How to Overcome Doubts and Doubters with Kara Goldin, Founder of Hint Water

Danielle Cobo  0:05  
Hey, beautiful. Welcome to dream job with Danielle Cobo podcast. I am Danielle Cobo, elite career coach, and I believe every woman has the power to step into their dream job, earn the salary they are worth, and live the life they desire. Each week you join me, you're going to hear from these inspiring women who have overcome adversity and leveled up their career. You're going to learn how to eliminate that inner critic that is holding you back from pursuing your dream. How to build confidence, create healthy boundaries to transition burnout to re energize and gain clarity on how to accelerate your career. It's never too late to pursue your dream job. The time is now. Are you ready? Hey, everyone. Welcome to another episode of dream job with Danielle Cobo. I am your host Danielle Cobo and I have another incredible guest a powerful woman. I have Kara golden as our guest and she is the founder and CEO of hint, Incorporated best known for its award winning hit water and the leading unsweetened flavored water. She has received numerous accolades including being named Entrepreneur of the Year in 2017 in Northern California, and one of in sales. 2019 badass 50. Previously care was the VP of shopping partnerships at American online and she hosts the podcast, the Kara golden show, her first book, undaunted, overcoming doubts and doubters was released in October 2020. And is now a Wall Street Journal. And Amazon bestseller. Carol is in the Bay Area with her family. She is a mother and she is an incredible woman. And I'm so excited for her to be joining us today. Thank you so much.

Kara Goldin  2:02  
Thanks for having me.

Danielle Cobo  2:06  
Absolutely, you have had such an incredible career and really working in corporate America and then building this phenomenal company, which I'm a huge fan of. I'm very gracious Kara sent me some water and some hand sanitizer. And my favorite just so you guys know, she's got lots of flavors, but my absolute favorite, favorite is the cherry flavor. So tell me a little bit and our listeners about your career journey.

