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Typology

Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who are trying to become the best version of themselves in the world.

Episodes

Understanding Your Conflict Style: Enneagram Insights with Dr. James Ginn

In this episode of the Typology Podcast, we dive deep into the art of conflict resolution with our special guest, James Ginn, author of the new book How to Get Along with Anyone: The Playbook for Predicting and Preventing Conflict at Work and at Home . Join us as we explore the five distinct conflict styles: Avoiders, Competitors, Collaborators, Accommodators, and Analyzers. James shares insights on how these typologies influence our reactions during conflicts and how understanding them can lead...

Jun 05, 202555 minSeason 8Ep. 49

When “Enough” Is More Than Money: An Enneagram One’s Journey, feat. Elizabeth Husserl

In this heartfelt episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with Elizabeth Husserl—an Enneagram One with a Two wing and the author of the beautiful new book The Power of Enough: Finding Joy in Your Relationship with Money . Elizabeth's story begins over two decades ago when she first encountered the Enneagram. What followed was nothing short of transformational. Her work with the Enneagram didn’t just shape her inner life—it helped heal her marriage and completely reframed her understanding of...

May 31, 202542 minSeason 8Ep. 48

Dr. Morgan Cutlip on Tackling the Invisible Burden of the Mental Load Among Couples

Have you ever felt overwhelmed in your relationships or struggled with the mental load? If yes, this episode is a must-listen! In this episode, Dr. Morgan Cutlip, an Enneagram 9 and author of the new book, A Better Share reveals how understanding her Enneagram type has shaped her approach to relationships, especially with her husband, who is a Type 3. We explore the dynamics of their relationship, including the challenges of maintaining connection while navigating the complexities of life and pa...

May 22, 202548 minSeason 8Ep. 47

From Conflict to Connection: Transforming Relationships Through the Enneagram with Christa Hardin, MA

In this episode of Typology, we take a look at the fascinating intersection of the Enneagram and relationships with our special guest, Crista Hardin, a relationship expert and author of "The Enneagram in Marriage." Christa, an Enneagram 7, brings her vibrant energy and insights to the conversation, discussing how her type influences her marriage and her work with couples. We explore the complexities of anxiety in Sevens, the importance of understanding core fears in relationships, and how differ...

May 15, 20251 hrSeason 8Ep. 46

Underestimated: Mary Marantz on Embracing Fear and Moving Forward

This week we welcome the incredible Mary Marantz, an Enneagram 4 and author of the new book, Underestimated: The Surprisingly Simple Shift to Quit Playing Small, Name the Fear, and Move Forward Anyway . In this episode, we dive deep into the transformative power of understanding our Enneagram types and how they shape our narratives. Mary shares her personal journey of self-discovery, revealing how she once identified as a self-preserving 4 and the profound impact that realization had on her life...

May 09, 202556 minSeason 8Ep. 45

From Codependency to Self-Discovery: Thais Gibson on the Path of an Enneagram Two

In this episode of Typology, we dive deep into the world of the Enneagram with our special guest, Thais Gibson, an Enneagram Two with a Three wing. Thais is a counselor, best-selling author, and co-founder of the Personal Development School, bringing a wealth of knowledge and experience to our conversation. Join Ian Cron and co-host Anthony Skinner as they explore Thais's journey of self-discovery, healing, and the challenges of being a Two. Thais shares her insights on codependency, the importa...

May 07, 202551 minSeason 8Ep. 44

The Audacity to Be You: Embracing Your True Self, feat. Dr. Brad Reedy

In this powerful episode of Typology, I’m honored to sit down with Enneagram 8, Dr. Brad Reedy, co-founder and chief clinical officer of Finding You Therapy Programs, Together, we explore the profound impact of therapy and self-acceptance on the transformative journey of self-discovery and healing. Brad opens up about his journey as a therapist and how his work has profoundly impacted families, including my own. We dive into his flagship program, Finding You, which offers an immersive experience...

