Happy Podcast Day everybody. It's Therapy Natters time, a chance to learn a bit more about something to do with therapy. Whether that's from a client's perspective or a therapist's perspective, every day's a school day here. I'm Richard Nicholls and I'm joined by fellow psychotherapist, Fiona Biddle, as always. How are things over there in Fiona land? Fiona?
You couldn't remember where I was then, could you?
Well, I know it's Cheltenham and I've been to your house, you're in a lovely little place. I'm not gonna give your address away. That'd be weird. But yeah, it's a lovely place.
It's a lovely place and yes, everything's fine. And yeah, it feels, it feels very positive and we've got a nice positive subject to talk about today, don't we?
I think so. Yes. I put a message out to my, well, actually we said this last week, we were just nattering and you said, or it was the week before, wasn't it? Before we did Gordon's. And you said, we haven't spoke about weight loss, have we? And considering that's a massive topic that people bring into therapy, especially for hypnotherapists. It would be good to talk about that. And especially as when this comes out, it's not quite there yet, but it's almost Midsummer's Day.
Although a client mentioned to me yesterday that we've had the dullest and cloudiest year on record, so far. It's been really gray and I thought, I hadn't noticed, but now that he mentions it, yeah. Really dull and gray.
Yeah, I've, I've really noticed we get the old little bit of sunshine and then I'm going, oh, springs here. Oh, oh no, it's gone away again. Yes, it's
Well, well, I
Oh yes,
I think it might be starting about now and by the time this episode comes out in a week or so's time,
Hopefully, hopefully.
it.
Daft to link weight loss, or I prefer term weight control, but we'll talk about that a bit to the summer. But it is in the minds of an awful lot of people. In the winter if you've got some lumps and bumps that you would really rather not have, then it's much easier to cover those up. Then and, and, and forget about them to put it aside. And it's this time of year, I think when people start to feel a bit more excited about getting up and at 'em and doing things and feel a bit more motivated.
So it does all tie in with this, time of year to take a bit more control of your weight. And many people listening to this, I expect, will be sort of, what earth do you mean taking control of your weight? What's the problem? And I, remember working once as a supervisor with a therapist who was a ex-professional sportsman, and he just could not get his head around why anybody would ever put on an extra pound. And I did say to him, Please do not work with anybody.
Do not, do not, just, not, not even specialize. Do not take on a client because if you can't empathize with it, but most of us can. I certainly can. I've been probably most of my adult life that there's, it's been um, I'd like to be a little bit lighter. And sometimes Certainly before I had Jack I'd gone up quite a bit. I mean, I've never been huge but it's been there as a, as a something.
That time was when I was working in a corporate world and the ethos was business lunches, going for drinks after work, going home, eating. Cooking was a big part of my life and there wasn't that much time for exercise, although we will talk about activity in a bit. But one of the research things is that exercisers and non exercisers have as much free time as the other. It's, it's an excuse.
Yeah.
If you want to be active, if you want to do physical things with your body, there will be time to do it. Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't people who can't for physical reasons, but just be aware. Don't use that as an excuse. Oh, too busy. No, no.
You made a joke on WhatsApp this morning we were just talking about an attitude towards weight loss. And you said, oh, are you okay with this sort of. Income versus expenditure attitude towards weight loss. And you know that I am, cause you've known me for 20 years
I was just checking and I didn't know you were gonna mention it.
Well, I think it's worth it because, because when I said, oh yeah, absolutely, you went, because then it's simple, isn't it? Just, well make sure if you wanna lose weight, just make sure that the energy you put out there is just that tiny, tiny bit more than the energy you put in there. It's simple, isn't it? And then you put a laughing face because you know that, although on paper, of course, it's simple. Most people don't need a great deal of education.
Some do, but most people know what's healthy and what's not and know that well, if I'm consuming fewer calories that I'm putting out there, then I'm gonna lose weight. Yep. On paper. It genuinely is that simple. Doing it
I do think we, before we go on to the rest, I think we need to address that bit because there are so many podcasts Instagram posts, theories all sorts of things that you can easily access that try to push people away from that basic formula.
