Frida Kahlo & Walt Disney

But you know, I think Frieda is ultimately the bigger success story here. Her image is known throughout the world and she never compromised on her artistic principles. Two very different paths, but I guess it goes to show you there's no wrong way to be an artist. Who trust me, there is, and I've done it. Oh boy, before we hear that story, take it away, Eric, what do you

think you know about this? And broke up because it's signed to place the podcast because it's time to live from tongue Bland or is so called so Cow Los Angeles? Welcome to who was the history quitional? It gives contestants the chance to win mega prizes and podcast glory. I am b your announcer who always brings her a game. And here's your host, the man who stays young at heart while the rest of his body rapidly approaches middle age. It's Ellie Kaylin. Thank you be for that reminder of

my age. And thank you to Eric on the ones and twos and the threes and the force. There's a lot of great numbers there, and Eric is on all of them. And welcome everyone to the Who Was Podcast, the show that it's kind of like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games, and frankly better outfits. We've got some very well dressed contestants today. Now, our contestants were sent who Was books about too great figures from history. Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the

hopes of winning fantastic prizes. And I hope that you're all ears because today we'll be talking about the man who invented mouse ears. Well, Disney, is that why you're wearing a Mickey Mouse hat today? No, I was called and it's the only clean hat that I own. And you may have noticed that I gussied up my unit brow in honor of our first famous person, one of the most successful painters of all time, creatively, the Mexican artist frieda Callo. But before we learn more about her,

let's meet our contestants. Yes, first up, let's meet Watkins. Hello, I am Watkins, and from fact about myself as I've memorized the entire Hamilton's soundtrack. What was it about the Hamilton's soundtrack that said to you, Watkins, memorize me right now. Well, because it involves rapping a very famous potion. And Len Manuel, who I really like him. And next up we have Louisa. Louisa, please introduce yourself and give us a fun fact. I'm Luisa and I've tried to French horn. It's a really

cool instrument and it's fun to play. Yes, and I also had it's very difficult to play. So I bet Louisa is a great musician. We've got two very talented contestants today. So that's who is. Let's find out who was frieda Callo with four fast facts. Prospects one of the most important painters of the twentieth century, overcape injuries and childhood illness, and used both as subjects in her

art created dreamlike images in a realistic style. The first twentieth century Mexican artists to be featured in the Louver Museum in France Prospects. A painting of Frieda Colle is just sold for a record thirty four point nine million dollars at auction. Yes, I mean by my spreadsheet that I'm always keeping of art auctions and whatnot. That smashes the previous record held by a Latin American artist, Frieda's husband, the painter Diego Rivera Oo Drama. Though Diego and Frieda

were known for their explosive relationship, so it fits. In fact, the gossip columns at the time referred to them as free Ago. Okay, that's not true, but it's But I think Freego is a really cool name if you're looking to name something, Uh, Louisa, is there anything you'd like to name free Ago? Yeah? Like, maybe if you had a pet, what kind of pet would you name free Ago? Like a bird? Oh? I like that. I could see

a parrot being named Freego, or a budgee or a parakeet. Yeah, some kind of small bird or an ostrich, a large bird, an ostrich named Freego maybe it lives in your backyard. I don't know. And Watkins, let's say you are going to name something free Ago. Would it be an animal or perhaps a new way to cook French fries? I would say if I had to name something Friego, it would be a pan that can cook anything. All that's I mean, it's not just a great name, it's a

product that we need right now. So Watkins, get working on that. But first, hold on, let's do the show first. Let's play the game one thing at a time. In fact, let's get to know a little bit more about Frida with our first game. That's right, it's true and or false? True or false? A false? A false is a true? True is false false? That it was true or true? True or false? Thank you, Eric. I'm a big fan of a true or false song. It's a great song for this game. Okay, here are the rules. Our friend

b you've met her. We'll read a statement you well, then let us know if that statement is true or false. Take it away. Be thank you, all right, Louisa, this first question is for you. True or false. The pop singer Pink named herself Pink after she was inspired by a visit to Frida Carllo's childhood home, which was painted a flamingo shade of pink. Is that statement true or false?

