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Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of the Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday, and with me as always is my co-host. Very late on the backup recorder this week, Mason. Thank you. This doesn't go through. I don't even know what that's going to sound like. Awful.

Nick Mason. Hello. It's great to be here. I decided I made a deliberate choice to wait until you cracked your bottle. Oh, you're doing something now, are you? That's right. I've decided I've got a personality too. I've got fun little quirks that make me very special. Yeah, but your quirks are annoying to me, whereas my quirks I like. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. Now that I think about it, that was annoying what I did.

What you do is cool. Actually, I just forgot to turn the recorder on. Yeah, yeah, that's cool, man. That's all right. My fun quirk is I forget things all the time and it's inconvenient. Yeah, that's cool though. I was watching Gladiator 2. Oh, yeah. Gladiator. Gladiator. Yeah. And I checked my phone and there was like. In Gladiator? Just briefly. Mason. I had to check it. That's old man cinema.

Yeah. I had to check it to see if you texted a time to record this. And there was like 10 missed calls from my dad and I'm like, oh no. He's watching Gladiator. Everyone's died. You know, but it turned out I'd agreed to.

Meet them for lunch and I forgot. Oh, my God. I was watching Gladiator 2. So they thought you were dead. They thought I was dead. So I had to go out to the cinema and be like, listen, I'm not dead. Yeah. I just lied to you. Yeah. I wanted to see Gladiator. And? I did. Should we talk about it?

In this episode. Yeah, in this episode. We're going to talk about that and we're going to briefly talk about the penguin because we don't want things to spiral out of control, do we? That's true. But also we've got news up top, which we've got to get through. We're talking about Red Notice. Red One.

And there's just a bunch of Red One stuff that I want to talk about. Dwayne The Rock Johnson saying stuff about IMAX and Christopher Nolan. Facts and figures. Pissing in bottles. That's right. All of that. Pissing in bottles confirmed. That's right. We're going to talk about the new Star Wars trilogy. Before we get to that, do we still stand by that we thought Red One was okay? No, I thought about it, and it sucks, and I take that back. That's a shame. And it's not because...

All the reviews said it was bad because they already said that before I saw it. But then I thought about like... It just left me like... And you know what it was? Uh-oh. I fucking went away for the weekend. Right. On a dad's weekend. Uh-huh. And it completely threw me off at a big Friday night. And then I got COVID for a minute. I don't know if you remember, Mason. I got COVID for like two days. Yeah.

I saw that, yeah. And then I watched... So it just fucked me up. I didn't... And you're blaming Red One for all of this? No, I'm saying that I didn't... I recorded that after I had the big weekend and I'd had COVID. And so... No, it's bad. And I regret that I said that. I very rarely do this, but I'm taking it back. Wow. It was shit. Damn. Yeah, unless you have thoughts. I thought it was alright.

Yeah, it was all right, actually. I've seen worse movies. Yeah, but like $250 million. Yeah, that's insane, isn't it? Recycled. Well, my question is, at what point are studios going to...

realize and i don't think that now now that i've said it out loud i don't think they will that you can't just keep throwing like 20 to 30 million dollars at each star and expecting it to be returned but i guess they're not gonna they're not gonna realize that in inverted commas because then they won't be able to get 20

million dollars for being a producer or whatever exactly like if they cut it off if they go listen we're not getting enough return and i don't think it's because the stars aren't bankable we can't stop we can't we have to stop giving them all this money at the front end because we can't give it to them at the back end and then somebody be like why are we paying you so

much money yeah and then so they'll they're never gonna say it but i'm saying it's a house of cards yeah it is a house of cards as of christmas cards it's good or whatever holiday they do next for red one but probably not because it's not doing not doing well anyway we'll do that

There's time codes below, by the way. We're going to talk about how there's a new Tomb Raider. New Tomb Tomb Raider. We might have a new Tomb Raider. Update on the Simon Kingbird Star Wars trilogy. Okay. He's fired and it's cancelled. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Did we talk about this last week? We did, yeah. We just said he was on. Oh, is that all we did? Yeah. To talk about how they said that Lucasfilm said that Rey is the most valuable cinematic asset.

No, that's new for this week. Okay, we'll talk about that. Can't remember. I had COVID for a minute. Let's just vomit for a bit after that thing you've said. Okay. And then we'll talk about it. Then we're going to talk about how the director of Captain America Brave New World might be replaced, but that might not be true because it's been disputed. Then we're going to do trailers. We've got Marvel's What If Season 3 and Mission Impossible The Final Reckoning. The Final Reckoning.

And also Denzel Washington, Black Panther 3, and then Glad 2A Tour. Yeah. Let's go, Mason. Do you ever wish that you could watch this podcast in IMAX but in Christopher Nolan's favorite chair? Yeah, kind of. Do you want to experience something that you make? Well, here's the thing. I've always had this.

This thing in the back of my mind, I don't know. There's something I want and I don't know what it is. But now that you've said that, the thing that I've always wanted is to listen to this podcast and maybe watch like a audio wave, a wavy bar on an IMAX screen. Winamp. I mean, they could put up a Winamp skin, you know, up there. And I could sit in Christopher Nolan's chair. And also, he's sitting next to me.

And he thought he was going to get that chair, but I've sat down first. He's like, um, excuse me. And you're like, this is my podcast, Christopher Nolan. Yeah, that's right. I didn't take your seat when you were screening Dunkirk. I mean, I did that once. Did you? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, he was late. Melbourne's my town. Is it? It's not his town. That's true. It is in Boston, maybe. Yeah, that's right. I don't know what he's doing. Yeah. So anyway, there was an IMAX promotional video with Dwayne The Rock Johnson. And they're like, what's the deal with IMAX? You love IMAX. And this is an IMAX promotion. Can you somehow promote IMAX without promoting something you do? The Rock?

Can you do that? Can you just, out of the goodness of your heart, solely promote IMAX as an enjoyable viewing experience? Yeah. Apropos of nothing and with no kickback to yourself? Yep. Bearing in mind, you probably just got paid $30 million to do Red One. Yeah, good question. He's like, oh, good reminder about Red One. Speaking of, he said, I was mid... I was midway through shooting. I'm going to start again. I'm the rock. I didn't misspeak. I decided to say some gibberish at the start.

He said, I was midway through shooting Red One. I had the opportunity to see Oppenheimer. I watched it in the IMAX theater where Christopher Nolan watches and screens his movies. Why didn't you watch it at the time, The Rock? I don't know. I even asked them to let me sit where Chris sits. They said... Chris sits here. I watched Oppenheim. It was amazing, but it got me thinking, holy shit, red one on this screen with this technology could be game over. I remember texting.

Jake Kasdan, director, a picture of my bare chest and a picture of the screen. And we realized how cool. Wait, you were shirtless? You were shirtless in the IMAX cinema? Yeah, and we realised how cool IMAX would be. He had the realisation of how good Red One would look on the screen. He just tore his shirt off.

He was just filled with the power of cinema and he just ripped his shirt. Now, this is obviously bullshit. He doesn't mean it. Yeah, absolutely. But what about Red One made you, does any element of that movie made you go, God, I wish this was a bigger screen. No, I wish this was bigger. No, absolutely not. Oh, man, maybe it's...

time the snow wind were running across the beach yeah you know what about it looked like a apple movie what about when the witch became a really big witch what if that was even bigger using the magic of imax oh god i don't even know if i can handle that yeah So it opened in international territories other than the US last week, but now it's opening in the US and it's looking like it's going to make 30 to 35 for its opening weekend. Seems low.

it's bad i mean if this was made for 90 million dollars which it should have been and not 250 million dollars then yeah that would have been like a respectable opening but no this is going to bomb and it should because it's bad and i can't believe i said best movie ever i can't believe you tricked me but it's not the way see that's the thing i mean that's the that's the dilemma of our rating system is if it's not the worst movie i think chris evans did it i think he got me

Yeah. With his charm and his brown clothes. Oh, just his dung-soaked clothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll do it. Maybe it was best movie ever. Yeah, see? Yeah. Anyway, more DJ news or DTRJ news. That's Dwayne The Rock Johnson. I know. People call him DJ. Did you know that? Nobody calls him that. I've seen in interviews people go, they say, DJ. They say, what are you doing? And he goes, I don't know.

This is by GQ. They asked him, so we covered this a while back, but The Rock apparently was very late on a bunch of Red One shoots and other shoots prior to that, and he would...

And he was so immersed in the process of filmmaking that he'd piss in. Once he got there. Once he got there, he'd piss in bottles and hand them to people as opposed to stepping away for them. As rap gifts. Yeah. He'd hand them the rocks pissed filled bottles. You can rap that though. That's right. You rap it yourself. So they asked him about.

on lateness and he said yeah that happens but not that amount by the way that was a bananas amount that's crazy ridiculous and then they said uh they asked him about peeing in bottles and he said yeah That happens. I've said a thousand times, hey, I'm here, come and ask me and I'll tell you the truth. Sure. All right. The Rock, you're not a trucker on like a 24-hour journey.

Ship some, I don't know, some gas across state lines or whatever. You've got to piss in that bottle. Do you reckon he'd ever turd out in a bottle? Hand it to somebody on set? Do you think he'd ever turd out? Yeah. I don't think he would. No, I don't think he would. But if you asked him, he'd tell you the truth about it. No, he would. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if somebody could get that question to him. He turned now. Hey, DJ. Hey, DJ. He turned now. Turn now, brother.

Big time. So, yeah, just good stuff. Good stuff. Also, you don't have to confirm any of those things, The Rock. You could have just said, what is anybody talking about? Don't ask me that. It's a weird thing to ask. Is there any proof of that? Yeah. Just all these turded out bottles. Just go to the provided bathroom on set because you're The Rock. Yes. You're a big celebrity. You're a big celebrity. And you can just be like, hey, let's pause for five minutes while I turd out everyone.

And then it'd be like, and the director would be like, and all the sets would part, and the director would have the loud halo, and he'd be like, the rock's turning out, everybody. It's turning out. Quiet on set. Quiet on set. Oh, not break for lunch? Nope. Just quiet. I'll be quiet. Listen to him turning out. Yeah, that's right.

This is my tear chart. Did we not talk about this last week? We talked about the Simon Kinberg thing. Oh, brain is melted. That he's a famous bullet dodger. Yes. That we only remember the good stuff he's done and not all the bad stuff. Okay. So there's a new style. I'll just recap. There's a new style.