Oh yeah. It's all about the chia seeds apparently, according to a listener who messaged me yesterday.
It is the case that if you take in more energy than you expend, you'll put on weight. And if you expend more energy than you take in, you will lose weight. That's just physics. I'm not big on physics, but I can understand that bit. But then you get into the complexities such as with chia seeds as an example. It's the, the, there is no research that suggests that they are, well, anything other than perhaps a nutritious food.
Hmm.
But, personally speaking, I would rather have my nutritious food from something that tastes nice rather than, perhaps what this does is it bulks so it stops you feeling hungry. And the hungry factor, I mean, you might be able to do the science on this. I'm not very good on it, but the the hormones, grehlin and another
Oh, leptin.
Leptin. Yeah. But If you are feeling fuller you're less likely to feel hungry, but then hormones affect your hunger levels. So when you hear stories about um,
The one simple trick to get rid of your belly fat.
yes, but I was doing it the other way around. If you hear that that a, a particular medication, for example, a side effect is putting on weight
Ah.
It's not that you put on weight because you take the medication, it's that you are hungrier and therefore you eat more and therefore you put on more weight.
Yeah. So you need to compensate.
Hunger is a a particular thing and things like chia seeds and there's lots of them, appetite suppressants, they just make you feel fuller and therefore you aren't so hungry.
Yeah. We know as therapists that our mindset plays an enormous part and people can overcomplicate trying to lose weight because they've been told all their life, how difficult it is by books trying to take their money. And if somebody can sell you a diet plan, which is the way to lose weight, then if they can make it really complicated, then you'll sign up for it because, hey, I can't do this on my own I need some help.
I'm always a bit suspicious about somebody trying to take your money just because if you no longer need their product, you are not gonna be paying them any money anymore. Now as therapists, we want our clients to get happier and then go away and not come back. And it's quite sad when we lose their, lose our clients, but it's part of the job. We create a relationship with somebody, we get to really know them and we wish them well, and we never see them again.
And we grieve a little bit and they will live happily ever after. But if there's a model that says in order to keep your weight at the correct level, you've got to be on this particular plan, then be a little bit suspicious. There are some diets, and I hate the word diet. Let me just say before we go any further that if you want to lose some weight, please do not go on a diet. Change your diet cuz you might need to, if you gained weight because of your diet, your diet might need to change.
But your diet, will need to change probably permanently for the rest of your life. Your diet needs to change. So in order for that to be sustainable, please don't go on a seriously calorie restricting, low calorie diet. That is, there is no research to suggest that that's a good idea on the whole, there might be one in 10. Well, actually, no, I'm not gonna quote statistics cuz I don't know.
There might be some people that they go on a diet for six months, they do really well and they're sorted for the rest of their days. But for a lot of people that come to us, they're yo-yoing every few months up and down, up and down and, and they say, I'm 50 now. I've been on a diet for 35 years, they'll genuinely sit in front of us and say, I've been on a diet for 35 years. Well, how's that working out for you? Oh, but we can't have a time machine. Go back 35 years and go, don't go on a diet.
Just change your diet.
Yeah. Just to say there is some science that suggests a severely calorifically controlled diet might help for severely obese people, particularly with diabetes. So,
say, do it now or, you know,
But that's, that's not really what we are talking about here, but I think we need to say that, that, so if you are in that category, then it needs to be under a doctor's control. But we're talking about people who
wanna go down a dress size or two.
this time of the year they look in the mirror and they go, oh, that's a bit bumpier than I thought it was. Or, I want to wear this dress for a wedding, or whatever it might be. Those sorts of things rather than the severe. Health arena. Yeah. So another factor that people often forget and this, this is probably I mean each individual needs to think about it, but it's probably more directed to therapists than than individuals, cuz each individual will know.
