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What are the most egregious nonsense that my hard, my hard money is being used to pay? The Europe that Gay Pawn built in 1945 to 2000 and... So we're spending 700 grand researching pregnant men. Gay pig, masculine, at ease. There's a lot of weird footage that came out of the study in the webinar. This is a prize. But what does that mean? The colonising contraception? Oh, my God. Some of these are unbelievable. Bed wetting and continents in 1870 to 1970. It's an insult to taxpayers.
I call it the biggest scandal you've never heard of. Charlotte Gill, welcome to TRIGGERnometry. Thank you for having me. I'm a mega fan. So I'm very excited to be here. Well, we're big fans of yours because you actually do some very important work. You're doing a lot of research into how taxpayer money is being spent on some very interesting projects. Yeah, so for the best part of the year now, I've been running my sub-stack on what I call woke waste.
I call it how the taxpayers funding their own demise. Essentially tracking huge numbers of projects that most people have no idea on the go that are woke and extremely expensive altogether. Like what? So the first bit of evidence I stumbled upon to realise how bad this was was when I was looking into, I'd actually been tipped off about a study in higher education about non-binary inclusivity. And I was looking into the academics that did that study.
And one of them had worked on a project about pregnant men exploring the pregnant man. And so obviously I could go to that, had a little search for what that was all about. And it took me to a website called the UKRI, which I'm sure we'll talk to you later. And I saw a price tag attached to it, which was all together, it was just under £700,000. I thought, what is this price tag discovered that we were paying for it. And that was really the beginning of my woke waste project.
And yeah, it hasn't stopped since then. So we're spending 700 grand researching pregnant men. Yes, this was a study that's in the past. Now, but it went on for several years. It was led by someone, Professor Sally Himes, who's quite infamous on Twitter for hounding gender critical women. And her own research is about gender identity. And she's had, I think it was into the millions of taxpayer money.
Meanwhile, this is someone who is pretty rude to taxpayers, which gender critical feminists are as much as any other people on Twitter. And quite politically active is in general. But she's completely representative of the type of person that we're funding a lot of in higher education. Look, I'm going to get angry. This is just going to happen. And so let's just delve into it. Make me angry. What is what are the most egregious slash bonkers?
Nonsense that my hard, my hard money is being used to pay. Shouldn't have had that third cost. Where does it? It spans a number of areas. It's charities, arts council England, sort of theatre section and universities very, very badly. So the one that I published that everyone gets upset about or frustrated about is the Europe that Gay porn built in 1945 to 2000. Yeah, it's looking at how. Yeah, the Europe that came forward. I don't know, 1945, but I don't really understand the logic.
But and this is by the academics on the project. One of them has a long history of doing studies on gay porn. It really seems that there's no end to academia on the subject. And the other one, he has had another taxpayer, one that comes to about a million the taxpayer money that's gone towards him. And his previous one was on gay pig masculinities, which I don't, I still know why I know what he says it is, but I don't know how popular pigs are among the gay community.
So what does that involve gay pigmask in energy? From the abstract, the gist is that some gay men, this is what he says, not me, find they have a sort of pig fetish. They like acting like pigs. And part of his reason, because I watched webinars of him explaining the research, there were pictures of men meeting in a stable with hair around them. Actually, I thought you know, you get otters and beavers and whatever, like terminology for gay men. Actual pigs.
No, no, not actual pigs, they like pretend it, you know, getting in the farm yard, the two men. This is what he said. Look, it's a free country, but why are we researching that? I've got no one of the worst. There's a lot of weird footage that came out of the study in the webinar. Really? That's a surprise. And it resulted in a film at the end, which I've seen a bit of footage from with
hands and lubricant moving around them. One of the worst bits is a gay porn actor, is interviewed as part of the research. And I don't know how crude I can be on the podcast. It's pretty crude. It can be pretty crude. So he's this American action. He's just interviewed about what he likes when he's doing porn. And he talks about men lining up and how he likes pigs. And he's like, yeah, where, bam, like, it's really explicit. It's disgusting about hearing anyone's sexual life like that.
It's not a sexuality thing. But yeah, this was part of very important research that cost £170,000. So this man's had a lot of taxpayers' money. And I think the thing is, yeah, also he's Portuguese. And I mention that because he lives in Sweden. And I don't think, especially when there are a lot of debates about international students, I don't think Brits are going to be particularly happy to know that this individual is now in Sweden, voted recently at the elections there. I saw on his Twitter.
