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Therapists Rising Podcast

Dr. Hayley Kellytherapistsrising.com

Welcome to the Therapists Rising Podcast, where we share real, raw, and behind-the-scenes stories and lessons from Therapists who are thinking outside the traditional clinical box and choosing to do things differently in their careers. I’m your host, Dr. Hayley Kelly, and I myself have made the journey from a very experienced, but burnt out and unhappy, Clinical Therapist - to a successful entrepreneur who runs a business she loves, is thriving financially, and working and living life on her own terms. Join me, and be inspired, as I speak with other Therapists who too are broadening their horizons, and experiencing more abundance, joy, and fulfilment than ever before. Together we will laugh, soak up priceless wisdom and take actionable steps, to help you transition from clinical practice to non-clinical offerings, and diversify and amplify your income - all while honouring your wellbeing and having a work-life balance. If you’re ready to be inspired and take action on your dreams, then you’re in the right place, friend. This is the Therapists Rising Podcast.

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Episodes

The Science and Ethics of Psychedelic Therapy: What Every Therapist Needs to Know, with Dori Lewis

A 19-year-old client sits on his couch staring at a wall for 8 hours a day. He's been in therapy for two years. He's planned his suicide for his 20th birthday. Traditional therapy isn't working. Three ketamine sessions later, he's dating someone, has a job, and is learning to snowboard. This isn't a miracle story. It's Tuesday for Dori Lewis. In this eye-opening conversation, I sit down with Dori Lewis — licensed professional counselor, clinical supervisor, and co-founder of Elemental Psychedeli...

Jul 02, 20251 hr 13 minEp. 205

How to Create Low-Cost Mini Offers That Turn Strangers Into High-Ticket Clients

You've launched your signature program. You know it works. But there's a massive gap between people saying "I'm interested" and actually pulling out their credit card for $2,000. What if there's a way to bridge that gap—not by discounting your course—but by creating "quick win offers" that actually make people MORE likely to buy your signature program? Welcome back to Tuesday Tiny Wins—where we get straight to the point with one tool you can implement TODAY. In this episode, we discuss: The trus...

Jun 30, 202524 minEp. 204

970 Million People Need Help & We Only Have 1 Million Therapists Worldwide - The Math Is Broken

The system you dedicated your career to was designed wrong from the beginning. Not broken — designed wrong . 970 million people globally need mental health support. We have approximately 1 million mental health professionals. The math isn't just broken — it reveals a system that was never built to serve the people who need it most. In this paradigm-shifting episode, I expose the uncomfortable truth: Mental Health 1.0 was designed for social control. Mental Health 2.0 was designed for good intent...

Jun 25, 202529 minEp. 203

The Quiet Revolution Already Happening (And Three Ways to Join It Today)

You were trained to stay quiet. To follow rules written for a world that no longer exists. To accept that your expertise should be sanitized into beige compliance. But what if everything you've been told about "staying safe" is actually keeping you small? In this raw, unfiltered episode, I pull back the curtain on what happened after my viral LinkedIn post broke the internet — and more importantly, what it revealed about the quiet revolution already happening in mental health. When therapists ge...

Jun 23, 202519 minEp. 202

From 190-Person Waitlist to Million-Dollar Boardroom Decisions with Carly Fisher

You were trained to think psychology equals therapy chair. To believe "business skills" are something other people have. To accept that your expertise stops at the consulting room door. But what if everything you've been told about your limitations is wrong? In this game-changing conversation, I sit down with Carly Fisher — registered psychologist, government executive, board director, and living proof that therapists possess the exact skills businesses pay consultants millions for. Carly went f...

Jun 18, 20251 hr 2 minEp. 201

Why I Can’t Stay Quiet Anymore: What Our Mental Health System Isn’t Ready to Face

You were trained to be ethical. To follow the rules. To keep yourself out of the spotlight and let the system guide the way. But what happens when the system itself is no longer fit for purpose? In this milestone episode, I’m pulling back the curtain on a truth I’ve been sitting with for a long time — and the reckoning that finally made me say, “I can’t keep pretending this is working.” This isn’t a celebration. It’s a confession. A call to those of us who’ve felt the discomfort of playing small...