It's quite common for therapists to sort of ask the client, how much do you weigh? Let's say the, the answer is 17 stone. How much do you want to weigh? 10 stone. Okay, so you need to lose seven stone. Let's work that out. Three and a half thousand calories equals one pound. How many calories do you need to go down each day until you get to your target weight, what they are forgetting. I mean, you know, that calculation is, is a, is a valid one.
But the thing they haven't asked in that is how long did it take you to get to 17 stone? If they were 10 stone a year ago? No, that's a silly one. Two years ago, three years ago. And then uh, 17 stone and they're 50. That's a very, very different scenario from if they were somebody who was always a bit overweight and it gradually has gone up over the years. And when you do the reverse calculation, it quite often comes down to a really small. What's the opposite of deficit?
Where you've got too much, too many calories intake as opposed to the the expenditure. It can work out as, as not that much difference, in which case the change to their diet might actually not need to be that much.
mm-hmm.
And people tend to think, you know, if they're really overweight, they think, oh, I've got to do something drastic.
Yeah.
You don't necessarily have to do anything drastic. You can let that weight come off slowly in the way that it went on slowly.
Yeah.
The issue there that needs to be also born in mind is that there wasn't a brake as in B R A K E, not B R E A K. There wasn't anything stopping them at some point. And so going back to what I said about myself being a bit podgier than I would've liked to have been, there was a point at which it was, that's enough.
Mm-hmm.
And Greg did say one time when he was about 14, so when I was about 45 or something like that, and I said, oh, something about being podgy. And he agreed with me. And I was then, oh, you're not supposed to agree with me. You're not, you're supposed to say, you know, it's fine. Anyway, he then said, but who's ever met a teddy bear who isn't a bit podgy?
Oh wow.
Brilliant Greg. Brilliant response. Cuz he just completely, it completely took it away. And so, yes. But yeah, so anybody who's sort of got beyond a point of where, where is your, where is your brake? And some people don't have one. You know, we see TV programs. There was one thing I saw probably on Instagram the other day of somebody who couldn't get out of their house,
Hmm.
Because they were too big to go through the doors. Now they don't have a brake, whereas, Again, speaking personally, I had a brake that was at about 10 stone. Now, that's not saying that that's right, wrong, whatever, but it's something to consider.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it is. It might need a bit of patience. I think we do live in a society that says the quicker the better. I want to cure. And I remember, oh, this is going back obviously back in the very early days of me becoming a therapist and I, and I mentioned the leaflets that I put out there that said, quit smoking, lose weight, hypnotherapy works. And I think somebody must have stopped me in the street and said, How? How can hypnosis help people lose weight?
Just the words can just magic the fat away. Don't be ridiculousnessand they stroppedpped off. And I thought, they're not gonna be a, client of mine, so I'm not gonna bother trying to correct them. It's not, it's not the therapy that makes people lose weight.
The therapy helps people with motivation, helps people with a little bit of education, helps people with some optimism and positive thinking, and also helps to address what's going on underneath that caused any weight gain in the first place. Because if we are dissatisfied, our brain is gonna look for ways of getting satisfaction. And of course, food is easy, isn't it? It's instant. Yum, yum. That tastes nice in my mouth, that feels good in my belly. Done.
it feels good in your belly, so you feel good. And there are the, the hormones, dopamine, and so on that come from it. eating some processed sugary foods can make you feel better. But the way that I'll often look at this is, is to look at the fact that it's about choices.
Most people listening to this as adults know that every minute of every day you have a choice as to whether you are eating or drinking or not, and if so, what you are eating or drinking, I mean, Richard has got a cup of something in his hand. It is
It's a black tea.
it's a black tea. Mine is my, mine is my pineapple and something
Oh, this is um, spiced apple and vanilla.
Right. But neither of these have got any calories and we are choosing to have them. But it could be
hot,
hot, chocolate
Yeah.
with whipped cream. Um, it.