And it's part of an £840,000 grant to study gay porn. I... We're both lost for words, I know. I don't... So, what is the value of this? How is this justified? Good question. I don't know. A recent... It's all part of the diversity obsession at universities and pretty much every publicly funded sector. Also, it does just seem that you can get a grant for anything. If you just embed social justice terms into your proposal, that most of them are complete nonsense.
There's a study about decolonising the city of York, for instance. There are hundreds of studies about decolonising things. And all they're doing, they just think of anything, and they just embed those words into the abstract. I'll be like, I'm going on the trigonometry, portochastia, scrutinised to cis, hetero, white males. I'm going to see if I can unpick their gendered privilege through my eco-poetry, through a forecaldion analysis, involving decolonising Westminster Abbey, where we're near.
Yeah, that'll be the kind of lexicon that we use. I don't know if you get any money for that. But what you can get money for is... Oh, my God. Some of these are unbelievable. Bed wetting and incontinent in 1870 to 1970, researcher. And you can get paid 40 grand as a researcher for that, as part of a quarter of a million pound research project. It's true. Ah, yeah, I saw that. And obviously, it sounds ridiculous. And it's from a certain period of time as well.
I can't remember what the decades were, but I think... It was in 1870 to 1970. Yeah, and what they do to try and make it sound relevant, there are two things, because obviously, you just think, that's why do we need that? We need medical doctors, but we don't need bed wetting experts from that era. But what they do to try and make it sound relevant is they say, oh, I'm working with these current charities.
They're working with a few in that project to make it sound like they're going to help patients now. And that's why the research is needed. Yeah, so... But ultimately, it's just... When we're hearing about austerity all the time in the news, why do we need that? Right. Look, it's a very good point, because actually, what you talk about very articulately is the corruption of the charity sector. Let's talk about that, because... No, no, let's not talk about that.
Let's talk about the Tipuna project, intergenerational healing, settler accountability, and decolonizing participatory action research in Aotearoa, 310 grand, mate. Or alternatively, let's talk about 1,180,000 pounds on the cultural legacies of the British Empire, a reasonable classical music colonial history. Oh, my goodness, now. There's quite a lot of studies that involve travel to get to the bottom of what's going on in these places.
One of the most often you do find, and this is why I bring up international students, there is, I found a bit of a correlation with international students that come to study in the UK, but somehow are posted at their home countries to conduct the study. So one example I found is a Bolivian PhD research, so she's going to get a doctorate who's gone back to Bolivia to decolonize museums in Bolivia, and we're paying for that.
The British taxpayer is paying for this woman to decolonize museums and Bolivian. Yeah. While the government is taking winter fuel liams away from pensioners. It's really the crazy situation. I mean, for me, controversial, it doesn't sound appropriate to me. That it just goes on and on. Yeah, charities equally bad. We even gave government money to one called decolonizing contraception. What? I know. It's, yeah, it's really... So this has just become one giant scam, basically.
Yeah, I mean, I don't rely, but I'm always worried that I'm going to get sued, because I'm making a lot of enemies. But I call it the biggest scandal you've never heard of. Because what does that mean? Let's look at it. It's really struggling. I'm really struggling. I'm really struggling. But what does that mean? The colonizing contraception? Well, I went through a lot of studies about decolonizing. I mean, there are hundreds. And some really are about decolonizing.
There's nothing to do with the plant world. And a good opportunity to say that not everything we start with tax per fund is bad. We do a lot of proper science as well. Decolonizing, after looking at, yeah, tens, hundreds of these studies, it just means nothing. Like, we're decolonizing folk music, for instance, for £1.5 million. That's one that really annoyed a lot of people. And those studies, the researchers delving into the white centrality of folk music. All it means is the white to fight.
It's the terminologies very vague, but it will be the gist of it is, yes. It's a bit white. So we're going to bring in our special healing, you know, lots of like an exorcism to remove the white spirits from the city of York or folk music, or whatever else, contraception that they're decolonizing.
Because what's interesting about this is, if that, if your criteria for getting approved for research, is hitting all these particular things that you talk about, race, gender, diversity, then obviously that's what you're going to get. So whilst I think it's awful, incentives work, if you incentivise a particular type of behaviour, that's what you're going to get. And so it's a system that's incentivising this, isn't it?