Jun 16, 202532 minEp. 200

The Real Reason You’re Avoiding Visibility, Higher Pricing, and Growth

Ever find yourself sabotaging your own success the moment things start working? Yeah, I see you there - saying no to opportunities that could expand your reach, undercharging like it's a badge of honor, or suddenly deciding your perfectly good program needs to be "better" before you can launch it. Here's the thing nobody talks about in our field: you're not afraid of failing. You're terrified of succeeding. And after working with hundreds of therapists trying to break free from the traditional o...

Jun 11, 202534 minEp. 199

[MINI-SERIES: From Therapist to Visionary] Why You Are the Biggest Thing Holding Your Business Back (And How to Change It)

It's 8 PM. You finished seeing clients hours ago, but you're still at your computer responding to course emails, updating social media, and planning next quarter's strategy. Every decision runs through you. Every problem lands on your desk. Your business literally cannot breathe without you. If that sounds familiar—if you've become the center of everything in your business—this isn't a sign you're doing something wrong. It's proof that what you've built actually works. This is the final episode ...

Jun 09, 202539 minEp. 198

[MINI-SERIES: From Therapist to Visionary] Scaling Your Impact Without Compromising Your Values or Selling Out

You want to grow. You want to reach more people, serve more deeply, make your work financially sustainable. But not if it costs your values. Not if it fries your nervous system. Not if it costs your soul. If you've ever watched other practitioners scale their businesses and thought, "I want to grow, but not like that " - this episode is for you. This is Episode 3 of our From Therapist to Visionary mini-series, where we're tackling the biggest fear of all: scaling without selling out. What You'll...

Jun 04, 202540 minEp. 197

[MINI-SERIES: From Therapist to Visionary] Therapist CEO: Making Decisions Without Burning Out

Your calendar is overwhelming. Your nervous system is fried. Every decision - from what email to send to whether you should hire someone - feels exhausting. And every piece of business advice tells you to "step into your CEO energy" or "think like a boss"... but that feels completely wrong in your body. What if the problem isn't that you're not cut out for leadership? What if the problem is that you've only been shown one model of what leadership looks like—and it sucks? This is Episode 2 of our...

Jun 02, 202540 minEp. 196

[MINI-SERIES: From Therapist to Visionary] You’ve Built the Program. Now What?

You did it. You mapped the modules. Built the curriculum. Maybe even sold out your first launch. Your course, program, or offer is live—and people actually bought it. So… why do you feel so weird? If you’re standing in that liminal space between relief and restlessness, pride and paralysis—you’re not broken. You’re expanding. This episode kicks off our 4-part mini-series From Therapist to Visionary —an unfiltered exploration of what it really takes to scale your business as a values-led therapis...

May 28, 202531 minEp. 195

Why Most Online Programs Need a Community - And How to Create One That Doesn’t Drain You

You’ve built your course. Your modules are mapped, your portal’s prepped, your curriculum is solid. And then someone asks: “So… where’s the community space?” Cue the existential spiral. Because as a therapist, “community” doesn’t just mean “extra feature.” It means emotional responsibility. Boundary navigation. And the very real possibility that you’ll end up holding space you never consented to. But here’s the truth most business coaches skip: When done well, a community component can dramatica...

May 26, 202527 minEp. 194

Passive Income or Pipe Dream? The Truth About Evergreen vs. Live Courses for Therapists

It starts off sounding perfect. Create a course once. Let it sell itself. Finally step off the therapy treadmill and wake up to payment notifications instead of a full caseload. But what no one tells you? Most therapists who try that route end up with a silent checkout page and a whole lot of self-doubt. If you’ve ever wondered why your course isn’t selling - or whether this whole “passive income” thing is even real for someone like you - this episode is for you. We’re digging into the truth beh...

May 21, 202526 minEp. 193

Should You Start a Facebook Group to Grow Your Audience? Here’s What I’d Tell Any Therapist

So… someone told you to start a Facebook group to grow your audience. And you did it. You picked a cute name. Made a welcome post. Maybe even went live (sweating bullets but pretending it was chill). And then… crickets. Or worse - an entire digital ghost town of lurkers, silent members, and zero sales. If that’s you - this episode is your permission slip and your reality check. Because while Facebook groups are pitched as a must-have lead generation strategy in the online business world, for the...