Kara Goldin  2:34  
Yeah, well, I never knew that I would eventually become a beverage executive, or an entrepreneur for that matter. I started out my career in publishing, I wanted to be on the editorial side never made it there. I was on the circulation side, working in New York City. At Time Magazine initially, I then went was recruited out of Time magazine to work for a, I think what would be termed today as a late stage startup called CNN and was working at CNN. Prior to it really becoming what it is today. It was definitely a 24 hour news channel. But it was probably an only 40% of households at the time when I was there. Ted Turner was still running around the office saying everyone needs 24 hour news and Sundays we believed on Sundays, we were like, I don't know if this thing is going to make it or not. So it's really fun to look back and kind of connect the dots there. I moved to Silicon Valley with my then fiance, now husband of almost 26 years now we moved to the Bay Area. And that's when one of the companies that I had followed actually, since I was in college, when I bought my first computer was a company called Apple and I had kind of been, you know, fanning over the sky Steve Jobs and really had thought if I could ever get a job at Apple, that would be so cool. But I was living in San Francisco knew that Apple was over an hour away, didn't want to commute all the way down to that part of Silicon Valley. And so I stumbled upon a little startup that had spun out of apple that was a Steve Jobs idea that was doing CD ROM shopping. And I was very interested in it because I had always believed that the Internet would become much more interesting to me if it had more graphics on it. It was a lot very text based at the time. And so they were creating something that was kind of the bridge for for online shopping and being able to have things like clothing companies like not only J Crew or LL Bean but also one 800 flowers and so little did I know when I figured out a way to get in the door and, and have an informational interview, that I would be offered a job to basically run all of their business development. It was literally five guys in an office, not in a garage. But I just thought, what's the worst that can happen, I ended up leaving, and going and doing something and publishing or an hour and television. But I was just having a lot of fun. And I was really intrigued and interested about everything that I was learning. We were acquired in after working there for about a year and a half, we were acquired by America Online, you mentioned that and I was invited to run the E commerce and shopping partnerships at America Online. From zero, there was basically just the early days of shopping still kind of trying to figure out how to make it a little bit more interesting for not only the male consumer, but bringing the female consumer in and so was kind of like Right Place Right Time, I was asked to run this group, we didn't even have a budget or goal in place, because nobody really thought that online shopping was going to happen. This is in the mid 90s. And after, you know, just trying and and figuring out how to make it work and having an incredible team, it ended up being a billion dollars in revenue to AOL after seven years. That's when I decided to leave and and take a break, I had a you and I were talking before we came on. I have four kids, I had a couple of kids at the time and and really wanted to spend some time with them. And that's when I really started looking at my own health, I've gained a bunch of weight over the course of having kids that I couldn't lose, I had been an athlete growing up and really had thought that I knew how to stay healthy, but nothing was working. And one day when I was really looking at my what I was feeding my kids, and that's when I started looking at sweeteners. And it wasn't just about sugar. For me it was more about these diet sweeteners. And where was I getting the biggest intake of diet sweeteners from my diet coke, so I was drinking anywhere from eight to 12 cans a day not really thinking I was doing anything wrong. I know. Right? And, and people always asked me like, didn't you know, I mean, you'd have like a 12 pack? And no, I mean, I would go to Circle K and I would fill up I mean, it was part there was like a routine that went on and, and it was mostly the fountain sodas, and I would leave part of it in the car and dump bed or whatever. And I you know, continue getting more and more. But after a while, I started to get really bad stomach aches, I would get headaches if I didn't have it. And so I really started to think about cautious there's something that I can be doing that can actually better me in some way. And I kept looking for that secret. But what I never really realized until I tried it was maybe it's actually eliminating something that I'm doing rather than trying to exercise more or, you know, eat more protein or whatever it is. And I was just testing, I didn't really think that it was necessarily going to work. But I gave it a try. And that's when, after two and a half weeks of giving up my diet coke, which wasn't easy, by the way. I mean, though, I would imagine that's not an easy task where you're drinking eight to 12 cans a day. And I had been drinking it since I was 14, I was a gymnast and a runner, and I used to you know, drink Diet Coke. Like there was no problem. And so I gave it up. And two and a half weeks later, I lost over 20 pounds. So and I mean it was insane that I was like how can this be? I mean, I actually wondered if I was sick at this point because I was losing so much weight so fast. But what I realized as I started to look into it more was that these diet sweeteners, or actually changing not only changing my metabolism, but causing me to actually produce insulin in my body. And so with that, it just it was this crazy cycle of, you know, producing insulin I was holding on to weight typically around my belly. It was just really the damage that it was doing internally. I just have no idea and I really started to notice that I I had an issue when, you know, the stomach issues came on the headache issues came on. But then my skin I started developing really bad adult acne that I had never even had as a kid. And so that now I think back on, you know, those clues, as my body was just, you know, really calling out for help, and I having kids and paying attention more to you know, what I was putting in their bodies maybe helped. But again, I was a tech executive, I had no idea what I was doing. I mean, I was always thought I was healthy. I wasn't really a cook, or chef. I mean, what did I know about creating a beverage, but what I figured out was that the alternatives to these diet sodas were flavored waters that all had sweeteners in them, most of them had sugar, but some of them had various diet sweeteners, like, you know, saffron, or sucralose or NutraSweet. And Splenda was another one. And so I thought, what I really need is something that just flavors water, enough where it's interesting, that's all I need. And I was never, even though I drink Diet Coke, I was never really a bubble person. Like I thought if I'm really going to drink lots per day, somewhere along the way, people told me I should have at least eight glasses of water a day, I felt like if I was drinking carbonated water, it would just I'd feel really bloated. And instead, I, I wanted to drink more water. So I never really thought there was anything wrong with the carbonation. But for me, it was really about, I want to keep drinking lots of water and stay hydrated, I noticed my skin had cleared up, my stomach issues had cleared up just by making this one tiny little change. And so just making my own creation in my kitchen one day, I said, I'm going to take this product to Whole Foods, brand new store that just opened in San Francisco and and see if I can get it on the shelf, I never really thought okay, I'm going to create a beverage company, I'm going to create a new category, which is what we did or take on, you know, big sugar diet sweeteners or big soda. Instead, I just thought, you know, what I'm going to do is actually do something for myself, that helps me drink water. And I think it could actually help a lot of other people too. So today, hint is the largest non alcoholic beverage company in the US that doesn't have a relationship with big soda. And, you know, we've grown from nothing to a quarter of a billion dollar company today and available not just in stores, but also online at drinkin calm, and Amazon etc. And I think probably the the thing that really gets me most excited about hint is that I hear from consumers over and over again, that it's actually helped them do something that they thought was impossible. When it gives them hope we hear from cancer patients that's helped them get through chemo chemo treatments, we've heard from people who are dealing with weight issues or diabetes. And again, it's just water with just a little bit of interest in it and flavors that are you know, lots of fun, lots of different flavors that you mentioned earlier. But I'm very, very proud to to be able to say that I developed something in my kitchen that became something that people really enjoy.