The Star Wars trilogy is from Simon Kinberg. He also worked on Rebels. He produced a bunch of X-Men stuff and directed one bad X-Men movie. But whose fault is that? Who knows? Probably is. He's the director. It's unsure at the moment whether this is a continuation of the Rey... Skywalker saga or something new apparently the reason for the debate is the hoped for trilogy

would feature Rey in some form. This is why THR. And last week we talked about how it was probably going to be, she was probably going to be some sort of mentor for the next generation. So they've skipped. So she's... just barely become a Jedi in the last trilogy. And then they're going to skip over all her adventures that she's presumably had. And now she's going to be, there's a new, there's a new team. I'm a new team. Exactly. Yeah. Apparently though, there is also.

Other stuff going on because there was already a standalone Ray movie from Shereem Abide Chinoy. It's called Ray. Yeah. Ray. But that might not be happening now. Yeah. Because they want to put her in this. And the reason is because there's internal deliberation at Lucas. film as what they want to do with their hair to the skywalker saga next and they said and i mentioned this up top she's the most valuable cinematic asset in some ways maybe the only one star wars has right now

Which I don't think is necessarily true. They've got people like the Mandalorian. Like the Mandalorian? People like Finn. They could bring back Kylo Ren somehow. They could bring him back. He's in one of the clone things. His spirit went into the clone. Spirit went into a Snoke. He grew into a Snoke. But then he grew back into a Kylo Ren. I went back into a Kylo Ren. Yeah, that's right. He's the Force. He would have. Right? Easy.

Problem solved, everybody. They're always introducing new Force powers. That's what I'm saying. So you use the Force power, turn Snoke into Kylo Ren. Hell yeah. He's turned out. Wow. He's turning out into a Kylo Ren here, everybody. Quiet on the Millennium Falcon, everybody. He's turning out into Kylo Ren.

According to sources, Ray is said to play a role in several movies that are being developed, although which ones remains unclear. That I believe. And also, does Daisy Ridley know about any of this? It's a great question because they've been stringing her along for a while for a bunch of different projects and this and that and whatevers. I think she will return. It's just a matter of when. And money. Yeah, and money. This is, get it together. Right?

What are you doing? Make another trilogy. Just make another trilogy that everyone loves. Easy. Easy. Remember when the last one came out? 2019. Yeah, I remember that. 100 years ago. God. We're all so young. Oh, God. That's it. Yeah. Just thinking about 2019. Yeah. It's having the time of my life, mate. The hottest tune was, hottest tune off the top of my head, it was Circles by Post Malone. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. One of the, yep.

Did you have to listen to Free Malone's work to understand? Did you have to? Did you have to do that? I did have to do that. And did it help? No, because that doesn't exist, that artist. So what did you listen to then? I just sort of. delved into a black hole in my mind. This is a good episode. Who's to say? It's impossible to know, isn't it? Cellophane by FKA Twigs. Oh, yeah. It's a good song. Is it? Yep.

And Watermelon Sugar by Harry Styles. Did we listen to that? I remember that. Yeah. That one I do know. Huh. I know music. Yeah. Yeah, he was around, isn't he? Yeah. All right, we've got to move on, Mason. Enough with your cultural references. Boy With Love BTS. What happened to them? They all went into the army for a bit. Oh yeah, they had that McDonald's meal and then they went into the army.

Those related? Yeah, that's right, yeah. Cool. That's what happens if you agree to a collaboration with McDonald's to make a signature meal, then you get drafted. All right, that's cool then. We should do that. This is a good episode. It's a good episode. I agree. This is my deadline.

Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider? Apparently Sophie Turner is the likely choice to play Tomb Raider in the Amazon TV reboot. Hayley Atwell is currently playing Tomb Raider in the animated series on Netflix. People are angry because obviously Sophie Turner does... doesn't have triangular breasts. Correct, yes. Which is what everybody looks from this. Currently, yeah. I mean, obviously things can change. But, yeah, there is obviously comments around the way that she looks and people's idea of what...

Lara Croft should look like. Big boobs. Yeah, there's a big boobs thing. That's it. That's all that people require from this. But I think if this is true. There's ways around that. I don't know if women have discovered ways to. pretend that's true pretend that's true yes correct i don't pretend anything is true okay i just think all things are true yeah um but also you're not gonna see him

So it doesn't matter. That's a good point. You know, technology to do that. Don't even worry about it. Or she could just not, you know? Yeah, correct. It's fine. Just be as she is. I don't know enough about her to like picture her body in my mind anyway. So I don't, you know, Game of Thrones under.

Big wool and shawls and shit. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. But this is the Phoebe Waller-Bridge-led series. She's creating it. Let's do more Tomb Raider. I enjoy Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider. Always re-releasing the games and whatever. That's cool. I like that. I'm a big fan. I'm looking up Sophie Turner ponytail. See how she looks. Because that, to me, iconically more than like the big boobs. Yeah. It's the Lara Croft. She's got the ponytail. Okay.

Oh, no, she looks bad with a ponytail. No, she looks fine. Is it a braid or a ponytail? I don't know about that, Mason. Also, I think that's AI. Is that AI? That is AI. Yeah, it doesn't look right. Yeah, that's not right at all. Did Google make that when you typed it in? I don't know. I don't know. Isn't it interesting how everything's bad? Yeah, this is bad. I can't get any good results. Yeah. Anyway, thanks, Google. Yeah, thanks, Google. You've done it again.

being terrible yeah all right should we move it along to this next thing yes uh take this as a rumor it has been disputed but it's worth talking about it's by a world of real otherwise what else we're going to talk about what are we just going to have two minutes of silence here exactly ridiculous in honor of what

We don't do anything. We've never done anything relevant. Also, we don't give one minute of silence to anything. It doesn't matter if a celebrity dies or something. We don't give them one minute of silence. What are we going to give two minutes of silence to? No, we won't do it.

The series finale of Bluey? Maybe. I would do that, actually. Julius Ona is the director of Captain America Red, White, and Bird. I think I've settled on that title, by the way. But the World of Real is saying that he's not.

Oh. He's in over his head. Owner will keep his directing credit on Brave New World and he's being a good sport about it, but he's certainly not calling the shots on the movie. It did get extensive reshoots. Didn't test super well. I don't know how it's tracking. The last trailer was, you know. Looked pretty good, pretty punchy. Who are they going to get? Ron Howard? No, I think they're just going to get... They're just going to...

Maybe. Alan Smithy? I mean, it's filmed. Is it going to be an Alan... Are they going to bring back the Alan Smithy films? I think it means that they've taken control of the movie. It's been filmed and they're going to put it together. They are. They are. So a producer will get a directing credit. This is a chance. Feige would probably do it. Well, this is a chance for some aspiring Marvel producer full of cocaine and dreams to jump in on this and be like.

I'm the director of this now. Look at me. Look at me. I'm the director on this movie now. That's right. Amen. God, this is great. It wouldn't surprise me. I don't know whether this is true. This has probably happened on multiple Marvel movies that we've never even heard about. Oh, that's true, yeah. We don't know because everybody's got an NDA on them probably, yeah. And there's not a lot of them who come back. There seems to be certain directors who, like, they lock in for a few.

But a lot of them are one and done. Yeah. And then, not a lot. I don't know. I don't know what the ratio is. I don't have the numbers in front of me. It just seems that way. It seems that way, doesn't it? Yeah. Trails ahoy. Honk. What if? Mm-hmm. It had a season three trailer. What do you think of that? That'd be pretty good. So for those people who don't know, what if is Marvel?

Like, what if a different thing happened? Yeah. What if a guy was a different guy? What if a guy wore a different costume? A different guy's costume. A different guy's costume in a different time, maybe. Or maybe the same time. Maybe the same time, yeah.

They're really taking advantage of the what-if formula, aren't they? Yeah, that's right. There's some other stuff going on in this one. So we got Red Guardian and Bucky working together. Okay, what if they did that? What if they did? Probably wouldn't get along and then they would get along. What about mechs?

Avengers but Max. We saw that. What a great. What if. What a great. What's wrong with that? I mean. What's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with it. Mason, what's wrong with it? That just kind of feels like fan art brought to life. Yeah. Or like, again, an AI. That's what all of this is. It's an AI premise. It's those videos we've seen. saying that are like what are superheroes but they're yachts remember that video we saw we do i want to do a reaction to that still we should do it um

Chongchi and Kate Bishop, but they're in a Western. Okay, sure. Yeah, what if? Well, they've got a different background. Different guy. Different set, incredible. Yeah. Storm is the goddess of thunder. She's got the hammer. That's in a way it's the MCU debut of a mutant. No, it's not. They did it already. Ms. Marvel? Beast. Oh, yeah. And others. Patrick Stewart was in it.

Etc. Deadpool and Wolverine. You missed Deadpool and Wolverine. She's going to be voiced by X-Men 97's Alison Silly-Smith. So that was the big reveal at the end. Storm's lifted Thor's hammer in the comics before, hasn't she? wielded it in such. In a what if, in fact, she'd done it. But also in a real time. Cool, man. But in a way, none of them are real. Sorry to burst your bubble. No, that's alright. Somebody had to tell me. Yeah, you're old enough, I reckon.

Huge cast. I don't know if you saw the cast. Just a big list. Everybody who's still doing Marvel stuff is in there. Elizabeth Olsen is returning. Anybody else who doesn't have a lot going on, they're back. Yeah, get in there. It's going to be eight episodes and there's going to be one a day from December 22nd onward. What do you think? That's like eight days of Christmas. What do you think of that? I think it is good. Yeah. That's not the only trailer. And that'll leave a big, you know.

Eight hour gap for people to talk about, you know. Do you reckon we should do an episode a day over Christmas and we'll do recaps and then collings and all of us can work over Christmas and up to New Year's? No, we shouldn't do that. But what if he wants to do it?

What if he insists that we do it? Oh, then I guess we have to do it. Okay, we're going to do it, Collings. Thank you for the recommendation. Okay. No one's gone for Christmas this year, are we? No, that's right. We're all in it together. That's right. All right, we've got another trailer, though. I'm just saying there's kind of a significant lack of what if an element changed in the Marvel Universe and then the subsequent...

you know, upheaval that results in kind of thing. Yeah, you're right. But all of these are just for... Two seasons thus far. It's just what if this guy wore a different outfit? No, they're doing different time periods. They did a Captain America Avengers in the fucking medieval and stuff. They did Marvel Zombies, which is getting its own show.

You know, these are all good things. But anyway, there's another trailer which is more important, which I didn't even know this was coming, but Mission Impossible. The final reckoning. It's number 48 on trending. I'm looking at this at YouTube right now. Whoa. That's pretty good. That's bad, though. 48's bad. 48's bad. It's pretty low. Why even trend? What's above it, though? What's 47? Let's have a look. Agent 47. No. No? No. I clicked on it and then Jake Paul stuff came up.