And sprinkles.
It could be, it could be alcohol. you know, I mean, during lockdown that did happen once or twice in a tricky meeting. I might have had a bit of wine in a mug, but, you know, anyway, that's, that's a, I'm not alone in that, am I? No,
No, you're not alone in that. I've had lots of clients say they did that. Yeah.
Yeah. And you have to have the teabag tag over the side. So it makes it look. But anyway, that is another story. But to the point, we have a choice every moment of every day of, of whether we are eating or drinking and what. Now, when I was a kid, I didn't have that choice. I was given my food at particular times of the day. You know, I mean, I, I came from a nice home and there would've been times when I could have something a little extra.
And I remember, and apologies if I said this before, but I, I remember one time going up to my mother and saying, can I have a sweet mommy? And my father happened to be there, and he said, you've already got one. Because I'd got a sweet mommy,
Oh, I see.
but I didn't understand that. I just knew that I had to say, mommy, can I have a sweet? But I didn't know why I had to say it that way round and not, can I have a sweet mummy? So I, I worked out my English on that. and occasionally I would get a sweet if I asked it properly. But you know, you wouldn't get a Mars bar. It would be a little bit of something.
And sometimes we'd watch a TV program in the evening, a, a comedy or something, and, and they would cut up a Mars bar into eight pieces and we would have two each. Yeah.
Just keep it in the fridge and then you easier to cut it up and you'd share it out.
and at, School we didn't have any choices. You ate what you were given or you didn't, and so, We have this massive, massive choice situation now. It can be difficult to stay in the present and make the right choice for the present, but not just that. Because right now, It might be, you know, you're just talking about hot chocolate with marshmallows and sprinkles and I, I think, oh, that sounds really nice. I'll have one of those now because it's okay, But it's not the right time to have a treat.
So have treats at the right time. And also so in the present, but the bigger picture of how does that fit into the time scale. And if you are in the process of wanting to reduce your weight, that time scale's a long one or can be. And so it's, it's keeping the, present moment and the bigger time scale altogether at once. So let's say I did. Succumb to that temptation of a hot chocolate. And we finish this recording in another 10 minutes and then I go and make one. Half an hour later.
So what, what was the point of doing that. And that can be a really helpful thing in terms of things like sweets and chocolate. And if you have one piece of a Mars bar, cut your own Mars bar into eight pieces. Have a piece that was nice in 10 minutes, is it gonna be any different whether you had it or you didn't have it. And certainly if you have another piece in 10 minutes, it makes no difference. So it makes it easier to choose what is right for you
.And what is right for you is what's right for you. So sometimes it will be right to have something a little bit extra. And sometimes it won't. And just going back to that idea about the chia seeds, I just wanted to make sure we covered this. We are not nutrition experts. We can't give nutritional advice. But we don't really need to because our government gives us enough
yeah, I, I've just be careful what you consume on social media cuz like I say, people want your attention, they want your money, they will make things up and they want likes. So there will be people that are not nutritional therapists that know absolutely nothing at all. That just want your attention and they'll make something up and they'll be very convincing and they'll have lots of followers on TikTok, but it's still lies. They still made it up.
They just wanted your attention cause they wanted to be popular. That's all. Take everything you see with a pinch of salt.
That's reminded me of a book. The End of Overeating by David Kessler. He's a completely legit guy. He was head of the Food and Drugs Administration in the US. Professor at Yale or Stanford or both. And it's quite a heavy book, so good for your weightlifting, but you can dip in and out of it, but also you probably can get the gist of it online. There's stuff in there about the food industry.
And how the fast food industry particularly, he doesn't say exactly, they didn't sit around a table and say, how can we get people to eat more? I think it's more subtle than that, but the, the factors that come into it are the opposite of what our government suggests. So if we say less sugar, less salt. Less fat, more fiber. What the main sort of fast food places, and that doesn't just have to be the burger joints and pizza joints. It's uh, up to most chain restaurants.
