Sojourner Truth & Eleanor Roosevelt

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SoCal Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was? The History quiz show that gives contestants the chance to win mega prizes and podcast glory. I'm b and I put the noun in an nouncer. And here's your host, the man who finds so spicy. It's Allian Kaylin. Thank you, b it's a medical issue. And welcome everyone to the Who Was Podcast. The show is like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games, and better banter. Let's be honest, we don't have to be modest about it. Our contestants were sent who Was

books about two great figures from history. Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the hopes of winning fantastic prizes. Today we're talking about two women whose words shape the world. It's first lady and activist Eleanor Roosevelt and abolitionist and pioneering women's rights activists so Jenner. True. But before we get to know them, let's get to know how our contestants. Okay, First up, we have Aya, Aya. Will you please introduce yourself? Hi, I have Ay and

I have one dog. Oh okay, cool? What is your dog's name? Lena? Lena? What kind of dog is she? And what's like one fun thing that Lena does? Um? She is a mixed an Aussie Shepherd and a black masker and she is very good when I like to train her with tricks and very very keeyful. Okay cool, Well, thank you so much for sharing and then with us today we also have Vivian. Vivian, please introduce yourself. Hi. I'm Vivian and I created a business with my friends

selling cat puppets. Oh whoa, Okay, we're gonna have to go into this little bit. We need to break this down because I want to know everything I can possibly know about this cat business. So first of all, I love it because we have a little head to head competition. We have a dog person and a cat person pets. I love that. So tell us more about this um cat puppet business. Um, how did you decide to start it?

What is it call? Um? It's called Margaret and Clouds where kittens are made and basically, um, it started being in theater class. When you're making our paperback puppets. My friend needed a prop cat, so I made it four of them and uh one of our friends liked it. So now we have a business. Wow, well that is so exciting. And f y I theo who was podcast is looking for sponsors. So Market and Clouds is looking to sponsor a history quiz show. We are open to that.

I have a question, how how much does a cat puppet go for? How much are you charging for these? Um? Kittens cost about a dollar fifty and adults cost around to fifty with other other customize fool things included with extra money. Yeah, and I'm guessing hairballs or a strap because they always are. It's the guacamole of cat puppets. It's always little extra. Yeah. You never you didn't want it there, but it's there, but it's coming, but it's there. Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well,

thank you both so much. Thank you, and thank you to Eric, our musician, for providing that lovely Meet the Contestants music and all the music on the show today. So that's who is. Now let's find out who was Eleanor Roosevelt with four fast facts. She was in the White House from ninety three to ninety five and is the longest serving First Lady. Helped to draft the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, represented her husband, President f DR

throughout the world and got the nickname everywhere. Eleanor fought for equality and to bring an end to segregation in the United States. Also, I should mention she was the one of the founders of Brandeis University, where my wife went to college. Oh go Owls. It's not the team that they have, But there's so much more to learn about Eleanor that we simply must get to our next game. We don't have time to correct you about what the

team name at Brandeis University is. Here's our game. It's something we call by any other name, you know, like a Roosevelt by any other name. Thank you. I'll be here all week unless I figure out how this door works. In this game, we will describe something from Eleanor's life, but using an odd rhyming word or phrase instead of the exact one we're looking for. You must decipher what

she's saying and tell us what she means. Aya, you're upe first, okay I. Eleanor's father died when she was a child, but his brother, her funcle Petty, always doated on the young Eleanor and would one day walk her down the aisle at her wedding. Okay, So, Eleanor's father died when she was a child, but her uncle teddy. Ohay is that's great. You don't have to remember the whole sentence. That's great. We're just looking for the one word.

So you got it right because the word we were replacing was f uncle petty, and you had said uncle Teddy, way to go. That's right, Uncle Teddy Teddy Roosevelt Theodore Roosevelt, who was at the time of her wedding the President of the United States. Uncle petty also sounds like something you might want to get looked at if it's on your feet, Maybe get a doctor in some kind of

cream for that. Our next question is we're Vivian Eleanor was nervous about attending this big party or restaurant mall where young sons and daughters of New York society make their official entrance onto the social scene. Do you mean coming out ball? Well, accept it. We would have accepted debutante ball or coming out ball. Eleanor came from a very wealthy New York family, and this was a write of passage at the time for all young ladies from

such families. Okay, the next question is for I again. All right. In first, lady Eleanor attended a conference with her friend, the African American educator Mary McLoyd Bethoon. But the two we are not allowed to sit next to each other because of segregation laws in the state of Chaska. Grandma was that Alabama. They're right, No, that's exactly it. Don't ETN give us another answer. You've got the answer