Danielle Cobo  14:01  
Yeah, I mean that there's a lot out there, but there's not a lot out there where you know, I I've always struggled with drinking water. It's never been something that I'm you know, I know that I do a lot of workshops on work life balance and the importance of taking care of your body and fueling your body. And you know, there's this kind of guide where you're, you're supposed to be drinking about half your body weight in ounces. So that's a lot of water that you should be drinking and it's you know, when it's just water, it can be pretty plain to get through. And so one of the things I really loved about your water is it tastes delicious. And it's it's healthy for you. It's not filled with a lot of those sweeteners out there, which just like you as a mother, I really started paying attention to when I was deciding what to put in my kids bodies and I'm like if I'm going to be paying this much attention to them. I should also be taking, you know paying attention to myself as well.

Kara Goldin  15:00  
Yeah, and I think it, frankly, I think it's common for particularly women and mothers that you know, just looking at, you don't you don't take as care as great care of yourself. And for me, the wake up call was really looking at my family and paying a lot of attention and not really practicing what I was preaching. And so it was, it was something that I don't think anybody woke me up to it or said, hey, you know, what are you talking about for them, and you're not really doing the same thing it was, I feel like it was kind of a gift to meet to be able to realize that this is what I should do to not only make myself healthier, but also help others too.

Danielle Cobo  15:45  
Yes. So your book, undaunted, overcoming doubts and doubters. And as I said it, so Wall Street Journal bestseller, Amazon bestseller? It's been out for over a year, tell us a little bit, what does it mean to be undaunted?

Kara Goldin  16:02  
Well, I think for me, when I started hands, as I alluded to, I didn't know I was going to become an entrepreneur, I had worked for some incredible entrepreneurs over the years, including, you know, ultimately, Ted Turner at CNN and, and Steve Case at AOL. And kind of indirectly, I guess, in some ways for Steve Jobs, although I never worked with Steve at all. But I felt like, I never thought that that was like a training ground for me to go and start my own thing. But I think I feel really fortunate to have worked for people like that, because they're just real people trying to solve problems, they saw a problem. And they were each way ahead of where the rest of consumers were. And they decided to take that risk, use their tenacity and their creativity, build the team to go out and try, they were clearly not positive at times that it was going to actually work. But they thought if they can keep getting traction along the way, and I think that that is the thing that I think is really missing from so many people who maybe want to go start a company, but don't have the guts or don't have the courage, or the fearlessness, which is what I've been called for years, I think if you are able to work for somebody who's actually doing exactly what you want to do, you're able to see that they're just normal people, they're just willing to just go try, and they're all also willing to fail. And I think that that's something that a lot of people feel like they would be embarrassed by, or maybe they're not going to be able to do that and in a way that that, you know, maybe matches with what they've been able to accomplish today. And I think that that's the toughest thing. I think for people, especially successful people who have gone out and worked inside corporations been the number one and you know, their division or whatever. And then suddenly, they think, Oh, I've got to start from scratch from nothing, and figure out how to create a product, figure out how to distribute a product. If you're thinking about starting a beverage company, which is what we did in our case, I had no idea that I was creating a new category, until probably two months into actually launching the product when none of the buyers would actually put it on the shelf because we didn't match their planogram. And what they were really looking for. So when when you're trying to move forward and get traction, and then some days, you end up going backwards. It's frustrating, right? And you have to figure out how do I get back up again? How do I brush myself off? And keep moving forward in a way that, you know, really makes sense. And I think that that's something that I've always thought about is you just have to remain undaunted, and you have to figure out how do you break down those walls that are sitting in front of you that maybe at at times get so high that you just don't even know how to, you know, get over them or get around them, but you have to figure it out. And so I think through sharing my story, that is the best way to show people that if I can do it, you can do it too. You have to set your mind to it. And you have to figure out how to, you know, recognize the successes along the way. Know that you're going to have failures, know that you're going to have challenges know that you're going to learn a lot of lessons along the way and make mistakes along the way. But the only way to actually alter We get successful achieve your goals is to have those moments and I, I really, really believe that and I've seen that and so many people that are successful today.