Not all, not all the, not lumping everybody together. They do it the other way around. They have less fiber, more salt, more sugar, more fat. And by eating those in combination it heightens the chemical response in the brain and makes you really like it. So it's really, really good. Two other factors. One is that they, well, it comes down to the fiber, but they make these things really easy to digest. So he uses the term adult baby food, so it's terribly easy to eat.
Anything from a typical burger chain you don't have to chew it very much. It just goes down easily, so you eat more. And the, the final one, which I find it's absolutely fascinating, is that if we have different things either on a plate or within a meal, We are much more likely to eat more of it. So if you think about a typical Italian meal, and we, we know that the Mediterranean diet is, is a healthier one. Part of it might be because you have one thing there. So you have a bowl of pasta.
It's got one flavour running throughout
Mm-hmm.
So when you've got one flavour you stop sooner than if you are chopping and changing between different flavours. So if you look at some menus, this will be sit down restaurants, but the, the sort of cheaper end of chain restaurants. One I saw it was king prawns in a sweet chili sauce, served with coleslaw, onion rings, garlic bread, and fries.
Yeah,
Now, all of those things separately, you think, well, it's together because you, you're switching flavours from one to another. And this theory also explains why you can be absolutely full and you still want pudding
yeah, yeah. Because it's variety. It's something different.
is something different and your taste buds go, oh, that's nice. I'll have
Yep. Yeah, One thing I think is important is to make sure that you eat foods that you enjoy, and that doesn't necessarily mean, oh, that I could just pig out on pizza. No. It might mean learning to enjoy foods that you didn't before. I remember teaching myself how to like bananas once purely just to see if I could, took about a month, and I went from having an absolute revulsion to them to wanting one every day.
And if I do need a snack I do go through a, a banana now rather than a piece of chocolate. And that's been quite handy. And that process meant I had to have a banana every day for six weeks. If we need to do that so we can start to enjoy healthier food and not associate them with denial. And that's the important thing, that we don't associate the foods that we eat with being denied because that's what produces the grehlin.
If we feel, oh, that was rubbish, we're still gonna be hungry, even if we're full and we know that. Just from the, the simplest of placebo experiments. Here's a funny experiment that was done a couple of years ago, Fiona with the milkshakes. So, get a load of volunteers into uh, what they were told, I think, is that they were testing their blood sugar after certain milkshakes.
They were actually testing their hormone levels, leptin, which is a hormone the body produces when we feel satisfied and grehlin, which is one that we produce when we feel denied, we still feel hungry. So they were monitoring people's blood. Some people were given a milkshake and were told this is a high calorie super, really intense quality milkshake. Yum, yum. Get this down you.
And they monitored their blood for a couple of hours and then at another time they were given a low calorie milkshake and they were told to monitor their blood. Both milkshakes were the same, but when they were told that it was a diet one, they produced more grehlin and less leptin. So they didn't feel as satisfied with the diet one because in their mind it was just a diet one. When they were told it was a luxury one, they produced more of the, Ooh, that was nice, lovely, lovely chemicals.
Just because they were told what it was. It was just a belief. And if our mind can do that, then we need to use up to our advantage. And it means that the foods that we put in front of us, we need to associate with being satisfying. And this is the issue that we've got with things that are labeled as diet, diet Coke, diet Pepsi, diet this, diet that, diet lasagna. We are probably gonna look at that and go, that'll be crap. And we're gonna eat it.
We're not gonna enjoy it as much as we would if we just ate a normal one. So we'll want more afterwards, and that's when we'll have the garlic bread, and that's when we'll have the dessert. We need to get our head around that so that we don't spoil things for ourself, because slimming stuff can make things worse not better, in the long run. It really, really can. Makes it harder. Makes it painful to try and lose weight, and it shouldn't be that hard.