is Alabama. Eleanor sat in a chair she plays in the aisle between the two sections as a protest of Alabama's segregation laws. It was a small gesture Eleanor used to point out inequality between the people in our nation. Okay, next question for Vivian. Eleanor made herself accessible throughout FDR's political career. She visited impoverished areas to bring awareness and reached millions of others through her newspaper column, which was

entitled Pie Sway. Newspaper column was entitled my Day. That's You're exactly right, that's it my day. Although Pie Sway would be a great column where I guess she would convince people to like kinds of pie that they didn't like already. Yeah, or would be a good band name. Yeah, that's true. The public felt they knew Eleanor, and she received more mail than anyone else at the White House, which is pretty impressive considering the President also lived at

the White House. Even more shocking and impressive, she responded to all of the letters. I don't know how she did anything else, frankly by any other name, any other And that's the end of the game. Well played game everyone, Producer, Jane, will you please let us know the scores? Well, Elliott Aya and Vivian fock Hard just like Eleanor, and they both have two points. Excellent, You've got a tie game.

That means that the game has to continue. That's right for everyone who hoped the episode would ends now, too bad, it's going to thank you. You've got more. Who was podcast? Was show? So let's keep the show moving and learn about Sojourner Truth with four fast facts. Her given name was Isabella bomb Free. She changed to sojourn Her Truth in eighteen forty three because she felt it was her religious obligation to go forth and speak the truth. She want to land to mark lawsuit for the right to

her son's freedom. She was an early human rights crusader. She is the first African American woman to have a statue in the Capitol Building. Prospects. Now, this is usually the part of the show where we go on to the next game segment, but we happen to have two very special guests with us in the studio. Please welcome Eleanor Roosevelt and Sojourner Truth. Hello, joor Truth here and Eleanor Roosevelt glad to be here, just out of curiosity. How did you both reach us? We just used who

was It? Who was wandering? Best? Who was app It's more fun than word? Oh wordle Jenkins of the Boston Jenkins No, it's it's a game with words for everybody. Don't don't worry about We don't have time to get into it right now, and it's a competing game. Don't worry about it. What brings you both here today? Lenora and I heard the Who Was Podcast was doing an episode featuring both of us, and we thought we'd tell you about a new podcast we have. You two have

a podcast, a podcast? Please? I have two and I have four. Wow, that's a lot, Okay, amazing. Please tell us more about the podcast you have together. It's called Adventures Abroad Unconventional Conventions. It's a travel show about trips we took to conventions where we stood out. Brought to you by Triangle Space. Triangle Space. It's a great platform. And trust me, I know from platforms right because you

both traveled extensively and gave a lot of speeches. Well, my name basically means to travel and tell the truth, and it's how I earned my nickname. Everywhere Eleanor join us every week as we relive some of our biggest moments, like when I was a black woman and working class women and eighteen fifty one women's movement, which was unconventional in and of itself, spoke at the Women's Convention in Akron, Ohio. The organizers weren't too happy about me speaking because they

didn't want to confuse the abolitionists and the women's movement. Yes, but I ended up giving the most famous speech of the event. It's now known as the an I a

Woman's Speech. Wow, that's amazing, that's impressive. Yes, And sometimes we talk about breaking conventions, like the convention I broke when I resigned from the Daughters of the American Revolution because they refused to let opera singer Mary and Anderson perform at Constitution Hall because she was black, And the way I turned the convention of selling books on its head by traveling across the US and giving speeches about

my life to crowds. We talked about how unconventional it was for a first lady have a cause until I took office, or how unconventional it was for presidents to meet with black women in my time. But I met the three after they heard about my important work helping the black community. Wow, that's a lot of accomplishments. That's just the first season. We've signed on for a twelve season deal. Yes, in all twelve seasons brought to you

by Triangle Space. What are you waiting for? Triangle Space makes building a website far easier than building an equitable nation on the I Heart app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, If you'll excuse me, I must run. I'm late for a lunch date with Shakespeare. We're having let me guess, chicken fingers, Yes, a top now moor goobiolin or and thank you. Everyone always has chicken friners to the Shakespeare. Yes, it's a real histories mysteries,

not a mystery. It's just a histories, histories, habits, histories, culinary Habit has histories, favorite foods. So journal, are you free to stay around a little longer? Maybe play our next game with us? Sounds good? Excellent? That would be fantastic, don't go anywhere. Who Was Hers will be right back. Eric, play us some conventions, music, comic. Welcome back to the Who Was Podcast. Today we're learning all about Eleanor Roosevelt and Sojourner Truth. When we last left off, Aya had