Danielle Cobo  20:14  
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Kara Goldin  22:49  
Thank you Well, and, and I really do believe that over the years that it's in sharing those stories, first with, you know, friends and employees, as well as entrepreneurs, students, when I've been out speaking, I think that that's when I started to get emails after events, saying, you know, you really helped me with this hard issue. Oftentimes, they weren't beverage executives, or even food executives, they weren't changing careers from going from tech to, you know, the consumer products industry, in the food and beverage industry. They were just people that were going through some hard challenges. And just through hearing my story, they related. And that's what I figured out that if I could share more of these stories, ultimately, that's why I decided to write a book was I had taken my notes after each of these events. And I started jotting down notes. Like if I had to answer something a different way, when people had asked me questions, how else could I have answered that? And and so over the course of about four years, that ended up to be about 600 pages. And so as I was sharing some of these stories, I one day, I just decided, you know, there's a lot of people that are not inside of corporations where I might be speaking or at conferences, and instead, maybe they're on social media, following me, but maybe they're not maybe they don't know I exist. And I thought if I could put this together in a book, and really help people, maybe while they're developing their own company, or maybe they've just had a failure, maybe they just don't even know how to get out of the gate and they're really just trying to figure something out that I've been through. I could help a lot of people just by sharing my story since that was my main purpose for writing on Donta was just to really help people, which is, frankly no different than why I started hint. I mean, I never started him because I thought, oh, gosh, I want to be the next vitamin water or Red Bull. For me, it was really around a mission to help people just how I had been helped just by having a drink like Kinte.

Danielle Cobo  25:22  
Yeah, that's, and it's a powerful book, because in you know, you talk about your career journey, you talk about your creative ways of getting your first job, and some of those things along those lines. And then, like you said, starting your business and where you're at today, and some of the bumps you've had in the, throughout that process. Now, you're speaking a lot, you're, you're speaking all over the world right now. And this is really becoming something I can tell you're passionate about. And you've been speaking to leadership. And specifically, over the course of the two years, it's been a lot of changes. And you can relate to not only trying to juggle running a business and being a mom, also leading a team through this uncertainty of how we're going to do you know, manufacturing, while working remotely and things like that. So tell us a little bit of how you've adapted through this journey through the pandemic, and how that reflects your leadership style.