Apr 24, 202551 minSeason 8Ep. 43

The Soul Beneath the Symptoms, feat. Michael J. Cusick

This week on Typology , I sat down with my dear friend, therapist and spiritual director, Michael Cusick for a raw, wise, and deeply compassionate conversation about the connection between attachments and our path to healing. Michael—founder of Restoring the Soul and a true guide for the journey inward—helps us unpack the idea that our symptoms (anxiety, compulsions, burnout, you name it) aren’t signs we’re broken…but sacred signals that our soul is calling for care. We talk about: How trauma, s...

Apr 18, 202540 minSeason 8Ep. 42

An Enneagram Six's Journey to Open-Heartedness, feat. Jeff Chu

How do you cultivate open-heartedness? Tune in as the insightful Jeff Chu, author of the new memoir, Good Soil: The Education of an Accidental Farmhand and a self-identified Enneagram Six, shares what he learned on his journey from a successful career in journalism to the unexpected life of a farmhand at Princeton's Farminary. We explore the fascinating intersection of farming and personal growth, discussing how engaging with the land has taught Jeff invaluable lessons about trust, fear, and the...

Apr 10, 202542 minSeason 8Ep. 41

Smart, Not Loud: Strategies for Getting Noticed at Work with Jessica Chen

Today on Typology, we dig into the Enneagram with our special guest, Jessica Chen, an Enneagram 3 and author of the insightful book Smart, Not Loud: How to Get Noticed at Work for All the Right Reasons . Join us as we explore the unique challenges faced by quieter personality types in the workplace, particularly those identified as Enneagram 4s, 5s, 6s, and 9s. Jessica shares her personal journey of navigating a "quiet culture" and how it shaped her professional life. We discuss the importance o...

Apr 03, 202537 minSeason 8Ep. 40

How to Cultivate a Deep-Rooted Marriage, feat. Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call

Join us for an enlightening episode of the Typology Podcast as we dive deep into the complexities of marriage through the lens of the Enneagram with our special guests, Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call. In this episode, we explore insights from their book, The Deep-Rooted Marriage: Cultivating Intimacy, Healing, and Delight . Discover how the Enneagram can provide clarity in relationships, particularly for those navigating the challenges of shame and vulnerability. Dan, an Enneagram 8, and St...

Mar 27, 202547 minSeason 8Ep. 39

How to Transform Shame into Empowerment through Storytelling, feat. ESPN reporter Lauren Sisler

Is she an Enneagram Two, the Helper, or an Enneagram Three, the Achiever? Find out in today's episode with Emmy award-winning sports broadcaster, ESPN sideline reporter, author, keynote speaker, and someone known for her sideline shimmy, Lauren Sisler. Through insightful typing questions, Ian guides Lauren on an exploration of her core motivations, fears, and traits that define her personality. We unpack the nuances of the Two and the Three, the challenges of codependency, and the importance of ...

Mar 20, 20251 hr 6 minSeason 8Ep. 38

Jason Wahler's Recovery Journey: Navigating Codependency and Self-Discovery

This week we welcome the incredible Jason Wahler, a passionate advocate for addiction education and recovery. You may recognize Jason from shows like Laguna Beach , The Hills , and Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew . His journey through addiction and recovery is both inspiring and enlightening. In this episode, we discuss Jason's Enneagram type, which he recently discovered to be a 3 with a 2 wing. Together, we explore what this means for him personally and how it relates to his experiences in recov...

Mar 13, 202556 minSeason 8Ep. 37

The One-to-One Seven: Unpacking the Unique Landscape of Enneagram 7s w/Justin Heap

In this episode of Typology, host Ian Cron welcomes Enneagram 7, Justin Heap, a creative consultant, certified Enneagram coach, and author. Together, they dive deep into the unique inner world of the Enneagram 7, particularly focusing on the one-to-one subtype, which often resembles the emotional depth of a four. Join Ian and Justin as they explore: The adventurous spirit of Enneagram 7s and their love for possibility The often hidden emotional landscape beneath the lighthearted exterior of seve...

Mar 06, 202547 minSeason 8Ep. 36

Navigating Difficult Conversations: LaTasha Morrison's Irenic Approach to Racial Equity and Justice

This week, our special guest, LaTasha Morrison, Enneagram 9 and the author of the award-winning New York Times bestseller, Be the Bridge shares insights from her latest book, Brown Faces, White Spaces: Confronting Systemic Racism to Bring Healing and Restoration , where she tackles the challenging topic of systemic racism with grace and compassion. Join us as we explore LaTasha's journey of finding her voice and stepping into leadership as an Enneagram Nine, even in the face of conflict. We expl...