That's right, it is false. Frida Callo's home in the koyak in the neighborhood of Mexico City, which she lived most of her life, and was painted blue, not pink. It was called Lacasa Azul, which means the blue House. Not that imaginative. I would have named the house free a go. Next question be okay, Watkins, This question is for you. True or false. Before Frieda could speak, she indicated that she wanted to be an artist by using a paintbrush as a pacifier. False. That's right, it was false.

Frieda didn't want to be an artist when she was a kid. Frida wanted to be a doctor when she was younger. Disclaimer this is just for all the parents out there. Do not give babies paint brushions. The last time that happened, we ended up with the Impressionists, so be careful. It's a modern artist every way anyway. Next question, be alright, Louisa, This one is for you. True or false. Frieda Callo is best known for herself portraits. Is that

true or false? Louisa, that's true. True, You're right. She didn't invent the self portrait, but Freda Carlo took it to the next level. Yeah. I like to think that Frieda had the original selfie stick, which was her paint brush. Very well said her. Portraits like wounded Deer roots or self portrait with thorn necklace on hummingbird are masterpieces. And that painting we mentioned earlier, estimated at thirty million dollars, Diego EO is also a self portrait. We'd show you

what they look like, but this is a podcast. We cannot show you things. There's nothing to look at. Do yourself a favor. Google some of those paintings. They're beautiful. Oh yeah, true, true, true. And that's the end of the first game. Oh, this game is amazing. And producer Jane will tell you the scores right after this short breaking Welcome back to the Who Was? Podcast? Everyone, Jane? Are you ready with those scores? Unbolievable? What is has?

One point? Louisa? I had too. Everybody is doing great though. We had no wrong answers in that round, right, Okay, so we're gonna have more chances, more questions. It's still anybody's game. Well, technically it's Freda Carlo's game. You know. It's like fred to Callo once said, you know what, you don't need me to tell you what Frida said. We've got her here to say it for herself. Thank you,

Thank you, Elliott. Yes it's me, Freda Carlo. I believe the quote you were looking for is nothing is absolute. Everything changes, everything moves, everything revolves, everything flies and goes away. That was exactly the quote I was thinking of. You got it. If you're at home wondering how we got in touch with Frieda Callo, well the answer is simple. It's all thanks to the who was app? Who was you want? Oh? I don't know how it works, and I'm not interested in learning. The closest thing we have

to magic is the who was Up? And I'm so excited, or as close to as excited as I can get, because I'd like to talk about something I've created specifically for kids. Kids. Do you have an artistic soul rambling around inside you, but are scared to pursue your passion? Let your Tia Frida help you with a Frieda Calo Activity book? Did you say the Frieda Calo Activity Book? See the Frieda Color Activity Book is a fun picture field guide to smashing through self in post barriers on

the way to living your future. Frida, I'd like to be an artist, but art classes are hard. What advice do you have for me? Turn to page for Elliott turning to the page and it says wow, it says I Frieda Calo learned to draw well in a full body cast after a trolley tried to kill me. Now my painting from in the loop. Don't talk to me about hard. And then there's a paint by number of an open wound. Thanks Freda, my pleasure. Hey, Frieda, I want to be an artist, but what if my family

won't support my decision? Turn to page seven B. This says my husband Diego betrayed me many times and fell in love with my sister. Familiar betrayal is a tuesday for me. Forget them, get painting. And then there's a step by step instruction on how to throw your picture with a mirror for the inevitable moment when you end up alone. Oh grasses, Frieda Elliott. Okay, okay, it says here it is I lived through polio for crying out loud.

