James Dooley:
If you are looking for a consistent flow of inquiries for barn conversions, this video is for you. Myself and Kasra have dealt with many barn conversion companies, so we know exactly what marketing works to attract more customers and what to avoid. In this video, we’re breaking down all the different marketing strategies. Step one is a Google Business Profile. If you already have one, make sure you reach out to your existing clients and get as many five-star reviews as possible. It’s a great way for generating more leads. You can also add citations, Google Business Profile posts, and upload photos. That would be my first step for generating more local leads.
Kasra Dash:
Step two to strengthen your Google Business Profile is creating dedicated service pages for each of your individual services as SEO-optimised pages on your website. When you do that, you help your page rank and you increase the chance of your Google Business Profile showing up for those keywords too. That indirectly leads to more phone calls.
James Dooley:
If you’re looking for more local leads, another option is PPC lead generation through Google or Bing. You target bottom-of-funnel keywords to generate more inquiries. The challenge is making sure you team up with a proper pay-per-click agency because of click fraud and the need to build a negative keyword list so you don’t get job-related clicks. PPC can work well, but in the wrong hands it can waste money. Still, it’s another way of generating local leads.
Kasra Dash:
Then you have Meta Ads, such as Facebook and Instagram. When someone goes onto Facebook, they might see your ad while scrolling. There are a few ways to run Facebook ads. Option A is lead forms, which are easy, and users never leave Facebook. The issue is quality, but you can add questions to improve it. Then you have conversion ads, which send users to your website where they fill out your contact form. So you’ve got a couple of different options.
James Dooley:
Another way to grow local leads is organic social media. Posting regularly on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Pinterest, Instagram, Reddit and Quora. If people have questions, you can answer them. Organic social media is another great way to generate leads.
Kasra Dash:
Organic social media is a volume game. You need consistency. Upload on a daily or weekly schedule — for example, five videos a week — and stick to it. That helps with algorithms like YouTube and Twitter.
James Dooley:
What’s your view on using AI agents to automate and schedule posts? Could someone team up with an AI consultant to set that up?
Kasra Dash:
You can definitely set up AI agents to crop videos and auto-publish to YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and others. But I’d also focus on AI search. People are slowly moving to engines like ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Groq. If your brand isn’t showing up there, you’ll struggle to generate leads from those engines too. That’s another area companies should focus on.
James Dooley:
If you're looking for more business leads locally, you can also team up with tradespeople websites like Checkatrade, Bark, Builder Builder, TrustATrader and Rated People. They can generate more leads. You should track KPIs to see your return on investment — cost per lead, cost per acquisition, and return. These platforms can work well. Check the links in the description for our comparisons. I’ve mentioned Fat Rank a few times. Kasra, what are your thoughts on lead generation companies versus tradespeople companies?
Kasra Dash:
With lead generation companies, always do your due diligence. Make sure the company has generated leads in your niche before. Have a strategy call about budget and lead volume to ensure your KPIs align. Check what type of leads they provide — exclusive or shared. Many tools offer shared leads, and that becomes a race to the bottom where the cheapest wins. These are key questions to ask before partnering.
James Dooley:
If anyone wants more local leads, head over to fatrank.com where we run a commission-based lead generation service. You only pay a finder’s fee on converted jobs. You pay nothing per lead and nothing until you get paid for the completed job. Visit fatrank.com to see if you qualify. Kasra, what’s your view on inbound versus outbound lead generation?
Kasra Dash:
I always prefer inbound. The conversion rate — from lead to paying customer — is much higher. The last stat I saw was around 16.1% for inbound versus 1.4% for outbound.
James Dooley:
That’s around 10–12 times more conversion. Outbound needs a lot of volume — cold calling, cold email, LinkedIn Sales Navigator. You often need more staff. People say outbound is free, but there are costs — email sending and sales team time. Inbound is much better. What do you think when people ask if real-time leads matter? Where the inquiry comes through immediately.
Kasra Dash:
Real-time leads are very important. The last internal stat we saw showed that real-time leads convert around 63% higher. We also learned that responding in under a minute dramatically increases conversions. We previously thought five minutes was good, but under a minute was far better. I’m not saying every company must respond that fast, but it matters. At Fat Rank we see many businesses fall short — for example, someone goes on holiday for five days and nobody picks up the leads. There are many nuances we check when partnering. But if you're looking to scale your business and get a consistent flow of high-quality leads.