to actually highlight the concepts of seven levels of energy and it's an attitudinal assessment . So it's subjective , which means we can change . It's not a personality assessment . It doesn't say this is how you are , just who you are For me .

With my clients , I'm able to say , okay , well , this is how you have been raised to believe the world is . What would you like to make the world mean for you ? Right powers , power shit up , yeah . And then when they realize that it's not about them , it's about their thought , guess what , if I observe myself long enough , I can change my thought .

You may have the immediate reaction , the original stress reaction , that says , oh my God , I failed , I lost my business , or it's that you recover quickly so you can go Okay . Well , yeah , of course I felt that way . Now it's a new day , every day is a new , fresh start . So what am I going to make it mean today ? Love my dad's advice .

So now I tell that story all the time . Yeah , I didn't lose 50 grand . I invested in , gained insight and awareness in an education that is priceless .

Speaker 1

Yeah , and the energy that you then operated from , from that shift in your belief and your thought , so huge . Thank you for giving us a little peek into that , nikola . I have one final question for you when do you see the magic in the world ?

Speaker 2

Oh , in me , oh , it's in me . I have the powerful wand and my words are my wand , right and and anything that I tell myself becomes my reality . I am a magical being , and so are you , and I see me in you .

And that , once you embrace that reality of connection and , by the way , that's my word for the connection Once you embrace it and embody it , you just are empowered .

You can either recognize that you , once you recognize that you're the common denominator in your life , you can either see that as the most annoying thing that you've ever figured out , or you can recognize that it's the most liberating thing . And that's where I think the magic lies .

Once we , we can see that , then we're powerful and it becomes our superpower In the 89th person I've asked that question to .

Speaker 1

you were the first person to say in me .

Speaker 2

Oh well , I think it's the truth y'all . You should write that down .

Speaker 1

I wrote it down .

Speaker 2

But my and also I was smiling ear to ear .

Speaker 1

You should have seen I was like the Grinch , with just like huge smile , like that's , just like yes , yes , that's where the power is . Yes , oh , so beautiful . Okay , people are going to want to work with you . Where can they find you ?

Speaker 2

I would love to work with everybody and I only have so many spaces available every year , so the best way to reach out to me there's a couple ways . So if you want executive coaching , which is my specialty , and you come from a world similar to the ones I've been in or that Jen's been in , then I invite you to my referral website , which is nicoacoach .

Yes , you can make the ending dot coach now . Isn't that cool ? Nicoa dot coach is the website and you'll find testimonials there , video testimonials from some of my clients .

I also happen to do rapid transformational therapy work , which is hypnotherapy , and we go down and we really get into the subconscious those big blocks that are preventing you from having that confidence to be successful in your career or out on your own , so you'll see a testimonial there .

You can listen to my podcast , which you and I are podcast buddies , right , so go listen to Jim's interview at Coffee with Nicoa on all podcast platforms . I also have e-courses available on Udemy and you can get access to all of this on my social media link tree via Instagram , at Coffee with Nicoa .

And I do want to put in a plug for a book I just launched , which is now on Amazon and it's called my Life by Design Journal and it is available . It's a little bit back ordered because it's on demand printing , but go to Amazon , order your my Life by Design Journal . And it's not just a canva journal , you guys .

This is real strategic self care and self observation prompts for you to then journal about for your own well-being , to help you really get to come back to the magic of you , so that you can live your life by design the kind you don't need a vacation from .

Speaker 1

Powerful . All of the links are in the show notes . We'll include them all there , so if anybody wants to go and check it out , it's available . Congratulations on launching the book and can't wait to see where your next step in your life by design .

Speaker 2

I'm just so glad you're on the journey with me , Jen . I'm so honored to be on your podcast . You're amazing and I think we're going to have a lot more fun together in the future .

Speaker 1

Yep , let's have this conversation at least once a year .

Speaker 2

Yes , it's a date .

Speaker 1

Thank you .

Speaker 2

Thank you , dear , love you .

Speaker 1

Oh , my goodness , I just know that you love her as much as I love her . Because how can you not ? I do hope you took some things away from yourself and that you go and try that exercise that Nikkoa suggested of . Can you walk 50% slower to the bathroom and , as you do it , notice , notice the reaction in your body , notice the thoughts that are happening .

Just stop and notice . Well , don't stop . Walk 50% slower , with awareness of what is happening inside of you as you do that . You can also try my 17 mile per hour experiment if you want to get a good laugh and make yourself really uncomfortable , and probably a lot of other people , except here in Portland , where people regularly drive that slow .

That's actually normal . So good thing . I prepared myself many years ago for that experience . All right , thank you so much for listening to this episode . If you did get something out of this that you would really love to share forward with a friend or with your social media , you're welcome to please do that .

You can tag me in the world to me if you share this episode . You can always take a little screenshot of the episode itself . You can tag me on Instagram . I'm untethered Jen . You can tag Nikkoa . Her Instagram is in the show notes . Go and follow her . She is going to delight you all the time . Thank you so much once again for listening .

You just keep shining your magical unicorn light out there for all to see . Thanks for watching . See you next time . Bye .

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