Kara Goldin  26:23  
Yeah, well, I think first of all, my kids are a little bit older now. So when I first started hint, I mean, I had little ones like you, you know, that was definitely challenging. But I think I never been through a pandemic had been through other challenging times, for sure. Not only did I have four kids under the age of six, when I started hint, but also, you know, went through times of trying to figure out exactly how do I break into this industry. I come from an industry tech, which wasn't very dominated by females. So I mean, it's not too much different in the beverage industry. But more than anything, just trying to figure stuff out, I felt like being an outsider, there were so many people that wouldn't even give me the time of day because they just immediately discounted me because they didn't have experience in the industry. Maybe you can, anybody who's listening can relate to that, that maybe you have an interest in doing something, but you just don't really have that experience. And you start trying to figure out who can kind of help you think about it. They're like, she's never gonna do that. I mean, there's just no way. But I think more than anything, what I found was that if I just kept if I if I just kept figuring out how to make some progress along the way, and also take breaks along the way. I mean, as I was trying to manage my kids, while I'm running a business early on, I had babysitter's that were helpful for me, especially when I needed to focus on some stuff or had meetings. But I think I knew that I couldn't do everything, right, that there were maybe it was going to take me a little bit longer at certain points along the way. But I thought that it was really, really important for me to, to be able to have some kind of sanity along the way too. So and I just mentioned that because I think so many people, especially women who have been trying to work and trying to have a family and have it all, you know, I realized for myself that it is hard to have it all right, you there are days when you have to put more focus on one thing or the other. If your kids are sick, for example, or, you know, whatever that is that you have to be able to take a break along the way. And I think when COVID hit when so many of our employees had families, we're trying to figure out exactly what to do. We have been a much of our team had been remote. So over half of our 250 people were remote anyway because there were sales people that were throughout the country, but they had differing issues, right? There were different state issues where there were lockdowns in certain states, not in other states, but everybody was trying to keep their family healthy, trying to keep themselves healthy. And we were we're running a company and these people are working for a company that is a water company where we've got to stock the shelves with water and make sure that the supply we also have other issues. We're an FDA regulated company too. So there's different you know, manufacturing, issues there that maybe other food and water companies don't deal with because they don't have fruit in their products, so they're not dealing with that. So, again, none of this was stuff that we had actually dealt with before. But instead, I was willing to roll up my sleeves and figure it out. And while I couldn't actually relate to having children during a pandemic, before young children, I should say, what I could relate to was that, we all have to just keep figuring out how to move forward, the best we can, and there's going to be different stresses along the way. And you know, more than anything, I think that you have to raise your hand when things are getting really hard and tell people more than anything. So I think the biggest lesson that I feel like I learned early on was that we couldn't group people into maybe, like, this is the supply chain group versus this is the sales group, because people were all trying to deal with having different issues and at home versus work. And we had to look at the individual and figure out exactly what it was, and how could we help our employees to actually be feeling better about, about getting up every day and staying motivated, and being okay, and, and, you know, different triggers along the, along the day would affect different people differently, too. And so just recognizing that more than anything, but again, I think taking kind of a one on one approach with people. I think, people knowing that, you know, we understood we were empathetic, was was really, really important. And, and then always just checking back in with individuals just to make sure that they were getting, getting the, the support that they needed from their managers to is was really more than anything what I learned, learned through this time. So it's, uh, yeah, I think that and I think there's a lot of leaders that that acted that way. I think they more than anything, I don't think anybody would say that. They knew exactly how to manage during this time, but they know, nope, did not hold up their sleeves, and they decided, you know, I have a decision to make I have options like the neither let it get to me or I can figure out how to do the best I can. And I think that that is that's a mindset more than anything. And I think when you're used to dealing with challenges along the way, you're you're definitely you've, you've had them before, you got to figure out how to keep moving forward.

Danielle Cobo  32:54  
Yeah. And then that no one like you said, no one's really, we've never really experienced that pandemic before. And so you're spot on, I think back when I was working for this fortune 500 company, and I was leading the team when the pandemic first hit. And you know, there were some people on my team where they were terrified to go out and they're trying to juggle, zoom, learning it for their kids, and then you know, also working and trying to survive that. And then I had some people on my team that were eager to get back in the field, because I was leading a sales team. And so they want to get back in the field right away. And some people didn't have kids at all. And you're just you're navigating through supporting each person, where they're at. And each of those conversations is totally different. And the ones that really thrive, through all of this are the ones that were able to adapt and molded and changed as everything's continuing to change because we're still in it. I don't necessarily know when this is eventually going to go away, or we're just going to find a way to work through it. But yeah, the ones the individuals that were that are able to adapt and be resilient through this and keep their mind focus in that positive are always typically the ones that make it through in the end.