two points and Videan had two points. It's a tie. And now here's your host, Elliott Kaylin. Thank you be Let's see how long this tie lasts. And thank you to our special guest, Sojourner Truth was made. Time to play our next game. It's called true or false? False, false, a false? Or is a true? It is a true that it is false? It was true or true? True or false? A lot of questions and we're gonna need some answers, our wonderful guests to journal. Will we be

reading the questions for one point each. You let us know if it's sojourn or truth or the Journal or false. Vivian, you are up first. True or false. The place in Washington, d C. Where I helped formally enslaved people build community and learned skills was called the Northampton Association. True. I'm sorry that's false. It was called the Freedman's Hospital. It's just one way. So journal helped formally enslave people build new lives after the Civil War. Don't worry, there's lots

of questions coming up I have. This next question is for you. If Elizabeth Caddy Staton tells you that it was her idea to push for equal pay for women, don't believe her. It was my idea. Um, it was true. True. Yes, As a black woman and working class woman, I knew firsthand how important a equality would be for women to reach equal ground in the US. Okay, the next question

is for Vivian. Most people know my an I Woman's speech, but the phrase our nerves sing us, our tears and blood have been sacrificed on the altar of this nation's avarice is from a different speech known as the d Day Speech because it was given on the first day of December. True. False. Yeah, that snippet is from a speech I gave to Congress after President Grant did not give me the help I needed to pass my land Grant proposal. No, thank you, Grant. You'd think you would

have done it. His name is Grant. It's a land Grand proposal. Every ay, buddy's a winner. Unfortunately, no, ayah, This last question is for you. I was able to bring my son Peter from enslavement in Alabama to New York through a daring rescue with my Quaker friends, in an operation we called quake my Day. False. That is both. I filed a lawsuit against the man who had sold him across state lines. She was the first black woman to win a lawsuit of this kind in the United States.

You know what, But now you have the phrase quake my day. I hope you can use it for something cool. And that's the end of the round. True true, true, fault and that's true or false. Let's go to producer Jane with the scores. Jane, quake my Day? What the scores? I am too, Elliott by telling you that Aya has four points and Vivian two, so I is a head, but it's still a very close game. True. That's so truth. Yeah, but is that is the sojournal truth? Speaking of sojourner truth.

Thank you so much for being here with us. Oh you know what, it is my pleasure. I just want to let you know I have to get going soon. But I wanted to ask the contestants if you could come up with a fantastic name for yourself like, Sojournal Truth? Uh, what would that name be? So I Vivian if you had to come up with a new name for yourself, maybe one that describes what you hope to do. Maybe, um, I really want to be an actress when I grew up. Maybe like I actress? I actor. I like that, Dramaya

maybe like drum like drama. Oh yeah, I kind of like that. And Vivian, what do you think of your friends? Just call me fluffy hair but your friends are It sounds like you've got the name already. That's a great I mean, fluffy hair cat puppet is a pretty great is a pretty fantastic name, right yeah? And it looks great on a a business card Fluffy hair cat puppet Esquire. Oh yeah, so as you're a lawyer now, I don't know. I think Esquire is always a good thing to put

on a business card, whether it's true or not. That well, I think, uh, it's a good time for the Journal Truth to say goodbye. If we're if we're doubting the very nature of truth, be okay, never doubt the truth. Just thank you all so much for having me, And thanks again? Who was apt more? And now the rest of us at the Who Was Podcast are going to say goodbye to but it's only for a moment. We'll be right just back after this break with more Who Was? Eric?

Play us some quick my day in music? Please don't confuse us with the Shakers Sally? Who was? Marie Curie? You may remember me from winning multiple Nobel Prizes off fapts from my pisode of the Who Worst Podcast where I played myself. I wanted to take a moment to read one of my favorite reviews about the Who Was Podcast. This is from Shaken Bay and it reads loved this Me and my little sister love this show more. Please.

Our faith is Arietman. If you want to hear your review read on the air, make sure to subscribe, like, and review to the OAS Podcasts in the I Heart Radio up or wherever you get your podcasts. Revoir or should I stay abien to Welcome back to the Who Was? Podcast? Today? Who was eleanor Roosevelt? And who was sojourn or True? When we last left off, Aya had four points and