Yeah, I, you could say there is an argument for that, but the system is run by people in the system, it's academics, no other academic, it's all just very cyclical. But I do take your point. One example of what you're saying is the Arts Council England. I do not know, have you heard, you've heard of Arts Council England? So it gets 445 million of our money a year to spend, and it also gets about 170 million for national lottery funding, which is a whole new work area as well.
And Arts Council England does incentivise work, it has four investment principles. Essentially, if you apply for funding with Arts Council England, you've got to embed these investment principles into your funding pitch. Two of those are about the actual work, is any good?
The other two are environmental responsibility and diversity, and the site has huge numbers of documents to help you embed these investment principles into your funding and it even has a note, like we'll be looking to make sure that you embed these investment principles, Winky Wink, and one example that I saw that I think was someone trying to do this was a non-binary dancer who was converting their dance moves into renewable energy.
And when I first saw it, I thought, I thought, no, like, what are you doing? But then I thought, that's not a thing. But then I was like, clever, say he's got around it because he doesn't have to, you know, to meet environmental targets, it's quite expensive. You're not going to get a carbon capture machine. So why not convert your dance moves into renewable energy? But how are you going to convert dance moves into renewable energy?
What is it? You use kinetic energy, which then converts into heat, so because you're moving your inadvertently heating the building, is that the argument? I don't know. You'd have to ask Prance of the dancer who was playing at South Bank Centre, which is another taxpayer funded. Prance of the dancer. Yeah, it was called, it was part of, I mean, South Bank Centre's work central, so they had, yeah, they had a bit of his dance. Or his thing is dance moves.
Like, the work stuff is obviously, ever and not all, we think about it, but people are allowed to be woke. People are allowed to have these opinions. But to me, this just seems like an obvious waste of people's money. And to be serious about it, if I'm a pensioner living in poverty somewhere, and I'm hearing that we're spending 50 grand here, some guys getting paid 200 grand to watch K-Porn all day, I'd be very irritated about that.
You know what I mean? This is just a colossal, it's not just a waste. A waste is like, we bought too many tables, we had to throw one away. This is actually misspending of taxpayer money. Yeah. If you value honesty, integrity and diversity, all things that are increasingly lacking in established media, then consider supporting us at trigonometry. As a member, you'll get ad free and extended interviews. Plus exclusive content.
Click the membership link on the podcast description or find the exclusive episodes link on your podcast listening app to join us. It's shocking. When I first started covering it, obviously some of it is funny, you know, you have to laugh. There was even someone that got taxpayer funded, funding who called himself a green, like being, like that actually painted green as if it's a gender identity. And they were called using glue, by the way.
But the more I write about it, and I always read the comments when I write for the telegraph about it, and at first people were like, haha, what a joke. Another like what? You know, the rage is growing and fair enough because it is a massive, it's, yeah, it's really bad what's going on. It's an insult to taxpayers, especially when you see people that need funding for illness, cancer care in this country. Isn't great. There are lots of rare diseases, motor neuron disease, for instance.
And pensioners having their fuel allowance. We know there are lots of things lacking in the UK that could do with investment. And we have a political class talking to us about austerity and the what's known, at least not how they make it sound. Do you think also the problem is, is this is what happens? Let's use art to counter England. This is just what happens with state-sponsored art.
You get this nonsense because you're insulated from the reality of having to sell tickets and make a profit, which you have to do on the West End. I think there's an element of it attracting a certain kind of person who wants to, I don't want to say this about everyone in the public sector. There are lots of publicly funded people whose work I really appreciate. Dustin Men, you know, police man, nurses, things like that. There are a lot of people that there's an entitlement to it.
They just think we say brilliant, we should be a state funded. And a certain type of person is attracted to that public sector for that reason. It is very much to do with a bloated state. Some of the people run arts council England, for instance, is run by a positive psychologist who is a bit too positive, in my opinion, about arts and retweets all sorts of stuff that other people would find work and content. So it does attract that sort of person.
But also as well, I mean, I think that, look, if you're putting on a West End musical, you've got to make sure that you can pay the venue, you've got to make sure you pay directs, as the dancers, the actors, all of this stuff. You best make sure you get bums on seats. Yeah. Because if you don't get bums on seats, it's closing and you lose your money. Yeah. Now this is a really good point. Yeah, sorry, I should have answered that one.
