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Under The Gloss with Phoebe Burgess

Vogue Australiawww.vogue.com.au

Under The Gloss doesn’t just scratch the surface, we go deep into conversations you didn’t know you needed to hear. Phoebe Burgess unpacks everything from sex, relationships, cancel culture and social media through the lens of honest and compelling conversations with experts, celebs and brave people with a story to share. No topic is off limits: if you’re Googling it or sharing it in your DM’s, Under The Gloss is talking about it.

 

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Teresa Palmer on wanting motherhood and a career 'in abundance'

Teresa Palmer may be an actress who has starred in more than 30 films as well as her new Disney+ miniseries The Clearing , but she’s first and foremost a devoted mum to her four beautiful children and a 'bonus kid' from her husband's previous relationship. On today's episode of Under The Gloss, Teresa is open and honest about how her worlds blur together; she talks about the reality of breastfeeding solidly for nearly 10 years, dives into the terrifying world of cults, and shares the secret to t...

May 10, 202348 min

Pallavi Sharda is igniting conversations about culture and context

Prolific in every sense of the word, Pallavi Sharda has an impressive resume; in just the past year she's starred in Netflix hit Wedding Season and award-winning Australian drama The Twelve . And outside of Australia, she's an even bigger star - Pallavi started her career in India as a Bollywood actress. On today’s episode, Pallavi joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio for an incredibly nuanced conversation about why she decided to head to India while in the midst of her law degree, how she brings cu...

May 03, 202354 min

Tanya Plibersek - "It almost felt like I was having an affair"

Tanya Plibersek has been in the public eye for almost 30 years – but you’ve never heard her like this. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Tanya swaps politics for the Vogue studio to chat to Phoebe about her childhood, her surprise pregnancy and how she balances parliament with parenting. She also opens up about the real reason why she turned down her party’s top job in 2019. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Apr 26, 202349 min

Part two: “Don’t say you’re a single mum, unless you are”

Jacinta Tynan became a single mother almost overnight. She left behind the idea of a nuclear family to live life on her own terms – and she’s not alone. Single parent families are the fastest growing family type in Australia. In part two of this special chat, Jacinta joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about losing friends during separation (and finding them), why invitations dry up if you’re single and the secret to juggling life when you’re a solo parent. Jacinta Tynan is a journalist and...

Apr 19, 202331 min

Part one: Jacinta Tynan on breaking up her family to follow her heart

Jacinta Tynan became a single mother almost overnight. She left behind the idea of a nuclear family to live life on her own terms – and she’s not alone. Single parent families are the fastest growing family type in Australia.In part one of this two-part chat, Jacinta joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to share what it’s like to raise children on your own, how it feels to be the only adult in the house, and why dating is the last thing on your mind. This isn’t just for single mums – it’s for anyone...

Apr 12, 202340 min

Bianca Spender on Carla Zampatti, family legacies and gardening in silk nighties

Two years ago, Bianca Spender hadn’t really experienced loss. But in the space of 18 months, the fashion designer lost her beloved mum, Carla Zampatti, and not long after, she lost her father. On today’s episode, Bianca joins Phoebe – after a quick wardrobe change – to chat about overcoming grief, childhood memories of the Carla Zampatti atelier, why she went to France to prove herself in the fashion world, how she’s forging her own legacy – and why she gardens in a silk nightie. Read all about ...

Apr 05, 202355 min

BONUS: How tweakments can enhance your beauty and confidence

How you feel about beauty can have just as much of an impact on your mind and it does your face. Vogue Digital Head of Brand Ana Eksouzian-Cavadas joins Phoebe in this special bonus episode to chat about feeling comfortable and beautiful in your own skin, finding your confidence and why you shouldn’t follow trends when it comes to “tweakments”. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Apr 05, 202318 min

Nikki Gemmell and Phoebe Burgess are living their best sex free lives

Have you ever thought about a sexless life? Nikki Gemmell has. She’s happily married with four kids – and for now, she’s over sex. The award winning author and columnist for The Australian doesn’t remember the last time she had sex. In today’s episode of Under The Gloss, Nikki joins Phoebe to chat first times, birth stories, embracing a post-sex life, what menopause is all about and the freedom of living together apart. Read Nikki Gemmell’s columns here . See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy ...

Mar 29, 202348 min

Camilla and Marc like you’ve never heard them

Camilla and Marc aren’t just the fashion duo behind their namesake brand –they’re on a mission to end ovarian cancer. It’s a disease that kills about 1,042 Australian women every year – including their beloved mum. In today’s episode, Camilla and Marc join Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about their idyllic childhood, the devastating moment they realised their mum was ill, the ritual of sitting shiva, and how their campaign ‘Ovaries. Talk About Them’ is helping to fund the first early detecti...

Mar 22, 202348 min

Sasha was told she was “too pretty to be Aboriginal”

Sasha Kutabah Sarago was told she was “too pretty to be Aboriginal” as a child. Since that moment, the author and model has been working to decolonise beauty. On today’s episode, Sasha joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to talk about hiding her culture to avoid conflict, why she brought her own makeup to photo shoots and how Rihanna changed the beauty game. You can pick up a copy of Gigorou by Sasha Kutabah Sarago here: https://www.booktopia.com.au/gigorou-sasha-kutabah-sarago/book/9780645476736.h...

