“I CONVERTED RELIGIONS ON A WHIM”

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All from William.

Hello, what's your name?

William?

Have we ever spoken before? William?

We have not? Well, where are you at right now?

Where am I at right now? I'm I'm I'm under the ocean. I'm in the clouds, I'm inside of your brain. I'm talking to you on the telephone. Why hold on? Why would you say that I'm in Arizona.

Because aren't you like on tour or something.

I I'm I'm I'm I'm on tour on off this whole year. But right now I am in an indus. I am. I am in a place, sitting in a chair talking to you. That's where I consider myself to be. Where are you?

Welcome home? Thanks you for New York City baby.

Okay, how's that going? So you're in New York City? Is there anything in particular that you called in to talk about today?

Yeah? I want to tell you a weird story about me, because you're kind of a kindred spirit, a wanderer, a traveler, and I have a weird story about like what I've been traveling since I was like nineteen or something, just basically like wandering around the world, like moving places and doing weird shit. And I want to tell you about like the weirdest think one of the weirdest things that's happened to me, you know, the adventurous.

Okay, yeah, tell me the story.

So, like I just like broke up with this girl I was dating for ten years. So I just like was flipping out, like totally, like one of those moments where you just like your identity is totally malleable, and so I like I flipped out. Went to India and my second night there, like like I just had spent one full day there and was kind of like, Damn, India kind of sucks or something, you know, because you always did when you first get somewhere, before you start having fun.

And tell me, I want to know what so you you were when you were there the first day? What was it that that you felt sucked about India?

Nothing sucked. It's just you travel like kind of to escape at times, and I find that it's kind of annoying because you realize, oh, I'm still here in India.

It's true. Everything that's true, everything you're escaping from tends to follow you in a sense.

Yeah, like life always, you know, like there's this right I think the Buddha says, uh. People will say, you know, go here or go go there, But I tell you the truth, the whole world is burning. I think that's real talk, bro.

But are you okay? Hold on? Are you old? Are you okay? What is up with you?

Oh, I'm just nervous, dude. This is I just called like seventeen times like, oh my god.

No, I don't know you sound I don't know. I just I couldn't tell if you were doing a bit or something, because you know, I'm gonna taking you up full. I'm taking you up at full at uh face value here, and I would I would be so upset with you at the very end of it. Okay, Okay, it's if you're It's like, I appreciate that if you're naturally just a weird guy. I'm I'm a weird guy too. I invite that. I just I don't know if you're doing a bit. But okay, so you realize that India didn't suck.

Yeah, I mean sort of. But I mean life is cool too. But uh so I went to sleep in this hostel and then this this dude comes in, these like two Muslim dudes, and they start like praying super loud and stuff. It's which is something that's happened in my travels, Like Muslim guys just like pray openly and the and it's like annoying.

But that's interesting because I always thought of prayers in prayer, prayer's kind of a quiet activity. How are they praying? Loud should be.

But it's like kind of flex like it's kind of like flexing, like they'll do it like right in front of everybody. But whatever, you know, DEAs drum and it eventually, you know, the story leads to me becoming Muslim. So I so this guy, like he shined a light in my face and was just like you were very handsome, and then he was like, I want you to come to work with me tomorrow. And I was like, uh, you know, I'm just trying to be open to new experiences.

And I like that.

I like that. I wake up the next day, I go with him and we're in Ludbay and it turns out he's like this wholesaler and he like owns a cosmetic small in this other town called Suda and uh, and so I go, I'm walking around with him and move by through these like all these areas like you know,

Yeah, so so this man just to catch usf So this You are sleeping in your hostel and a man wakes you up by telling you that you're very handsome.

Yeah, you kind of had a crust on me.

But this sound this you that sounds like you were like his easiest human trafficking victim.

Well, dude, exactly, because I was in the right head space too, So you'll see all this it basically it's kind of what happened. But so, uh, I'm going around with him these wholesalers, and I'm like his like token white guy. Like he's like, look like I have an American with me, and I'm like at the time, I'm like working in construction for like years, and he's like, okay, like tell him you're in the construction business. Like he's like he's like introducing me me to people as if I'm like Donald.