Well, you've got a lot of opinions on Jake Paul. Yeah, he fucking sucks. Do you think the fight was rigged? No, I think it was never going to be anything. I think that, no, it was just... As I talked about, I think we recorded an episode of something else, which is a big sandwich. Yeah. Recorded before it happened. I said something like, it's not, they're both not.

It's not a serious thing. You said none of them are real. They're not real. You said they're figments of my imagination, but I don't think that's true. Your imagination or my imagination? Either. Both of us thought about it. I think in my mind they're figments of your imagination, but you're a figment of my imagination. That might be true. Yeah.

I think Jake Paul markets himself around, what if this guy fucked me up? Wouldn't you want to see that? And yeah, we all want to see that, but it's not going to happen, Mason. We're dreaming of this thing. That's right. We're dreaming of a better world. Yeah. Where this absolute ghoul gets his fucking head caved in. But not that I want that. Sure. I'm a man of peace. Mason.

Mission Impossible, The Final Reckoning. Is it The Final Reckoning or just Final Reckoning? The Final Reckoning. Is it? Yep. I'm looking at it right now, the teaser. Planes, stunts. That's right. Tom Cruise's last one, maybe? Ooh, references to other movies, maybe. Yeah, what references have you seen? Well, there's a couple. There's the...

At one point, he's holding a knife that is very similar to the knife that he drops. The MI2 knife. No, the MI1 knife. Nah. That he drops. Yeah, no, you're right. Or drops in the desk, rather. Did he go back and get that knife? No, I think it's just a similar knife. But there is also, I think, the MacGuffin that, like, I think it's a biological contaminant or something from Mission Impossible 3. Yeah, he's got the hair. Yeah. There's a moment where he's got...

The Mission Impossible 3 haircut. So some of these I think maybe are flashbacks or they're in his mind perhaps. I don't know. So this is the second part of Dead Reckoning, but of course Dead Reckoning Part 1 didn't do that well. No, because Barbie and Oppenheimer opened the week after as well. Yes, and also because they... Tom Cruise insisted everybody got paid during COVID. And I think this one.

He insisted nobody got paid. That's exactly right. To make up for last time. We're doing it a different way. That's right. Remember you got paid for two movies last time. So now you're getting paid for zero movies. You still have to come in. It was in your contracts. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Am I still in Scientology? Who knows? Yeah, I would say so. But this one is, you know, that ended on a cliffhanger. And is he going to find the key to shut down the entity once and for all?

Maybe. Is this his last adventure? Maybe. The poster and a lot of like. It would suggest to me that he's going to make a big sacrifice. He's got the busted up face of a guy who's going to make a sacrifice. Big sacrifice. Tom Cruise, are you going to make a big sacrifice in real life too? Do you think he would for us? Yeah, definitely. For humanity. Well, he did make a deal with Warner Brothers. So this is a...

over from is it paramount are they maybe so i think yeah i think for the time being this is this is this might be it yeah yeah it's paramount of paramount pictures corporation okay yeah It's also a unit of Viacom. Right, terrific. Yeah. Terrific. It's a home to a global media brand that creates compelling televisual programs, motion pictures, short form content, apps, games, consumer products, social media experiences, and other entertainment content for audiences in more than 180 countries.

I thought there were only like seven countries. It's wild. What else are we getting here? There's a lot of running. Five planes. They've really leaned into. There's that guy they gave diarrhea to in the first movie. Oh, yeah. Do you think he's still got diarrhea? Yeah, permanent diarrhea. I think that's squirted into his coffee cup.

has given him diarrhea for 30 years and he wants revenge. Did we talk about this? Maybe we did. I think he's the guy behind the entity. He created it. He's a computer guy that created the entity. Because you gave me diarrhea. You got severe diarrhea. Is Angela Bass the president now? Yeah, she's back. Was she in the last one or the one before? She was in Fallout. Okay. She was the head of the CIA.

who sicked Henry Cavill on everybody. Yeah. If you recall. He was rude. He was. Let's see. It looks like Vanessa Kirby's teaming up with the IMF team now. They're all back. All the greats. Ving Rhames is here. Yep. Others. The guy that's like. Yes. You know that guy? Ethan. That guy? No, he's not back. But the. He's going to be in it though. Unless he's dead. I can't remember.

You might be back. This feels like some of it's going to be a greatest hits kind of situation. But, yeah, it's looking good. Is the biplane stunt the biggest stunt or is there something else? No, I think there's something else going on. Oh, we haven't seen the extent of the biplane stunt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I think... Some or all of them are going to make a big time sacrifice and defeat the entity in the name of human creativity and not AI. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's pretty cool. I still remember seeing the teaser because he couldn't go to CinemaCon or whatever. And it's Tom Cruise on the biplane. He's like, thanks for coming out and watching movies. And then how the plane like rolls and peels off when he's sitting on the wing. And I remember watching that and it physically made my stomach drop. Just because of seeing Tom Cruise on the screen. I've never experienced that. I watched it on my phone. I didn't even...

Wasn't sitting at IMAX. Yeah, there's a moment here. There's a lot of hugs between. There's a hug between him and Benji. Him and Benji and him and Bing Rames. And it's very much like somebody's going to make the sacrifice. Is he going to sacrifice Benji? You should. Is that what's going to happen? Maybe.

Yeah, because they've both got, him and Benji both have the busted up faces of a guy who's going to make a sacrifice. Do you reckon you think it's one, but one of them's wearing a mask or something? Yeah, or maybe. And you think it's Benji, but it was Tom Cruise. There's a big time underwater kiss happening.

Oh, because he's in the ice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's shirtless in a lot of this. Did you notice? I did notice this, yeah. You a fan of that? He's going all out. Yeah, cool. Is that Jeremy Renner? No, I don't think it is. Oh, that'd be cool. Sorry, I'm just looking at the Jeremy Renner app. That's why I thought that. Is that why you thought it was Jeremy Renner? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I'm very excited for this. Me too. Looking good. That's going to be May 21st, 2025.

So it's coming up. Not so far away. Not so far away. Not so far away. I would imagine that Paramount will want to continue this in some way. I know Glenn Powell was asked about this week. That's right. Would you? And he's like, no. Glenn Pound, I read he was offered People Magazine's Sexiest Man of the Year, but he's like, no, no, Krasinski should have it.

He didn't say Krasinski should have it, but that's who it is. Somebody else, yeah. That's who it is. They're always late, aren't they? Yeah. Krasinski. Do you think Krasinski earned it? Well, it says here he got two million extra votes from Langley, Virginia, the home of the CIA. Is that? You think that has anything to do with it?

I don't know anything. Yeah, I don't know. That's probably unrelated. Probably some big fans of him down there. Probably like Jack Ryan. Yeah, well, that's getting a movie. He's getting his own Jack Ryan movie now. Something else I saw Glenn Powell related that seemed insane. I saw some, did you see, there were some set photos of him on the show.

the set of The Running Man. Oh, I didn't see that, actually. Well, it's just him running. Is he wearing, like, the Speedo? No, he's just wearing, like, work wear, like a car jacket and stuff. Oh, so it's like... Oh, he's like a man of the people. Again, I think it's going to be closer, I think, to the original novel. Yeah. So it's just guys running around. There's no colourful killers. Yeah.

I mean, maybe they'll do half and half. I watched Hitman again the other day. What did you think? It's great. It is good, isn't it? It's such a good movie. It's just really fun and chilly. Of the two, what do you like more? This is probably a foregone conclusion. Of the two of them. No, I meant of Hitman and The Killer.

The two Netflix. I mean, they're different animals, aren't they? They're very different. They're both ostensibly very killers. I do want to re-watch. I was talking to Ben, who edits a bunch of cool stuff for us, Mason. We make them cool. And, yeah, we were talking about the killer.

And it made me go, I need to rewatch The Killer. I love that opening sequence where he's like planning it all out. It looks a lot worse on Netflix. Oh. Because, you know, the weird compression. The thing in the happening, yeah. Okay.

Anyway, Mission Impossible, I mentioned it's out May 21st of next year, but let's move it along, Mason, to this. Oh, you know what it was? I'm going to find it. Here it is. You're going to love this. I don't know if this is true or not. This is from Crazy Ass Moments in New Metal History. Okay. So whether it is accurate, but I mean, they're not known to lie over at crazy ass moments in new metal. Not that I know about this.

Baz Luhrmann is in talks with Paramount Pictures to direct a Fred Durst biopic rumored to be titled My Way with Glenn Powell in the lead role. None of that is true. But wouldn't it be fun if it was true? Everything said there is incorrect and a lie, and why would any of that come together? I would love it too, though. Would you? Do you think Glenn Powell would make a good Fred Durst? Yes. Have you seen him in Hitman? You can't get somebody... No, they're not. He's way too...

No, first of all, no, just in general. But, like, I don't know. I don't even know. That's not true, that thing that you said. I know it's not true. You lied to me. You lied to me on this show. Mason. I used to do that interview with some woman. She was doing street interviews and she came up to Baz Luhrmann for that interview. No. And she had no idea that it was Baz Luhrmann. How did he react? He was, I don't know, he was very nice about it, but one when he's like, what are we doing here?

Because it's one of those ones, you know, that just weird people come up to you on the street. Hey, what's going on? What are you doing? What's your body count? Et cetera. Yeah, exactly. It was one of those. Don't ask Baz Luhrmann that. No. No. It's one. Yeah, he told me. Today's show, Mason, Channel 9. Familiar with it?

Of course. They spoke to Denzel Washington. Denzel. They were talking to him about the Glad Theatre. The natural home of Denzel Washington. That's right. The Today Show. Wait, Australia's Today Show? Australia's Today Show, Channel 9. Okay. Who was the host?

Carl, maybe? Carl Stefanovic? I don't know. Maybe. Let me check. I don't care. I'm not looking this up, actually. He said, I'm only interested in working with the best. I don't know how many more films I'm going to make. Probably not that many. I want to do things I haven't done. Ryan Coogler's writing a part for me in the next black...

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dhr said don't make a run for it get out of there scot free you know that's funny So that's him in the little animated marquee. He gets all the studio money, puts it in his trench coat pox, and he turns into a bird. He flies away into the night with all their money. That's art. THR said Gladiator is under budget.

uh sorry they spoke to him and he said gladiators under budget and then he holds up 10 fingers signaling that the film ended coming in under 10 million dollars of whatever the budget was allotted paramount insiders noted that the sequel had a net budget of 250 million dollars so it's

$240 million, I guess, if that's true. Hell yeah, or $260 million. Maybe you meant just $10 million. Just $10 million. Give me $10 million. Maybe you were saying that for all the money I stole. That's right. I'm top, brother. The box office, it's only opening outside of the US, not everywhere, but...