Kara Goldin  34:12  
Yeah, and I think also just looking out for your employees and making sure that they're being taken care of first I felt like, you know, that was that was the goal. Somebody said something to me the other day. Did you focus on you know, hitting the numbers? I mean, were you all at work? And I said, Yeah, but I but I also felt like if I I would never be able to hit hit the numbers if I wasn't making sure that the people aspect was taken care of first and so taking care of your people became it was always important to me, but it became even more magnified because I felt like if you If you figure out how to do that part, then the rest will come. And because otherwise, if they're not happy, then if they're not healthy, if they're not feeling like they're supported, then they're not going to be able to achieve what the company needs to achieve. And I think that, that was really the key thing that I saw in to kind of distinguish great leadership from, okay, leadership, if people are sitting here saying, Wait, we've got to get this number, we've got to do this, we've got to do this. And that if they're not really focusing on the people, I think even, you know, when you look at like supply chain issues, which everybody's had differing, depending on if you're getting supplies from outside of the US versus inside of the US and different, you know, there are different issues. But it really leads back to the same that there's only so much you can do about, you know, getting a container, for example, from Asia. I mean, we actually do everything in the US. But I was just talking to a friend earlier today where her cost of getting a container from Asia went from $5,000 to $30,000. And right, and so what are you going to do about it? I mean, that can actually, you know, dramatically affect your business, but you can sit there and figure out, okay, how do I shift my manufacturing and supply chain stuff into the US and cut that cost out? But also, what's going on with your people? Because maybe you've been really focused on making sure that that your people are your labor forces are, you know, maybe less expensive? That's why you're using products coming from Asia or whatever it is. But I think focusing on could you actually figure something out over here in the US and shifting that dynamic? A little bit? First of all, where are your people in the situation? And what is the labor force? Like, you know, can you hire more people that are really interested, for example, and working in a non online environment, which I think is is sort of going to be the conversation coming forward? There's going to be some jobs that are is it online? Is it not online? And it's I think, there's a lot of people that certainly, Gen Z's and and many young millennials, in particular, that maybe don't have families at home, they really do want to have a social network and be working with other people. They don't want to be sitting here looking at a screen all day long. So whatever that is, I think really figuring out how can that shift your business in some way? And how can you figure out how to, you know, make that an asset for you versus, versus, you know, looking at it from this from the standpoint of just pure costs?

Danielle Cobo  38:15  
Yeah, they're calling this era, the great resignation. And, you know, obviously, unemployment has been higher than, you know, historically, and really, where it's affecting is women. And, and it's because women are trying to juggle the home life and kids, and, you know, they're really requesting, if I'm going to come back to work, it's about being flexible, it's about being able to provide flexibilities. And you can do both. And I think that that's why I'm such a big advocate in supporting women and getting into leadership roles, is because we need people that can relate that get that struggled so that we can create a culture and environment and organization that supports flexibility. And I think that's where a lot of where these companies are starting to kind of get that eye opening to going well, if we want to continue to grow if we want to continue to retain employees, it's about creating flexibility within working remote or at home or flexible hours, whatever that is. So well, you've shared so many great nuggets with us, what are three things that you want our listeners to take away from our conversation today?

Kara Goldin  39:22  
I think the the biggest things are that, you know, focus on what you want, right? Whether that's starting a company or focusing on, you know, the best work environment for you. Maybe you've been trying to figure out exactly what excites you what what you would really like to be doing every day, which is another thing that I get people thinking about a lot which is, you know, it's a choice, right? You don't have to you you can have a job that just helps you get a paycheck. and puts food on the table and a roof over your head. But I think part of what the great resignation is today is rethinking now that so many jobs are remote, and there's so many different opportunities for people to really have a much more flexible work life. I really think that that's that that's an opportunity for people to try and think about, am I actually supporting a company that believes in what I believe in, that is maybe selling a product or service that I can stand behind that I really enjoy? Am I working with people that I feel like, you know, really get me and want to support me in some way, whether that's, you know, with my family, or flexible time, or benefits, or whatever that is. So I think the options are definitely out there. And more than anything, I think, trying to figure out a, a role for you, that really makes you happy. One of the things that I talk about in my book is actually taking a little bit of time off, I used to think so many people said to me coming from, I was a VP and at America Online, and everybody said Don't take too much time off to be with your family, because then you like get off the track, and you'll never be able to get back on. I still don't think that's true. I think people if you want to take a break, then you should take a break, right? And you're in charge of your own self and your mental health. And having, you know, talking about mental health, too, does not mean that your mental in some way, right. I mean, that's also just saying that, maybe you need time to think maybe you need time to reset in some way to figure out exactly what you're meant to be doing. And that is okay to do that. So I think that that is maybe that's four items versus three items, but I think it's okay, really good nuggets.

Danielle Cobo  42:09  
I love it. Well, thank you so much for joining today. You have such a powerful message and I invite you who are listening, go grab her book, undaunted, overcoming doubts and doubters. It's an incredible book. And she shared some of it today during today's episode, but she goes into so much more detail in her book. And so I'll go ahead and include the link in the show notes for you to to go ahead and grab your copy on Amazon. And then thank you for joining so much, Kara. Appreciate it.

Kara Goldin  42:41  
I appreciate it.

Danielle Cobo  42:43  
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