Mar 01, 202551 minSeason 8Ep. 35

Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison

How do your aptitudes intersect with your Enneagram type? Aptitudes are about your innate abilities. Understanding your personal aptitudes can enhance your personal and professional relationships as it allows you to "pinpoint really specific things you can celebrate, lean into, and have confidence about," explains Betsy Wills. Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison, co-authors of the insightful new book, Your Hidden Genius: The Science-Backed Strategy to Uncovering and Harnessing Your Innate Talents, join...

Feb 20, 202548 minSeason 8Ep. 34

James Rhodes on Navigating Life as an Enneagram Nine [S08-033]

In this episode of Typology, we welcome special guest James Rhodes, co-founder and president of the artist-owned record label FiXT. As an Enneagram Type 9, James shares his journey of self-discovery through the Enneagram, the impact it has had on his family and work environment, and how he integrates it into his label's culture. We discuss the challenges of being a Type 9, including navigating anger and assertiveness, and the importance of self-care. Tune in as James opens up about his personal ...

Feb 13, 202536 minSeason 8Ep. 33

Beyond Addiction: How the 12 Steps Can Enrich Everyone's Spiritual Journey

What can we all glean from the 12 Steps? John Ortberg and I share an insightful conversation about the transformative power of the 12 steps for everyone . John, an Enneagram 3, begins by sharing his unique insights into the Enneagram and how it intersects with the journey of personal growth and spiritual development. Then, we dig into the 12 steps as a way of living. In this episode, you'll discover: The significance of the 12 steps as a design for living that can benefit everyone, not just thos...

Feb 06, 202553 minSeason 8Ep. 32

The Essential Self: Unpacking the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems with Jenna Riemersma (Type 1)

Join us for an enlightening episode of Typology as we dig into the fascinating intersection of the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with our special guest, Jenna Riemersma. Jenna, a bestselling author and certified therapist, shares her insights on how understanding our internal parts can lead to personal and spiritual transformation. In this episode, we explore: The foundational concepts of Internal Family Systems and how it relates to the Enneagram. The different categories ...

Jan 31, 202551 minSeason 8Ep. 31

Special Episode: Ian reads Chapter One of The Fix

We’ve got a special episode for you today! With the release of my new book, The Fix , just days away, I wanted to share the first chapter with our Typology listeners. You'll hear the entire first chapter of The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between , recorded by yours truly from a beautiful studio here in Nashville. Recording an audiobook is really one of the coolest parts of writing a book, so I’m ver...

Jan 23, 202547 minSeason 8Ep. 30

Navigating Leadership and Self-Awareness: Insights from Enneagram 8 Bethny Ricks

Join us for another episode of Typology as we dive deep into the world of the Enneagram with special guest Bethny Ricks, an Enneagram 8 and author of the new book, Face Forward: Reclaiming Hope When Everything Falls Apart . Bethny shares her unique journey with the Enneagram, discussing how it helped her understand herself in ways other assessments couldn't. With over 20 years of experience in human resources, she reflects on her corporate career, the challenges she faced, and the lessons learne...

Jan 16, 202543 minSeason 8Ep. 29

Consent and Connection: How to Experience God's Presence in Everyday Life, feat. John Eldredge

Join us for a captivating episode of Typology as we dive deep into the spiritual journey with New York Times bestselling author John Eldridge! In this special interview, we explore themes from his latest book, Experience Jesus Really: Finding Refuge, Strength, and Wonder Through Everyday Encounters with God . We engage in a rich conversation about the impact of modern-day addictions, the quest for genuine experiences of God, and the importance of cultivating a spiritual life amidst the noise of ...

Jan 09, 202542 minSeason 8Ep. 27

Room for Good Things: Josh Nadeau on Finding Beauty in Everyday Life (Enneagram 7)

Today we welcome special guest, Josh Nadeau, Enneagram 7 and author of the new book, Room for Good Things to Run Wild: How Ordinary People Become Everyday Saints . In this episode, we explore Josh's journey through addiction, recovery, and the transformative power of beauty and faith. Josh shares his personal experiences with alcoholism, the challenges of being a creative in a structured world, and how he found a deeper relationship with God through his struggles. Discover how the Enneagram can ...