Trump or something, right right right.

Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, you own the company I mean, well make like, yeah, fifteen dollars an hour, but uh, I'm like yeah, sure, man, like I'll help you flex and it's working. They're all like very impressed, like wow, where'd you find this white guy? And at the time, I had like guy fieddi like frosted tips, so I looked even more freakish. Like when you're in India, like everyone stares at you already just if you're like a foreigner, but I looked like a extra weird foreigner. So people

Like this is my brother. It was.

It was adorable, and it was really like it came from a really good hearted place, I feel, and and so but you know, to go in the mosque and to pray. You know, it's like call to prayer time, and so I had to say the prayer to like become Muslims. So I said that this prayer.

Well when hold on, you said you had to say the prayer to become so you're you. So so let me get this straight. So within the span of like how within the span of a day for.

This is four hours. Yeah, with a four.

Hour span, you're sleeping in a hostel, a man wakes you up by telling you, and you go with him to a mosque and convert to Islam on the spot.

Yeah, because it's like, well, it's it'd be awkward to back out now, I'm already we already like fought to get me in here. So it's like, yeah, fuck it, I'll say the prayer. And it's like what can I lose? You know, like I'm down. I'm I'm really down to just go deep when I travel and just like fucking let it consume me. You know, that's the whole point.

You know.

I don't by the way, I don't think that's a bad idea at all. You look, you only have one life. You might as well try out all the religions exactly.

Man, and and dude, Islam is beautiful.

Like okay, so I so you you got you this this this guy I brings you into his mosque is to argue with the guys there to get you in and then you say a prayer and what happens after that?

So so then I go in and I, you know, I do the whole prayer like where with all you know that you see with all the dudes like lined up on the ground like in rows, and I'm praying in these they're like ancient mosque like and when you're in there praying, it feels like it's like two thousand years ago or something like. And I was having like feeling these really like intense, profound feelings, you know, Like I was like, oh shit, this is like pretty real.

To have an experience.

But it's kind of blowing my mind. And you know, throughout the day. By the end of the day, he's taken me to like eight mosque, you know, and we've been praying. You know, I'm already starting to pray like you know, you know, ten times.

A day or whatever.

I don't even remember the amount, but I'll praying a lot, you know, in between, like in between all these calls he had to make to like buy makeup or whatever. And and so then we're sitting we'll get to like one of the sketchiest neighborhoods We've got to so far, I've already prayed like, you know, a bunch of time. I'm super Muslim already. And he's introducing me to everybody.

It's just like no, you're you're you're you're in you'redeed. If he asked you to change your name, you're doing it.

Yeah, Yeah, and it's just like I was like, okay, yeah, fine, I'm mohammed, you know, just to get him off my fucking back because if I say no, I'm like, it was kind of scary, you know, like I felt really pressured.

Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Okay. So at this point where this may okay again, a man wakes you up in the middle of the night, tells you you're very handsome and to come with him. You are our heartbroken. You have nothing else going on in your life, so you are walking down any path that presents itself to.

You exactly, man.

Yeah.

And so then then he takes you on a tour of ten different musques. You pray at all of them, and then is this is this all? Is this all on one day?

Yeah?

This is day one?

And then he and then the man asked you to change your name like in that momd like, did you where did you think this was all going in your head? Don't tell me where I did. I want to get to where it actually went, but where did you? Didn't give up? He said, you didn't care.

Oh, I'm just like, I'm when ship like that happens with me, man, I just go like yes, like I thank God, like anytime some wild, like chaotic shit happens around me, Like I went to jail like last month and it sucks, like random mood and it sucked, but it was like I like thank God for that shit,

Him.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then he was like okay, okay, And you know this this place Sadat it's called the Diamond City, and the merchants from there are like known for being great salesman. So this man was a very convincing man. Is this stout, like ugly guy who's always like drooling, like this ship that he has in this like tobacco shit he has in his lip. But he's

We get there.

I keep like praying every day in the mosque and like and in between, Like you don't only pray in the mosque, you put pray at like these places, at gas stations, there's like a spot everywhere to pray, play in your house, but basically just pray a whole bunch of every day.