It's having an international, because international is everywhere but the U.S. Mason, you know that. I know. Of $80 to $90 million. But to us, it's domestic, isn't it? That's right. That's right. But the U.S. are getting red one this week because they didn't get it last week. That's right. So luckily. They're going to get it this week, aren't they? Oh, they're going to.

Oh, they're going to get it. And it's good. I was joking when I said it was bad. It's actually good and you should go. Has the check just cleared from Red One Productions? Oh. Brain damage. Mason, what do you think the story was? Oh, come on. All right. Yeah. All right. So. Gladiator. Do you remember the first Gladiator? Yeah, we just watched it. Well, it's much the same. Yeah. So, you know, it's the Roman Empire. It is. And they're bloody. They're always out there.

There's always a couple of bloody. It's not touching stuff. Look at how you're touching stuff all the time over there. Leave it alone. Yeah. Leave it for the British Empire to get later. Exactly. We'll leave some for us. I'd love one. Why can't we go around and steal and stuff? I'd love one. Anyway, they're getting out there. They're expanding their empire because they've got a couple of bloody...

A couple of bloody inbred syphilis-riddled Ed Sheeran-looking guys who are the emperors of Rome. They're the twin emperors of Rome. Yep. Are they cool? They're uncool. They're not cool, man. They're not cool, I don't think. They look bad. Yeah, they look like they giggle at inappropriate things. They do. And I don't think that's cool. One of them's got a monkey. Right.

You think that's cool, but it's not. No, he's got it in the least cool way. Yeah, man. He doesn't have it in a cool way like Michael Jackson had it. Wouldn't you agree? I don't agree with that, actually. Interesting. I don't. Anyway, but they're out there, and they're getting out, and they go to a little nation, and they're like...

Let's send our best general in there, Pedro Pascal. Hell yeah. And he's going to go and he's going to send all this, get the soldiers in and he's going to take over this little, this tidy little town. Yeah. And destroy it all. And he does. But guess what he killed? Paul Meskel's wife. Yep. Because Paul Mescal lives there with his wife. I mean, not now.

Paul Meskell has his own backstory. Maybe he's got his own backstory. Maybe they revealed it in the trailer. Maybe everybody's got a little backstory and they all link together in a funny way. That's right. But anyway, they capture Paul Meskell and they're like, you're going to be a slave.

It's not all bad news. Maybe if you're a good enough slave, you can graduate to being a gladiator. Then it's party time. You know what I mean? You can fight whoever you want. Maybe you can meet a cool guy like Denzel. Yeah, man. Maybe he's got his own agenda. Maybe that's linked together with all the stuff. It might just be, Mason. Yeah. And then the movie Gladiator happens again. For the most part. It's a sequel that's also a reboot. Yeah. This is a long time coming.

So Rusty Crowe was initially going to return to this. We recently covered it for Caravan and Garbage. That's right. There was the insane Nick Cave sequel, which was going to make him an immortal being who...

Has to go back to earth and kill Jesus. Yeah. The studio, I saw an interview with Russell Crowe where he talked about how they put some herbs on him and they put him in a cave for a few days and they roll the rock. Yeah, the Nick Cave. And they roll the rock back and he comes out and he goes, I'm gladiator. And the rock, the rock is the real. rock is the real the rock yeah but um this but they end up throwing all of that away and russell crowe is in this in like animated scot-free

painting flashbacks. Yes, that's right. It sort of seamlessly segues from the Scott Free marquee to a little animated intro. I really liked that. What did you think of that? I also, in the theatre, I'm like, who made that Scott Free?

Like production logo. I'd like to know, but I didn't look it up. No. Maybe I will at some point. I guess you wouldn't really want to know. So yeah, this, again, long time coming. Paul Meskell, he definitely plays this differently than Russell Crowe. They've got a completely different kind of... vibe and persona don't you think i think there's a rage to russell crowe which paul mescal well his character doesn't he's not

Well, this character is – I mean, at one point in this movie, Denzel says of Paul Meskel's character, you're filled with rage. Yeah. But I don't know if I always felt that. I didn't feel that, yeah. I think – and I love Paul Meskel. I think he's a great actor, but I think – I didn't find that character as compelling as Russell Crowe's Maximus. Interesting. How did you feel about that? I thought. I think they should have leant more into.

I guess you don't care what I think. I mean, no, I do, Mason. I care deeply about all of your thoughts and feelings. We're good friends. That's correct. But... I noticed you didn't invite me on your boys' weekend where you all got COVID. You wanted to go and get COVID? No, I didn't want to do that. And meet a bunch of dads? No, that sounds awful. But it would be nice to be asked.

So I could say no. I'll ask you next time. That sounds bad. I don't want to go. I don't want to ask you in case you do say yes. I don't want it to be like a gesture and then you actually take me up on it. Then I'm like, I didn't really want him to come. Yeah, exactly. I didn't want to go. So. Let's just keep the dynamic the same. Okay, we can do that. But I think, yeah, you're right. They're talking about what kind of person he is, but he's not really that kind of...

No. Yeah, or he didn't come across to me. But, you know, he's very charismatic and he's good at all the action sequences. Well, it's interesting because the only Paul Meskel thing I'd seen was All of Us Strangers with the Andrew Scott movie. Oh, I've got to watch that, yeah. And I know he's in Normal People. And that's all modern day stuff. So I'm like, I wonder how this is going to play as a...

Is he a modern day man? Is he going to fit in here? But fortunately, like his modern day haircut looks like we've moved back into the sort of that Roman hair down look. Hair down look. So, you know. Hair down look, boys. Seamless. Let's go. That's right. Yeah.

But I thought he did a good job. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, very compelling. I just don't think the narrative is as interesting as the first one. I found the narrative to be the same. Yeah, well, that is probably also true. I think it's interesting that they've got some... returning characters and actors like Connie Nielsen returns as I was going to say who she is. I mean, she's Marcus Aurelius' daughter. Yeah, and she's in the first one and maybe she has a son.

Or whatever. Disappeared in the first movie. What happened to him? I don't know. And Derek Jacoby comes back as Senator Gracchus. So it's those two. And I really wanted...

J'mon Honsu to turn up he could have been and I did because there's a there's a gladiatorial doctor in this who I actually quite liked I don't know the name of that actor but I think that could have been a role that maybe he could have done well see you J'mon you would you would want J'mon Honsu to be here but unfortunately for you he got such a big pay

Sheck on Shazam 2, Fury of the Gods. He doesn't have to come back. Because he did that sequence where he had his head on Wonder Woman's body or whatever. Exactly. That was a good movie. I think so too. Yeah. So I think also the new, I think Pedro Pascal is great. I think. I would have loved to see more of him. There's a real nuance to that guy. He's more Maximus than... Because he has been sent to... He's the general that's sent with his army to take over various regions for these emperors.

and when he knows they're lunatics yeah and he wants to come back and just leave it alone but they keep wanting to expand the empire but he's you know that's his duty that's his job and he doesn't want to do it and of course he's you know he did he personally Did he personally? No, he didn't personally kill Paul Meskel's wife. But he ordered it, basically. He commanded it. So now he's, you know, he is. He's the target. Yeah, he's as decent a man as you could be, I guess, in that time period.

And doing his job. Well, he's doing the Rusty Crow job. Yes. Which is also interesting because it's revealed in this that he worked for... Like he was, you know, he was in his Legion or whatever. He was his towel boy. He was his towel boy. And so, yeah, so he's obviously, you know, you would think he is the antagonist. Yeah. Because he's the man.

mescal wants to kill paul mescal the actor yes uh yeah but i i think compelling performances are and i think denzel is great he's a he's a former slave who Has a real interest in wheeling and dealing. Oh, yeah. And power brokering. Moving up in the world. Moving and shaking. Yeah. Maybe he's got more power broking than we know. Yeah. There's our Washington.

Really good. Yeah. Really fun in this. I know he's talked about how he's just getting out there and having a real good time. And you can see that. He's just, he's living it up, Mason. And I really liked Joseph Quinn and Fred. Maybe. No, we're good as the Syphilis Brothers. Yeah, yeah. Also, a nice preview of what Pedro Pascal and Joseph Quinn are going to be doing in Fantastic Four. Oh, yeah, I didn't even think of that. It's just Quinn being really creepy and weird. Yeah.

Yucking it up. Hey, Reed, should I flame on, Reed? Hey, Reed. Hey, Reed. Is it time to flame on so I can fire Galactus, Reed? I think there's a jumping around. about who the villains are in this in a way that I think you don't get enough time to latch onto one before they're kind of oh interesting and the final villain kind of like I wouldn't say comes out of nowhere but it kind of they take this handbrake turn into like

It's Hitler. It's Hitler. Yeah. Time traveling Hitler. It's part of the Nick Cave script. But they do, don't you, I felt like they took this turn into, oh, this is the bad guy. And like, I know he's a bad guy, but they, there's a particular act of this person.

perpetrates just before, like, the climax. Yeah, I guess so. But, I mean, I think overall I enjoyed all the intrigue. Okay. The wheelings and dealings? The wheelings and dealings, and there's so many kind of, you know, it's a world full of, like, people. you know...

They're eavesdropping behind some vines. It's a world where there's always just somebody in a toga behind a column covered in vines, and they're just like, ooh, someone's plotting against the emperors. I'm not complaining about that, Mason. Ooh, you know? Yeah. But you're right, it is the same narrative in the first movie.

where they're planning a revolution to overthrow the Emperor, except it's Emperor's because it's a sequel. That's right. Do you reckon they wrote Emperor's dollar sign? I think they probably did, yeah. Yeah, but because it is, and I guess it's the same thing like The Force Awakens did. At the end of the movie was Let's Return...

Rome to a, um, a Republic Republic. And then, and this they're like, but they didn't, they didn't do it. So I guess. Oh yeah. The bad guys came back. Yeah. They came back. But now they're weird. There's two. They're more, they were more inbred than they were. One as a monkey.

And they've got more monkeys as well. Yeah. They've got mutant monkeys. They've got a lot of mutant monkeys and sharks and rhinos. They've got so many rhinos, they're eating the rhinos. They're eating rhinos out there, mate. You know? Well, let's talk about the battle sequences. Because I think they...

They don't hit like the old ones. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I think they are more complex. Like there is one where they flood the stadium and they have a sea battle. Which might be true. Yeah, they used to do that. Yeah, they were going to do it in the first movie as well. There is, of course, a scene where...