But this is a really good point because the one number you never hear about is ticket sales and how much money they make. They only want to talk about money when they want more of it. For instance, the Guardian has some ridiculous articles about it's called its own austerity section. And there's a few talk of cash strapped entities. And one is the South Bank Centre, which receives nearly 20 million sort of around that rate. So it's a huge amount of money.
And yeah, the CEO was in an article headlined cash strapped South Bank Centre. And she was upset because the National Theatre got a bit more funding, a few more million. And you know, you think there was a little violin playing, but it's tens of millions. And they are putting on crap. South Bank Centre, for instance, puts on the trans voices choir for children for five plus. We can come and see transgender people, you know. And those are other... It's like a medieval circus.
Yeah, loads of work things. And then you've got the globe, for instance. You're always going to hear like, oh, the globe, the art's on there, you know, it's on there. And the globe had I, I, Joan, a player about non-binary Joan of Arc. Does anyone want to see that? I had friends that went, who genuinely loved Joan of Arc. They're like huge fans. And when, seriously, and they just said it was completely awful. So you think who's going to that?
There's one, I see the... Have you heard of the Batteries the Arts Centre? Yeah, another BAC. I used to love... Yeah. This is quite a lot. I used to... 20 years or so. I used to love going to the BAC. They always put on really new, interesting new work. It wasn't always great. You know, there was here in Mrs. but there was a lot of people who got their start at the Batteries the Arts Centre. Of really an example of this was Jerry Springer the Opera, which then went on and became a huge hit.
And that started at the BAC. Yeah, it's... It's gone downhill. And it's... So the CEO, I've seen him do a few tweets about austerity and how the arts needs more funding. And they've definitely had a decent amount of funding. I can't remember what to do, but it's in the good level. And the shows they put on, there's a non-binary person or whatever. Doing something called Blood Show. And it's... So it's a female, originally, and they just got blood.
It's even on my website, I think, but they've got blood coming down their face. And they say on their website that they won't work with, like a team of all white men, that sort of thing. And then the other one is that was at the Batteries the Arts Centre. So yeah, you wonder how many want to go and see Blood Show. And then the other one at Batteries the Arts Centre, which I wonder how many people want to go and see was called First Trimester. It was by a trans woman.
Someone who's trying to get pregnant, a female. And searching for a sperm donor on stage, with National Lottery funding, 64,000 of her. And who know? And the worst thing about it, this person had a misdemeanor on the stage, sort of looking for Mr. not so much Mr. Right, the Mr. Plastic Hub. And the worst thing is, I went on their Instagram a while later, and I know even pregnant. So what was the point of that?
You know, not only did we spend a lot of money, with the National Lottery, spend a lot of money on this work thing, not even didn't even get the result from that. How do you be so insensitive to the infertility? So have you tried to reach out to any of these organisations and ask them any questions about why they're doing this, or question any particular projects? Not really.
I did try that there were some, I mean, when I went to an article, I do have to get in touch with them to tell them, to give them right to reply. And there are typical trends in how people reply. A lot of professors don't really want to talk. Because you have to say what you're going to say in your article, when you're able to be quite explicit. And other than that, a few of them wanted to have a go at me, actually.
I don't know about the charity, but other than that, yeah, I just view it as a sort of hostile environment, because for them to be saying those things anyway, we're never going to have a constructive conversation. In general, I always say, people get told off about sticking in their echo chambers, and we're meant to get out of them and talk to people we disagree with. Whereas I think, actually, I like my echo chamber, I don't want to go out of it. I don't want to talk to you.
Other than the legal requirements, I don't want to sit and have a conversation and try and understand someone that thinks, non-minor is a thing, or the women can have a penis, any more than someone who thinks the office flat. Well, we're also talking about here, and this is the other element of it that I find very, very troubling, is that, so you've got this ideology, which is completely dominant. And what it is doing is it's strangling free speech in the arts.
So if you want a type of performance or a play, which is going to be heterodox, which is antithetical to this ideology, that simply isn't going to be produced, is it? No, everything comes down to identity. Everything's viewed, the product is, what's that identity first? And then we'll look at the product.
Whereas you want to, you know, the way you want it around is that the identity is incidental to the product, and good art shouldn't be limited to a certain identity it shouldn't actually come through. And I think that art's, okay, there is, the class is the biggest barrier in the arts, but music especially has always been fairly diverse. But yeah, there's one theatre called Soho Theatre. To wear wealth from the theatre. Yeah, oh, okay, really? Oh, it's the comedy, yeah.