And when you're and let me ask you, when you're praying every single day, Okay, you're just you started practicing Muslim a day ago and you're praying at gas stations, You're praying everywhere you get the chance to pray. What do you actually do? Are you have you like internally submitted yourself to to to Islam at this point? Like what do you actually.

Because the thing is man like the I'm just like I I was raised Christian, I still like Christianity. I've went to Buddhist retreats, I've taken ayahuasca. Like I love like all religions. I love Hinduism, love Ramdas, I love all that shit. I love Islam Like I don't really make distinctions, like to me, wisdom is wisdom and God is God, and like dogma really bothers me, like religiosity

What is this? So this guy? Okay, so what's the name of his hometown again, Surat?

Yeah?

And he you met him in Mumbai?

Yeah?

So how far away? How far away was are those two places?

I think it was like a like a five hour train ride or something. Wow.

So so if this what the hell is this guy? If he's the richest guy in this town, what the hell is he doing at a random tourist hostel in Mumbai?

Because because it's fucking India, Man, I don't know. It's like, what what's like rich in India in Sudha is not the same as what's rich in America?

You know, Okay, okay, I want to hear the kund of a buddy.

What well?

No, go ahead, go ahead, you talk.

It's kind of a baller thing, it seemed like to me. Even to be in like a hostel, It's kind of like the rich kids of India are more likely to be found there than you know, poor people. Yeah, this is where the westerners stay and stuff that is kind of follower in India. I feel like I could be wrong. I mean, Indian people might be like this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, but this is just my impression.

Okay, so you're in I'm just going to keep an ups in the city wrong, but you know what I'm talking about. So you're in this guy's hometown.

Yeah, I'm staying with his like wife and kids. He's given me my own room and like he's like made me a part of his family. Like I'm praying there's like structure in my life. Like this is me coming out of one of the most flipped out, like manic depressed parts of my life. And I've just like stopped talking to my mom, my two best friends, broke up with a girlfriend of ten years, lost her family. Like

I wrote it that morning in bed, and then went to this place with all these people that worked at a small it is cosmetic small, and I wrote some fucking dumb ass speech about like hard work and like the value of that even small job to have value. I think I kind of like bombed, like because they didn't even need to hear me tell them about hard work.

Like they were already crying, like because they're so like passionate about their job, Like they didn't need me telling them this ship. But you know, I tried.

I sent it this weird fucking.

Guy fory I had like my hair reached back. I went gave me a suit, I got like a fucking haircut of shape.

So you basically came in here like they thought like so the guy was he was saying, this man works in the construction business, making everyone think that you are like like you're Donald if you own some kind of giant construction enterprise.

Yeah, he's using me to his leverage because not only it's such a big deal to people that he's getting this light American dude to be a Muslim, like he's scoring hard, like that's the biggest flex.

Imagine, do you remember can I hear? Do you have any lines from this speech? Do you have it? Do you still have it?

Man?

They fucking recorded it, but they got they ended up getting too mad at me that they didn't give it to me.

I how did they? Okay, so did this take a turn? Do people get mad at you after this?

Whatever?

Really take a turn? Like super dramatically. But ultimately, you know, this was the end of like my seventh day or something. And by now they've offered me like they're like, listen, you're a part of our family now and and we think that you belong here. We think you're people are telling me, we think you're gonna be a great Muslim, like influential Muslim. And I was like, you know, like they're like showing me these Westerners that like became Muslim,

Wait he told you that he was gonna give you three wives.

Up to three.

It's like if the one isn't good then you can get another.

If two isn't good.

Enough, you can get like a third or something. So I was like, this was all sounding pretty I mean, fuck, dude, you know, I'm like twenty four years old at this time. Like that sounds like a pretty damn good life.

Man.

That's why I was gonna ask guys gonna like when they're okay, they're they at that point. I mean, you I assume you didn't have a job and you broke it up with your girlfriend. At that point, were you just like were you considering it? Were you like yeah, and that fuck it, I might just stay here in it.

Yeah.