Jan 02, 202549 minSeason 8Ep. 27

Grieve, Breathe, Receive with Steve Carter (Type 3)

How can grief operate as a transformative experience, leading to deeper self-awareness and a more authentic connection to oneself and others? Join us as we dive deep into the topic of grief through the lens of the Enneagram, featuring special guest Steve Carter, author of "Grieve, Breathe, Receive: Finding a Faith Strong Enough to Hold On." In this episode, Steve, an Enneagram 3, shares his personal journey of navigating grief after significant life changes, including the loss of his adopted fat...

Dec 26, 202434 minSeason 8Ep. 26

Navigating the Holidays: How to Support Each Enneagram Type, feat. Christina Wilcox

Join us in this enlightening episode of Typology as we explore the intricacies of the Enneagram and how it can enhance our relationships during the holiday season. This week, we welcome Christina Wilcox, author of Take Care of Your Type and Take Care of Your Friends , who shares her journey of discovering her Enneagram type as a Six and the profound impact it has had on her life. In this episode, you'll learn: How to care for friends and family of each Enneagram type during the holidays. Strateg...

Dec 19, 202437 minSeason 8Ep. 25

Lessons About Suicidality from Enneagram 6, Chris Morris

Did you know that suicide is one the leading causes of death in the United States? According to the CDC , “In 2022, an estimated 13.2 million adults seriously thought about suicide, 3.8 million planned a suicide attempt, and 1.6 million attempted suicide.” Today on Typology, Enneagram 6, Chris Morris, joins us for an important and vulnerable conversation about his new book “ Resilient and Redeemed: Lessons About Suicidality from the Psych Ward .” We discuss his experiences as an Enneagram Six, t...

Dec 12, 202453 minSeason 8Ep. 24

How to Set and Maintain Healthy Boundaries (S08-023)

This week, Anthony and I explore different types of boundaries, offering examples of what this might look like for various Enneagram types. Boundaries are essential to developing healthy relationships of any kind, but they’re often misunderstood or wielded incorrectly. I think of boundaries as value-based, invisible lines that we set up to take care of ourselves and our relationships. They tell people what they can expect from us in life and what we can expect from them. When we understand and m...

Dec 05, 202440 minSeason 8Ep. 23

Gratitude and the Enneagram: Celebrating the Gifts of Each Type (S08-022)

German-born spiritual teacher and self-help author Eckhart Tolle once wrote, "Acknowledging the good that you already have in your life is the foundation for all abundance." I found this to be true in my life as well, and as it turns out, expressing gratitude isn't just a sound spiritual practice. It's essential to our emotional and physical well-being. According to a recent study performed at Harvard Medical School, "Gratitude is strongly and consistently associated with greater happiness. Grat...

Nov 27, 202424 minSeason 8Ep. 22

William Vanderbloemen on Self-Awareness and Leadership: How the Enneagram and Data-Driven Habits Can Transform Your Career

Welcome back to the Typology Podcast! In this episode, I'm joined by special guest William Vanderbloemen, an Enneagram 7, and author of the new book Be the Unicorn: 12 Data-Driven Habits That Separate the Best Leaders from the Rest . Join us as we explore how self-awareness can transform not only our professional lives but also our personal relationships. William shares his journey with the Enneagram, the importance of understanding our wiring, and how it can lead to better communication and tea...

Nov 21, 202451 minSeason 8Ep. 21

Surprising insights into the story of Christmas, feat. AJ Sherrill (Type 3)

This week we welcome back special guest and Enneagram 3, AJ Sherrill. This time, we explore AJ's journey of spiritual direction, his insights on the Enneagram, and his new book, Rediscovering Christmas: Surprising Insights into the Story You Thought You Knew . We discuss the importance of slowing down during the busy holiday season, the emotional homes we all have, and how the Christmas story can be re-examined through a fresh lens. We explore the fascinating characters from the Nativity, includ...

Nov 15, 202438 minSeason 8Ep. 20
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