May 19, 202521 minEp. 192

Why Your Online Program Isn’t Selling (And How to Fix It Fast)

So… you launched your online program. You crafted the sales page. You sent the emails. You even hit publish while whispering “this better work” under your breath. And then… crickets. Maybe your friend signed up. Maybe your mum said she’s proud. But internally? It felt like failure. If that’s you—pause right here. Because this episode is your loving intervention and your practical roadmap to get things back on track. We’re breaking down the 5 real reasons your online program isn’t selling (no flu...

May 14, 202534 minEp. 191

How to Choose the Right Social Media Platform (Without Burning Out or Selling Out)

Somewhere between your fifth Canva graphic and your third platform login of the day, you started wondering… “Is this what it takes to be seen?” Because apparently, if you’re not on Instagram and TikTok and LinkedIn and Threads — you're falling behind. Or invisible. Or both. But here’s the thing: For therapists, “visibility” isn’t just about reach. It’s about safety. And when the business world screams “just show up more,” your nervous system whispers, “at what cost?” This episode is your loving ...

May 12, 202525 minEp. 190

Will AI Replace Therapists? What You Actually Need to Worry About

So… apparently therapists are being replaced by chatbots now. Clients are rolling into sessions with ChatGPT transcripts like, “This helped more than our last three appointments. Oh, and it’s free.” Yeah. That’s happening. And if you’re even mildly freaking out, you’re not being dramatic. You’re being awake . In this episode, I’m not here to sprinkle affirmations over your fear or convince you to go become a tech bro. I’m here to talk about the real threat to therapists — and spoiler: it’s not A...

May 07, 202536 minEp. 189

You Don’t Need Another Certification - You Need This Instead

Ever feel like your next certification might just be the thing holding you back? If you're nodding along (or feeling personally attacked already), grab a coffee, because this episode is your loving wake-up call. Today, we're tackling the therapist's sneaky habit of certification hoarding—and why your endless pursuit of the next qualification might actually be the biggest roadblock to your success, visibility, and impact. As therapists, we're masters of credential collection. Weekend intensives, ...

May 05, 202524 minEp. 188

Facebook Ads for Beginners: How Therapists Can Grow Their Audience Without Wasting Money with Natalie Alaimo

Ever thought, “Facebook ads are just a fancy way to light my money on fire”? If the idea of opening Business Manager, setting a budget, or seeing a giant $0 in your results column makes your armpits sweat, this episode is for you. Today, I'm joined by Facebook Ads and Funnel Strategist Natalie Alaimo —the magical unicorn who actually makes ads feel doable (and dare I say, a little bit fun?). With over a decade of real-world experience helping course creators, coaches, and service providers, Nata...

Apr 30, 20251 hr 6 minEp. 187

5 Quick Ways to Use AI to Grow Your Practice, Brand, and Programs

Think AI is just for writing session notes? Think again. If you've been avoiding AI because you don't want to sound like a robot—or worse, feel like you’re cheating—this episode is for you. We’re pulling back the curtain on AI for therapists—specifically how it can help you grow your practice, build your brand, and sell your digital offers faster and with way less burnout. This isn’t a tech tutorial or a boring AI hype session. It’s a grounded, therapist-brained deep dive into practical ways to ...

Apr 28, 202523 minEp. 186

Webinars 101 for Therapists: Teach, Connect, and Sell with Integrity

Ever thought, “There’s no way in hell I could run a webinar”? If the idea of live teaching, pitching, or even showing up on Zoom makes your armpits sweat, this episode is for you. We're pulling back the curtain on webinars—what they really are, why they’re not as scary (or salesy) as you think, and how therapists can use them to grow their programs without turning into awkward marketing robots. This isn’t a how-to or a slide-building masterclass. It’s a belief-shifting, therapist-brained deep di...

Apr 23, 202543 minEp. 185

5 Course Platforms Therapists Love (and How to Choose the Right One for You)

Ever stared at your course platform and thought, “What in fresh hell is this?!” If the idea of choosing the right tech stack for your online program makes you want to throw your laptop out the window, this episode is for you. We’re cutting through the noise to talk about the real-world pros and cons of the most popular hosting and delivery platforms for therapists creating online programs, memberships, and courses. No fluff. No tech jargon. Just honest, practical guidance to help you pick a plat...