So I used to love that theatre. I mean, it's great. It's great, date, date, date, I was in the theatre, just to kind of have a drink at Soho Theatre. But I knew remember they hounded, though there was an anti-semitism scandal there, where people got hounded out. But I found, I mean, yeah, they've got this, it's called Femmes of Colour. They've got a comedy night on there.
So every woman taking part in it, or non-binary person, is an ethnic minority, or sometimes they're putting it global majority now. And it says, um, white people need to check their privilege when they come through the door. And all of the other shows are, is a lot of trans, ethnic minority. It just, yeah, it's just kind of, it's so reductionist as well. It's quite humanising. It's just doing exactly what the far right do.
The other way is the progressive version of that, because we're all being reduced to our parts. And if they intersect, oh, well, that's brilliant, especially, you know, if you're global majority and you're transgender, oh, brilliant. Like, we really want those kind of people. Oh, white and straight, and a mouth off, and this hatred, oh god, oh, no thanks. So, in other words, this ideology is really permeated this sector.
I mean, we knew that that's one of the reasons we started the show, when we were in the comedy industry. This was already happening back seven years ago whenever we started. But it just sounds like this is the dominant world view now. And that's fine, except I don't understand why the British taxpayers paying for it. Yeah, it's strange. It does feel like we're not living in a secular society, that there is a dominant religion and that art and publicly funded institutions now serve to perpetuate.
It does feel cosy religious, you know, because all the artist is telling the power bells of work. It's there to, you know, you kind of know what pillars there are in work. It's racial identity, why does the original sin, and there's a sort of pyramid of race that's meant to be more oppressed than the other. It's transgenderism. They're not so much interested in feminism now. It's more that sort of thing, environmental movement as well. There's no as arc vibes to it, to be honest.
The idea that we've hurt the earth and God's going to punish us. And all our money is just being used to embed this. And if you don't like it as well, say you don't like the film that came out a few years ago about the Me Too movement, I was a bit silly. I don't, you know, I didn't really like that. That's a bad example, but all like say Jane I, Jane of Arc. Oh, she wasn't non-binary, that's true. If you insult the parables, you could be blasphemous and told off.
But yeah, it is ridiculous that, especially because it all happened under a conservative government. That's the punchline really, isn't it? Because, and this is something you've spoken about, and I find it actually quite powerful that on the one hand, you have the conservative government going, you know, we don't agree with this, we don't agree with this. And then they're just shoveling a lot of money to these organisations who were just producing these nonsense.
Yeah, they, in my experience, they're always saying one thing and funding the opposite. For instance, they were, Liz Truss and Camille Badernaug were great on gender identity. They were really, really tough on her. But then I looked at funding for, say, hate crime charities and ones that endorse all that terminology, all the gender identity in that government grounds. In fact, this hate crime charity I found was funded by my own council and Camden council.
So they were getting hundreds of thousands over the years. And in addition to perpetuating all this terminology that the central government were trying to oppose, they were also funding rainbow paddling sessions at, it's called Camden Pirates. You can go canoeing there. They were just funding jolies for gay people and LGBT. And they even had film sessions. Sorry, these like euphemisms like paddling and canoeing. No, they just don't like coddling.
They genuinely were going to this place called the Pirates. Yeah, it's not like Pagan Masculine, it's the gun. Okay. Sorry, I'm just, you carry on, Charlotte. Yeah, so this was my, yeah, and this just brings me to another point. So, yeah, so this central government, I don't know what the hell they were actually. And then local government as well, they always go on about austerity. You're always hearing them in the news saying, oh, we're on our knees for a while.
I think as many of them have gone bankrupt. Yeah, Birmingham Council have gone bankrupt. I know they hired food justice consultants. And they had, they had this food justice online event. Some of these online events are hilarious as well. It's like four views. And you'll see the council there'll be like, I'm so excited to be here today.
You know, and the guy, one of the guys leading it, I just found him saying he introduced his talk about food justice by saying something like food is really important. I mean, we all need it to survive. You know, like, why are we paying for this? But you'll just find huge numbers of examples of councils that, yeah, the, yeah, the LGBT rainbow paddlers. And they also had like queer creative art sessions.