Denzel is reading the newspaper. That's true. Which I assume is being manually written out by a slave, thousands of copies. Yeah, that's how they did it. Because the Pretty Press didn't exist at that point. God, that's cool as. So yeah, I thought the best fight was the baboon fight at the start.

Oh, yeah, okay, sure. So at one point, yeah, in one of his earlier battles, Mescal is sent out, whose character's name I can't remember, is sent out with a number of... Well, doesn't that say something also that you don't remember the character's name? Just because it's not Maximus. They should have called him Not... I'll tell you his name.

So his name's Hanno. That's his real name. Correct. Yeah. But yeah, he's sent out with some other gladiators, like trainee gladiators, and they're like, all right, we'll see how you do against a couple of guys. Okay, you did well against a couple of guys. What about some insane CGI? baboons yeah would you like that yeah freaky it was good it's kind of like a zombie fight yeah yeah yeah uh i enjoyed there was there's um the but the sequence where uh hano decides uh

He doesn't decide. He's set up against... It's like the previous movie where he's set up against one of the veteran... yeah gladiators yeah and he's and it's a it's a guy on a like a tricked out rhino with like a and he's got a bunch of gadgets and gimmicks he's got he's got bolos and axes and swords and all sorts also when that guy came out on a rhino and there's like nine of them i'm like that's not good for you

like a guy on a rhino, notoriously unreliable animal. Wow. But, you know, whatever. Yeah, no, I actually didn't mind that. Yeah. And he's touching the earth. He's touching that earth. Rubbing his hands together. That's right. Making it happen. yeah i just thought it was just it felt a little less kind of spectacular to me than it felt the whole thing felt a little too not complex but convoluted um okay i wasn't like i'm lost but i'm like this feels unnecessarily like

I don't know. Would you say you were lost? I didn't know what was happening. Yeah, that's what I figured. Yeah. So what they're doing is they're showing a series of still images. Yeah, but no, what do you mean? For 24 of them in a second. No, because they were...

It was like you watch it. Yeah, but they show a bunch of them really fast and it looks like them. Yeah, but I would still know if they were still images. Like I know what a still image is. So I don't think that's. Okay, maybe I'm wrong then. You were definitely wrong, yeah. I enjoyed that. Like you mentioned, I enjoyed this.

the sequence where they flood the Coliseum. It wasn't a lot to it. No, but it was sort of fun because they're replicating a famous sea battle from that era. So they've got the gladiators on one boat and then a team of...

from praetorian guards i guess or another or an opposing team of gladiators from another city i guess who knows you know yeah maybe from new jersey or whatever i mean from new jersey yeah and they and they have a seat but i thought that was fun yeah a lot of fun just want to point out also i didn't think it was bad

I just didn't love it. If I were to critique this, I kind of feel like, and it's a problem that we see in a lot of... movies we see in a lot of comic books we see it so much in comic books that there's a term for it's called a fridging oh yeah and i think you know paul mescal has a wife for two minutes in this movie so i don't i like i mentioned that she gets killed i don't think it's a spoiler because she's barely in it she's in it for two seconds and then

not a character gets an arrow to the chest yep and then he feels bad about it and now i think there's later on there's another one where it's just like yeah there's someone dies and then they get over it yeah you know so someone dies and they get over it yeah should we do some spoilers

I enjoyed this way more than you did, I think. I liked it. I'm going to say best movie ever. I liked it. I'm going to say no ifs or buts. I found this to be the best movie ever. I had a fun time. I agree it is the best movie ever, and this one I will not take back. Let me tell you.

me asking this question yeah um do you think did you enjoy it more or less than napoleon the last ridley scott movie we saw which may not have been the last movie he did no but it was very recent i mean i think i liked napoleon more than a lot of other people But this is probably better. But also, like, being Gladiator 2, it's like, I kind of wish I loved this. Yeah, right, right, right.

Napoleon was strange. It was strange. Did it have some rewrites by Paul Thomas Anderson or something? Napoleon? Yeah. Oh, my God. Maybe it did. That would explain some of the weird dialogue. Who told you that? I think I read it somewhere. You're not allowed to hear that. That would explain that part where Napoleon goes, you think you're so great because you have boats. That's the best line in the movie.

But I would agree. I saw somebody say that this Gladiator 2 doesn't have anything like action-wise as exciting as the scene on the ice in Napoleon where the troops are on there and then Napoleon. Yeah, that was, yeah. But then again.

You think you have boats. All the action sequences in Napoleon were just Napoleon going. Point at that. You point at that. I have more cannons. Which is what he did in real life. Paul Thomas Anderson did help rewrite Napoleon. Hell yeah. So there you go. I knew it actually. Yeah. That's good.

Anyway, in terms of... Secret rewrites to soothe Joaquin Phoenix, apparently. Gotta soothe that guy. He'll leave your movie in a heartbeat. He will, even two days before it's due to start or whatever. He'll make a bad Joker movie for you. That's right. Anyway, spoilers, yeah. What's his name? It's Lucius. It's Maximus' son. That's correct, yes. Which is sort of a retcon. I mean, in the last movie it said that they had a relationship, Rusty Crowe and Connie Nielsen.

And in this, it's just said that he's a real father. Uh-huh. Which would mean he, I don't know, maybe he cheated on his wife or was before he got married or whatever. But I know Russell Crowe is not a fan of that. He's like, it's not in the honor of Maximus. Yeah, right, right, right. To root around. To root around. But I also think that like. It was an era where, like, he wasn't a perfect man. Root around Rusty doesn't. He doesn't respect that. He wasn't a perfect man.

And I think that's not out of character if he did root around. Sure, yeah. You know? Yeah, it was a done thing. It was a done thing. People did it. That's right. Yeah. I think, yes. Because that would suggest, because the kid is like 12 when, at the end of Gladiator, which would suggest the rooting around happened.

12 years prior to the events of Gladiator. So in like the 90s. In the 90s? Or in the late 80s even. Oh my God, 88 probably. Yeah, probably 88. Yeah. Probably at Expo 88. It probably was. That reveal wasn't much of a reveal. Again, because they did it in the trailer. They did it in the trailer, yeah. And whatever. But he had the spirit of his father in him or something. And the armor. Yeah. I think it also would have been interesting if they went, no, you're not Maximus' father, but...

son or whatever, but you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can still do a gladiator for us. Yeah. Your father's actually Luke Skywalker. Whoa, that's way better. Yeah, that's right. Because he can do a flip. Yeah. And he left you this. Oh, my God. Oh, this is going to be really easy to defeat the Roman Empire now. Kill that rhino again. Yeah. Just cut it through the middle, Mason. Right? Slice it. Oh, they wouldn't know what to do.

I think, yeah, so there is the element of revolution in this where they want to restore Rome, et cetera, and then they get captured. Again, I think Pedro Pascal's character was really interesting in that respect where he was just sick of it and he's like, okay, I'm going to go along and...

And then I think that's also, that's an interesting relationship between him and Lucius though, that he's the one who indirectly got his wife killed, but they both have a common interest. Yes. The mother character. And they don't like Rome much, maybe. Or they think it's a dead dream or something. Maybe don't live in Rome, then, idiots. Stop coming back to Rome. I also loved... I didn't have the actor's name, but it's here. Timothy McKinnon-y.

who's the senator who's addicted to gambling. Oh, yeah. That's fun, yeah. He's Captain Darling in Blackadder. Oh, yeah, right. Yes, he is, yeah. And Lord Percy. Yes. He's in every era of Blackadder, I think. Yeah.

And he's in Notting Hill. It's true. It's a good movie. It's true. But I always liked seeing him. Yeah. I did think it was like, yeah. So in terms of when I said the villainous turn, so you see like Denzel Washington wheeling and dealing throughout this until he basically ascends to like. become the head of Rome very briefly. There's a moment where I thought he stabbed both of the brothers.

It's kind of made unclear where he gets one to turn on the other and then he kills one of them and the insane one is left behind. But did the subsequent scene where the second brother's still alive, did that clue you in that he was still alive?

He was alive, the second brother? The one that wasn't standing. Oh, yeah, no, then I knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The subsequent scenes of the movie where one of them was still alive. And he made a monkey, the president or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I remember that. Yeah, that definitely helped. But then there's a moment where they're in the arena.

And Connie Nielsen's character is going to get executed. And before he runs out, he just like shoots her with a crossbow. Yeah. Just like... just quickly just before i i run out of here yeah i'll just yeah i'll just do this just now and i thought that was it felt really kind of i'd felt like uh it did it feel to you like as odd as the audience we would

if he didn't do that, would still love Denzel too much? Yeah, maybe. Because in a way, it's the same thing that I think Marvel movies do a lot, and Marvel shows and et cetera, where you like the villain too much, so they're like, well, just blow up a school. You know what I mean? it's that thing of like it because at the end of course it has to end with you know it's going to end with uh you know the battle between sword fighting a river exactly um but at this but at that point

Denzel has basically been like, well, I was wronged by the Roman Empire. I was made a slave. I've worked my way up and now I've killed the two brothers that we all hate. I'm going to bring down this awful empire. It'd be like... Good. Good. You guys should team up. Yeah. But then he's like, well, I'll just kill Connie Nielsen. You might be right. But also it didn't seem to really add too much to his rage or his sadness. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. I do like my mum.

Yeah. I did like her, actually. Yeah, when he's on the, because he is there to rescue her on the float where she has been tied up. Yeah. And she gets shot, like, inches from him. And he's just like, oh. Yeah. Huh. Boo. Well. Save me some time. Don't have to undo these bonds here. Nah, man. I'll chase this guy into a river, cut his hand off, give him a big stab, and bring Rome together, et cetera. That's right.

Yeah, I don't know. It just felt a little, I don't know, a little off. And then at the end, he's like, he prays to his mother and father. And you're like, oh, is Rusty Crow going to come back from the afterlife as a blue ghost? No. But what if he did?

Lucy, it's me, your dad. Get in this time portal. We're going to go assassinate Archduke France Ferdinand. What? Yeah, that's right. World War I has to happen. Is that good? Yeah. What? Yeah, we're going to have a bloody good time. All right. Let's go. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, this is also going to lead into a sequel, it seems. But before we talk about that, they took out Denzel Washington kissing a man. He's like, I kissed a dude. They took it out of the movie. Why didn't they put that in? They also cut out, unless I'm imagining it.