Yeah. So addressing the, the beliefs around food, and I think there's two things. One, we did an episode on anchoring a while back, didn't we? And so I'd suggest if that's not a term that's obvious to you, have a little look at that one or even a little listen to that one. But then rather than buying a lasagna that's designed to be low calorie because it's going to have stuff shoved in it to replace the bits that are nice and tasty.
Use fresh food and I, I know that there will be people screaming at me saying fresh food costs a lot.
Yeah.
And it can do, yeah. If you go to Waitrose and you want to buy some fresh fruit and you go and and buy their pot of pomegranate, that costs five quid. Yeah. It does. But all the supermarkets have the seasonal things that are reasonably cheap and making carrots and cabbage and onions and potatoes and things like that into a nice soup with spices and stock. And it can be, it can be really simple and cheap, so it doesn't have to be, but that's a belief system as well.
But I'm not, yes, of course some of these things cost a lot, but some of the cheap stuff is just going to fill you. In one sense, but not make you happy. So you need both. I think before we finish, we do need to talk a bit more about activity,
Absolutely. Yes. Yes.
Because that's the other side of the equation. It's what you take in and what you expend, and I said earlier, about some people struggle for whatever physical reasons they might have. But also people can very easily have again, sort of anchors and beliefs from childhood. This particularly applies to women, but not just, of the pain of school, PE lessons being made to do things is embarrassing and couldn't do it, and it was painful. And so the develop a I can't mentality.
We are not saying you have to join aerobics class, you have to do Zumba, you have to do a couch to 5k, you have to run a half marathon, you have to do this, have to do that. No,
You do what works for
you do what works for you and a bit more than you were doing is good. And for most people, sort of starting small, if you live in a house that's got a loo upstairs and a loo downstairs, if you are downstairs and you need the loo, go upstairs. And
Hmm. It's a good habit. Yeah.
If you work in an office where there's stairs, use the stairs rather than lift, if you work on the fifth floor and you think, oh my God, I can't possibly do that. Well do the stairs to the second floor and then get the lift.
Hmm.
If you are in London and you're going on the tube walk on the escalator or part of it, you don't have to do the whole thing. I mean, sometimes Holborn tube station, I mean, God, you look at that you think, oh my God, I can't possibly do that. Well do a bit of it. And then step into the other side, or step into the other side and then do the last bit.
It's building in little bits here and there, and every little bit of activity adds up to a weight loss in the same way as every little extra bit of food adds up to a weight gain.
Yeah.
So it's, it's changing your mindset into being. I'm the one who will do that bit of activity. And if exercise is a word where you go, oh God, no, I don't wanna do that, change it into activity. And you'll find that you get feel good hormones from doing a bit of activity. And if you walk on the escalator and walk past other people, you feel smug too. Oh, smug is an underrated emotion.
Oh, okay. yeah, I'm up
that. Yeah, I did that. They're all standing there. I did that. It's okay. It's good.
Yeah. Absolutely. And I know a lot of people don't identify as somebody who would do that sort of thing, and that's the first place to look at. Because they look at themselves in the mirror maybe and go, well, I'm not the sort of person who does that. Well, no, you haven't been, but you can be. There is nothing stopping you, more than likely, from becoming that, but it just. It's gonna feel weird first, and that's okay. Change feels unusual.
It will feel out of character, whether that's eating slower so that you can recognise that you're satisfied with your meal and go, oh, I can leave some food on my plate. And that's the reason why hypnotherapy particularly can be quite useful for people, is you can learn that that's a normal thing to do. You've been told all your life from day one to make sure you finish everything on your plate. No you don't. That's a bit of a coincidence, isn't it?
That the exact amount of food you needed in that moment was the exact amount put right down in front of you. No. Challenge that belief. And if you need to leave food on your plate, you leave food on your plate without criticism. If you need to change your belief that actually you are the sort of person who can be active, you change your belief. But it starts by feeling unusual first and out of character. And it might be that the affirmation you give yourself is.