They were getting, it was something hundreds of thousands each from Camden in Islington while they were saying they actually, my council actually said it was prioritising frontline services. And I was like, uh, and they're not because they are going, they're going, they're going, kayaking, yeah. So because coming from a background in education where you were, you were there going, we do not have enough money. We do not class sizes are huge.
We've got kids who have got special needs and not getting the support that they require. But. And you go, these are things and we've also got especially post-COVID. There's so many kids now who are struggling with mental health issues. All of that, you go, this is where we require funding. This is where we require money. This is what's important. The next generation. And then we're going, well, there's no money for that.
There's no money cams, the children's, a children and mental health services. That's, uh, that they just, you know, they're on their knees. You can't get an appointment there for the kids. However, yeah, we can get some gay people to go paddling. It's, honestly, it's crazy. One, the amount of things that we now fund while the government is telling everyone that we've got no money left. For instance, I saw West streeting the other day.
He did a talk at the Labour Party conference for something called the IPPR. It's the Institute for Programme. I can't remember the exact title, but it's one of these think tanks. And so many of them have really a not-cure sounding name. So no one ever looks into them. Whereas they're like, oh, toughed in streets. Sorry, I went a bit northern there, but. But, yeah, so I thought, I thought, this is often how it happens. I went, oh, this IPPR and what?
Well, it's West streeting talking for them, talking ding-tuff for them. And I went on to their funding. Obviously, we're paying for our way. I went on to the, it's another chat. There are a lot of charities that you wouldn't actually think were really charities. But the IPPR is charity. And I looked into its accounts and I saw there's something like 300,000 pounds in taxpayer money. And this is a charity that gets funding from lots of other sources as well.
Huge numbers of different ones, like, found it. So it's not really badly off. But it puts that very contentious stuff to a lot of taxpayers. It loves, like, it's promoting electric vehicles. You know, a lot of people don't like that idea. It was talking about how to combat the far right. It had this really funny, I thought it was quite funny. The vlog it had about it because it just had this, it just had this man who looked like he shops in JD sports with a skinhead fighting the police.
You know, it's as if they think Hitler would have been in, well, that's not true. Yeah, just a shopped in JD sports, basically. They just think, the Nazis had tastes. They had Hugo Bosch. Yeah, they wouldn't do that. I know, right. But I just, yeah, I was just shocked that we're funding this IPPR. We're funding. Have you heard of the universities UK? No. This is the thing. Whenever I know, whenever says yes, when I ask them, have you heard of this, that we're funding with all these projects?
So, universities, universities UK gets about, it's had about 17 million in taxpayer funding over the years. And it basically lobby's for universities is the, all of its content is saying they're really great. We need to spend more on them, like more than we are currently, which is just under 9 billion a year from one quango. And so, yeah, so they're just putting out lots of, let's fund universities.
And we're paying for them to be around, whereas some taxpayers don't want to pay more the universities, which they are. Do you know what I mean? Like, we are paying for a lobby group for universities because it's deemed a charity. There's just so many instances of this. We should be able to vote on their proposal, not have to fund their making the proposals.
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I mean, I do kind of know what's going to happen with labour, but I think I always think that we're going to have another person's revolt because the conditions are there. Stop using kirstamas language. But I think a lot of people, there's real growing awareness, even work ways, the views are growing by 10,000, like 10,000 per month now, a lot of it's getting out on the papers.
And especially with the interest, the registered interest that came out about the labour party, people are becoming aware of just how bad problems with funding are. If you look through, I don't know if you've looked through the MP's register of interest. It's about, I don't know if I need to explain to listeners what it is. They should, yes. It spells out every MP in Parliament. It shows who they've received funding from, if they work for anywhere, unpaid or otherwise, if they have any shares.
And it's about 780 pages long. It came out a few weeks ago. And for the media, the main story was noidle forage. Because of his salary, he had a really good, that's something like a hundred k per month from GB News. So that was a story that, like, done. He's the bad dear, dark funding, Russia, whatever they want to say. You know, oh, he gets paid a lot. That must be really bad. Let's just do loads of stories about that. I have been looking at this.
I'm still on B, right, out of the whole alphabet. There's so much gold in it. The number of people are generally more aware now that there's a whole lot of unions in there. So all of the Labour MPs, it's like you can just find out who the real Prime Minister is in that document. There's someone called Gary Lobner. He just funds absolutely everyone. People know about Del Vence, that he puts a lot of money into the Labour Party.