Vivian had two points. Back to our host Ellie Klin, thank you be As we head into our next and final segment, it's really still anyone's game because there's a lot of points to be had in this one. Contestants get ready to play Converge of Greatness. So inspiring. Now, both Sojourner and Eleanor had incredible lives, and in this multiple choice game, you'll tell us where they connect, overlap or converge. And because recovering two times the history, this

game is worth two times the points. That's two points for each question. So let's get started with the first question for Aya take it away? Be all right? Aya. Eleanor Roosevelt went to school in Europe and learned fluent French. But Sojourner Truth spoke multiple languages too. As a young girl. What was sojoenn Or Truth's first language? Was it a Dutch? Be English or see the thracky um. It was a Dutch. That's right, it was a Dutch. Because her family was

enslaved by Dutch immigrants. She grew up speaking Dutch and struggled to learn English as she grew ale, or, eventually learning English so well that she became a brilliant public speaker. Doth Raki is, of course a made up language, though in a way aren't all languages made up? Next? Question is Ravivian Eleanor in sojourn Or Truth had close relationships with their fathers, though they were often separated. Eleanor's father was frequently in the hospital because of alcoholism. But why

did sojourn Or Truth rarely see her father. Was it a His work as a traveling salesman kept him on the move. B they lived on different metro north lines or see Sojourner was taken from her family as a young girl and sold at an auction see Yet answer is correct, though Sojourner's father was no longer his enslaved himself, he didn't have the money to free her when she was young. Slavery wouldn't end in New York State for another twenty one years, and not in the whole United

States until June sixty five, which we now commemorate on juneteenth. Okay, the next question is for Ayah. As we know, sojourn Or Truth and Eleanor Roosevelt were regulars at conventions and conferences. Sojourner was a regular at women's rights conventions and Eleanor Roosevelt fought for human rights as a member of the biggest convention in the world. Was it a the World Court, be the United Nations or see the Galactic Federation. Okay, it was the the United Nations. That's right, the the

United Nations. Eleanor was one of the first American delegates, which is just a fancy word for people that America sent to represent America. One of the first American delegates to the United Nations. She was also the first chairperson of the U N's Commission on Human Rights. And now the next question is for Vivian Eleanor was the niece of President Theodore Roosevelt and the wife of f DR. But sojourn Or Truth met a lot of presidents too. Which of the following presidents did she not ask to

sign an autograph in her book of Life? Was it a Abraham Lincoln, b Ulysses S. Grant or c Andrew Johnson. I think it was c Andrew Johnson. You're right, the answer is c Andrew Johnson. She got Lincoln and Grant signatures, but she passed on getting Johnson's because she just didn't like him from the start, just didn't like him. Book of Life more like a book of Burne. Am I right? And that beautiful music means it's the end of the game.

While we wait for Jane to tell you the scores, I'd like to ask our contestants was there anything that really stuck out to them in learning about these two famous figures, some things that really they found memorable or surprising. Let's start with you. Well, I think I've heard of Eleanor Roosevelt a lot more than so Gender Truth, Like I heard of like Harriet Tubman a lot more than so Jenner Truth. But I feel like I felt like it was really really fun learning about both of them.

And there are so many stuff I like, was like amazed by. I learned a lot more about sogn Or Truth learning about this, Like I didn't know that she had a land grant proposal to help reparations. I had no idea she was involved in that. It's really interesting. That was really cool. And I also watched the a't iowoman's speech and I thought that was really amazing. That's great. I thank you, Vivian. Is there anything about either of

our historical figures that really jumped out to you? Well, I knew more more about sojourn Or Truth than I do that I did about Eleanor Roosevelt because I read the sojourn Or truth one before, but in the Eleanor Roosevelt one, I was surprised to hear that she was part of the United Nations. I was surprised about that too. Yeah, that she's someone who just because of her words and her ideas and her compassion for other people, became such

a worldwide global figure. It's very it's very impressive and very amazing. And she's another person where you watched video of her speeches and they just they just completely overwhelm you. Nice. Well, thank you both so much for sharing. Yes, thank you very much. And now it's time for the big moment. Jane Lee's announced our winner. Who is it going to be? Elliott and b I have to tell you that Vivian had six points, but I had jumped ahead with eight

and she is our winner. Ourratulations. I had great game, Vivian, very close game. You both played very well. I A you have ten seconds for shout out school. Would you like to thank for helping you get where you are today? Um, both of my parents, Um, definitely, and my friends and my dog, And yeah, I couldn't have done it without a parents. That's great. As a parent myself, I really appreciate you saying that my children never thank me for anything.

You and your school library while receiving a set of Who Was books. I'll give a shout out myself to intern Zach, Jane Eric to Kesha's Alert for being our sojournal Truth. Thank you very much and to be in a big thank you to both of our contestants who played an amazing game. And thank you to you at home for listening to this episode. Next week please come back to us, we'll be learning who Was two more amazing people from history. Until then, this is Elliott Everywhere

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