I can be the sort of person who does that if it feels so out of character to go, I am somebody who is active. No, I'm not. Am I? Who am I kidding? Okay. Then you tell yourself, I can be somebody who is more active, because that's the truth. It's undeniable. You can be somebody who is more active and it just means, like you say, a little more activity.
yeah. It's not going from one thing to another. It's, it's not going from zero to a hundred. It's, it is going a little bit more, a little bit more,
we had quite a few, messages come in from people. I just wanna make sure that we've, I wanna acknowledge them cause it was literally that they wrote. Cause I did say, hey I'm gonna be doing a question on weight loss. Oh, Paula was the one that was asking about the chia seeds. I think we've dispelled that myth. Stephanie was asking about helping weight loss if you've got medical issues like P C O S and how to get more motivated if you hit a wall.
Karen was talking about maintaining weight or, or losing it when stressed or going through the menopause as well. And I think, have we covered that kind
Well, the, that was in my mind, and I think we discussed it a little bit before. So, it's, there in the idea that if you got P C O S or you're menopausal or you're stressed, those are things that are going on anyway and you can easily overeat because it makes you feel better or because the hormonal levels make you feel hungrier. So those things are going on, and yes that could happen. But you can step back and go, Hmm. Okay I'm sitting here and I'm feeling absolutely lousy this evening.
It's 8:00. Am I hungry? I'm not really hungry.
But if you
bar make
What? Are you hungry?
Well just, we'll get to, yeah, we'll get to that. Would a Mars bar actually help me? Well, would, would make me feel really nice, but for how long?
Mm-hmm.
Well, probably. Half an hour and then I might feel a bit sick and that wouldn't be really very good, would it? And then, yes. Going onto what you just said then, Richard the what are you hungry for?
For? Yeah. Because it might be you're hungry for something else and that's worth acknowledging. And I totally understand that it can be difficult for people with going through the menopause and P C O S, it does make things so much more difficult. Of course it does. And that's where digging deep comes in. That's where the mindset comes in and that's where therapy can help because yes, it probably is gonna be harder.
But that doesn't mean you have to give up, but with that defeatest attitude of, oh, well I just can't, can I? That's when we take our foot off and we have all sorts of problems. Then that's when things spiral. That's when we need to dig deep and catch ourselves and go, no, stop. I know this is gonna be hard for me, and I know that other people will find this easier, but that doesn't mean I can't do this. I just need to work a little bit harder.
You've touched there on an area we haven't talked about explicitly, and I'm thinking we are. We are out of time.
Yeah.
maybe we could do one on this explicitly, which is about beliefs. I know we've talked about beliefs in other contexts, but specifically beliefs around food and activity.
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Because as we realized at the start of this episode, I mean, you've actually said before we press record, I could talk about this for hours and hours and hours. Yep. Days and days and days. And we've overrun today, this isn't gonna be one of the short episodes that goes out, that's bang on 30 minutes. I don't think. This is a huge topic and I urge you to look into it a bit more and with an open mind as well, and with an element of suspicion as well. Be a critical thinker.
I think that's important. Think critically. Think about both sides of different arguments and go, let me work out what's right for me here. Right? We need to revisit elements of this at a later stage, don't we? And I'm sure we will.
I'm sure we will. I do, I do think that that's the, to me, that's the biggest gap we need to check, but it feels like that's the, that's the gap we haven't really got into about beliefs.
I think so, yeah. We've only scratched the surface of this today. There'll be a lot more that can be done, so we'll leave you with it. I hope that's pushed you in the right direction, giving you a little nudge. So if you do need some help with this, you know what to do. If you have any further questions, you know where to find us. Feel free to share on social media this episode with your comments if you want to as well.
That way other people know that you listen to it and go, oh, I didn't know about that podcast. That'd be quite good. Feel free to do that. Link to all the places you can share our content is in the show notes, and like I say, if you get any questions, then you know where to find us. So, love you and leave you. Have a super week, be good to yourself and each other. Talk to you next time, Tara.
Bye everyone.