Stop making excuses there's a paper doll skeleton with accessories, so it's beautiful. Yes, the Fall activity book for when you need a good, sweet kick in the pants to remind you to leave your dreaming. Wow. Thank you, Freda. That was both enlightening and extremely intimidating. That's my brand, well, Freda, thank you so much for joining us and talking to our contestoms today. Yes, and thanks again. Who what's up? Ah? That was great. I love talking to dead people from

the past. To who was that button? Now let's get to know more about our other who was star of today? The man behind the mouse? Eric? Yeah, give us a little sleeping beauty. Waltz Music Disney is now one of the largest entertainment companies in the world. But once upon a time, walt Disney wasn't a company. It was a person who was just a rambunctious kid with a knack

for drawing. His career path was less than magical, Yet despite personal and professional setbacks, you brought fresh ideas to cartoons, movies, TV, amusement parks, and at all in the end worked out. Even if he had that strange signature where the D looks like a G, which is a weird way to write your name. It really is. Yeah, but it's memorable. I guess Watkins, when you think about Disney, what comes to your mind? Do you also think his signature looks

a little weird? What are your thoughts about de pault Disney? Yeah, well, I think his signature definitely looks weird. That D definitely looks like a G. Thank you. I've been saying it for years years. Yeah, I know. And Louisa, Okay, I say the name Walt Disney. What is the first thing that comes into your mind? Or maybe the second thing if you like the second thing more like all the Disney movies, like the old movies, like like the Disney

Princess movies. Are all those other Disney movies? Okay? Now, um, this is my question for both of you. Do you have a Disney plus log in? And would you share the log in with me? Okay, let don't answer that question. That's not a question you should answer. Think about it. Okay, I see answering that question. Thank you logins. Don't let me take advantage of your Yeah, but you could share the you you have a job, you can afford Disney. Come on, I've got a Netflix that I could trade

it's it's my grandmother's. But I don't think that shoul I think mind it watches just the same. I don't share it with with her. You gotta we gotta teach her a lesson about about proprietary rights. All right, you guys, well we'll talk later. We'll talk later. Well, thank you both for sharing those Walt Disney thoughts and also agreeing with me about his signature. But now listen up. We've got four fast facts about Walt Disney. Pots created and

gave voice to the beloved cartoon character Mickey Mouse. Groundbreaking animator and filmmaker with Academy Awards. He has more oscars than anyone else ever, built Disneyland, disney World, and designed Epcot pskos. Now, let's get to know even more about him with our second game, which is called Walt Did Not. Here's how the game's gonna work be. We'll read three things that Walt Disney did throughout his life. However, one of them is not true. It's like a multiple choice

type thing. You will have to guess which one of the answers is Walt does not true? Take it away being okay, Watkins, This first question is for you, which one of these answers, is Walt did not? True? As a child, Walt Disney dressed up as this A Peter Pan B. Taylor Swift. See Abraham Lincoln, Um, what's your name? The nimble B. You're right, B. Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift, of course, the famous pop star whose name sounds like

a president from the nineteenth century. When what was a kid, he dressed up as Abraham Lincoln and recited the Gettysburg Address for his school, and he was also Peter Pan in a school of play. It just goes to show the silly stuff that you do as a kid that could become your job. I know it is mine, and I love it because when I was a kid, I said jokes that people do and always like next question B. And so much has changed since then. All right, Louisa, this one is for you. Which one of these is

did not? An original cartoon character by Walt Disney A Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, be Leonard the Frightened Lion, or see Mickey Mouse Leonard the Frightened I forget his name. If you don't even need to know the rest, because you got it right, that's all right. No reason to remembered, It's not true. The answer is be Leonard the Frightened Lion. Everyone knows Mickey Mouse, but before Mickey, Walt and his

partner of Eye Works. Also the great name of a cartoon character if you want created Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. So next of I mean, next up is a question for Watkins. All right, Watkins? Which one of these was did not inspiration for Disneyland, the theme park Walt Disney opened in California in a the carousel at Griffith Park, where he took his daughter's b Walt's personal collection of trains, or see the jungle cruise he and his wife Lillian took on their honeymoon, Which one of those answers is

did not true the quiz the jungle cruise. Yeah, you're right, that was the correct answer. See maybe they took a cruise. I don't know. It didn't inspire anything Walt and his wife, they didn't have based anything on their honeymoon. Instead, he cites the carouselic Griffith Park as the inspiration for building a place where families could spend quality time together. And yes, he did have a train in his backyard that you could ride around that's true, Jane said, yeah, human sized

train set. Amazing. And that's the end of that game. Jane, Jane, what's the score? You won't believe this, Elliott. It is tied at three? Al right at three? Ch okay Watkins Louisa. This is a tight game. Everything is on the line. But let me just say that I feel like Disney and fred to Carlo were both incredibly interesting artists. But what else do they have in common? Elliott? We'll find out after the break? Play us out, Eric, Hey, who was hers? I want to share a fun fact we missed.