Apr 21, 202530 minEp. 184

Why You’re Still Stuck (And How to Use Tapping to Finally Move Forward) with Dr. Peta Stapleton

Ever feel like you're doing all the “right” things—planning, learning, dreaming big—but you still can’t seem to move forward? You’re not lazy. You’re not broken. You’re likely stuck in a very real nervous system response… and no amount of strategy can fix that alone. In this powerful and vulnerable episode, I’m joined by clinical health psychologist, researcher, and EFT powerhouse Dr. Peta Stapleton to unpack the real reasons so many therapists feel paralyzed when trying to launch, pivot, or div...

Apr 09, 20251 hr 2 minEp. 183

Should You Say Yes to Guest Speaking Gigs? How to Price, Protect Your Energy, and Say No Without the Guilt

Ever been asked to do a quick guest presentation—only to find yourself buried in hours of prep, stressing over pricing, and wondering if it was even worth it? If you’ve ever felt stuck between wanting visibility and honouring your energy and expertise, this episode is for you. In this power-packed 15-minute episode, I’m diving into one of the most common dilemmas for therapists stepping into entrepreneurship: how to handle guest speaking requests —ethically, confidently, and without losing yours...

Apr 07, 202520 minEp. 182

The Secret to Creating a Course That Feels Worth It (Without Overdelivering)

Ever feel like you've crammed absolutely EVERYTHING into your online course because you're afraid it's not enough? You're not alone! In this episode, I'm diving into one of the biggest challenges therapists face when creating online programs - overdelivering to the point where students get overwhelmed and drop off. I reveal why your students aren't completing your course (hint: it's not because they're lazy) and introduce you to the powerful frameworks we use in the Therapists Rising Incubator t...

Apr 02, 202533 minEp. 181

What Should I Name My Online Program? (And Why You're Probably Overthinking It)

Ever find yourself staring at a blank page, trying to name your online program and getting absolutely nowhere? You're not alone! In this mini-episode, I'm tackling one of the most common questions therapists ask when creating their first online program. In this episode, I break down why so many therapists struggle with naming their programs and introduce my proven CLEAR framework specifically designed for therapists looking to take their expertise online. Whether you're just starting to brainsto...

Mar 31, 202524 minEp. 180

Think an Online Course Will Cure Your Burnout? Think Again.

Ever find yourself escaping the burnout of 1:1 clinical work, only to accidentally build the exact same stressful environment online? Trust me, I've been there—done that—got the damn t-shirt. In this Unmasked Monthly Musing, I'm getting totally real with you about something NOBODY seems to be talking about: how we therapists often recreate the exact same painful patterns in our online businesses that we were desperately trying to escape from in our clinical practices. Whether you're burnt out in...

Mar 26, 202545 minEp. 179

The Psychology of Pricing: How to Charge What Your Online Program is Actually Worth

Are you struggling to price your online program with confidence? Do you second-guess yourself when setting price points, even though you KNOW your content delivers incredible transformation? In this value-packed episode, I'm diving deep into the psychology behind pricing your therapy programs . We're moving beyond "what to charge" into the more powerful territory of " WHY to charge it " — because understanding the true value of your expertise is the key to pricing with confidence. Building on la...

Mar 24, 202524 minEp. 178

From Plateau to Profit: How to Scale Your Online Program Without Burning Out

Have you launched your online program, gained some traction, but now find yourself stuck in a frustrating plateau? You're not alone—welcome to what I call "The Messy Middle." In this raw, unfiltered episode, I'm breaking down the awkward growth phase that NO ONE in the online space wants to talk about. It's that frustrating gap between having a program that works and creating a truly scalable business. If you're working harder than ever but seeing diminishing returns, this episode is your roadma...

Mar 19, 202549 minEp. 177

Pricing Your Online Program: The Exact Numbers Therapists Are Charging in 2025

Pricing your online program shouldn't be a shot in the dark—and yet for so many therapists, it's the most anxiety-inducing part of the creation process. If you've ever stared at that empty price box wondering what the hell to charge for your expertise, this mini episode is for you! I'm breaking down the four core program types that therapists are creating right now and sharing the EXACT price ranges that are working in today's market. Whether you're creating your first mini program or preparing ...

Mar 17, 202522 minEp. 176
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