And it freaked me out because I was just like, am I thinking like I felt this whole time, like I had my head on my shoulders, Like this wasn't even my first rodeo I've been doing. My entire life has been weird as fuck.

So like.

This is like something that I'm accustomed. This level of weirdness is not new to me. So but like but I was like, am I like being brainwashed or something? Like, am I okay? Like this is this okay? And what it was freaky because I was like, I think I might actually fucking do this, Like I think I might actually stay here. So but then after the last I give that speech, and then I had decided that I needed to leave this town for a little bit to

Guy from the guy from the very beginning.

Yeah, the guy who loves me, and he uh he just was like text me like what you've done is very bad, Like he was pissed, and he's like, dude, I just told you I was gonna do this, but I bet he got it made him real mad, and he was like he was mad. I mean, he probably would have like accepted me back if I changed my mind, but he was. He was really heartbroken about it.

You know.

I think they all kind of were because in their eyes, like for me to not become a Muslim is like it's like cursing myself to hell, you know, so like and and this guy, like it sounds all like ulterior motives, but I think this man actually was like really cared about me and was really trying to help me. So it was like it was sad for them because it's like, damn all right, man, Like you're kind of fucked though.

Huh. So this is fascinating because and you know, you said at the beginning that we're kindred spirits, and I know exactly what you're talking about when you're like I am on the hunt for you know, experiences and things that are you know, out of out of my ordinary. Yeah,

It could be both, could it could be a.

Combination of both, but just you saying you genuinely felt as though this guy uh wanted you to have a better life, just because that's the kind of guy he is, and just because that's the kind of you know.

He wanted me to have a better life, and he wanted to flex that he got this uh, white kid to become a Muslim, and he wanted me to be like his token in business. And I think he had a little bit of a gay crush on me.

But in addition, you think hold on you, you just brought that, you think he had a gay crush on you, just vaguely.

Just vaguely. Oh fuck, I shouldn't even say that. Man, I'm gonna like dock this guy. God damn it.

I guar look, even the most sophisticated fucking private agent I don't think could determine where this guy is from based on this story. Although I don't know. This town sounds kind of small. What's the name of it.

Let's forget about that, all right, Well the city you mean, yeah, the city.

Let me ask you something. So I let me ask you a question. If he came on to you, how would you have reacted.

I don't know. He's pretty gross. He's like this stout, like he had this like gnarled face, like talked in this like really loud, like raspy. Boy.

I can't tell how you feel about you know, I can't tell how you feel about this guy because on one hand, you talk about him like you're with with like uh, suspicion, but you also talk about him with like love and genuineness, because both are true.

Man, that's been that's like, that's my experience of everything. Man, Like it's I feel like everything is true?

Do you have have you texted? Has this guy texted you since? How long? How long ago was this?

First of all, this was this was like four years ago, like.

Twenty eight Now has he texted you since?

No?

Because that was like my Indian phone and he got.

It for me.

So you you don't even have any way of getting like if you if you woke, if you.

I could go the Let me ask you what.

In the past four years, In the past four years, have you ever woken up in the middle of the night and been like I should have taken the offer for the three wives and the and and out the Bentley and all. No.

No, but you know I do. I do consider getting back into Islam because I kind of want to go do Hajj and go to Mecca because that just sounds insane, Like just like people have no I idea how trippy Islam is. Like I've done all that shit and like it's one of the you know, it's as trippy as taking DMG or something, and it's very deep. You know, all these like all these dogmatic religions have a very mystical and true aspect to them, you know, and just

It's like.

I don't know how people would feel about me, even you know, I don't think that's really kosher, even for a guy like me, like that one foot one out, one foot in, one foot out, like with many religions. And that's what kind of annoys me about many religions is like this, uh, this lack of like nuance in the thinking and like this all these rules and it's like like it's it's kind of sad to me that Islam is so dogmatic because it's so rich and it's so funny.

Can you I'm like I feel like I'm I feel like I have a thirty percent understanding of what that word means.