Tell us who to call on the Who Was? App? Maybe tell us what you think? Abraham Lincoln smelled like what I'm trying to say is we want to hear from you, So send us an email or voice memo at the Who Was Podcast at gmail dot com. Welcome back to the Who Was Podcast. When we left off, our two contestants, Watkins and Louisa were tied. Wonderful, amazing. But there's more to our contestants than just these scores.

Before we head into our next round, I figured let's take a moment to learn a little more about Watkins and Louisa. So freed to Hollow's signature look was to wear flowers in her hair as a nod to her Mexican heritage. Do you have a signature look? Where are you working on them? Louisa? What would be your signature look? What's your iconic signature look? My hair? I guess like might I always keep my hair down most of the good time? You keep your hair down most this y

it looks fantastic, very healthy and conditioned, gorgeous. You could be in a shampoo commercial right now. Absolutely, now, Watkins, you are already very snappily dressed. You're wearing a suit for us now. But what's your signature look? Is that it kind of like a men's business casual wear or something else? Um No, not usually. Usually a signature look is BedHead. I mean I usually have BedHead, so also

hair related, all right? I like it sort of the opposite of Louise's answer, yeah, and and sort of opposite of your look today. I must say you look like the youngest Brooks brother right now. Thanks. Okay, Now it's on to our next and final game. This one is called sound effect Safari fect Stufari sound effects. To the foger, there's a lot of sounds, and there's gonna be even more after that. In this game, we're gonna play a sound effect inspired by something important from the life of

either Walt Disney or Frieda Carlo. You, our contestants, will tell us what the sound is and whose life it comes from, and if you want to give us an explanation, that's great. Don't feel like you have to, but that would be great. So Louisa, you are up first. Let's hear the first sound for Louisa. Lisa, do you know what that is? What does that sound? You want to hear it one more time? Okay, one more time. It's an ambulance, It's great. And whose life was related to ambulances?

Freda Cola. That's right, you got it, Frida Colo. She was often in the hospital, most notably after that trolley accident we were talking about, but her spirit was unbreakable and she found a way to keep painting. That was great. Okay, Watkins. This next sound effect is for you. Let us know what is the sound and whose life is it related to. Do you feel like you know what it is? Do you want to hear it again? Yeah? One more time? Okay? Is that the sound of Dumbo? You know what, I'll

take it. That's good. Yes, that was an elephant sound? And who would Umbo be related to? What Didney? That's right, Realt Disney's film Dumbo, which was about an elephant. Although to be honest, that was a little bit of trick. We also could have accepted free to Callo because her husband, Diego Rivera was nicknamed the elephant. They were called the elephant and the dove. Free ago next sound, but we would have accepted either. It was, but that was great.

The next sound is for Louisa. Let's hear that sound. Okay? Can you identify that sound and who it might be related to? Let us know if you need to hear it again. I think I need to hear it again. O here a second time. Any ideas? Feel free to guess if you're if you're having trouble, I don't know what it is. You don't know what it is? Okay? All right? Oh? Is like a heartbeat? That's right, it's a heartbeat. And who do you think would be related

to heartbeats? I mean, everybody has a has a heart, but in this case there are a bunch of hearts. And free to colors paintings, So I think it's from her. Yes, exactly right, Yes, so free to callos. Art often includes hearts, like real, realistic looking hearts outside of her body. They represent her connection with her emotional life and also how important it is to keep your heart inside your body. It's better there inside. Yeah. The last sound effect is