So we've got this double issue of, we've got all the work stuff that they want to spend more money on anyway, but we're also having to look at the funders and what the funders want to try and ascertain what policies we're going to get, because they make it quite clear a lot of these funders what they like. And when you're looking at Labour policies, you just think, well, it's probably just them rather than you. So, I mean, let's take this to, do you know who they are?
These Gary Lobner and Del Vence, who are these people? So Del Vence is, do you know that Ecoscentristy found it? He's in the news quite a lot. He's been at the Labour Conference. He runs several energy companies. He's used to fund the Extinction Rebellion and Just Up Oil, and he's given five million to the Labour Party. I don't know that much yet about Gary Lobner, because I only start, I only really clocked his name, although there are quite a few stories about him in the press.
Another one's Liz Bet Rouser. I think she's Swedish, she's philanthropist, and she has funded Labour very generously. But of course, that means that you end up having to look into them and what they want, because there's no such thing as a free launch. And they're all really into the environment, quite a lot, obviously, they want wind power.
Things that might not necessarily be good for breads as a lot of people have said, but might be good for other people that have shares, because they've put them in renewables. I mean, one example to go into the whole Ecoscentristy is, do you know what the Climate Change Committee is? No. So we have a committee. This is part of the reason, by the way, that we have all these funding holes, because to pan back a bit, Tony Blair splintered democracy a lot. He exported it into Kwangos.
He had devolution on him. His whole approach was splintering everything, so that the government, even though we have a central government, its powers are so much more weakened. So the Climate Change Committee was one of these blare-right institutions and it's meant to help us reach net zero. So it's a task force, rather like the migration observe, advisory committee and the OBR, Office of Budget Responsibility. It's a task force designed to help us meet net zero targets.
Now, we don't vote for it. Most people have never heard of it, and the people involved have shares in renewable and energy companies. And I think that creates a really big problem, obviously, if they had shares in oil, and they would decide energy policy, that would be a really big problem. But I think because it's green, it must be good. And also when things are in plain sight, people don't... plain sight is the biggest hiding space for things.
Another example is, do you know the MP Chris Skidmore? Chris Skidmore. He's a bit of a Tory wet, I would say. He was... I think he was the person that signed net zero into law. And he's kind of how I got into researching environmental funding, actually, because I just saw him post a lot about net zero. I thought, well, he's a bit enthusiastic about this.
And I just thought money, money. And I went onto his registered interest, and he was getting paid 80,000 per year by something called the emissions capture company. He also got 40,000 a year from an education, some sort of education higher at company. And Kelsa Praes, he was very enthusiastic about higher education and net zero. He's written a book on why net zero is great. He's now left as an MP. I don't think that's cooler at all.
I don't see why he should... I think that is a really big registered interest issue. And sorry, because I've gone on a real round circle, but Labour are going to be awful because they have a lot of green funders. And things that you can't even really find, I find in the document. I can't... There's one company I couldn't find, but I could find in it without going on a host's field. But it just means... The electorate is not...
Like, they see something in front of them and they're like, yeah, we're waiting for that. They would have to go through 780 pages, look through all that. Do what I'm doing, basically. Go to the UK or go to the charity commission, go to Arts Council England and work out what they're waiting for and paying for it at the same time. Sorry, that was a bit... That was a bit heavy. So, I mean, again, I use that word corruption, but it sort of is, isn't it, really?
Because it's these politicians who are being financially incentivised to then carry out the wishes of the people funding them. Well, you know, one has to be careful using the word corruption. I actually come from a family of lawyers, say. So I always avoid using that word. Well, all of this is legal, right? They're not breaking the law any of them. It is, yeah, all of it is legal. I'm not saying it's right. I think it's more... Yeah, I think it's wrong, yeah.
Yeah. So take corruption back otherwise you'll get sued. Yeah. Okay, I'll take corruption back. He didn't mean corruption. He meant your crooks. I mean, you're morally corrupt. No, but it is wrong, but they get away with it. And it's a totally unlabour by the way. This should be every side. This, yeah, Tory Labour Greens, Jeremy Corbyn as well. What is Jeremy Corbyn's interest? So he gets about 15,000 from...
That seems quite a few, but he gets about 15,000 from an organisation called We Deserve Better. And I think Jeremy Corbyn, We Deserve Better than me, finding it really hard to get all the details of We Deserve Better when I googled it. And also, Khaled Deneur, do you know the Green MP? So she also gets funded by them about the same amount. And yes, I did Google We Deserve Better. The main thing that I... Even saying Google, you know, I feel a bit... Because Google has funding in our democracy.