You keep using it dogmatic, yes, like you know, just buy the book, you know, by the rules, like look like you know and like and like shame, shame, shame, and you fucked up and you know, like I walked into I walked into a mosque with like a tear in my pants, and that's like a massive faux pas. Not that that's even you know, but just I wish, I wish like some of the goodness of some of these like great religious traditions could be like shared with more. I mean Christianity too.

You're trying to you you're trying to you're trying to alacart the religions exactly. Yeah, which you know, I don't think that's anything wrong. I mean, I mean, look, here's in the grand scheme of things. You could make a religion called william Ism and you could go ahead and be what you believe.

Be called William's Way, Williams Way.

Why did you go to jail last month?

Oh dude, I I uh I Have you heard of this app random Nautica?

No, what is that?

It's like an app that like generates random GPS coordinates and so.

Like it sounds like that sounds like the start of how somebody went to jail for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just love it. You've got to try it out. It's like right up your you have to try it. But uh so, I don't know if you've ever gotten to like chaos magic or anything like that.

Dude.

Those things are posted up, and we got arrested hard, and it was so scary. It sucked getting arrested dude.

In New York.

I liked.

I like that.

You're like, you know, man, if you go out of your way, crazy things will happen, like getting arrested for trespassing.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

But but but we were looking for adventure, man, and we found it.

No, no, no, I you look man, I'm look I like you, man. I like the way you think.

Right. This is.

Uh, you're you're you're out there to live. Uh, you know, all the days of your life. I respect that.

I mean there's a lot of off days. But I'll get pumped again. I'll get the bravery back.

What do you do for a Do you have a job or a girlfriend?

Now?

Yeah, man, I do you have elements to your life that are I assist of.

That's like one thing I made. I've been making art for like years. I'm trying to do I'm trying to be like a big painter in New York City, and I'm really on and off about that goal because it's like, fuck, I just want to go through random ship, but there's like this gravity that keeps pulling me back to painting. So if anybody in New York or Brooklyn knows a place, like has a space where I can do an art show, I've got a bunch of badass paintings and I'm gonna

You're like, you're like David Show, I do, dude.

David Show made a huge impact. That's what started me on a lot of this ship. Bro. I watched Thumbs Up when I was like, I watched that one movie where he gets like lost in Alaska.

You know what I'm talking about. Im up is yeah, yeah.

But then yeah, I watched the Thumbs Up right before I graduated high school, and I was like, damn, Like, yeah, he's one of the goodus for sure, man, he's one of the heroes. And you are too.

Man.

I was just watching you.

Like, I was just watching you like walk around in Japan, and I was just like, damn, like I gotta get back out there. I gotta shake some ship up.

Yeah you know what, fuck man, I I I that's that's cool that you you liked the Japan stuff. I still need to like put edit that and put it on YouTube, but yeah, I loved I love doing that kind of shiit of just I mean, that's what's cool about the Gecko costume is like I can go out anywhere and just people will start talking to me, and you know that that leads you to all kinds of all kinds of adventures and whatnot. Well, okay, what's your do you if you want? If you want, do you

I've got like an art I g it's not really I'm better. I'm better than it shows. But like I I'm not very like I've never really like given a lot of time in my marketing or whatever. But yeah, I'll plug my thing and somebody fucking give me a room. I can show some art and a big white box.

You can. Why look, man, you know there's Google and Craigslist and ship right, this is the worst possible avenue for you to be asked.

Yeah, maybe maybe I'm.

What's what's your Instagram?

William Way one two three four.

William Way one tooth before? All right, man, I'll check you out.

I'm gonna go on it right now and I'm gonna post a picture of me at the giving the inspirational speech you.

Have you have the photo of that.

Yeah, yeah, not like me and you're crazy.

Like yeah, well all right, before we go, what's your what's next for you? What's your wit? You told you had you told me that you had a job, and I fucking forgot what you said.

It was I assist a painter. I assist one of my heroes. It is art assistant.

Okay, nice? What's next for you? What's your big What's what's next in your life? William?

Well, there's a there's a little fork like I'm I'm trying to I'm like, I'm like either gonna go to art school in Germany. There's a school called like stable school I'm trying to give into or or if that if I don't get in I think I'll just like go like travel, Like I'm like, you know, about to be fucking thirty, so it's like I want to spend like if I'm not in art school, you know, sistering the Thief, then I'm going to just like go like travel aimlessly for another year.