for Watkins. Watkins, you have one more sound effect to hear. Get ready, get those ears open and let's hear that sound effect. Okay, what is that sound? And whose life is it connected to the train? What Disney's life? Yes, a brain And as we know, Walt Disney had a love of trains. There's trains all over his work, in his house at Disneyland. Can't get enough of trains. He

loves trains. He's always about trains. Every time I talk to him, he's like, trains, trains, trains, And I'm like, well, Disney, enough with the trains. Yeah, trains, train. Oh, you can't get enough of those trains. That's right, He's on the train train, that's for sure. Well you both did great. That was sound effect Safari. I just want to make sure everyone knows all those sounds were done by our own eric musician extraordinaire and sound effect master weird. How

did you do those sounds? How did you make up happen? Believe it or not? I made him all up with my mouth. We'll have Jane tally the scores and announced the winner in just a moment. You could cut the tension with a knife right now, or you could paint a knife in a room representing tension like Frieda would. Now. This has been a great show. You've been great contestants, Louisa and Watkins. I have a question for you that's not a quiz question, It's just a question question. Before

we find out who won today's game. Is there something that you thought was really really cool and really exciting about our historical figures today that you wanted to share that we didn't get to talk about. Watkins, who would you want to talk about and is there something really cool you want to share about them? Yeah? I want to talk about um what Disney and something really cool that I thought It was really cool about him that

like he tried to start businesses. He had a lot of moves, which was probably tough, and at some points he used down the dumps, but he rose from one of the lowest points to one of the highest points Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? Isn't it inspiring? Uh? And Louisa, is there someone that you wanted to say something about? Also, who would you like to talk about? I think I'd like to talk about free to call. Oh, that would be great. What's what's the coolest thing about or what's

something cool? Doesn't that be the coolest thing? But something that stuck out to you that she, like, I was able to paint even though she was like in the hospital for a long time and had a bunch of injuries. And signify, Yeah, Art finds a way. Oh sorry, I mean that about Art, but also my uncle Art, who always seems to get lost and then you know, shows up twenty minutes late, but but he gets there. Yeah, he finds. So it's not always the best way to

get there, but he finds. Oh wow, you guys, thank you so much for sharing that. I think that's so wonderful that those are the things you took away from Frida and Walt. And now, without further ado, we will find out who today's winner is. Today's winner is, drum roll please, the winner is Louisa and Watkins. It's a time a time amazing. Congratulations to both of you. You both did great and look at those smiling faces. Is

this is exciting? I like ties because everybody wins. Uh. Both one a collection of who Was books for your school library and for you, and now each of you is going to get about five seconds for shoutouts and thanks. Thank whoever you want to take it away. Uh Louisa yay, Thank you to my parents and my dog yay and Watkins. Who would you like to thank real quick or just say hi to? I would like to thank maya total for getting me into this. Also, Happy Birthday talks her

birthday today. That's fantastic, Happy birthday, big. Thanks to both of our contestants are playing. You did great. It was an amazing game. Thank you for everyone who's listening to this right now. If you're not listening to this right now, I do not thank you. Join us. Next week we're gonna find out who the next two exciting historical figures are in the Who Was Podcast? Until then, this is Elliott call Oh. I mean I'm sorry Elliott Calin saying

where history? Good by everybody, Thank you, cool cool out a question for any of our famous figures. Send us a voice memo at who Was podcast at gmail dot com. It might just end up on the show. Who Was Podcast is produced by Radio Point, I Heart Media and Penguin Workshop, based on the best selling who h Q series published by Penguin. Who Was Podcast is hosted by Elliot Klin with co host Megan O'Neill as b also starring Jane Baker as Producer, Jane, Eric Shackney as Eric,

and Natasha Elias as Frieda Callo. The executive producers are Richard Corson, Alex Bach, Elliott Klin, Megan O'Neil, Daniel Powell, and Houston Snyder. The executive producer for Penguin Workshop is Francesco Sadita. The executive producer for iHeart Media is Lindsay Hoffman. This episode was written by Megan O'Neil, Elliot Caylin, Zach Timpson, and Jane Baker. This podcast was produced by Bernie Kaminski.

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