So I don't want to give it a plug even. But the main... I think Google pre-bakers is. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I mean, it funds study, can't I see in this element. So I... Yeah, I typed in We Deserve Better. Long story short, it was the address that took me to some interesting things on company's house. I essentially found what looks like left-winged Tufton Street. It's...
That the address linked to the company that funds Khaled Deneur and Jeremy Corbyn is also associated with, like, the four-day week loads of other work projects going on at that address. And you just end up going down more rabbit holes because they're... They've had events at that address that are really woke. Yeah, so I'm still trying to work out what We Deserve Better is. But that's... That's the issue because...
When you don't know, when people say, what is We Deserve Better than you wonder when Khaled Deneur and Corbyn are saying, we need this, you think you or someone in the background that wants you to push this message. And they're going to want something in return, you know. And a lot of these groups have... They have crossover. They will have people that have spoken for one route. And then you can find them in another campaign group. A lot of links to green industry. It's...
The worrying thing is that what you're doing is highlighting a very real, very important issue, joking aside. And the worry is for me, it's waste of public funds. But even more worrying than that, I don't think this is going to be sorted. And it's just going to be a continual drain on our finances. And if anything, under Labour, which prefers big state, it's going to get worse, surely. Yeah, I... I think it's going to be an interesting... I really don't know what to expect, actually.
I'm not really quite confident in my predictions. But I think it's going to be the most bureaucratic revolution of all time, because what I'm trying to do with wokewaces all day, as much as possible, which is not possible for one person, there's so much.
I do get a lot of offers of help, but we can only fight the system, you know, once we've... once we've got our spreadsheet, but we have to get it all out, because people haven't known what's going on, and they talk about the blog, that's the word that they give, this beast. And I'm trying to deblobify the blog and bring it to the surface, because then you can set about saying, we don't want this. But I do think...
This is why I joke about the peasants for a while, because I think there's a point where it tips over, and people say, no, we cannot... I didn't hang you out to do this for the next time I'll see, but they're going to say, no more, you cannot have any more of our money. And this... the democracy that we're seeing is also fantastical, you know, we have rise in a democracy. What... you're warped to version, I don't think people are going to be that much happy with for that much longer.
And without Kirstalma putting me in jail, he's not going to have that much space eventually, if people really do get fed up. But the thing is, yeah, the reason why I say it's going to be a bureaucratic revelation is there's no use... I think I saw Thomas from the apprentice, Thomas Skinner saying, like, all right, I'm going to go out to the street and... And there's no use doing that. You have to unpick it.
You have to go to the underworld and get it all up and look at it and then say what systems we need. You know, you need a Javier Millet, you know, from Argentina. FWERA type of movement to get it all out. But yeah, just going around the street, going, I'm not going to work. And I actually think that's one of the worst things about it because it feels like we've been screwed over by... it's like lawyers from Islington, the Winter University. You know, it just feels like the...
They're not even the intelligentsia, but sort of horrible, educated elites conspired to create all this horrible legislation and quangoes that would be very difficult for a lot of people to try and unpick. Well, Charlotte, thanks for coming and talking to us about it. Keep up the research. Before we move over where our audience get to ask you their questions, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be?
I think I've got so many different things, but I'll go with one a bit rogue. Genetic sexual attraction. So we know that it's... Yeah, very tangential. So we know that I don't know more people using technology to have children, say sperm donation, and egg donation and things like that, but not many people know that there's a really big risk of incest from it in the past. In terms of when adults meet, close relatives meet an adult herd.
There's something that can happen called genetic sexual attraction. And it's when they're just powerfully attracted to each other because you're meant to desensitize as a child close relatives as romantic prospects. And because we've had such an explosion, I mean, there's a Netflix documentary at the moment about a Dutch guy that fathered hundreds, maybe thousands of kids. He just enjoyed it. The people doing it on Facebook. There are these clinics.
I think we can have a real issue of it in the future. And I think that's something people are being really naive about. But maybe not if they watch trigonometry. That's right. There you go. Now we're all aware of in breathing. Yeah. Excellent. Well, head on over and get answers to your questions. Mocker says, how do you think this work crusade through the institutions of the taxpayers expenses going to end? This episode is brought to you by LifeLock.
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