Wasn't this movie going to have Mae Kalamawi, who was the woman in Moon Knight? Yes. So she is in this in the background. Is she? Yeah, no, apparently she is still in it. But no, not as that. She looks like an extra. Right. Yeah. Yeah, because she's not in, I'm looking at the Wikipedia page, she's not on it, but I remember at the time thinking, oh, yeah, she's that main role, but I guess no. She's that main role, you said to yourself. She's that main role. Yeah. Well, there you go.

I don't know, man. But anyway, in terms of a sequel, uh, this is a, uh, this is by a premiere or it was at the premiere. I don't know. Uh, that was Paul Mescal. I'm like, what are you doing? You're going to do gladiator three? Uh-huh. Glad three eight. Glad three eight.

And he said, no, seriously, I've lit the fuse. The ending of Gladiator Tour is reminiscent of The Godfather, with Michael Corleone finding himself with a job he didn't want and wondering, now, Father, what do I do? So the next will be about a man who doesn't want to be where he is.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, assuming this does well. Yeah. There were a lot of people in my cinema. It is going well. Yeah. This is drawing people in. I think it'll do well. Yeah. It wasn't a full cinema. It was certainly, you know. Would you use the word respectable? I would say there was a very respectable amount of people there for a Sunday afternoon. About six people left.

okay like what i don't know like throughout the movie like like five minutes there's a moment in the there was a moment actually i really liked in this before we really knew about the character like pedro pascal's character there's a moment where um They're invading the town, the first town that they're going to take over. And the enemy is firing the flaming catapults. And there's a moment where the...

It hits one of the boats and all the slaves underneath their oars. They get incinerated. And then it cuts to Pedro Pascal smiling like, this is going very well. And I was like, oh, okay, that's the kind of movie this is. It's kind of like they don't care about the little people kind of thing. And yeah, that was happening. And I'm like, this is good stuff. And it was like...

four teenagers in front of me and they're like, I don't want to watch this anymore and they just left. What? And I'm like, and then sort of midway through another couple of people left. I'm like, what kind of movie did you think this was going to be? Gladiator. Were you like, well, this is just a remake of Gladiator. I don't want to watch it again. That's what you were doing. That's what I was doing. You were saying to everybody. Yeah, that's right. That is wild.

Also, he spoke to Variety and he said, I don't think it'll be like 24 years. Who said this? Paul Meskel about the next one. But I have no idea when it will be. So, yeah. Maybe 25 years. Yeah, before Ridley Scott dies. Yeah, 20... In a month? Whoa. 20... That seems pretty healthy, actually. 2050.

Ridley Scott. I think he's like 86. He's 86. God damn. Look at him go. Yeah. He made Prometheus and Alien Covenant and also the original Alien. I don't know if you remember that. And Blade Runner. I remember all of those things. Yeah, man. Movies. Matt Lucas is in this from Little Britain. Yeah, he is. Okay. Pretty cool. Okay. Pretty cool.

Okay, is that it though? I think that's it. I loved all the costumes also. Oh yeah. God, so many flowy robes, different colours. Yeah, you like that? All the bloody, all the Denzel's robes, I'll tell you what. I don't know if they were like... It was very opulent. Well, I was going to say, you know...

If they were like, you're a wheeler deal, you're going to need the opulent robes. Or if he was just like, I'm Denzel, I'm going to have some opulent robes. Some goddamn opulent robes. So good. Yeah, I agree. All right, Mason, let's get out of here. Even the Emperor's robes. I said, all right, Mason. I mean, they probably all had...

Syphilis in them. Yeah. So you wouldn't want to touch them. But let's get out of here. Yeah, let's get out of here. All right. Let's go to the next segment of the show. Okay. What is it? It's what we're reading. Yep. What are we going to read? Yep. I'm doing nothing. What are we reading?

What have you been reading? Is it The Penguin? I have been reading The Penguin. Should we talk about The Penguin? But people will be upset if we don't talk about it enough. Yes, but I could talk about some other stuff. All right, so let's not talk about The Penguin. No, let's definitely talk about The Penguin. Okay.

Should we talk about that penguin? No, we'll talk about it now. Okay, yeah, yeah. Talk about it now. It was incredible. Good show, right? Where was Batman, though? That's a great question, isn't it? Shouldn't he turn up and punch the penguin? I think he was probably scared of the penguin. Also, he did recently get shot.

That's true. He's probably taken some time to recover. Yeah. Were you expecting him to show up even though they said that he wasn't going to show up? No. I think this show deliberately avoided any other references, but I...

People on the internet have speculated there were some other comic book references that got taken out. The Jonathan Train? Yes, exactly, yeah. But I think, you know, I think the idea behind this was to prove it could be done without... endless references to the previous thing and also i think it was pretty much a triumph in having a a genuinely unlikable protagonist who remains unlikable and in fact it gets worse yes yeah but you can still

enjoy the whole thing because i think you know there is there is a thing that is is happening recently in fiction and tv series and comic books and fanfic and all sorts of stuff and video games or what have you where where people have got the idea that a character shouldn't be flawed like a main character shouldn't be flawed they should or if they are just because of this thing that happened exactly yeah but but you know this this is a series about a guy who is unrepentantly

In it for himself. And then you flash back and you're like, oh, this will give some insight into why he's like this. Like, oh no, he was just...

It's just always pretty, you know, he got a parking ticket one time and he's like, well, I better kill both my brothers. Yeah. I guess we're doing spoilers. We're doing spoilers for this, I think, yeah. But I mean, you know, if you've got... max or in australia if you've got bonge.com uh then you can you can definitely watch this it's out there for you and every episode's out there yeah um

great cast you know we've talked we've talked about this but you know the the you know the idea that originally colin farrell was just going to be colin farrell yeah but then they did a makeup test and he looked great as yeah the you know sweating away in this thing like the skin on it yeah and the fact that it's a full body yeah i imagine less so when

He's clothed. Oh, yeah. He's like padded up. But there's obviously, there was a version where he's naked sometimes and it's kind of. Yeah, the penguin penis. You know about this? No. Oh, maybe I talked about when I was on the tour, Mason, when I went to Europe. Oh, yes. But they gave him a little, because there's a scene where he's naked and they gave him a little.

Penis with a little beak on the end. Like a penguin, apparently. Okay, that's true. Like a penguin would have. Like a penguin has. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Colin Farrell's great. Kristen Malotti.

is great as you know yeah a woman who was not the hangman until everybody accused her of being the hangman and then she's like i'll be the best hangman that i could possibly be actually so incredible in everything just phenomenal yeah um probably will turn up in other batman related things i'd imagine yes she's a now the head of

a couple of crime families it would say yeah you had a run at it i guess yeah yeah just phenomenal just i wonder if the thing again we're in full spoiler mode yeah so because you know at the end it's revealed that when she was in prison yeah uh she you know she was mostly Completely alone. Or not in prison. It was prison, mental asylum, et cetera. Yeah.

But she did get a letter from Selina Kyle. Yeah. So is that going to lead into the Batman part two? Maybe. Or are we going to save that for a subsequent thing? Yeah. You know, a team up between the two lovely ladies of Gotham. They are sisters, yeah. What do you think about John Turturro being replaced? I mean, he was busy. He was busy. He said he wanted to do it because he didn't like the idea of the violence against women aspect, but it was also a bit in the Batman.

He chokes Salina Kyle to death. Well, maybe he didn't like that after that. Maybe he didn't like it. That's okay. You're allowed to change your mind. But Mark Strong takes over. Oh, I thought he did a really good job, but I think it would have been nice to have Turturro. Yeah. Shades is in this as the Scarecrow. So that's Theo Rossi who was Shades in Luke Cage. Yeah. And people have said...

Well, there's two notes to this. I saw people on the internet say, why would you get that guy if he's not going to be somebody, i.e. be a notable comic book character or a supervillain or something, et cetera. And I would say, first of all, Even a superhero show or a supervillain show needs, you know, mundane, regular human being characters. So why not get a guy who's worked in this sort of stuff before, knows how it works, he's good at it, he's compelling. But also...

So supposedly the rumor is, and I didn't go back to watch this, but in episode four, there's a scene in his offices and supposedly you can see on his desk. what looks like a scarecrow mask and a scarecrow syringe glove akin to the one that the scarecrow wears in the arkham games and so supposedly it's that this character as a psychiatrist was originally

The actor was originally cast as Jonathan Crane, but I guess they were like, and I completely understand this. If that is true, it's understandable that they wanted to pull back from that.

Because otherwise you're also there going, when's he going to put the mask on? When's he going to do it? Blah, blah, blah. Is he going to get his own TV show? Are we going to team up with the Penguin? Blah, blah, blah. And again, they could very easily just say he's working under an assumed name. He is Jonathan Crane. Yeah. They could make him.

a scarecrow later if they wanted to i also suspect even though it's been 2008 15 years 16 years uh that people are probably people still probably like we just got a scarecrow Oh, maybe, yeah. Kind of thing, you know? And we didn't just get a penguin, did we? No. We've had a penguin since Danny DeVito. Exactly. So I suspect people, they're probably like, we'll give that character a rest. Yeah. Probably. Who else is good in this?

God, let's look at this car. Oh, he's a little sidekick guy. Oh, yeah. Again, speaking of, because his name's Vic. Yeah. And a lot of people are like, oh, does that mean Victor Zazz? Does that mean Victor Freeze? Is he going to turn? No, it turns out he's just a dead guy now. Yeah, he's just a guy that. He's just a guy that.

that tried his best in a bad situation. Just wanted to be a good The Penguin. Yeah, just to, you know... make it out of make it out of the horrible neighborhood that you know that he lived in that was destroyed and you know make something of himself and then he sacrificed and he does he does it all yeah and he and he helps you know he he helps out and he lies and he cheats and he

hides bodies and he shoots a guy and all this sort of stuff and he you know gives up on this girl that he likes because he wants to yeah you know make something himself and support his friend of the penguin and what's he get out of it choke to death that's right yeah

For real? For real? For good forever? I think he's dead, yeah. It was brutal. It was really difficult to watch. I thought Deirdre O'Connor... There's a small chance. Yeah, I guess. It doesn't feel like it's that kind of show. No, it doesn't. It feels like he'd come back like... Salamanca in Breaking Bad, like in a wheelchair with a bell. Yeah, maybe. Or maybe he'll come back as Victor Fruz. He might. Maybe he'll come back as Mr. Fruz, I don't know.