Mar 15, 202358 min

Lilly Luhrmann: Confessions of a nepo baby

Lilly Luhrmann grew up in the bright lights of Hollywood, spending her younger years on movie sets alongside her parents, Baz Luhrmann and Catherine Martin. On today’s episode, Lilly joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat all things fashion and family. She opens up about going to school being followed by the paparazzi, about fighting over Baz’s pearls, the reality of managing at a dive bar, owning her nepo baby status, planning Oscars outfits and why she’s her parents’ OG fan. See omnystudio.c...

Mar 08, 202355 min

Chloé Hayden on Harry Styles and igniting big conversations

Heartbreak High’s Chloé Hayden isn’t afraid to make waves. The Netflix star called out ableism and discrimination at a Harry Styles concert – resulting in a one-on-one meeting with the stadium’s CEO. Not only is she an advocate, she’s an author, animal lover and the first Australian actor with autism to co-lead a global TV series. On today’s episode, Chloé joins Phoebe to chat about making the world more accessible for everyone, how school almost took her life and why she still has to fight so h...

Mar 01, 202346 min

Beyonce, dating and escaping life’s pressure cooker: Inside the mind of Sloane Crosely

New York Times best-selling author Sloane Crosley first shot to the literary limelight with her hit debut novel, I Was Told There’d Be Cake – which she wrote while holding down a successful career as a book publicist. Sloane has since quit her day job and embraced life as a full-time author, spending her days writing, napping and eating cheese. On today’s episode of Under the Gloss, Sloane joins Phoebe from New York City to chat about her newest novel, Cult Classic , the reality of dating, using...

Feb 22, 202346 min

The world’s most powerful people all have this in common

Jean Oelwang has found the secret power behind the most successful people in the world. The Founding President and CEO of Virgin Unite has spent the past 15 years figuring out exactly what makes people tick – and she’s unloading her expertise on today’s episode of Under The Gloss. Jean joins Phoebe to chat about how you can create your own success, the importance of leveraging partnerships for growth and why you should embrace conflict – not run way from it. Jean’s book is out now: Partnering: F...

Feb 15, 202356 min

“F*** labels”: Sam Smith changed Deni Todorovič’s life

Activist and author Deni Todorovič was turned down by four cabs because they were wearing heels and a mini skirt. That didn’t happen overseas – it happened right here in Australia, in 2023. On today’s episode of Under The Gloss, Deni joins Phoebe to chat about how they always felt innately different, why we’ve been conditioned to fear the queer community, the power of visibility and why being trans is so much more than a pronoun. Connect with Deni @StyleByDeni See all the stars of Vogue’s specia...

Feb 08, 202357 min

In a world full of Andrew Tates, we need Hunter Johnson

Raising boys has never been more confronting, challenging – even scary. In a world with so many conflicting narratives around what it means to be a man, The Man Cave CEO Hunter Johnson is undoing the troubling behaviours around toxic masculinity. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Hunter joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about boyhood, the damaging effect of locker rooms and how intergenerational trauma has led to toxic mindsets. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

Feb 01, 202359 min

Drunk mummy, sober mummy: swapping glitter boobs for sobriety

Victoria Vanstone loved to party. She partied so hard that she once blew her finger off with a firework at a New Year's Eve party. For the first 20 years of her life, Victoria wasn't sober, but she also didn't consider herself to be a problematic drinker. She fell somewhere in between going to the pub and going to a support meeting. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Victoria joins Phoebe to chat about how her binge drinking went unnoticed, coping with motherhood and a hangover, falling into th...

Jan 24, 202358 min

Sarah-Jane Clarke is sober-ish

As the co-founder of sass & bide, Sarah-Jane Clarke’s days were filled with fashion shows, boutique openings and glamorous parties. What followed was endless binge drinking, hangovers and crippling anxiety. But three years after shedding her identity with sass & bide, she also ended her relationship with alcohol. On today’s episode, Phoebe sits down with Sarah-Jane to chat about embarking on a sober-ish lifestyle, the challenges she’s faced and why alcohol is the only drug we need to jus...

Jan 18, 20231 hr

Accidentally sober: Phoebe opens up about life without alcohol

Are you sober curious? For Phoebe, it was more accidental than planned. On this episode of Under The Gloss, we turn the tables and invite Felicity Harley, podcast host of Healthy-ish and Extra Healthy-ish, to ask Phoebe about the reason why she chose to embrace a sober lifestyle, how she deals with social events and the delicate balance of motherhood and alcohol. Trigger warning: We will be discussing issues relating to alcohol consumption so please, as always, listen with care Want to hear more...