Probably that's cool Africa. It's so funny. I'm like, I'm I'm only twenty five, and I'm like feeling like, oh am I getting too old to because I did a lot of like, you know, I I this this you know, this kick that you're talking about of like I want to just go to a foreign country and like see what the fuck is going on and like what maybe I talk go try to talk to this person I wouldn't normally talk to and see where that leads me.

Yeah, it's great when you confuse the two. That's like what I've had a hard time finding is like I love making art, and I'm like annoyingly like I don't know, like as much as I want to travel, I'm always like forcing myself. There's this weird part of my like other brain that like forces me to like sit down and like do projects and try to like accomplish things.

Yeah, me too, man, No, me too. I'm I'm I'm like you know, I mean, I'm sitting here in this studio talking to you, which is located in a place like we said, yeah, and it's like I could fucking could like go to I don't know, uh uh uh Iceland and try to you know, stream from there and do my stuff. I mean that's what That's what I really want to do, man. I Yeah, yeah, I I I loved it, Like I said that that that's gonna be kind of my I think I think I want

Yeah, it could be really depressing.

Yeah, and I was just like, what the fuck am I doing right now? But there's something, there's like there's life in that, you know.

So yeah, absolutely, it's like, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, I feel like I've been trying to like take my focus from like to the present to the present moment, like just trying to get more because because ultimately all that ship, like I've done like like a ship ton of adventures and like had lots of like pleasure and even like accomplished some cool things

It's true. Well that's what I feel like, is when you're talking about trying to combine the two, like you know, can I build something or be or can I can I be creating something while I'm on these adventures, you know, that'll make it seem like I've I've progressed my life in some way shape or form, but I you know, you know, look, you say you're back where you started, but uh, I mean you have progressed your life in some way, shape or form. You put yourself out there,

Well, the funny thing is it's like you might as well, like while you're not on the trip, like exer, start exercising that muscle of just like because like a lot of the best fucking moments in life are literally just like like being on the bus, like listening to reggae, staring out the window and you feel really good for no reason, you know, And it's like that's a lot of the best moments. They don't like.

Require like a whole you like do you have do you have dreadlocks? I'm imagining you with dreadlocks now.

No, not at all, dude.

What's your name again?

William William? Super nice to meet you, bro.

Nice to meet you too.

I'll try to go to a live show and meet you.

I'm coming to Brooklyn. I'm coming to brose sell out so.

Quick and I'm like so bad at getting it in time.

This is the fucking the ticket survivable now anyway, whatever, I'm not gonna make this think about my tour. Okay, uh William is good talking to you, man. I hope you figure out your stuff. I'll check out. What was it? William? One two three your.

Way one two three four A box to show my art and please?

Okay, all right, good talking, you will, good luck and fucking praise a lot. Is that what they say?

Oh?

Yeah, praise as on the way coon.

All right, man, you take care.

Hi.

I like that guy. He was cool, made me think about stuff, made me think about wanting to go out into the university. I like, you know, I don't know the way he was talking about that family and the whole experience he had with that guy where he felt as though that guy's intentions were genuine in a sense, even though the circumstances surrounding it were, you know, definitely bizarre.

Hello, Hey, yo, what's up man?

How you doing?

Dude?

What's going on?

So there's a lot of going on. Man, I just got a brain, new job, right, cool and fucked up my first day how so, so I decide to say, he fuck it, I'm a smoke on my first date, which was kind of fuck.

H okay, what do you do? What do you do?

So? I so? I? So I decided to smoke a bowl before you know? So, what's word?

What do you What do you do for work?

Oh? I used to work at Wendy's and now I go as.

Far as from there.

So all right, so you decided, So you got a job at Wendy's, and your very first d at Wendy's, you decided to smoke a ball before work? Yeah, yeah, I continue, How did that work out for you?

So? My boss he knows when people are high. So whenever I got there, all he saw was my eyes fucking bloodshot red, and I was just fucked. I was like, oh shit, I got new from the day I got on there fired.