Deirdre O'Connor plays the older Francis Cobb who's – so he's Oz Cobb. He's Oz Cobb, yes. So his mother who – Obviously raised him and knew he was a psychopath from a very early age. And like, let's use this. Incredible performance. Or both of them because there's a younger version of her as well. And the kid who plays the penguin, God, I don't have his name in front of me either, but he was.

phenomenal as a little oz cob and just as i mentioned earlier in the start of this just the idea because when we talked about you know, recently we talked about the first couple of episodes when they came out and you think, you know, initially you look at this character of the penguin and you go, okay, well, you know, he's, he's got a, you know, he's got a, he's got a bad leg and, you know, he's got the scars on his face and he kind of.

he's too proud to admit that he has you know that he's not you know that he's different from anybody else and yeah you know and you think you're better than me exactly and you you see him do like small acts of kindness like buy vicar sandwich or whatever or give people in his neighborhood money or what have you. Yeah.

And he's got some relatable stuff and you go, okay, this guy actually isn't so bad. Worked his way up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then over the series of episodes, like your opinion drops of him. Yeah. Your estimation of him drops very significantly. I think Colin Farrell said it.

interview by the last episode you'll hate him yeah and i was like do you mean that by the standards of like again like a spider-man or what have you where you go oh he didn't respect his mother or whatever or like he's not an absolute golden boy so you'll hate him yeah but no it's just horrible yeah That's right. He's horrible. And I think it's not so much. He doesn't get worse. He's just like that. You just find out more about it as you go. Yeah.

And sort of him and Sophia have sort of parallel stories, I guess, in their youth, in that they're both... To some degree products of their family. Yes. And like they're, you know, just trauma upon trauma heaped upon them. Yeah. And they both turned out great. They're fine. Yeah. They're fine and good. They're fine. I did like how she killed her whole family. It was fun, wasn't it? That was cool and fun.

Would you recommend The Penguin to me? Given that you've already seen it? Yeah. And now our opinions seem to be about the same? Yeah. Yes, I would. Check it out. Thanks. That's good. What else have you been doing? I watched Godzilla Minus One Minus Color. Have you seen that? No, I haven't. It's on Netflix. Black and white? It's black and white. But I think it's not just they've just flipped it to black and white. I don't know how they do it, James. What does that mean, though?

There's a richness to it? There is a richness to it. There's a rich in a life. Yeah. It looks like an old-timey movie. Okay. Like when we watched original Godzilla. Granular? Yes. Okay. There was also apparently some... discussion about the entire thing was going to be in black and white except for his atomic breath. It would have stayed blue. Oh, that would have been fun. But they didn't do that. It's just all black and white. It's looking good. Yeah, so they...

It's a great movie. The director's making the next one. That's correct. Okay. Well, would you recommend that? Even though I have seen it, but not that version? Yes, I would. Okay, cool. Very much so, yes. I watched the movie Wolves the other week. Now, so is this an Apple TV exclusive? An Apple TV exclusive.

Money Laundering Escape. Yes. So this is John Watts who directed all of them. Spider-Mans. All the new Spider-Man movies. And it's George Clooney and Brad Pitt. And they're two Mr. Wolves from... Pulp fiction. Pulp fiction. Is that why they're called wolves in this? No, I don't think so. There's no explanation. You know what? There might be. Okay. Good foreshadowing of what you think of this movie. Yeah, it's not dreadful. Okay, great. But it really coasts on like...

These are cool guys. You want to see these guys talk and banter? Yes. For a bit. Okay. But I don't think there's really, it really leans into that and it's not compelling enough. Oh. And like, I don't like those guys together as much as I think. that the movie thinks that you should yeah right it's not it's not they're not bad they do have good chemistry but they really like it's a lot of just like

Ocean's Eleven style kind of. Love Ocean's Eleven style. I know, but it's not. It's a shame. It doesn't have that kind of. No, that's right. I mean, there hasn't been one of those since Ocean's Eleven. So they kind of took that element of like those fun little conversations and they made it into this movie. And there was a narrative of them.

disposing of a body and they got to do this cleanup job together and there's shootouts and whatever but there's no real kind of I don't know the story is just kind of whatever and it meanders and they're kind of wandering around the city and just bickering about different ways to dispose of bodies or do certain things in what contacts they have and because they do the same job and they're like well i do it better and whatever yeah uh-huh um

Again, it's not dreadful, but it's pretty flat. Yeah, great. But everybody got paid a lot of money. Yeah, so that's what I like about it. Something that I haven't read, but I'm looking forward to reading. Listener of the show, Ryan Smallman. Who's an artist. Who's done some fun weekly planet bits and pieces. He did a very nice Robert Battenbat.

piece of art. Oh, delightful. But anyway, his first comic book has come out. He's done the full art for Arcbound on Dark Horse Comics. Damn! Written by, get this, Scott Snyder and Tom Hardy. Damn! The Tom Hardy. I know who Tom Hardy is. Arcbound? Arcbound. A-R-C-B-O-U-N-D. Written by Scott Snyder and Frank Thierry with character development by Tom Hardy. What does that mean? I don't know.

But all the interior arts by Ryan Smallman, who's got a great, just a great stylized art look. Like it's unmistakably this guy. Oh, this is good stuff, man. Right? Is this out? This is out now, yeah. You can get a copy. You can get a bloody copy. Awesome. Right? Anyway. Looks like it's Space Adventures. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. It's Space Adventures. Beyond that, I don't know. I think there's some sort of galactic empire.

But yes, good-looking, some real good-looking dynamic art, and I'm excited for it. This is not a sponsored post, by the way. He emailed in to say... Yeah, this is a... The email man just emailed to say, would we accept money for this? And yes, we would. Yeah, we would. Yeah. But this is a pre-email before. You know what? Let's put in letters. Let's put in letters. I'm going to do letters. All right. Let's do letters.

Let's do letters. Do you want to do the theme? I could do the theme and then we'd be in the letters segment, wouldn't we? I think we could. No, it would be just terrific. The classic one was... I'm just buying this right now. I've just bought it on Kindle. I want to see you back. A couple of bucks. $350. Is that too much? This is an email from Ryan who says, I forgot to Easter egg.

Hey, mates, long-time listener Ryan Smallman here. Just wanted to write in and say my new sci-fi comic is out through Dark Horse Comics called Arcbound. Yeah, we know. Yeah, man, we got it. Written by Scott Snyder, we know. Frank Thierry and Tom Hardy, we know. Actor Tom Hardy. We get it. With artwork by yours truly, it's my first ongoing comic series, so I was eager to sneak in a Weekly Planet Easter egg, but it totally slipped my mind.

I thought about pulling a James Gunn and saying there's a super hidden one, regardless to make people search for it indefinitely, but I just forgot. I'm drawing later issues now, so I'll be sure to include one. Any suggestions? Oh, I don't know. I mean, surprises? I don't know. I don't want to ruin anything. What about just a full splash page? Yeah, just us. Two pages, just us. We're doing a podcast. We're just doing a podcast in like a space podcast studio. Yeah.

In the space station. In the space station. It's two full pages. Are we dressed in space stuff? No, we're dressed in like t-shirt and jeans. That is how we would dress. Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah, let's do that. Yeah. Check out ARC Band. We will and we have. We're going to do it. Yeah, that's right.

I wonder how Tom Hardy got involved. Might be a movie-related thing. Might be a movie-related thing. I don't know. You know, Keanu Reeves is always doing a berserker, et cetera. He's doing a berserker. He has a new-ish novel out with a guy called a novel. With a guy called China Mievel who does like weird, it's just called weird fiction. It's like sci-fi fantasy set in odd worlds. He's done all sorts of.

stuff that I enjoy. Yeah, okay. But I don't know what this one's about, but I should get it. I'll check it out. Check it out, James. Mason, I've got a shout out here. Oh, yeah. I've got this. I'm going to read this out if you don't mind. I don't mind at all. It says, a massive congratulations to Harry.

for achieving full registration as a teacher. Harry shows all the qualities of a truly great teacher, patience, creativity, dedication, and ability to connect with his students. Oh, yes. As someone who used to be a teacher, all those things were important. Oh, yeah, okay. I did probably two of those.

He consistently goes above and beyond to support them, which is no small feat. As a lover of pop culture and all things The Weekly Planet, it's only fitting that we officially crown Harry as the primary school teacher of the podcast, replacing James. Yeah, fair. Yeah. You haven't claimed it at all. No, I don't want that. Harry, you're a legend. Well done on the awesome achievement. And also I just want to add, oh, and if you're Harry and you're thinking, oh, is this me?

Well, if you think this might be you when you're Harry and you did your teacher registration, think about this. Are you a year six teacher? Are you doing Movember? Do you work with somebody who sees, and you go see all the movies that they can't be bothered seeing because they don't have the time, and then you tell them?

about them are you that person do you work with my brother are you that person then that's the person that this is referring to that's great yeah but if you're not that that's not for you but if you are that guy this is for you and congratulations congratulations yeah man if that's you yeah But if it's not, disregard. Statistically speaking, it's probably like half a dozen people. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Here's an email from Sammy. Sammy.

Hi James and Maso. After having watched and been blown away by Pantheon on Amazon Prime, I was wondering if there was a cancelled show or movie that you think made a successful comeback. Or made a successful comeback. Oh, I've done the opposite. You told me the other thing. I read the opposite.

Pantheon having been cancelled by AMC after one season, then Prime pricking it up for its second and final season. I don't know. That's pretty rare, isn't it? It does happen. That did happen in Community, right? Happened in Arrested Development. It did happen in Arrested Development. That's, yeah.

I haven't watched that last season of Arrested Development. Fair enough. I watched the... No, me neither. Because there was the three... Futurama. There was the three that everybody loved of Arrested Development. Then there was the fourth one, Maria Bamford was in, that was like, it was all out of...

It was all in a strange order. Yeah. And then I didn't watch this last season. No, me neither. Yeah. What else came back? See, I read this as what. You love Family Guy and that came back. I do love Family Guy. And it came back. It's been consistently the same. See, I read this as, is there a cancelled show movie that you would love to come back? And my answer was going to be Glow. Oh, Glow's great. I would say Hannibal. Oh, yeah. Freaks and Geeks.

Even freakier, even geekier. Geekier, yeah. And you love James Franco. And I love James Franco, who died. Oh, so he'd be dead in the series as well. Yeah, he'd be dead in the series. Entourage. Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. Bring it back. Ballers? Ballers. Why wouldn't there be another Entourage movie? They brought back sex in the city. They can't bring back Entourage. That's wild, isn't it? For us.

Did the Sex and the City movies do well? They did, but the second one's bad. Like, it's really bad. And people, all I did, I played a podcast on it. And just like that, it does well. It does numbers. Okay, but nobody likes it. Yeah, a lot of people don't like it. It's interesting, right? Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. I mean, that's the...