Dec 15, 202240 min

Moana Hope on finding hope after a traumatic birth

Moana Hope has a lot going on. She’s an AFL footy star, she runs a business with 130 staff, she’s a mother of two under two and is the full time carer to her sister Vinny. In today’s episode, Moana chats to Phoebe about the traumatic moment she thought she lost her son during birth, how she struggled with intimacy, and why she and her wife, Belle, both breastfeed their babies. This is Moana like you’ve never heard her. Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses birth trauma, so p...

Dec 07, 202256 min

Keira Rumble on intimacy, trauma and becoming a mum

In the last few years, Keira Rumble has suffered six miscarriages, a heterotopic pregnancy, was diagnosed with endometriosis and underwent emergency surgery. On top of everything – she started two businesses. On today’s episode, Keira joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about how she navigates grief in the public eye, why she saw IVF as failure and how she launched a business with a newborn. Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses infertility and infant loss so please lis...

Nov 30, 20221 hr 1 min

Rebecca Vallance on IVF, mother’s guilt and being the architect of your life

When Rebecca Vallance’s business was really taking off, she was enduring heartbreaking miscarriages and gruelling IVF treatments. In today’s episode, Rebecca joins Phoebe to chat about her traumatic pregnancies, the joys of raising her two boys, the inspiration behind her fashion empire, and she explains how she navigates those dreadful feelings of mother’s guilt. Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses infertility, so please listen with care. If this raises any issues or conc...

Nov 23, 202252 min

The unspoken toll of becoming a surgeon

Have you ever spoken to your boss about egg freezing? What about when you’re planning to have children? For Dr Wendy Liu and Dr Joyce Yu, it’s these uncomfortable and deeply personal topics that have become the norm for themselves and other trainee surgeons. On this episode of Under The Gloss, the doctors join Phoebe to chat about the shame and guilt surrounding female surgeons and motherhood, and they explain why it’s near impossible for trainee surgeons to start a family. You can find more inf...

Nov 16, 202248 min

Phoebe opens up about her breast reduction journey - part two

Boobs…we’re talking about them – again! In this part two episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe is answering all your questions about breast reductions. Joining her to discuss every single detail is writer Mary Madigan, as well as Phoebe’s own surgeon, Dr Steven Liew. How painful is it? Is there any scarring? How do you learn to love your body? No questions are off-limits in this chat. To listen to part one ‘I remember just feeling so free’: Phoebe and Leah Itsines chat breast reductions, listen her...

Nov 10, 20221 hr 5 min

Ashlee's warning: social media and the pressure for perfect

When Ashlee Thomas was 13, she went on a health kick using social media. Just a year later, she was diagnosed with anorexia. She was hospitalised for 12 weeks and her heart stopped – twice. A startling new Australian study has shown Ashlee isn’t the only one experiencing mental health problems because of social media. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Ashlee joins Phoebe, and Body and Soul’s Alison Izzo, to share her story. TRIGGER WARNING: this episode may be distressing to some listeners. We...

Nov 02, 202247 min

Kate Waterhouse is ready to break fashion rules

For those who might think Kate Waterhouse’s last name got her places, her family life really only ignited her own love and passion for the racing world. In this special episode of Under The Gloss, Phoebe chats to Kate about growing up in the spotlight, forging her own path in life, why she doesn’t take her own style advice and how she’s empowering her two young daughters. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 27, 202241 min

Christian Wilkins on genderless fashion, trolls and ‘leg prisons’

In this episode of Under The Gloss, Christian Wilkins joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat all things fashion in the lead up to the Melbourne Cup. He also talks about why his dad will never use the word ‘shame’ when it comes his bold looks, what he actually said to those Logies dress trolls and why he refers to pants as leg prisons. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 26, 202237 min

Trinny Woodall on relationship breakdowns, IVF and puppy nappies

Trinny Woodall may be known as the straight-talking, taller half of Trinny and Susannah – the fashion duo responsible for reality TV makeovers. But she’s since turned her love of helping women feel good into a multi-million dollar beauty empire – Trinny London. In this episode of Under The Gloss, Trinny joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat relationship breakdowns, losing loved ones, the toll of going through 16 rounds of IVF and navigating the complicated relationship with her late mum. See ...

Oct 21, 202249 min

‘My mum is giving me her uterus’

Imagine growing your baby in the very same womb you were grown in. It might sound like a story line straight from Hollywood, but for Kirsty and Michelle, it’s about to become their reality. Next year, Michelle will be donating her uterus to her daughter in what is Australia’s first-ever uterus transplant trial. There really are no limits to a mother’s love. Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses issues relating to infertility and traumatic birth, so please listen with care. S...

Oct 11, 202248 min

Jonathan Seidler on bipolar, suicide and infertility

Jonathan Seidler was in his early 20s when his father committed suicide. While juggling feelings of grief and vulnerability, life gave him more curveballs – Jonathan was diagnosed with bipolar and experienced infertility. The author sat down with Phoebe Burgess for an incredibly raw and emotional chat about traversing life’s biggest issues. He also put pen to paper in his new memoir – It’s A Shame About Ray which you can link to here . This is Jonno’s story. Content warning: this episode of Unde...

Oct 05, 202245 min
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