Do your eyes usually get bloodshot red when you get high?

Yeah?

So you have to understand, if you're the manager at Wendy's, you have seen your fair share of very high people, and so clearly he would know what you would look like if you were high. And that's where I think you made your your most quintessential mistake.

Yeah, I didn't know.

What's like, got there that he knew people were high?

Yeah, I mean everybody that he at least seventy five percent of the people he interacts with on a daily basis are extremely high. Yeah all right, So uh so he just knew? Did you? Did you deny it at all? Did you just say that, like, I mean, it's allergy season. You had a pretty good excuse there.

I did say, yeah, I had allergies. He's like, don't fuss the man.

I'm like shit, so he So it sounds as though you resigned to this fairly quickly, like without a fight, Like you tried the allergy thing and then immediately you're just like, nah, you're right, I'm high.

Yeah, because he knew I didn't have lergies. Okay, fuck it.

I have few questions, you know. I'm also I am also guilty of getting high and then immediately being like I should not have gotten high just now. I don't get high before I do this. I've said that a bunch of times. But I will like get high before going to hang out with someone or before going into some kind of setting where I'm like, I don't know, why did I get high before this? Why did what inspired you to get high before going into your first day?

I just had a real fucking day, like fucking ship was going down.

Okay, wait what was going down?

Fucking like my grandpa the other day, just fucking flat out, just to the floor.

He what happened?

My grandpa fucking died? O day.

Oh I'm sorry to hear that, man.

Yeah, And I was just like fucking not having this. I'm just lookable, okay, and I'll walk into work and mash it up. So now I'm out of a job that I'm fucking high.

So are you high right now?

Yeah?

All right? I kind of figured that do you get how often do you high?

Yeah? Thank you?

Man?

What who who are you talking to?

Uh no, I'm just talking to you.

You said you said thank I asked you, okay, I I you know, I feel like it's just like you didn't answer my question, but you kind of did because I asked you how often do you get high? And you said thank you man, which in a way is an answer to my question.

So I get high like most of my time, like like three times out the fucking week.

Okay, what do do you are? You do you feel like you're trying to escape from reality.

Yeah, that's mostly the big thing.

I feel that I do the same fucking thing. Dude, I get high like every day. I'm trying to stop doing that. Yeah, are you talking to somebody else? You're confusing me right now.

No, I'm trying to talk to you. But you go ahead first.

I I I Yeah, I get high all the time to escape reality myself. Uh so I understand how to stand where that impulse comes from. What are you trying to escape about reality?

Just the fucking stude, because I originally just stopped smoking like nicotine. Yeah, I was like, you know, I'm gonna get off of that like you no, smoke a little bit more.

Yeah, mhmm. This is tough. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. So I'm trying to do the exact same thing right now. Uh uh huh m hmm. What does anything? What else leaves? What else relieves your stress besides just pot?

Basically just motion? You know.

A lot?

So yeah, okay, you know what the problem is is. I bet getting high and going fishing is awesome. I have no idea what you just said.

But.

I don't know. I think I think to start to start right, I'm not gonna tell you shouldn't get high at the time, because I get high at the time. But you I think the first step would at least be to establish certain situations where you're like, Okay, this is off limits forgetting high.

This.

I have done the research I have and and I can say with with strong anecdotal evidence, that going into my job at when they's high is not a good idea. I have the I have done. I have done the research, and I could say with strong anecdotal evidence that's showing up to record this this show and getting high is a bad idea. So I don't do that. That's a

So my next move? This is just like you know, not smoke the words like smoke. So like Wednesday and Saturday. No, okay, Saturday and Sunday, smoke on those two days.

Okay, give.

It?

Try Yeah for sure, good luck. It's hard if you find if you if you have any secrets that you discover on your journey, let me know. I'd love to make use of them myself. All right, A man, all right, man, you take care of your joy. I don't know what are you gonna do after this. I'm curious, Probably gonna go on the truck. I have no idea what you just said, but that sounds fun. You have a good night, man, take care of you too. That guy sounds like he

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