But that's the key, isn't it? Because as we just talked about, Gladiator 2 seems to be doing well. Gladiator 2. And I think it's a lot of people who have fond memories of the original and they'd be like, we're on to a winner here. So the very specific alchemy of what...

even if it was no good, something, an old thing that you remember. Like maybe there's some sort of test you can do where you go, like you go, name all of Carrie's boyfriends or whatever, and if they can remember them. I'll do it. Then. Burger. Big. Aiden. Jazz man. That sailor who came in very briefly. The mayor who wanted her to pee on him. Baryshnikov. Baryshnikov. Yeah.

Anyway, but that's the key. Like if people remember key details, then that's the thing you can. Like, I mean, name all of the Entourage Boys. You can't do it. Turtle. E. Second Turtle. Johnny Drama. Cars. That's so true. Babes. Babes. Hell yeah. Vinny Chase. Hayley Joel Osford. Scott Cairn for a moment. Even hotter babes. Hotter babes. Ari Gold. That guy that Ari Gold works with who's gay and Ari Gold's always... He's always like, you're gay and Chinese. Yeah. And that's funny. That is funny.

That time they all rode bikes. Yeah. That's one of the entourage guys. Yeah. That kid that they were like, you're so cool. All the other kids make fun of you, but we're going to come to your party. And we'll say you're cool. So you're cool. So you're in the entourage. We're 37. We're coming to your party. Yeah. All those guys. Aquaman.

Aquaman. James Cameron. He's in the Entourage. He's in Entourage. Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg. Wahlbergers. God. Yeah. Good movie. Sam Witwicki from Transformers. He'd be in the Entourage. He would be in it, wouldn't he? Yeah, he would. God. Sam Witwicky. I don't know, man. That of all people. I don't know. Because I thought of Mark Wahlberg. Yeah, I guess so. And I thought who's the next worst character in the Transformations. Oh, yeah. I can see a line of thought now. Yeah.

Mason, this is from the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates group. Oh, yeah, if you do want to reach the show, hashtag WeeklyPlanetPod on Twitter, I guess. I don't really look at it anymore. But WeeklyPlanetPod at gmail.com or get in the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates Facebook group and leave it. I try to do a weekly post.

This is from Cameron Watson who says, what movie are you most looking forward to in 2025? And Max Cross said, if you could pick one movie in 2025 to watch, what would it be? I asked this in 2016 and you guys said Suicide Squad. So be careful. Okay, if I had to pick one movie next year. Go on. It's Superman. I don't care if it's terrible. Yep. That's the one I have to see. I am so excited for a new Superman movie.

And I just want it to be really good. And if it's not, I don't know what I'm going to do. I think, yeah, I think the. I'm going to say Superman 2. Yeah, probably. Superman 2 is already out, so you should say Superman James Gunn's one. Nice. Woo! I think James Gunn's track record for making stuff that I like, not necessarily that is.

That does huge numbers. Sure. I think it's almost certainly going to be Superman, right? Yeah. Yeah. Any Thunderbolts? Yeah, I'm excited. But I mean, I kind of, yeah, I kind of think that that's not going to. blow me away in terms of you know what it is yeah i know exactly what it is i pretty much you know there's maybe one or two big revelations to be had like some surprises in the cinema but i don't think i'm gonna be

I don't think I'm going to be like edge of my seat, like it's really happening kind of thing. But a Superman movie that I've always thought about, I think this might be the one. What about Dead Reckoning? The Last Reckoning? Final Reckoning. Avatar 3. He's my woodpeak, but I'm picking Superman. Is Apatite 3 next year? Yeah. Huh.

Here's one. Mickey 17, I really want to see. But I would pick Superman over that. Yeah, I think I'd also pick Superman. How many Spum movies are next year? There's none. No Spum. No Sony Pictures, Universal Marvel movies. Fantastic Four, I guess. No, it's just Superman. I'm not saying it's going to be the best. But all I am saying is that's the one that I would say. God.

Good stuff, Mason. Yes. Got another letter or whatever? Got one more email right here from Renault. Renault? Like the car? It says, probably stupid question. All right, we'll see. How did ideas in fandom circulate before the internet? Hi, James and May. So, I was born in 2001, so by the time I was old enough to use a computer of my own volition, the internet was firmly established with Facebook and YouTube and such.

You two have discussed infamous comic storylines like the Clone Saga several times over the years. The impression I get is that the Clone Saga isn't just considered stupid and bloated and generally bad now, but was at the time as well. I sincerely don't get how that would have worked. I kind of get how film discourse would spread because literally everyone watches movies. There were TV shows dedicated to film criticism with something slightly more niche.

like comics or video games. How did conversations escape specific friend groups or comic shops to form a cultural consensus without the internet to facilitate it? Kind regards and idiot to Zuma. So thank you for your email. I think that's a very reasonable question. Yeah. It does feel like, in hindsight, this amorphous, unknowable kind of... It's like when Keaton got Batman and they got inundated with letters.

Yeah, right. Just independently of people being like, we fucking hate this. I mean, I think the – I mean, I also – we, I think, when we came on board with things, there wasn't – What does that mean? Well, you know, when we were like – It sounds like we did a crime. We did a crime.

But I think... Your Honour, when we came on board with things, it was simply an importing and exporting of electronic components. We didn't expect anything. We didn't know. We didn't know what was going to happen. We didn't know we were doing a nose arc, all right? Yeah, right? God. We didn't know there was cocaine in all them computer chips. We had early internet. Yeah, true. When I was kind of becoming more aware of this stuff. But I think it was just word of mouth.

before that right and like comic groups and clubs and i don't think there was there any i don't i never i never remembered a comic club well see here's the thing i thought that as well but then i remembered well we didn't have comic clubs but also nobody talks in a comic store Yeah. Maybe they used to. I don't know if they ever did. Because that was where you get you out? Yeah. Because you can go online. I also kind of wonder if it was maybe a sort of group hallucination in the sense that.

Oh, we all remember it that way, but that's not... But, I mean, you'd read... you maybe you'd read a comic book storyline was really great or really bad and you would talk to your friends about maybe that because i had a few people in high school and we all read comic books and stuff like that so we'd talk about i know all those dorks yeah of course you do and they're doing great um But I think you probably talked about that, and then years later...

you would read the discourse on the internet and you were like, yeah, I was part of that discourse, but you really weren't. No, you weren't at all, yeah. Like everybody probably had the same thought at the time. Yeah. It's just it couldn't reach across. Also potentially.

Because I liked comic books so much in the era, I'd read like Wizard Magazine, which is like the comic book. Yeah, I mean, that's part of it, right? And people would email in and there would be like editorials about comic books and like...

Well, the best storylines and the worst storylines of the year or what have you, or like here's some big mistakes Marvel made or something like that. I think that probably might have been. Yeah. And there were also letters columns in comics, which I don't really do as much. Letters collings, Robert collings. That's so true, isn't it?

So I don't know. I'm leaning towards group hallucination. Yeah. That we only, we only really discuss. So like you read a thing, you'd be like, this is in summary. Yes. I didn't like that. Like the clone saga. And then years later on the internet, that the clone saga was bad. And you're like, I, yeah.

We all knew that at the time. We all talked about it. We were all saying it, weren't we? We all were saying it. That's interesting, though. But I think there was clubs and whatever. Yeah, I think so. But I think it was more disparate. And there were conventions, et cetera. Yeah, there were conventions. I don't know. It was definitely less connected. You didn't, from what I vaguely remember, because I'm not, I was also born in 2001. So, yeah. But, yeah, I don't know, man.

It's interesting. I think I have to think about that, to be honest. I don't remember. It was also a thing that I remember every once in a while. They were called news groups, and it wasn't quite the internet. I think you could log in with your email browser, and it was just like forums. You'd go to alt.comics.marvel or something, and you'd click and everybody would be talking about, this would have been like...

Early 2000s, maybe. But that's not, there was internet then. Yeah, there was internet. So why would that be? I don't know. There was something awful then. Also, I can't remember why that existed then and how it stopped. I think maybe Google, I don't know. Stomped it? God, old people remembering things.

My goodness. News groups. Email in. I do not remember that at all. I was not a part of that. Should I be? You could post a thing in a news group. I'll post it right now. I'll say I'm a podcaster. I wonder if they still exist, but the software to get to them doesn't. Like you can't just get it on your phone or whatever. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe, James. Maybe, James. Maybe, James. Give me $100. I don't want to give you $100, Mason. Damn. If you don't mind. Could you, though?

Technically, I could do a lot of things. Wow. Yeah. Wow, wow, wow. I got a letter here, Mason. Go on. It's from Mitch Doyle. He's a top contributor to the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates group. He said, hot dog versus sausage Sanger. What is the superior? processed meat bread combination. Come on, man.

It's a sausage sizzle. I agree. Sausage sizzle, which is a piece of white bread. I prefer butter, but you're probably not going to get butter out in the real world. No. And then you get a sausage on it, a cooked sausage. Not a fucking hot dog. It's a sausage cooked on a barbecue. Yeah. And then it's onions.

if you like it, or sometimes just straight up sauce or mustard if you're inclined. But you could just do bread, sausage, sauce, perfect. Correct. And don't people gussy it up with fancier sausages. No. No. Just the cheapest white bread, the cheapest sausage. That's right. The oldest barbecue you could find. Yeah. Maybe one in a park and it's just covered in...

Everybody else is greased for 20 years or whatever. They've never cleaned it. Perfect. Can't walk past one. No. And I'll eat two. Yeah. I'm doing two. If I've had lunch and I go past a... an unnamed hardware store that is having sausages at the front. I've just had lunch. I'll have two more sausages. A mitre 10. Yeah, probably a mitre 10. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll get a can of Coke. But I also don't like it.

When I think hot dogs, I always think the one, they're just red. Look at that weird skin on them. I don't like those. I do like those. No. Yeah, my kids love them as well. Oh, no, they're bad, but I like them. Oh, yuck, no. I mean, I'll have a hot dog if it's got a nicer. Speaking of an upgraded sausage. Yeah. If it's, you know, some kind of bratwurst or something, it's just I hate those. Hell yeah. I hate those red. No, nothing. No good. No good, man.

I love it. Should we end the show? Move on to the end of the podcast? Yeah, I think we should end the show. I've had enough. On us going blah. Blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Folks, thank you so much for listening. We absolutely appreciate it. How do you do it?

I'm talking in this microphone. No, how did they do it? They talked into some AirPods. They listened to their microphones. Yeah, they listened to their microphones. You better believe it. That's how it works, isn't it? It's true. Yeah. Let's see, folks. Thank you for subscribing.

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